[ 10-28-2006, 06:41 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Absolutely and know that the great Melchezidek (Sage of Salem, the founder of Jerusalem) is 100% behind Israel and its good people and Israel is deep in the heart of the great Manchaventa Melchizedek. He will fulfill his and the Paradise promise of the Father made with Abraham made 4000 years ago in Salem.

Those who seek to destroy Israel will all fail and fall as Paradise will protect and change the realities of those who perpetuate false doctrine that pits man against Israel or any man for that matter.

This goes without saying!! Also any countries that finance operations against Israel for its destruction will be severely punished through reality sequencing and its false doctrine that promotes destruction will be banished set to fail.

The words of the Father and all the prophets will fulfill itself as one voice.

All the Melchizedeks involved in the administration of the planet are looking out for the best interests of Israel. period!

The only I say for those bent of Israel's destruction is WATCH OUT!! for there realities will change.

regards
sevens

Anyway there is no reason that we should have Oil for transporatation as demonstrated in this link. Obviously this is the way forward and no doubt new models can be created to accomodate need.

http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4024172&s=Pebble2006

Also the batteries could be recharged on the run through this device on the run.

http://ancientgravitics.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/im000220.mpg

http://quantumgravitics.tripod.com/

regards
sevens

I agree if only it was that easy but regarding technology as demostrated in the above links its definately possible.

Anyway if this planet is to survive we have to make a transition now, by converting to all electric, it would have have many benefits to mankind and the planet not to mention an decrease in the cost of living and less medical bills not to mention the increase in personal liberty and freedom. I think the Oil company monopolies have made enough money out of the planet living on the gravy train thus making mankind dependant on them.

Who knows this world could be one step closer to a utopian world as intended by the Trinity of Paradise!!

Maybe all these inventors, visionaries and innovators right now are being guided for this specific purpose for the destiny of the planet as we enter in the new epoch.

sevens

[ 11-10-2006, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
 

I certainly think that 666 is the feature that pits man against man through false doctrine and other control mechanisms, to me its one aspect of the characteristic of the 666 feature as expressed in revelations. I suppose another feature of 666 is gross materialism and global monopolisation of power with the intent of domination and control riding on the backs of people, the usury concept.

Life time financial debt is one example of the 666 feature. A feature that was dealt with by the forgiveness of debt in the year of jubilees by the Isrealis/Hebrews. The Hebrews introduced that by obeying Gods word so that man would not be under lifetime debt.

Also perpetual lifetime debt through usury is forbidden in the celestial worlds and by the Israelis through the year of Jubilees only excercised the wishes of Paradise so that man would not be bogged down by some overlord like the banks controlling every aspect of his life and stressing man soul for a lifetime.

You know there are good things to be said about the Israelis who were the only ones on this planet in history who exercised this. No other race could even be bothered for his fellow man.

Yes I think 666 has all to do with the current reality we live in as expressed in revelations.

Gee look at these terrorists and what they crap on about about. Dont you think that is a 666 feature??

If they were in control of the planet the world would devolve like it did in Afghanistan with the Taliban in power. You can bet your bottom dollar that all your freedoms and rights would be gone and you would be controlled by some extreme mullah with a big stick wacking you over the head with a rod of religious discrimination and who knows nothing in real truth becuase they do no research in all the books of truth.

Would you like that? A religion conversation through brainwashing and oppression? with no respect to your feelings or opinions.

Also Atlantis rising would have to go underground.

I know every society can be improved and presidents can be corrected by the people but with Islamic shite oppression all those freedoms would be gone through oppression you would have to change your religion in order to survive.

Give me the western world any day, rather than all the false doctrine crap of oppression and suicide bombings and the stupid rhetoric and there spiritual arrogance! A mark of the 666 feature, the mark of the beast in one aspect of many that infects the world.

The world of division through hatred and anger. Man pitted against one another who are completely disobedient to the wishes of Paradise.

regards
sevens

[QUOTE] Sevens and Sophia, take the garbage elsewhere. You're embarrassing yourselves... [/QUOTE]While you say this there are plans by the terrorists to create nuclear weapons and to use against your world buddy.

I suppose you support these guys eh!

You know know one has die as things can be negotiated also what about the US soilders who are dying over there trying to prevent such a catastrophe to happen on your soil.

These terrorists are bloody serious and there not mucking around! You should know that by now! Also the twin towers is in prophecy and the nuclear option as well. Everything that is occurring is in prophecy inside and outside the bible.

Wake up buddy these people are not going listen to sweet words until there goal is accomplished.

I think you embarrass yourself by taking the soft road approach!

Why dont you try discussing these things on there forums and see what they say, then you know the Garbage you claim we speak is actually true and very real.

There intent is not to make your life a life of ease and convienience. Thats for sure!

And if the worst comes to pass well reflect upon your words then well know who is speaking Garbage then!!!

There is two targets they have in mind that is Isreal and the US! They will not stop until that is accomplished.

Gee the USA wasnt even in the Iraq where the terrorists attempted to blow up the world trade center and destroyed the 2 towers already back then! I suppose you forgot about that what makes you think they are going to stop!
 

Hi Spohia when they say from the east are they speaking of in terms of East of Isreal or Jerusalem. Is that the reference point? from which these direction are set?

I just want to say there are further Urantia Book breakthroughs and connection parallels being made as we speak.

They are linked with mythology and a another location of a very ancient civilisation from the East that has connection pre Greeks and that does originate from 1st Eden in the timeline.


regards
sevens

[ 11-16-2006, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Here is something I found about Buddhism in The Urantia Book
12. THE GOD CONCEPT OF BUDDHISM
 

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Here is something I found about Buddhism in The Urantia Book
12. THE GOD CONCEPT OF BUDDHISM
 

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Among these believers it is taught that the soul, upon experiencing death, may elect to enjoy a sojourn in Paradise prior to entering Nirvana, the ultimate of existence. It is proclaimed that this new salvation is attained by faith in the divine mercies and loving care of Amida, God of the Paradise in the west. In their philosophy, the Amidists hold to an Infinite Reality which is beyond all finite mortal comprehension; in their religion, they cling to faith in the all-merciful Amida, who so loves the world that he will not suffer one mortal who calls on his name in true faith and with a pure heart to fail in the attainment of the supernal happiness of Paradise.

The great strength of Buddhism is that its adherents are free to choose truth from all religions; such freedom of choice has seldom characterized a Urantian faith. In this respect the Shin sect of Japan has become one of the most progressive religious groups in the world; it has revived the ancient missionary spirit of Gautama's followers and has begun to send teachers to other peoples. This willingness to appropriate truth from any and all sources is indeed a commendable tendency to appear among religious believers during the first half of the twentieth century after Christ.

Buddhism itself is undergoing a twentieth-century renaissance. Through contact with Christianity the social aspects of Buddhism have been greatly enhanced. The desire to learn has been rekindled in the hearts of the monk priests of the brotherhood, and the spread of education throughout this faith will be certainly provocative of new advances in religious evolution.

At the time of this writing, much of Asia rests its hope in Buddhism. Will this noble faith, that has so valiantly carried on through the dark ages of the past, once again receive the truth of expanded cosmic realities even as the disciples of the great teacher in India once listened to his proclamation of new truth? Will this ancient faith respond once more to the invigorating stimulus of the presentation of new concepts of God and the Absolute for which it has so long searched?

All Urantia is waiting for the proclamation of the ennobling message of Michael, unencumbered by the accumulated doctrines and dogmas of nineteen centuries of contact with the religions of evolutionary origin. The hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus.

 

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I thought was an interesting prospective about Buddhism from the Urantia point of view.

Also here is a link about Asoka as mention in the UB

Asoka in the Urantia Book

Its an interesting read.

Also here is another link to Asoka

Asoka
Here is something of the Shin Sect in Japan

The Shin Sect
regards
sevens

[ 11-18-2006, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi I got to say that Im annoyed that the webmaster who took the Moses prophecy thread in the ancient mysteries section. I layed alot of research in that thread regarding my research with these discoveries.

All wasted work of an evolution of truth that is in play right now.

Thanks for nothing webmaster

Anyway here is something that I found about sevens that is embedded in the Avestan truth and relates to Brahman truth.

here is the link for anyone interested

http://logos_endless_summer.tripod.com/id214.html

It quite outstanding that the 1st Eden research and the discovery of Dalamatia submerged of the Persian gulf is connecting to current research in Iran and now that we are looking into Iranian mythology pre Islamic we are finding many connections and parallels. As an overview of the research Its the Golden Grail truth and its all connected to the tree of life as prophesied in the Book of Enoch regarding the Sevenfold truth.

Yes webmaster same goes for this thread
to Is this the "Lost city of Dalamatia" Persian Gulf.

Why do you have to take it down for??

These are the golden grails of discovery and maybe others might be interested in this research?? Just because you don't research this you don't have to take it down and keep it out of range of other researchers.

All this censorship here really craps me off!!! No different to these Islamic sites who do the same thing, who don't understand because they don't research because of there pride and prejudice.

regards
sevens

[ 11-30-2006, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

imamway site

Yes its unfortunate that there is a sublime and supernal truth coming to pass where there is a great harmonization of science and religion occurring that brings us back to our origins and because of pride, prejudice and bias all mankind and and all the religions of the world are to blind to see it.

Since I got banned the revealing of truth has not stopped but I'm afraid mankind will not see it.

The greatest losers in all of this are the ones who deny truth whoever they are! Yes and the the great mystery of God for the planet is in all the books of all the religion. Every religion has the piece of the mystery and pride prevents religion to find the mystery.

No pride or prejudice is the key that unlocks the great mystery as prophesied. Is a spiritual key or an attitude.

Man killing man whoever they are is just ridiculous no matter what religion.

Just know that the golden grail of truth is discovered or the sevenringed cup of Jamishid is found (truth) and is related to the truth of the tree of life as prophesied!

Its not a material cup but something far greater that will change the attitude of science and religion. Its a spiritual key or an harmonization! Unlike anything we see today with all the killings and murder.


regards
sevens

Somehow I think God would like all men no matter who they are to aspire to be prophets in there own way towards there fellow man in truth and peace and more importantly love and forgiveness for one another.

I feel the invitation is open to all mankind no matter what religion for mankind to work with the most highs in developing a truly advanced god ward civilisation for this planet.

Hatred, pride and prejudice only prevents man in this accomplishment.

I think God will work with anyone who sincerely loves his fellow human brother and really desires to the will of God in peace.

I don't think God will stop working with man utilizing his natural gifts and abilities in peace and love to bring about positive things in this day, age and epoch.

Love for one another will triumph above all. I'm not talking about doctrine or its differences but simple love which includes tolerance amoung all brothers of the planet.

regards
sevens

atlantis rising

Another interesting link of Sevenkh (Sevenfold and Egypt)

http://www.africawithin.com/massey/gml1_sayce.htm

from Egypt, it would probably be as the Crocodile=Dragon, the Typhonian type of both the ancient mother and her son Sevekh. The crocodile is the fish that passes the day on dry land and the night in the waters. Its name of Sevekh is identical with that of the number seven; and Ea is connected with a typical fish of seven fins (?). The crocodile, as Plutarch tells us, was a supreme type of the one God, or, as the name shows, of the seven-fold powers in one image. Sevekh was the same good demon of one Cult in Egypt that Num-Ra was in the other, but indefinitely earlier.

more there.

Here is another Sevekh (sevenfold) research

http://www.angelsuniverse.com/elohimscholars.htm

Extract

And scholarship has adduced another relevant fact in this connection. Just as the "Lord God of Sabaoth" would stand for the "Lord God of the Seven" (Sabaoth means "seven"); and as Adonai was also used to designate the whole Seven; and El was used for the Seven Elohim; so Jehovah came to stand as a collective term for the entire Seven Powers. The whole Seven were summed up under the name of one of their number, and that predominately Jehovah.

In the second chapter of Genesis Jehovah-Elohim forms man out of the dust of the ground and woman from the bone of man, Jehovah is that one God who sums up in himself the seven previous powers, precisely as they were totaled in Atum-Ra, Sevekh-Ra, Agni, or Ahura-Mazda. Jehovah is the synthesis of the Seven Elohim.

and another sevenfold link research

http://www.theosophical.ca/HebrewCreations.htm

extract
"The Tree of life and knowledge was well known in Egypt." And "whether the scene of Neb-tefa can be identified with the history of Adam or not, we can see that the greater number of the peculiar features of this history existed in Egypt--the tree of life and knowledge, the serpent of Paradise, Eve thinking of appropriating divinity to herself, and in short Adam himself, are all there." (Trans. S. Bib. Arch. v.9, pt.1., p. 180.)

Lastly here is a word search on Sevenfold in the Urantia Book.

Sevenfold

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We know that finite creatures can attain the worship experience of the Universal Father through the ministry of God the Sevenfold and the Thought Adjusters, but we doubt that any subabsolute personality, even power directors, can comprehend the energy infinity of the First Great Source and Center. One thing is certain: If the power directors are conversant with the technique of the metamorphosis of space-force, they do not reveal the secret to the rest of us. It is my opinion that they do not fully comprehend the function of the force organizers.

and the seven rishis

http://logos_endless_summer.tripod.com/id214.html

extract
The Rishis and our Dhyan Chohans, who incarnated in the Elect of the Third and Fourth Races. Thus, while in Theogony the Kabiri-Titans were seven great gods: cosmically and astronomically the Titans were called Atlantes, because, perhaps, as Faber says, they were connected (a) with At-al-as "the divine Sun," and (b) with tit "the deluge." But this, if true, is only the exoteric version. SD2 361.

Meanwhile it is they, the Seven Rishis, who mark the time and the duration of events in our septenary life cycle. They are as mysterious as their supposed wives, the Pleiades, of whom only one -- she who hides -- has proven virtuous. The Pleiades (Krittika) are the nurses of Karttikeya, the God of War (Mars of the Western Pagans), who is called the Commander of the celestial armies -- or rather of the Siddhas (translated Yogis in heaven, and holy sages on the earth) -- "Siddha-sena," which would make Karttikeya identical with Michael, the "leader of the celestial hosts" and, like himself, a virgin Kumara.

and

In The Book of Enoch these two constellations are identified as Leviathan and Behemoth-Bekhmut, or the Dragon and Hippopotamus=Great Bear, and they are the primal pair that were first created in the Garden of Eden. So that the Egyptian first (Page 196) mother, Kefa [or Kepha] whose name signifies "mystery," was the original of the Hebrew Chavah, our Eve; and therefore Adam is one with Sevekh the sevenfold one, the solar dragon in whom the powers of light and darkness were combined, and the sevenfold nature was shown in the seven rays worn by the Gnostic Iao-Chnubis, god of the number seven, who is Sevekh by name and a form of the first father as head of the Seven. [ Op.cit., pp. 19-22]

regards
sevens

[ 12-01-2006, 04:02 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Dont worry Iraq will destroy itself with a oppressive regime in the so called name of God but really we know its only about power and lust for control with bloodshed. They cant help themselves..The only people worthwhile is the Kurds in the north the rest are simply stupid!

Im sure it destined to happen.

youre right brig, they are the advanced guard working only through deception and bloodshed in the name of God they are the evil ones these days.
sevens

[ 12-01-2006, 04:15 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

This what I posted on a site which seems to be controversial.

do you think the content below is worth being banned over??
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Somehow I think God would like all men no matter who they are to aspire to be prophets in there own way towards there fellow man in truth and peace and more importantly love and forgiveness for one another.

I feel the invitation is open to all mankind no matter what religion for mankind to work with the most highs in developing a truly advanced god ward civilisation for this planet.

Hatred, pride and prejudice only prevents man in this accomplishment.

I think God will work with anyone who sincerely loves his fellow human brother and really desires to the will of God in peace.

I don't think God will stop working with man utilizing his natural gifts and abilities in peace and love to bring about positive things in this day, age and epoch.

Love for one another will triumph above all. I'm not talking about doctrine or its differences but simple love which includes tolerance amoung all brothers of the planet.
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then I posted this from this expressing fascination.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/pick/087.htm

1 Praise the name of thy Lord the Most High,

and the seventh verse

7 Save that which Allah willeth. Lo! He knoweth the disclosed and that which still is hidden;

then I found this which I thought could be a reflection to Atlantis from here

http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/pick/053.htm

50 And that He destroyed the former (tribe of) A'ad,

51 And (the tribe of) Thamud He spared not;

then this one from here
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/pick/067.htm

3 Who hath created seven heavens in harmony.(7 mansion worlds) Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in the Beneficent One's creation; then look again: Canst thou see any rifts ?




regards
sevens
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You have been banned for the following reason:
posting non-sense stuff
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

[ 12-01-2006, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi Sophia777

I laughed to! Why do they even bother when we all know the outcome of the judges of the stupid conference!!

Its quite laughable.

Gee if they saw the current research and knowledge hidden in there mythology pre islamic and the parallels and interconnection in word and with 2.5 discovered places (2 submerged and one on land but not excavated) of the ancient past they would be really be worried and full of denial.

There whole world would be turned upside down!


Urantia book link
 

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Do not overlook the value of your spiritual heritage, the river of truth running down through the centuries, even to the barren times of a materialistic and secular age. In all your worthy efforts to rid yourselves of the superstitious creeds of past ages, make sure that you hold fast the eternal truth. But be patient! when the present superstition revolt is over, the truths of Jesus' gospel will persist gloriously to illuminate a new and better way.

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Spoken by the recorder angel (A midwayer who was born in Iran!! A mystery just do search on midwayer in the book in relation to Adamson and Dalamatia and you will see what I mean. I believe the midwayers are showing themselves through the books of the past, through the UB and through the current research.)

and further down the page or paper.

 

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Even secular education could help in this great spiritual renaissance if it would pay more attention to the work of teaching youth how to engage in life planning and character progression. The purpose of all education should be to foster and further the supreme purpose of life, the development of a majestic and well-balanced personality. There is great need for the teaching of moral discipline in the place of so much self-gratification. Upon such a foundation religion may contribute its spiritual incentive to the enlargement and enrichment of mortal life, even to the security and enhancement of life eternal.

Christianity is an extemporized religion, and therefore must it operate in low gear. High-gear spiritual performances must await the new revelation and the more general acceptance of the real religion of Jesus. But Christianity is a mighty religion, seeing that the commonplace disciples of a crucified carpenter set in motion those teachings which conquered the Roman world in three hundred years and then went on to triumph over the barbarians who overthrew Rome. This same Christianity conquered--absorbed and exalted--the whole stream of Hebrew theology and Greek philosophy. And then, when this Christian religion became comatose for more than a thousand years as a result of an overdose of mysteries and paganism, it resurrected itself and virtually reconquered the whole Western world. Christianity contains enough of Jesus' teachings to immortalize it.

If Christianity could only grasp more of Jesus' teachings, it could do so much more in helping modern man to solve his new and increasingly complex problems.

Christianity suffers under a great handicap because it has become identified in the minds of all the world as a part of the social system, the industrial life, and the moral standards of Western civilization; and thus has Christianity unwittingly seemed to sponsor a society which staggers under the guilt of tolerating science without idealism, politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without restraint, knowledge without character, power without conscience, and industry without morality.

The hope of modern Christianity is that it should cease to sponsor the social systems and industrial policies of Western civilization while it humbly bows itself before the cross it so valiantly extols, there to learn anew from Jesus of Nazareth the greatest truths mortal man can ever hear--the living gospel of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man.

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All the best
sevens

[ 12-06-2006, 02:36 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hey Ideo and Jason

Thanks for bringing the thread back, Maybe I'm going blind and maybe over reacted. I appreciate it bringing back and your kind advise.

Also the lost city of Dalamatia off the Persian gulf is a sister discovery to the 1st Eden/Atlantis discovery of Cyprus and is entwined and parallel with Cyprus.

Dalamatia is a fantastic find as well and is also related to current research into the location of an ancient civilisation that built the Cyprus location. In the timeline its between Dalamatia Persian Gulf and the location Cyprus. Research at present is unlocking the truth embedded in the mythology of the Avestan and other books of legend of the region particularly in Iran and close by regions. Fragments found are reflecting a great deal and is completely guided or paralleled with The Urantia Book being the major guide in all of this.

Its a 3 prong approach with complete scientific harmonisation. The physical aspects has to be researched further but its all there in our mythology.

Its a brilliant presentation of which the Gods(midwayers) and the Father in conjunction with faith believing man could only direct and participate in.

I feel there are connections to the Golden grail myth to and its closest man has ever been about the mystery of the Golden grail, the truth! and in kind Jamishids seven ringed cup filled with the immortal elixir (tree of life)

With the Cyprus location they want to do a core sample and investigate the Acropolis Hill but its a matter of money as usual.

With all the billions spent on crappy stuff like war you would think someone with the resources would help in unlocking the planets greatest secret. But to no avail as usual.

Typical wasting money on senseless things that produce nothing at the end of the day except for self gratification of no worth. But anyway its only a matter of money, The will is there that's for sure.

It really is a 3 prong presentation of the oldest cities on the planet as is directly related to the spiritual world. Gods world.

Its part of the Tree of life knowledge (The Truth) as prophesied in the Book of Enoch.

I believe its the presentation of all presentations that have ever occurred on the planet harmonising religion and science, in word with the past and present and in the physical discovery.

All the best sevens
 

Hi is something Ive been pondering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_judgement

 

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Imam Mahdi in 373 A.H. (974 AD) near a well where the Jamkaran Mosque is now located. The Imam Mahdi was also accompanied by Al-Khidr.[1] The 12th or Hidden Imam is expected to rise from the Jamkaran well revealing himself[citation needed] and signalling completion of the age.

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With the above quote I don't think the 12 Imam will physically come out of the well. But what I do sense and I could be wrong is the possibly a revealing my coming out of the knowledge and research into Jamshid and all the truth from the very ancient regions. Perhaps this whole experience of discovery in word in all the books which leads us to Jamishid could possibly fullfill and old prophecy contained in the Avesta

It could be the catalyst or a sense of spiritual gravity may tip the scales. Im not sure but its worth a thought.

If you look into the below revelation verse you can see that when the books are opened including another book a judgement shall occur or something happens, according to Revelation. But its related to books and the interpretation of them in relation to multiple discoveries that are on going.

What if the books that have been researched and commented about are the sign of the books being open where another book which works with the old books also contains the spiritual standards of judgement based on this new book. The book of life! I believe the Urantia is the Book of life.

I believe that the new book is the Urantia Book which is the book that leads to the opening of the ancient books of priests and sages in conjunction with physical experience in discovery.

Consider that this whole experience comes from Eden and Dalamatia and other locations discovered and which harmonises in word and in the physical experience of discovery of the highest level including the highest spiritual experience.

 

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And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Rev 20:11-12)

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Surely "the Books were opened" means all the religious books of the past spanning over the ages, no matter where they come from. The other book must be the Book of the angels given to us in this age and a book that led us to greatest discoveries in word and spirit. Its all Godward in the experience of revealing in word and in discovery.

Anyway to me it seems to make sense and I am totally impressed who this harmonises.

All the best
sevens

Hi is something Ive been pondering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_judgement

[QUOTE] Imam Mahdi in 373 A.H. (974 AD) near a well where the Jamkaran Mosque is now located. The Imam Mahdi was also accompanied by Al-Khidr.[1] The 12th or Hidden Imam is expected to rise from the Jamkaran well revealing himself[citation needed] and signalling completion of the age. [/QUOTE]With the above quote I dont think the 12 Imam will physicaly come out of the well. But what I do sense and I could be wrong is the possibly of a revealing coming out of the knowledge and research into Jamshid and all the truth from the very ancient regions. Perhaps this whole experience of discovery in word in all the books which leads us to Jamishid could possibly fullfill an old prophecy contained in the Avesta

It could be the catalyst or a sense of spiritual gravity may tip the scales. I'm not sure but its worth a thought.

If you look into the below revelation verse you can see that when the books are opened another book is also opened and according to Revelation. some event occurs or something happens, But its related to books and the interpretation of them in relation to multiple discoveries that are on going in conjunction.

What if the books that have been researched and commented about are the sign of the books being opened where another book which works with the old books also contains the spiritual standards of judgement based on this new book. The book of life! I believe the Urantia book is the Book of life.

I believe that it is the Urantia which is the new book that leads us to the opening of the ancient books of priests and sages in conjunction with physical experience in discovery.

Consider that this whole experience which comes from Eden and Dalamatia and other locations discovered harmonises in word to the physical experience of discovery of the highest level including the highest spiritual experience.

[QUOTE] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; [b]and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,[/b] according to their works. (Rev 20:11-12)[/QUOTE]Surely "the Books were opened" means all the religious books of the past spanning over the ages, no matter where they come from. The other book must be the Book of the angels given to us in this age and the Urantia book filled with Sevenfold information that led us to greatest discoveries in word and spirit for mankind. Its all Godward in the experience of revealing in word and in discovery.

Anyway to me, it seems to make sense and I am totally impressed how this harmonises.

All the best
sevens

Hi

Here is another curious pice out of the Urantia Book

It has long been the opinion of our order that Machiventa's presence on the Jerusem corps of Urantia directors, the four and twenty counselors, is sufficient evidence to warrant the belief that he is destined to follow the mortals of Urantia on through the universe scheme of progression and ascension even to the Paradise Corps of the Finality. We know that Adam and Eve are thus destined to accompany their earth fellows on the Paradise adventure when Urantia has become settled in light and life.

Urantia Book link

 

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Less than a thousand years ago this same Machiventa Melchizedek, the onetime sage of Salem, was invisibly present on Urantia for a period of one hundred years, acting as resident governor general of the planet; and if the present system of directing planetary affairs should continue, he will be due to return in the same capacity in a little over one thousand years.

This is the story of Machiventa Melchizedek, one of the most unique of all characters ever to become connected with the history of Urantia and a personality who may be destined to play an important role in the future experience of your irregular and unusual world.

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In the following is information relating to the 12 Imam. Note that the 12 Imam was present on this planet in the 10 century identical of the above Urantia Book extract in the above.


 

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2. SHI'I ISLAM: The highest leader

There are several different nuances in views of the "imam" among the Shi'is, but a common assumption is that he is the leader of all Muslims, and, by extension, a leader in the world. In Twelver Shi'i Islam, imams existed only through the first centuries of Muslim history, possibly into the 10th century.

There are differences about what makes an imam an imam, and therefore who may become imam. At the time of the first imam, Ali, there was only one view, even if the imamship had not yet been defined. The original idea about the imam intends that he:

1. Be a man of direct descent of either Husayn or his brother Hassan
2. Not be a minor
3. Be sound in mind and body
4. Have competent knowledge of theology
5. Have the capacity of being a ruler

The imam is supposed to have a special relationship to God — to have something that comes close to divine powers. The imam is supposed to be the guide of the human race, in both religious as well as secular issues. Due to such expectations, there can only be one imam at a time.

and further down the link

According to the Twelver Shi'is — the largest Shi'i group — there were 12 imams, of which the last went into occultation around 941 CE and is expected back in the form of a Mahdi (a saviour character with many similarities to the Messiah in Judaism and Christianity).


 

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Hi

Here is another curious piece out of the Urantia Book


Urantia Book link

 

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It has long been the opinion of our order that Machiventa's presence on the Jerusem corps of Urantia directors, the four and twenty counselors, is sufficient evidence to warrant the belief that he is destined to follow the mortals of Urantia on through the universe scheme of progression and ascension even to the Paradise Corps of the Finality. We know that Adam and Eve are thus destined to accompany their earth fellows on the Paradise adventure when Urantia has become settled in light and life. Less than a thousand years ago this same Machiventa Melchizedek, the onetime sage of Salem, was invisibly present on Urantia for a period of one hundred years, acting as resident governor general of the planet; and if the present system of directing planetary affairs should continue, he will be due to return in the same capacity in a little over one thousand years.

This is the story of Machiventa Melchizedek, one of the most unique of all characters ever to become connected with the history of Urantia and a personality who may be destined to play an important role in the future experience of your irregular and unusual world.

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In the following is information relating to the 12 Imam. Note that the 12 Imam was present on this planet in the 10 century identical of the above Urantia Book extract in the above.


 

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Link
2. SHI'I ISLAM: The highest leader

There are several different nuances in views of the "imam" among the Shi'is, but a common assumption is that he is the leader of all Muslims, and, by extension, a leader in the world. In Twelver Shi'i Islam, imams existed only through the first centuries of Muslim history, possibly into the 10th century.

There are differences about what makes an imam an imam, and therefore who may become imam. At the time of the first imam, Ali, there was only one view, even if the imamship had not yet been defined. The original idea about the imam intends that he:

1. Be a man of direct descent of either Husayn or his brother Hassan
2. Not be a minor
3. Be sound in mind and body
4. Have competent knowledge of theology
5. Have the capacity of being a ruler

The imam is supposed to have a special relationship to God — to have something that comes close to divine powers. The imam is supposed to be the guide of the human race, in both religious as well as secular issues. Due to such expectations, there can only be one imam at a time.

and further down the link

According to the Twelver Shi'is — the largest Shi'i group — there were 12 imams, of which the last went into occultation around 941 CE and is expected back in the form of a Mahdi (a saviour character with many similarities to the Messiah in Judaism and Christianity).


 

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HI
Also note that the myth of the Golden Grail began about 1000 years ago and has definite links to Jamshid seven ringed cup containing the elixir of immortality. Both myths and legends in my view are entwined or connected in both the east and west cultures and directly related to the tree of life.

In Shia religion the 12 Imam comes out of the well of Jamshid in other words I feel the completion of this planetary mystery will end at the realisation of the Jamshids cup or the truth in completion which also completes the Golden Grail legend. and note the Seven ringed cup of Jamshid. The Sevens again I find that very curious. Again you have the Father of all creations number markings.

Im sure there is a very strong clue there.

regards

sevens

[ 12-10-2006, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi Sandra,

Your post was very enlightening Im amazed by the significants of the number sevens. It really blows me away .

Ive been doing a bit more research trying to find more connections between the religions.

Here is some more info I found according to a Islamic researcher about there idea of the Last Imam or judgment.

Note that Im looking into the Islamic world and its important that we see this without pride or prejudice. We cant afford to lift up the viel becuase of personal prejudices. If there is truth we must find it where ever it lays.
Research link

In bold is what I think is important.

 

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In this way the awaited Imam (al-Muntazar) Mad-dhi, Qaim, will prepare the earth for the Last Judgment and the Resurrection. The battle of Qa’im will mark the ultimate victory of the ‘believers’ against their ‘enemies’ and the universal and final establishment of the ‘religion’ of the imams. The community of the faithful is a familiar theme of all eschatology.

It is interesting to know that these texts imply a profound criticism of Islam as some parts of the Arab world seem to know it. The returned Mahdi will do as did the Prophet, destroying that which was before, just as the Prophet destroyed the rituals of the period of ignorance, and He will establish once again Islam. Our Qa’im will repair the Mosque and will reconstruct His Mecca. The Qa’im will bring a new Order, a new Book, a new Legislation and a New Tradition. 9

Of course the primary ambiguity of these prophecies is that they may refer to more spiritual and ethical realities or be understood as a militant call for a violent upheaval. But there are texts indicating that these prophecies do not invite the fight of Islam against other religions but rather, the fight of all religions for their inner renewal. Mahdi will equally re-establish the other religions, also abandoned and disfigured, in their original Truth and Purity.

Indeed: “The Mahdi will extract the Torah and the other Divine Books from their caverns and will judge amongst the faithful of the Evangiles according to the Evangiles, amongst the faithful of al-Zabur (The Book of David) according to the al-Zabur and amongst the faithful of the Koran according to the Koran.” 10

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The return of Mahdi I believe is not about physical battle or suicide bombings as we see in the world today but a spiritual correction where all the books of religions will be opened in conjunction with a new book which I believe its the Urantia Book which led mankind to the discovery of his origins and more. I think the above and words written about rebuilding Mecca is a metaphor for spiritual realisation of the ultimate truth.

All the best
sevens

Hi Sandra

I re read your post its just impressive the amount of sevens in the scriptures and its significants to completion. Truly amazing post.

I found it very stimulating in the research. I found in my search in the mystery that Seven is in all the books and appears to be very important to revealing at the last day which I think is all related to the great mystery.

All the very best
sevens

[ 12-11-2006, 04:16 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi I agree with Absonite.

IId rather stick to the UB information than Sitchin. I find the the UB much more reliable about the history of mankind. I feel much of his stuff is an over active imagination. On

e theory out of many but no evidence like the UB presentation.

Actually I feel the UB is so straight forward and direct that still people have to complicate something that is simple and straightforward.

Its the UB not sitchin that have led mankind to these multiple discoveries harmonised in word.

sevens

Hi Sandra

Thanks for your posts I found them intresting. I always found in this research that 10 is a significant number as well. I have found many tens.

The numbers 10 seems to connect with many things apparently this planet is a decimal planet found in the urantia book. It seems to have importance to us that makes us unique ot other inhabitated planets.

The UB link

About the sevens number here is a little sevens thing I found in the UB.

 

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Said Amos: "He who formed the mountains and created the wind, seek him who formed the seven stars and Orion, who turns the shadow of death into the morning and makes the day dark as night." And in denouncing his half-religious, timeserving, and sometimes immoral fellows, he sought to portray the inexorable justice of an unchanging Yahweh when he said of the evildoers: "Though they dig into hell, thence shall I take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down." "And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I direct the sword of justice, and it shall slay them." Amos further startled his hearers when, pointing a reproving and accusing finger at them, he declared in the name of Yahweh: "Surely I will never forget any of your works." "And I will sift the house of Israel among all nations as wheat is sifted in a sieve.

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Sometimes I wonder whether The Urantia Book in its description of Amos is really telling us something more hidden as in an hidden warning of some sort.

I wonder if this was meant for now.

regards
sevens

[ 12-16-2006, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

About the Sphinx

Here is a little study I did sometime ago. As I was searching the net following the river of truth and its branches.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/sphinx_riddle.htm
Im not sure if its right but to me it was a fantastic search and all the little discoveries along the way. I reckon the sphinx is significant and I think the ancient knowledge is rising from its caverns

All the best
sevens

Posts: 745 | Registered: Mar 2006  |  Logged: 58.105.18.91 | 

Hi I found this link in a artsnake post.

I thought the following was absolutely interesting. Reading through the Dweller of Unal it kind of reminds me of today with the multiple discoveries in word through our past and the physical.


http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html
 

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The Dweller of Unal
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald5bw.html

The books of Toth seems interesting.

Here is the Book of Toth Seven.
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald7bw.html

In bold are the words I found interesting. It all good and very interesting.

The Seven Lords

Hark ye O man, and list to my Voice.
Open thy mind-space and drink of my wisdom.
Dark is the pathway of LIFE that ye travel.
Many the pitfalls that lie in thy way.
Seek ye ever to gain greater wisdom.
Attain and it shall be light on thy way.

Open thy SOUL, O man, to the Cosmic
and let it flow in as one with thy SOUL.
LIGHT is eternal and darkness is fleeting.
Seek ye ever, O man, for the LIGHT.
Know ye that ever as Light fills thy being,
darkness for thee shall soon disappear.

Open thy souls to the BROTHERS OF BRIGHTNESS .
Let them enter and fill thee with LIGHT.
Lift up thine eyes to the LIGHT of the Cosmos.
Keep thou ever thy face to the goal.
Only by gaining the light of all wisdom,
art thou one with the Infinite goal.
Seek ye ever the Oness eternal.
Seek ever the Light into One.

Hear ye, O man, list to my Voice
singing the song of Light and of Life.
throughout all space, Light is prevalent,
encompassing ALL with its banners if flames.
Seek ye forever in the veil of the darkness,
somewhere ye shall surely find Light.
Hidden and buried, lost to man's knowledge,
deep in the finite the Infinite exists.
Lost, but existing,
flowing through all things,
living in ALL is the INFINITE BRAIN.

In all space, there is only ONE wisdom.
Through seeming decided, it is ONE in the ONE.
All that exists comes forth from the LIGHT,
and the LIGHT comes forth from the ALL.

Everything created is based upon ORDER:
LAW rules the space where the INFINITE dwells.
Forth from equilibrium came the great cycles,
moving in harmony toward Infinity's end.

Know ye, O man, that far in the space-time,
INFINITY itself shall pass into change.
Hear ye and list to the Voice of Wisdom:
Know that ALL is of ALL evermore.
Know that through time thou may pursue wisdom
and find ever more light on the way.
Know that through time thou may pursue wisdom
and find ever more light on the way.
Aye, thou shall find that ever receding,
thy goal shall elude thee from day unto day.

Long time ago, in the HALLS OF AMENTI,
I, Thoth, stood before the LORDS of the cycles.
Mighty, THEY in their aspects of power;
mighty, THEY in the wisdom unveiled.

Led by the Dweller, first did I see them.
But afterwards free was I of their presence,
free to enter their conclave at will.
Oft did I journey down the dark pathway
unto the HALL where the LIGHT ever glows.

Learned I of the Masters of cycles,
wisdom brought from the cycles above.
Manifest THEY in this cycle
as guides of man to the knowledge of ALL.
Seven are they, mighty in power,
speaking these words through me to men.
Time after time, stood I before them
listening to words that came not with sound.

Once said THEY unto me:
O man, wouldst thou gain wisdom?
Seek for it in the heart of the flame.
Wouldst thou gain knowledge of power?
Seek ye it in the heart of the flame.
Wouldst be one with the heart of the flame?
Seek then within thine own hidden flame.

Many the times spoke THEY to me,
teaching me wisdom not of the world;
showing me ever new paths to brightness;
teaching me wisdom brought from above.
Giving knowledge of operation,
learning of LAW, the order of ALL.

Spoke to me again, the Seven, saying:
> From far beyond time are WE, come, O man,
Traveled WE from beyond SPACE-TIME,
aye, from the place of Infinity's end.
When ye and all of thy brethren were formless,
formed forth were WE from the order of ALL.
Not as men are WE,
though once WE, too, were as men.
Out of the Great Void were WE formed forth
in order by LAW.
For know ye that which is formed
truly is formless, having form only to thine eyes.

And again, unto me spoke the Seven, saying:
Child of the LIGHT, O THOTH, art thou,
free to travel the bright path upward
until at last ALL ONES become ONE

Forth were WE formed after our order:
THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT--NINE.
Know ye that these are the numbers of cycles
that WE descend from unto man.
Each having here a duty to fulfill;
each having here a force to control.

Yet are we ONE with the SOUL of our cycle.
Yet are WE, too, seeking a goal.
Far beyond man's conception,
Infinity extends into a greater than ALL.
There, in a time that is yet not a time,
we shall ALL become ONE
with a greater than ALL.
Time and space are moving in circles.
Know ye their law, and ye too, shall be free.
Aye, free shall ye be to move through the cycles--
pass the guardians that dwell at the door.

Then to me spoke HE of NINE saying:
Aeons and aeons have I existed,
knowing not LIFE and tasting not death.
For know ye. O man, that far in the future,
life and death shall be one with the ALL.

Each so perfected by balancing the other
that neither exists in the Oneness of ALL.
In men of this cycle, the life force is rampant,
but life in its growth becomes one with them ALL.

Here, I manifest in this your cycle,
but yet am I there in your future of time.
Yet to me, time exists not,
for in my world time exists not,
for formless are WE.
Life have WE not but yet have existence,
fuller and greater and freer than thee.

Man is a flame bound to a mountain,
but WE in our cycle shall ever be free.
Know ye, O man, that when ye have progressed
into the cycle that lengthen above,
life itself will pass to the darkness
and only the essence of Soul shall remain.

Then to me spoke the LORD of the EIGHT saying:
All that ye know is but part of little.
Not as yet have ye touched on the Great.
Far out in space where LIGHT beings supreme,
came I into the LIGHT.
Formed was I also but not as ye are.

Body of Light was my formless form formed.
Know I not LIFE and know I not DEATH,
yet master am I of all that exists.
Seek ye to find the path through the barriers.
Travel the road that leads to the LIGHT.

Spoke again to me the NINE saying:
Seek ye to find the path to beyond.
Not impossible is it to grow
to a consciousness above.
For when TWO have become ONE
and ONE has become the ALL,
know ye the barrier has lifted,
and ye are made free of the road.
Grow thou from form to the formless.
Free may thou be of the road.

Thus, through ages I listened,
learning the way to the ALL.
Now Lift I my thoughts to the ALL-THING.
List ye and hear when it calls.

O LIGHT, all prevading,
One with ALL and ALL with ONE,
flow thou to me through the channel.
Enter thou so that I may be free.
Make me One with the ALL-SOUL,
shining from the blackness of night.
Free let me be of all space-time,
free from the Veil of the night.
I, a child of LIGHT, command:
Free from the darkness to be.

Formless am I to the Light-Soul,
formless yet shining with light.
Know I the bonds of the darkness
must shatter and fall before light.

Now give I this wisdom.
Free may ye be, O man,
living in light and in brightness.
Turn not they face from the Light.
Thy soul dwells in realms of brightness.
Ye are a child of the Light.

Turn thy thoughts inward not outward.
Find thou the Light-Soul within.
Know that thou art the MASTER.
All else is brought from within.
Grow thou to realms of brightness.
Hold thou thy thought on the Light.
Know thou art one with the Cosmos,
a flame and a Child of the Light.

Now to thee gave I warning:
Let not the thought turn away.
Know that the brightness
flows through thy body for aye.
Turn not to the DARK-BROTHERS
that come from the BROTHERS OF BLACK.
But keep thine eyes ever lifted,
thy soul in tune with the Light.

Take ye this wisdom and heed it.
List to my Voice and obey.
Follow the pathway to brightness,
and thou shall be ONE with the way.

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Here is another interesting one

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald8bw.html


regards
sevens

[ 12-16-2006, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Here is another fascinating one from this

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald15bw.html

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When they refuse thee, as surely they will,
command them to open by these words of power:
I am the Light. For me are no barriers.
Open, I command, by the Secret of Secrets
Edom-El-Ahim-Sabbert-Zur Adom.

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In the above was that a threefold secret that would be unvieled like a 3 discoveries in multple places close to wach other?

I journey into this mystery the secrets of secrets unvieling itself.

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I command, by the Secret of Secrets
Edom-El-Ahim-Sabbert-Zur Adom.

Is that like Edom/Eden El like in God Ahim like Abraham with the Eastern connection and Adon/Adam or Andon or andonite and its connection since Eden . Then you have Sabbert like Sabbath its connection to Seven and the whole experience related to the Urantia Book as in Zur the ur.

futher quotes

Then if thy words have been Truth of the highest,
open for thee the barriers will fall.

 

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Now, I leave thee, my children.
Down, yet up, to the Halls shall I go.
Win ye the way to me, my children.
Truly my brothers shall ye become.

Thus finish I my writings. Keys
let them be to those who come after.
But only to those who seek my wisdom,
for only for these am I the Key and the Way.

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Here is another extract from here
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald14bw.html
SUPPLEMENTARY TABLET XIV Atlantis

 

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Aye, though man may fall into darkness,
always the Light will shine as a guide.
Hidden in darkness, veiled in symbols,
always the way to the portal will be found.
Man in the future will deny the mysteries
but always the way the seeker will find.

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Some very interesting parallels to the journey present day. In this mystery.

regards
sevens

[ 12-16-2006, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Here is the Preface which reveals much

http://www.crystalinks.com/emeraldprefacebw.html

 

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The history of the tablets translated in the following pages is strange and beyond the belief of modern scientists. Their antiquity is stupendous, dating back some 36,000 years B.C. The writer is Thoth, an Atlantean Priest-King, who founded a colony in ancient Egypt after the sinking of the mother country.

He was the builder of the Great Pyramid of Giza, erroneously attributed to Cheops. In it he incorporated his knowledge of the ancient wisdom and also securely secreted records and instruments of ancient Atlantis.

For some 16,000 years, he ruled the ancient race of Egypt, from approximately 52,000 B.C. to 36,000 B.C. At that time, the ancient barbarous race among which he and his followers had settled had been raised to a high degree of civilization.

Thoth was an immortal, that is, he had conquered death, passing only when he willed and even then not through death. His vast wisdom made him ruler over the various Atlantean colonies, including the ones in South and Central America.

When the time came for him to leave Egypt, he erected the Great Pyramid over the entrance to the Great Halls of Amenti, placed in it his records, and appointed guards for his secrets from among the highest of his people.

In later times, the descendants of these guards became the pyramid priests, by which Thoth was deified as the God of Wisdom, The Recorder, by those in the age of darkness which followed his passing. In legend, the Halls of Amenti became the underworld, the Halls of the gods, where the soul passed after death for judgment.

During later ages, the ego of Thoth passed into the bodies of men in the manner described in the tablets. As such, he incarnated three times, in his last being known as Hermes, the thrice-born.

In this incarnation, he left the writings known to modern occultists as the Emerald Tablets, a later and far lesser exposition of the ancient mysteries.

The tablets translated in this work are ten which were left in the Great Pyramid in the custody of the pyramid priests. The ten are divided into thirteen parts for the sake of convenience.

The last two are so great and far-reaching in their import that at present it is forbidden to release them to the world at large. However, in those contained herein are secrets which will prove of inestimable value to the serious student.

They should be read, not once, but a hundred times for only thus can the true meaning be revealed. A casual reading will give glimpses of beauty, but more intensive study will open avenues of wisdom to the seeker.

But now a word as to how these mighty secrets came to be revealed to modern man after being hidden so long.

Some thirteen hundred years B.C., Egypt, the ancient Khem, was in turmoil and many delegations of priests were sent to other parts of the world.

Among these were some of the pyramid priests who carried with them the Emerald Tablets as a talisman by which they could exercise authority over the less advanced priest-craft of races descended from other Atlantean colonies.

The tablets were understood from legend to give the bearer authority from Thoth.

The particular group of priests bearing the tablets emigrated to South America where they found a flourishing race, the Mayas who remembered much of the ancient wisdom.

Among these, the priests settled and remained. In the tenth century, the Mayas had thoroughly settled the Yucatan, and the tablets were placed beneath the altar of one of the great temples of the Sun God.

After the conquest of the Mayas by the Spaniards, the cities were abandoned and the treasures of the temples forgotten.

It should be understood that the Great Pyramid of Egypt has been and still is a temple of initiation into the mysteries. Jesus, Solomon, Apollonius and others were initiated there.

The writer (who has a connection with the Great White Lodge which also works through the pyramid priesthood) was instructed to recover and return to the Great Pyramid the ancient tablets.

This, after adventures which need not be detailed here, was accomplished. Before returning them, he was given permission to translate and retain a copy of the wisdom engraved on the tablets.

This was done in 1925 and only now has permission been given for part to be published. It is expected that many will scoff. Yet the true student will read between the lines and gain wisdom.

If the light is in you, the light which is engraved in these tablets will respond.

Now, a word as to the material aspect of the tablets.

They consist of twelve tablets of emerald green, formed from a substance created through alchemical transmutation.

They are imperishable, resistant to all elements and substances. In effect, the atomic and cellular structure is fixed, no change ever taking place.

In this respect, they violate the material law of ionization.

Upon them are engraved characters in the ancient Atlantean language: characters which respond to attuned thought waves, releasing the associated mental vibration in the mind of the reader.

The tablets are fastened together with hoops of golden-colored alloy suspended from a rod of the same material. So much for the material appearance.

The wisdom contained therein is the foundation of the ancient mysteries. And for the one who reads with open eyes and mind, his wisdom shall be increased a hundred-fold.

Read. Believe or not, but read. And the vibration found therein will awaken a response in your soul.

In the following pages, I will reveal some of the mysteries which as yet have only been touched upon lightly either by myself or other teachers or students of truth.

Man's search for understanding of the laws which regulate his life has been unending, yet always just beyond the veil which shields the higher planes from material man's vision the truth has existed, ready to be assimilated by those who enlarge their vision by turning inward, not outward, in their search.

In the silence of material senses lies the key to the unveiling of wisdom. He who talks does not know; he who knows does not talk.

The highest knowledge is unutterable, for it exists as an entity in lanes which transcend all material words or symbols.

All symbols are but keys to doors leading to truths, and many times the door is not opened because the key seems so great that the things which are beyond it are not visible.

If we can understand that all keys, all material symbols are manifestations, are but extensions of a great law and truth, we will begin to develop the vision which will enable us to penetrate beyond the veil.

All things in all universes move according to law, and the law which regulates the movement of the planets is no more immutable than the law which regulates the material expressions of man.

One of the greatest of all Cosmic Laws is that which is responsible for the formation of man as a material being.

The great aim of the mystery schools of all ages has been to reveal the workings of the Law which connect man the material and man the spiritual.

The connecting link between the material man and the spiritual man is the intellectual man, for the mind partakes of both the material and immaterial qualities.

The aspirant for higher knowledge must develop the intellectual side of his nature and so strengthen his will that is able to concentrate all powers of his being on and in the plane he desires.

The great search for light, life and love only begins on the material plane. Carried to its ultimate, its final goal is complete oneness with the universal consciousness. The foundation in the material is the first step; then comes the higher goal of spiritual attainment.

In the following pages, I will give an interpretation of the Emerald Tablets and their secret, hidden and esoteric meanings.

Concealed in the words of Thoth are many meanings that do not appear on the surface.

Light of knowledge brought to bear upon the Tablets will open many new fields for thought.

"Read and be wise" but only if the light of your own consciousness awakens the deep-seated understanding which is an inherent quality of the soul.

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regards

sevens

[ 12-16-2006, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Egyptian Book of The Dead

 

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Thy fingers have been stablished by thy scribe's craft in the presence of the Lord of Khemenu, Thoth, who hath bestowed upon thee the knowledge of the speech of the holy books. Thy beard is beautiful in the sight of Ptah-Seker, and thou, O scribe Nebseni, thou lord of fealty, art beautiful before the Great Company of the Gods. The Great God looketh upon thee, and he leadeth thee along the path of happiness. Sepulchral meals are bestowed upon thee, and he overthroweth for thee thine enemies, setting them under thy feet in the presence of the Great Company of the Gods who dwell in the House of the Great Aged One which is in Anu.

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And thou shalt write down these things in accordance with the instructions which are found in the books of Prince Herutataf, who discovered them in a secret coffer (now they were in the handwriting of the god [Thoth] himself and had been deposited in the Temple of the goddess Unnut, the Lady of Unu) during a journey which he was making in order to inspect the temples, and the temple-estates, and the sanctuaries of the gods.

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http://dalamatiacity.com/eden/book_dead.htm

Again its all about books and instruction and the sancturies of the Gods

regards
sevens

[ 12-17-2006, 04:33 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi Sandra, thanks

About the sevens its the strangest thing. I only started using that nickname A year or less ago because I couldn't use my original nickname dj or I could of lost the password.

I was searching for another name. I thought sevens was a good one as I look after dalamatiacity.com. I thought it was appropriate at the time. But then as I researched the case more and more from different bits of knowledge, I started seeing the sevens pop up all over the place.

Sevens here and there and everywhere. However I knew sevens was an important number but not to this extent where it is used in all the books. Anyway its a strange thing and considering the research and physical discoveries makes you think is there much more to this.

Also sevenfold seems to be a very big key in this whole mystery regarding these ancient places. Although the saga for it to reach it ultimate conclusion something would have to be very obvious and related to happen where its undeniable!!

Anyway its just a journey like everyone else into there individual path of truth seeking. One thing for sure its been a splendid journey finding harmonisation of the physical and the spiritual.

Riven 8 is an important number but I haven't done much study in 8. Seems interesting.

Here is something relating to the sevenfold from the Urantia Book.

 

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Urantia Link
4. Assistant Teachers. The assistant teachers are the helpers and associates of their fellow seraphim, the teaching counselors. They are also individually connected with the extensive educational enterprises of the local universe, especially with the sevenfold scheme of training operative on the mansion worlds of the local systems. A marvelous corps of this order of seraphim functions on Urantia for the purpose of fostering and furthering the cause of truth and righteousness.


and
Urantia Link
Early in the materialization of the universal creation the sevenfold scheme of the superuniverse organization and government was formulated. The first post-Havona creation was divided into seven stupendous segments, and the headquarters worlds of these superuniverse governments were designed and constructed. The present scheme of administration has existed from near eternity, and the rulers of these seven superuniverses are rightly called Ancients of Days.

 

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All the best
sevens

[ 12-17-2006, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

This blows me away

 

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Know ye, O people amongst whom I walk,
that I, Thoth, have all of the knowledge
and all of the wisdom known, to man since the ancient days.
Keeper have I been of the secrets of the great race,
holder of the key that leads into life.
Bringer up have I been to ye, O my children,
even from the darkness of the Ancient of Days.
List ye now to the words of my wisdom.
List ye now to the message I bring.
Hear ye now the words I give thee, and
ye shall be raised from the darkness to Light.

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http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald11bw.html

Even the Ancients of Days are mentioned. They say that this translation is 1925, this is before the urantia book.

According to the preface this knowledge goes back 36,000 years around when Atlantis sunk perpetuated through civilisation and now we read this today in this study and discovery.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/ultimate_adventure.htm

regards
sevens

[ 12-17-2006, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

[ 12-17-2006, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi Im researching Javan, looking for the race of the pre Greeks and where the Atlantis story involved.

Here is an extract from here http://custance.org/old/noah/ch2h.html

 

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Madai and Javan:

The part that these play in early history is very well defined and can be stated without the complications that are attached to most of the previous names.

It is reasonably clear that the Madai appear subsequently as the Medes and Javan gave rise to the Ionians. In his book, Races of the Old Testament, Sayce says that the Medes claimed a relationship with the Aryans of north India, and on the Persian monuments (for example, the Behistun inscriptions) they are referred to as the Mada - from which the Greek form, Medes, comes. (65) There is no doubt that Persia was their general area of initial settlement. In Assyrian inscriptions they are mentioned as the Ma-da-ai. (66)

Now it has already been observed that before there arose a complete separation of the various nationalities - Medes, Persians, Greeks, Celts, etc. - the Japhethites were first divided into two major bodies. One of these comprised the ancestors of the Indians and Persians, whereas the second was the aggregate of those tribes which afterwards composed the nations of Europe. Thus the word Indo-European well sums up our ethnological origins.

That the separation of these two groups had probably preceded the smaller division into nationalities is suggested by the early rise of names distinguishing these two great divisions. The ancestors of the Indo-Persians claimed for themselves alone the old title, Aryas, and gave to the other body the name, Yavanas, (67) a word which may possibly be related to our word Young, although, to my mind, it is clearly a recollection of the name Javan. Thus Javan and Madai, in a manner of speaking, may stand collectively for the two branches of the Indo-European family.

Orientals seem to have used the term Yavan for the Greek race as a whole. The Assyrians called the Greeks of Cyprus the Yavnan. The Persians refer to the Greeks of Asia Minor and the Aegean Islands as the Yuna. The terms Greek and Hellene, Achaean, and Dorian seem to have been unknown in Asia, according to Rawlinson. (68)

In the days when Egyptian monarchs of the IVth Dynasty were erecting their pyramids, the Mediterranean was already known as the Great Circle of the Uinivu, (69) which is equated by some with Javan.

Larned suggests that the Italian peninsula was occupied by peoples of a stock who had travelled into Greece, later crossing the Apennines and spreading southward along the western coast. (70) It is evident that in the name Javan we have a very early reference to the basic stock out of which Greece, and perhaps part of Italy, was first settled, for the Greeks in later periods used other patronymics to refer to themselves. And it would seem, on the other hand, that in the Medes we have an equally early reference to those who settled India, since in Genesis 10 there is no mention, for example, of the Persians who in later records were nearly always associated with the Medes. Indeed, as with the Greeks, whose more ancient name, Ionians, has long since disappeared, so in modern times the word Persia has remained but the name Madai has disappeared. Javan, then, is a general term for those who became Indians, Medes, and Persians.

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the urantia book link
Link

 

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Almost two thousand years after the settlement of Crete a group of the tall descendants of Adamson made their way over the northern islands to Greece, coming almost directly from their highland home north of Mesopotamia. These progenitors of the Greeks were led westward by Sato, a direct descendant of Adamson and Ratta.


and this

link

This center of civilization was situated in the region east of the southern end of the Caspian Sea, near the Kopet Dagh. A short way up in the foothills of Turkestan are the vestiges of what was onetime the Adamsonite headquarters of the violet race. In these highland sites, situated in a narrow and ancient fertile belt lying in the lower foothills of the Kopet range, there successively arose at various periods four diverse cultures respectively fostered by four different groups of Adamson's descendants. It was the second of these groups which migrated westward to Greece and the islands of the Mediterranean. The residue of Adamson's descendants migrated north and west to enter Europe with the blended stock of the last Andite wave coming out of Mesopotamia, and they were also numbered among the Andite-Aryan invaders of India.


 

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[ 12-19-2006, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

If the Greeks ultimately came from Northeast Iran then I would assume that all of Greek mythology would be a clear reflection or similiar to the Ahura Mazda from Iran. When looking into it I can find many parallels.

Just the word Javan looking into the Van aspect of the word gives clues to Van the civilisation that built Atlantis . His Headquarters was in Iran.

regards
sevens

Posts: 752 | Registered: Mar 2006  |  Logged: 58.105.18.91

Hey no worries

Here is a little something I found that seems to points to Von Van and his 3 sons. Could that mean 3 race dispersals related to Vans sphere of influence. Im thinking this could be a strong lead that points to the pre civilisation of the Greeks.

 

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Biblical Pattern of Settlement
The essential pattern of these Greek migration Stories assumes many Biblical aspects. As Genesis 10:21-25 indicates, it was in the fourth postflood generation that mankind dispersed to colonise the earth. The family of Von, usually translated as Javan , 17 is usually associated with the Greek area and the names of three of Von's sons are significant to this study: Elishah (who is sometimes identified with the Aeolian Greeks), Dodanim (who is sometimes identified with the island of Rhodes) and Tarshish (who is sometimes identified with the city of Tarshish in Asia Minor). is The name Von itself, finds quick parallels in several Greek names of the postflood era: Ion, Io and Ino. Of these three names, Io is the most significant: four generations after the flood the descendants of a mythical lady named 10, from Argos, settled much of the Greek area. Two of Io's descendants stopped on the island of Rhodes, already associated with Biblical Dodanim, prior to their arrival on the Greek mainland and a third colonised that same area of Asia Minor that the patriarch Tarshish is said to have reached.20 The patriarch Elishah finds a quick agreement in a Greek postflood hero named Aeolis. Their names (ELIS hah & a IE 0 LIS) bear a resemblance which is further strengthened in the name of Aeolis' kingdom, Hellas (h ELLAS) and in the fact that one of Aeolis' sons founded a colony in the southern Greek state of Elis. Aeolis is perhaps the most prominently mentioned of Deucalion's descendants and it seems significant that his sons were to establish kingdoms in areas as far apart as the northern Greek states of Macedonia, Magnesia and Thessaly and the southern states of Corinth and Elis. Such a wide dispersal of descendants, in positions of power, is precisely what we might expect from the patriarch Elishah.

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http://www.creationism.org/csshs/v07n4p20.htm

I noticed this

 

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it was in the fourth postflood generation that mankind dispersed to colonise the earth. The family of Von, usually translated as Javan ,

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There seem to be direct connection of Von or in my mind Van and the Javans. It appears to be a direct link of the pre greek civilisation.

Von or Van - Javan

quote: Caligastia, with a maximum of intelligence and a vast experience in universe affairs, went astray--embraced sin. Amadon, with a minimum of intelligence and utterly devoid of universe experience, remained steadfast in the service of the universe and in loyalty to his associate. Van utilized both mind and spirit in a magnificent and effective combination of intellectual determination and spiritual insight, thereby achieving an experiential level of personality realization of the highest attainable order. Mind and spirit, when fully united, are potential for the creation of superhuman values, even morontia realities.

Also I found this from the period of post rebellion 150,000 to 38,000 years ago and information regarding the Amadons 56 were immortal combined with the non immortals the 144. In the second coming are these original 144 appear and participate in the building of new era. Is this the same 144 in conjunction with the rest a adams family that was translated. The 144 is mentioned in the Revelations in the end times and the Holy race that come down living amoungst men as mentioned in the dead sea scrolls.

 

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When the Melchizedek teachers penetrated to pre-Hellenic Greece, they found a people who still fostered the traditions of Adamson and the days of the Andites, but these teachings had become greatly adulterated with the notions and beliefs of the hordes of inferior slaves that had been brought to the Greek shores in increasing numbers

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Almost two thousand years after the settlement of Crete a group of the tall descendants of Adamson made their way over the northern islands to Greece, coming almost directly from their highland home north of Mesopotamia. These progenitors of the Greeks were led westward by Sato, a direct descendant of Adamson and Ratta

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The Adamsonites maintained a high culture for almost seven thousand years from the times of Adamson and Ratta. Later on they became admixed with the neighboring Nodites and Andonites and were also included among the "mighty men of old." And some of the advances of that age persisted to become a latent part of the cultural potential which later blossomed into European civilization.

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This center of civilization was situated in the region east of the southern end of the Caspian Sea, near the Kopet Dagh. A short way up in the foothills of Turkestan are the vestiges of what was onetime the Adamsonite headquarters of the violet race. In these highland sites, situated in a narrow and ancient fertile belt lying in the lower foothills of the Kopet range, there successively arose at various periods four diverse cultures respectively fostered by four different groups of Adamson's descendants. It was the second of these groups which migrated westward to Greece and the islands of the Mediterranean. The residue of Adamson's descendants migrated north and west to enter Europe with the blended stock of the last Andite wave coming out of Mesopotamia, and they were also numbered among the Andite-Aryan invaders of India

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Adamson pre Greek search UB


Von or Van - Javan

Here is a word search on Van from the UB

Van search UB

 

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The followers of Van early withdrew to the highlands west of India, where they were exempt from attacks by the confused races of the lowlands, and from which place of retirement they planned for the rehabilitation of the world as their early Badonite predecessors had once all unwittingly worked for the welfare of mankind just before the days of the birth of the Sangik tribes.

Before the arrival of the Melchizedek receivers, Van placed the administration of human affairs in the hands of ten commissions of four each, groups identical with those of the Prince's regime. The senior resident Life Carriers assumed temporary leadership of this council of forty, which functioned throughout the seven years of waiting. Similar groups of Amadonites assumed these responsibilities when the thirty-nine loyal staff members returned to Jerusem.

These Amadonites were derived from the group of 144 loyal Andonites to which Amadon belonged, and who have become known by his name. This group comprised thirty-nine men and one hundred and five women. Fifty-six of this number were of immortality status, and all (except Amadon) were translated along with the loyal members of the staff. The remainder of this noble band continued on earth to the end of their mortal days under the leadership of Van and Amadon. They were the biologic leaven which multiplied and continued to furnish leadership for the world down through the long dark ages of the postrebellion era.

Van was left on Urantia until the time of Adam, remaining as titular head of all superhuman personalities functioning on the planet. He and Amadon were sustained by the technique of the tree of life in conjunction with the specialized life ministry of the Melchizedeks for over one hundred and fifty thousand years.

The affairs of Urantia were for a long time administered by a council of planetary receivers, twelve Melchizedeks, confirmed by the mandate of the senior constellation ruler, the Most High Father of Norlatiadek. Associated with the Melchizedek receivers was an advisory council consisting of: one of
Page 760 the loyal aids of the fallen Prince, the two resident Life Carriers, a Trinitized Son in apprenticeship training, a volunteer Teacher Son, a Brilliant Evening Star of Avalon (periodically), the chiefs of seraphim and cherubim, advisers from two neighboring planets, the director general of subordinate angelic life, and Van, the commander in chief of the midway creatures. And thus was Urantia governed and administered until the arrival of Adam. It is not strange that the courageous and loyal Van was assigned a place on the council of planetary receivers which for so long administered the affairs of Urantia.

The twelve Melchizedek receivers of Urantia did heroic work. They preserved the remnants of civilization, and their planetary policies were faithfully executed by Van. Within one thousand years after the rebellion he had more than three hundred and fifty advanced groups scattered abroad in the world. These outposts of civilization consisted largely of the descendants of the loyal Andonites slightly admixed with the Sangik races, particularly the blue men, and with the Nodites.

Notwithstanding the terrible setback of rebellion there were many good strains of biologic promise on earth. Under the supervision of the Melchizedek receivers, Van and Amadon continued the work of fostering the natural evolution of the human race, carrying forward the physical evolution of man until it reached that culminating attainment which warranted the dispatch of a Material Son and Daughter to Urantia.

Van and Amadon remained on earth until shortly after the arrival of Adam and Eve. Some years thereafter they were translated to Jerusem, where Van was reunited with his waiting Adjuster. Van now serves in behalf of Urantia while awaiting the order to go forward on the long, long trail to Paradise perfection and the unrevealed destiny of the assembling Corps of Mortal Finality.

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UB link

 

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If the Lucifer rebellion has handicapped the local system and its fallen worlds, if the loss of this Son and his misled associates has temporarily hampered the progress of the constellation of Norlatiadek, then weigh the effect of the far-flung presentation of the inspiring performance of this one child of nature and his determined band of 143 comrades in standing steadfast for the higher concepts of universe management and administration in the face of such tremendous and adverse pressure exerted by his disloyal superiors. And let me assure you, this has already done more good in the universe of Nebadon and the superuniverse of Orvonton than can ever be outweighed by the sum total of all the evil and sorrow of the Lucifer rebellion.

And all this is a beautifully touching and superbly magnificent illumination of the wisdom of the Father's universal plan for mobilizing the Corps of Mortal Finality on Paradise and for recruiting this vast group of mysterious servants of the future largely from the common clay of the mortals of ascending progression--just such mortals as the impregnable Amadon.

[Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]

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regards
sevens

[ 12-20-2006, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi Joer

Thanks for your kind words. Its a real pleasure to research the books and find treasures that harmonise with discovery of the ancient places.

I was inspired by Robert Sarmasts discovery and began was putting some material together about it and looked in the Book of Enoch to see if I could find fragments of Eden in Enoch which I felt I did from there on I began a search for Eden in all the books of religion to see if I could fagments of it which ultimately led me to searching for Dalamatia and finding Eden in the Books. I was inspired by Robert Sarmasts Book and how he uncovered 1st Eden.

Further down in the timeline I discovery Enochs sevenfold prophecy and the instruction given which undoubtedly was the Urantia Book considering all the sevenfold information and the discovery of Eden.

1 Enoch 104:10 Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe;

 

and I found this in the urantia Book

 

Like a discovery and a book or a revelation. The Book and the discovery.

and the you have the opening of the books (like our books of religion) and the another book the Book of life which I believe is the Urantia Book and harmonises in word discovery of the ancient places.

and this

 

and then you have this

Jesus and the Garden prophecy
1Book of Adam and Eve
around 300BC
Full version of the Jesus and the Garden prophecy

 

Looking at the harmonisation happening in the physical and the reflections of the place in our books and the discoveries that take us back to origins make me think that truth is revealing itself in a more ever present way.

I really feel that Paradise is involved in this and its of the highest level all these things of truth that are appearing. I think Enoch is very much involved and it relates to the sevenfold. The Father.

regards
sevens
 

Hi

Apparently there was allot eastern mysticism he noticed in his studies of Enoch but I'm sure there are some gems of truth he would of noticed as that was a book he studied quite a bit.

Well have to see what comes to pass if anything over time.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:31 pm  

Just out of curiosity I looked to see how many locations in Iran that contained Javan or javar or Javan within the name.

Von or Van - Javan which means Young

I was amazed to see how many places contains this word.


http://www.indexmundi.com/zp/ir/29440.htm


Javaheran Ostan-e Kerman 29.9413889 56.0575 2384 7822
Javakar Ostan-e Kohgiluyeh va Buyer Ahmad 31.1097222 50.8936111 2107 6913
Javaliqan Ostan-e Fars 29.2708333 51.9888889 839 2753
Javan Khan Ostan-e Sistan va Baluchestan 28.0719444 62.6966667 525 1722
Javan Mardi Ostan-e Chahar Mahall va Bakhtiari 31.4544444 51.1419444 1989 6526
Javan Sheykh Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 38.6166667 47.0166667 1845 6053
Javanabad Ostan-e Lorestan 33.5130556 48.0069444 1036 3399
Javanan Ostan-e Fars 28.7794444 54.3713889 1090 3576
Javanan-e Goruh Ostan-e Kerman 38.5666667 46.2333333 1495 4905
Javangan Ostan-e Hormozgan 27.4808333 56.1675 395 1296
Javanmardabad Ostan-e Kordestan 35.2166667 47.4166667 1891 6204
Javanmiri Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.7666667 45.9666667 1114 3655
Javanqal`eh Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 37.5 45.9666667 1366 4482
Javanrud Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.7961111 46.5172222 1418 4652
Javanrud Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.8 46.4833333 1349 4426
Javar Ostan-e Esfahan 32.5225 52.0038889 1521 4990
Javar Deh Ostan-e Kohgiluyeh va Buyer Ahmad 31.1194444 50.4977778 1192 3911
Javar Sajin Ostan-e Hamadan 35.2833333 49.2166667 1838 6030
Javar Sineh Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.5 47.8 1854 6083
Javar Tan Ostan-e Khorasan 36.6666667 56.7833333 1261 4137

Here is another


http://www.indexmundi.com/zp/ir/29200.htm

Jamshidabad Ostan-e Mazandaran 36.5166667 52.3833333 37 121
Jamshidabad Ostan-e Khorasan 32.2808333 58.8638889 1251 4104
Jamshidabad Ostan-e Kerman 30.8208333 55.3591667 1401 4596
Jamshidabad Ostan-e Mazandaran 36.7166667 51.1833333 -17 -56
Jamshidabad NA 35.0616667 49.9391667 1384 4541

Here is a search on the places with Van in them. Again very revealing

Place State Latitude Longitude Elevation (meters) Elevation (feet)
Van-e Sofla Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi 39 48.3 708 2323
Vanegah Ostan-e Gilan 37.5158333 49.1113889 89 292
Vaneh Bon Ostan-e Mazandaran 36.0333333 53.3 1902 6240
Vaneh Boneh Ostan-e Gilan 37.0141667 49.2341667 1075 3527
Vaneh Khani Ostan-e Ardabil 37.2013889 48.9883333 2033 6670
Vanehabad Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 38.55 47.1333333 1621 5318
Vaneq-e `Olya Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 37.8833333 47.7666667 1862 6109
Vaneq-e Sofla Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 37.8675 47.7955556 2079 6821
Vaneshid Ostan-e Mazandaran 36.5538889 53.8888889 1389 4557
Vanestan Ostan-e Kerman 38.7166667 46.5833333 1773 5817
Vanestanak Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi 39.0166667 48.2666667 950 3117
Vangin NA 36.4833333 49.3666667 1516 4974
Vanguz-e `Olya Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi 36.6 46.1166667 1345 4413
Vani Khaleh Ostan-e Gilan 37.7694444 48.7566667 836 2743
Vani Sar Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.8052778 46.095 1251 4104
Vanineh-ye `Olya Ostan-e Kordestan 35.4877778 46.4669444 1581 5187
Vanineh-ye Sofla Ostan-e Kordestan 35.4738889 46.4569444 1598 5243
Vanisar NA 36.8888889 48.8738889 590 1936
Vanistan-e Chubar Ostan-e Gilan 38.1833333 48.8166667 534 1752

Vanit-e `Olya Ostan-e Ilam 33.8333333 46.2333333 1180 3871

Remebering this

 

quote:

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it was in the fourth postflood generation that mankind dispersed to colonise the earth. The family of Von, usually translated as Javan , 17 is usually associated with the Greek area and the names of three of Von's sons are significant to this study: Elishah (who is sometimes identified with the Aeolian Greeks), Dodanim (who is sometimes identified with the island of Rhodes) and Tarshish (who is sometimes identified with the city of Tarshish in Asia Minor). is The name Von itself, finds quick parallels in several Greek names of the postflood era: Ion, Io and Ino. Of these three names, Io is the most significant: four generations after the flood the descendants of a mythical lady named 10, from Argos, settled much of the Greek area. Two of Io's descendants stopped on the island of Rhodes, already associated with Biblical Dodanim, prior to their arrival on the Greek mainland and a third colonised that same area of Asia Minor that the patriarch Tarshish is said to have reached.

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regards
sevens

[ 12-20-2006, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject:   Just out of curiosity I looked to see how many locations in Iran that contained Javan or javar or Javan within the name.

Von or Van - Javan which means Young

I was amazed to see how many places contains this word.


http://www.indexmundi.com/zp/ir/29440.htm


Javaheran Ostan-e Kerman 29.9413889 56.0575 2384 7822
Javakar Ostan-e Kohgiluyeh va Buyer Ahmad 31.1097222 50.8936111 2107 6913
Javaliqan Ostan-e Fars 29.2708333 51.9888889 839 2753
Javan Khan Ostan-e Sistan va Baluchestan 28.0719444 62.6966667 525 1722
Javan Mardi Ostan-e Chahar Mahall va Bakhtiari 31.4544444 51.1419444 1989 6526
Javan Sheykh Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 38.6166667 47.0166667 1845 6053
Javanabad Ostan-e Lorestan 33.5130556 48.0069444 1036 3399
Javanan Ostan-e Fars 28.7794444 54.3713889 1090 3576
Javanan-e Goruh Ostan-e Kerman 38.5666667 46.2333333 1495 4905
Javangan Ostan-e Hormozgan 27.4808333 56.1675 395 1296
Javanmardabad Ostan-e Kordestan 35.2166667 47.4166667 1891 6204
Javanmiri Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.7666667 45.9666667 1114 3655
Javanqal`eh Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 37.5 45.9666667 1366 4482
Javanrud Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.7961111 46.5172222 1418 4652
Javanrud Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.8 46.4833333 1349 4426
Javar Ostan-e Esfahan 32.5225 52.0038889 1521 4990
Javar Deh Ostan-e Kohgiluyeh va Buyer Ahmad 31.1194444 50.4977778 1192 3911
Javar Sajin Ostan-e Hamadan 35.2833333 49.2166667 1838 6030
Javar Sineh Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.5 47.8 1854 6083
Javar Tan Ostan-e Khorasan 36.6666667 56.7833333 1261 4137

Here is another remebering Jamshid seven ringed cup of the immortal elixer of life, immortal life. Related to a book of truth and life. Remebering further back in the study the Jamshid will come up through his well through a connection of truth. Perhaps the origins of the early pre Greeks, the sones of Von or Van from the regions and headquarters in the Kopet Dagh in Iran. The Adamson civilisation. Even the Greek mythology reflects the early truth about there origins of there religion and reflections of an ancient civilisation.


http://www.indexmundi.com/zp/ir/29200.htm

Jamshidabad Ostan-e Mazandaran 36.5166667 52.3833333 37 121
Jamshidabad Ostan-e Khorasan 32.2808333 58.8638889 1251 4104
Jamshidabad Ostan-e Kerman 30.8208333 55.3591667 1401 4596
Jamshidabad Ostan-e Mazandaran 36.7166667 51.1833333 -17 -56
Jamshidabad NA 35.0616667 49.9391667 1384 4541

Here is a search on the places with Van in them. Again very revealing

Place State Latitude Longitude Elevation (meters) Elevation (feet)
Van-e Sofla Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi 39 48.3 708 2323
Vanegah Ostan-e Gilan 37.5158333 49.1113889 89 292
Vaneh Bon Ostan-e Mazandaran 36.0333333 53.3 1902 6240
Vaneh Boneh Ostan-e Gilan 37.0141667 49.2341667 1075 3527
Vaneh Khani Ostan-e Ardabil 37.2013889 48.9883333 2033 6670
Vanehabad Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 38.55 47.1333333 1621 5318
Vaneq-e `Olya Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 37.8833333 47.7666667 1862 6109
Vaneq-e Sofla Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi 37.8675 47.7955556 2079 6821
Vaneshid Ostan-e Mazandaran 36.5538889 53.8888889 1389 4557
Vanestan Ostan-e Kerman 38.7166667 46.5833333 1773 5817
Vanestanak Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi 39.0166667 48.2666667 950 3117
Vangin NA 36.4833333 49.3666667 1516 4974
Vanguz-e `Olya Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi 36.6 46.1166667 1345 4413
Vani Khaleh Ostan-e Gilan 37.7694444 48.7566667 836 2743
Vani Sar Ostan-e Kermanshah 34.8052778 46.095 1251 4104
Vanineh-ye `Olya Ostan-e Kordestan 35.4877778 46.4669444 1581 5187
Vanineh-ye Sofla Ostan-e Kordestan 35.4738889 46.4569444 1598 5243
Vanisar NA 36.8888889 48.8738889 590 1936
Vanistan-e Chubar Ostan-e Gilan 38.1833333 48.8166667 534 1752

Vanit-e `Olya Ostan-e Ilam 33.8333333 46.2333333 1180 3871

Remebering this

 

regards
sevens

I found this very interesting.

Just checking out Sufism


 

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Bahá'u'lláh's Uses of Bird Imagery in The Seven Valleys
In the letter's preamble, Bahá'u'lláh addresses Shaykh Muhyi'd-Din with these loving words:
"Further, we have harkened to what the nightingale of knowledge sang on the boughs of the tree of thy being, and learned what the dove of certitude cried on the branches of the bower of thy heart."8
"...and the bird of thy soul shall recall the holy sanctuaries of preexistence and soar on the wings of longing..."9
And in the form of a postscript at the end of His letter, Bahá'u'lláh answers a question from the Shaykh which may have been about one of the famous birds from Attar's Conference of the Birds. Bahá'u'lláh writes:
"The thoughts thou has expressed as to the interpretation of the common species of bird that is called in Persian Gunjishk (sparrow) were considered. Thou appearest to be well-grounded in mystic truth. However, on every plane, to every letter a meaning is allotted which relateth to that plane. Indeed, the wayfarer findeth a secret in every name, a mystery in every letter. In one sense, these letters refer to holiness."10
Bahá'u'lláh's advice to the Shaykh challenge his spirit and questing soul with these words:
"Wert thou to harken to the melodies of this mortal Bird [Bahá'u'lláh], then wouldst thou seek out the undying chalice and pass by every perishable cup."11
The spiritual journey which Bahá'u'lláh describes passes through the seven valleys of search, love, knowledge, unity, contentment, wonderment and poverty/absolute nothingness.
To be able to pass through the second valley (love), Bahá'u'lláh writes:
"And, if confirmed by the Creator, the lover escapes from the claws of the eagle of love..."12
To leave the third valley (knowledge), Bahá'u'lláh writes:
[color=darkred]"If thou be a man of communion and prayer, soar up on the wings of assistance from Holy Souls, that thou mayest behold the mysteries of the Friend and attain to the lights of the Beloved.[/color] "13
In the middle of the fourth valley (unity), Bahá'u'lláh refers to His own precarious condition, saying:
"And if a nightingale soar upward from the clay of self and dwell in the rose bower of the heart, and in Arabian melodies and sweet Iranian songs recount the mysteries of God—a single word of which quickeneth to fresh, new life the bodies of the dead, and bestoweth the Holy Spirit upon the moldering bones of this existence—thou wilt behold a thousand claws of envy, a myriad beaks of rancor hunting after Him and with all their power intent upon His death."14
"Thus it hath been made clear that these stages depend on the vision of the wayfarer. In every city he will behold a world, in every Valley reach a spring, in every meadow hear a song. But the falcon of the mystic heaven hath many a wondrous carol of the spirit in His breast, and the Persian bird keepeth in His soul many a sweet Arab melody; yet these are hidden, and hidden shall remain."15
In the fifth valley (contentment), Bahá'u'lláh writes:
"The tongue faileth in describing these three Valleys, and speech falleth short. The pen steppeth not into this region, the ink leaveth only a blot. In these planes, the nightingale of the heart hath other songs and secrets, which make the heart to stir and the soul to clamor, but this mystery of inner meaning may be whispered only from heart to heart, confided only from breast to breast."16
And in the seventh valley (true poverty and absolute nothingness), Bahá'u'lláh concludes:
"Then, ere the nightingale of the mystic paradise repair to the garden of God, and the rays of the heavenly morning return to the Sun of Truth—make thou an effort, that haply that in this dust-heap of the mortal world thou mayest catch a fragrance from the everlasting garden, and live forever in the shadow of the peoples of this city. And when thou hast attained this highest station and come to this mightiest plane, then shalt thou gaze on the Beloved, and forget all else."17

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The Bird Simurgh Takes the White-Haired Zal to Her Nest in the Mountains (From the Shahnama)
PA97

http://www.exoticindia.com/product/PA97/

like the fandor

also a bit of this I found in this link. However I think in real truth its much more expanded than just Islam. This spans all the religions.


 

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``Remember that in the Holy Quran God has described this characteristic of holy life that such a person shows miracles. God listens to the prayers of such people and speaks to them and gives them news of matters unseen beforehand and aids them. So we see that there have been thousands of such persons in Islam, and in this age I am here to show this example.''

(The Four Questions Answered, p. 15)

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http://aaiil.info/misconceptions/sufi/finality.htm

and dreams and vision in islam

http://www.gnfcw.com/dreamsandvisions.htm

 

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Dan 2:27-30 - Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;

28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.

30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou might know the thoughts of thy heart.


Isaiah 44:28 “That [he] says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure’: even saying to Jerusalem, ‘You shall be built’; and to the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”

Isaiah 45:3–4 “And I will give you [Cyrus], the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that you may know that I, the Lord [YHWH], which call you by your name, am the God of Israel. For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called you [Cyrus] by your name: I have surnamed you, though you have not known me.”


http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p060401.htm

 

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"It shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues"; "and they shall come and see My glory. And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those who escape of them unto the nations of Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow"; "to Tubal and Javan, to the coasts afar off that have not heard My fame nor seen My glory"; "and they shall declare My glory among the nations. And they shall bring all your brethren out of all nations for an offering unto the Lord, upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to My holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord"; "as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel to the house of the Lord. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against Me. For their worm shall not die, nor shall their fire be quenched"; "and they shall be an abhorrence unto all flesh.

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“That [he] says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure’: even saying to Jerusalem, ‘You shall be built’; and to the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”

• Isaiah 44:28

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Hi

Here is a link about Secondary midwayers and gives you an idea of where they come from

Link about the secondary midwayers

It gives you information of our helpers in the unseen world right on down through the ages. To get the whole flavour about them you should read the whole chapter.

The secondary midwayers were born in the North Eastern area of Iran. In the Zoroster religion they are called the Ahura Mazda. Since the advent of Jesus Christ the Secondary midwayers are united in there cause is to help man. It might explain why in the last 2000 years the planet has evloved very rapidly than before Christ. Becuase of the internment of the rebel midwayers that were resident.

I have no doubt that through working with man these secondary midwayers implanted truth in our books so that one day the embedded truth or mystery would unify with another new book The Urantia Book which unfies with the physical discoveries of our origins as written.

What a revelation! Thats propbably why we can see the markers and commonality amoungst all the books of the ages of religion of various cultures in relation to these discoveries.

Everyone has a piece of the truth and brought together though number symbols and aspects of Eden, Garden of the Gods or the ruins of Dalamatia makes this whole picture splendid with harmony.

here is an excerpt but you must read the whole paper.

 

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Many of the more literal phenomena ascribed to angels have been performed by the secondary midway creatures. When the early teachers of the gospel of Jesus were thrown into prison by the ignorant religious leaders of that day, an actual "angel of the Lord" "by night opened the prison doors and brought them forth." But in the case of Peter's deliverance after the killing of James by Herod's order, it was a secondary midwayer who performed the work ascribed to an angel.

Their chief work today is that of unperceived personal-liaison associates of those men and women who constitute the planetary reserve corps of destiny. It was the work of this secondary group, ably seconded by certain of the primary corps, that brought about the co-ordination of personalities and circumstances on Urantia which finally induced the planetary celestial supervisors to initiate those petitions that resulted in the granting of the mandates making possible the series of revelations of which this presentation is a part. But it should be made clear that the midway creatures are not involved in the sordid performances taking place under the general designation of "spiritualism." The midwayers at present on Urantia, all of whom are of honorable standing, are not connected with the phenomena of so-called "mediumship"; and they do not, ordinarily, permit humans to witness their sometimes necessary physical activities or other contacts with the material world, as they are perceived by human senses.

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The Midwayers

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Yes true but since Ive been talking about cups off the immortal elixir, Like Jamshids cup, the golden grail cup in English mythology, The cup mentioned below and all the truth unviveing itself with discoveries. I thought the following quote was pretty interesting.


 

Sounds like another cup reflecting eternal life.

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sevens

Hey here is something I found on judgement day in the Urantia Book. It has information about Mitharism which was taken over by Chrsitianity.

The Urantia Book Judgment day word search


 

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The adherents of this cult worshiped in caves and other secret places, chanting hymns, mumbling magic, eating the flesh of the sacrificial animals, and drinking the blood. Three times a day they worshiped, with special weekly ceremonials on the day of the sun-god and with the most elaborate observance of all on the annual festival of Mithras, December twenty-fifth. It was believed that the partaking of the sacrament ensured eternal life, the immediate passing, after death, to the bosom of Mithras, there to tarry in bliss until the judgment day. On the judgment day the Mithraic keys of heaven would unlock the gates of Paradise for the reception of the faithful; whereupon all the unbaptized of the living and the dead would be annihilated upon the return of Mithras to earth. It was taught that, when a man died, he went before Mithras for judgment, and that at the end of the world Mithras would summon all the dead from their graves to face the last judgment. The wicked would be destroyed by fire, and the righteous would reign with Mithras forever.


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2. Sleeping Survivors. All mortals of survival status, in the custody of personal guardians of destiny, pass through the portals of natural death and, on the third period, personalize on the mansion worlds. Those accredited beings who have, for any reason, been unable to attain that level of intelligence mastery and endowment of spirituality which would entitle them to personal guardians, cannot thus immediately and directly go to the mansion worlds. Such surviving souls must rest in unconscious sleep until the judgment day of a new epoch, a new dispensation, the coming of a Son of God to call the rolls of the age and adjudicate the realm, and this is the general practice throughout all Nebadon. It was said of Christ Michael that, when he ascended on high at the conclusion of his work on earth, "He led a great multitude of captives." And these captives were the sleeping survivors from the days of Adam to the day of the Master's resurrection on Urantia.

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It appears that Mithrarism also contained truth aspects of Jesus and what he did regarding the sleeping survivors at the termination of the Adamic Epoch.

It really quite fascinating this research.

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More about the Kingdom of Heaven


 

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4. JESUS' TEACHING ABOUT THE KINGDOM

Jesus never gave a precise definition of the kingdom. At one time he would discourse on one phase of the kingdom, and at another time he would discuss a different aspect of the brotherhood of God's reign in the hearts of men. In the course of this Sabbath afternoon's sermon Jesus noted no less than five phases, or epochs, of the kingdom, and they were:

1. The personal and inward experience of the spiritual life of the fellowship of the individual believer with God the Father.

Page 1863 2. The enlarging brotherhood of gospel believers, the social aspects of the enhanced morals and quickened ethics resulting from the reign of God's spirit in the hearts of individual believers.

3. The supermortal brotherhood of invisible spiritual beings which prevails on earth and in heaven, the superhuman kingdom of God.

4. The prospect of the more perfect fulfillment of the will of God, the advance toward the dawn of a new social order in connection with improved spiritual living--the next age of man.

5. The kingdom in its fullness, the future spiritual age of light and life on earth.

Wherefore must we always examine the Master's teaching to ascertain which of these five phases he may have reference to when he makes use of the term kingdom of heaven. By this process of gradually changing man's will and thus affecting human decisions, Michael and his associates are likewise gradually but certainly changing the entire course of human evolution, social and otherwise.

The Master on this occasion placed emphasis on the following five points as representing the cardinal features of the gospel of the kingdom:

1. The pre-eminence of the individual.

2. The will as the determining factor in man's experience.

3. Spiritual fellowship with God the Father.

4. The supreme satisfactions of the loving service of man.

5. The transcendency of the spiritual over the material in human personality.

This world has never seriously or sincerely or honestly tried out these dynamic ideas and divine ideals of Jesus' doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. But you should not become discouraged by the apparently slow progress of the kingdom idea on Urantia. Remember that the order of progressive evolution is subjected to sudden and unexpected periodical changes in both the material and the spiritual worlds. The bestowal of Jesus as an incarnated Son was just such a strange and unexpected event in the spiritual life of the world. Neither make the fatal mistake, in looking for the age manifestation of the kingdom, of failing to effect its establishment within your own souls.

Although Jesus referred one phase of the kingdom to the future and did, on numerous occasions, intimate that such an event might appear as a part of a world crisis; and though he did likewise most certainly, on several occasions, definitely promise sometime to return to Urantia, it should be recorded that he never positively linked these two ideas together. He promised a new revelation of the kingdom on earth and at some future time; he also promised sometime to come back to this world in person; but he did not say that these two events were synonymous. From all we know these promises may, or may not, refer to the same event.

His apostles and disciples most certainly linked these two teachings together. When the kingdom failed to materialize as they had expected, recalling the Master's teaching concerning a future kingdom and remembering his promise to come again, they jumped to the conclusion that these promises referred to an identical event; and therefore they lived in hope of his immediate second coming to establish the kingdom in its fullness and with power and glory. And so have

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The ideas and ideals of Jesus, embodied in the teaching of the gospel of the kingdom, nearly failed of realization as his followers progressively distorted his pronouncements. The Master's concept of the kingdom was notably modified by two great tendencies:

1. The Jewish believers persisted in regarding him as the Messiah. They believed that Jesus would very soon return actually to establish the world-wide and more or less material kingdom.

2. The gentile Christians began very early to accept the doctrines of Paul, which led increasingly to the general belief that Jesus was the Redeemer of the children of the church, the new and institutional successor of the earlier concept of the purely spiritual brotherhood of the kingdom.

The church, as a social outgrowth of the kingdom, would have been wholly natural and even desirable. The evil of the church was not its existence, but rather that it almost completely supplanted the Jesus concept of the kingdom. Paul's institutionalized church became a virtual substitute for the kingdom of heaven which Jesus had proclaimed.

But doubt not, this same kingdom of heaven which the Master taught exists within the heart of the believer, will yet be proclaimed to this Christian church, even as to all other religions, races, and nations on earth--even to every individual.

The kingdom of Jesus' teaching, the spiritual ideal of individual righteousness and the concept of man's divine fellowship with God, became gradually submerged into the mystic conception of the person of Jesus as the Redeemer-Creator and spiritual head of a socialized religious community. In this way a formal and institutional church became the substitute for the individually spirit-led brotherhood of the kingdom.

The church was an inevitable and useful social result of Jesus' life and teachings; the tragedy consisted in the fact that this social reaction to the teachings of the kingdom so fully displaced the spiritual concept of the real kingdom as Jesus taught and lived it.

Page 1865 The kingdom, to the Jews, was the Israelite community; to the gentiles it became the Christian church. To Jesus the kingdom was the sum of those individuals who had confessed their faith in the fatherhood of God, thereby declaring their wholehearted dedication to the doing of the will of God, thus becoming members of the spiritual brotherhood of man

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Hey Hi

here is something I found on judgement day in the Urantia Book. It has information about Mitharism which was taken over by Chrsitianity.

The Urantia Book Judgment day word search


 

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The adherents of this cult worshiped in caves and other secret places, chanting hymns, mumbling magic, eating the flesh of the sacrificial animals, and drinking the blood. Three times a day they worshiped, with special weekly ceremonials on the day of the sun-god and with the most elaborate observance of all on the annual festival of Mithras, December twenty-fifth. It was believed that the partaking of the sacrament ensured eternal life, the immediate passing, after death, to the bosom of Mithras, there to tarry in bliss until the judgment day. On the judgment day the Mithraic keys of heaven would unlock the gates of Paradise for the reception of the faithful; whereupon all the unbaptized of the living and the dead would be annihilated upon the return of Mithras to earth. It was taught that, when a man died, he went before Mithras for judgment, and that at the end of the world Mithras would summon all the dead from their graves to face the last judgment. The wicked would be destroyed by fire, and the righteous would reign with Mithras forever.


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2. Sleeping Survivors. All mortals of survival status, in the custody of personal guardians of destiny, pass through the portals of natural death and, on the third period, personalize on the mansion worlds. Those accredited beings who have, for any reason, been unable to attain that level of intelligence mastery and endowment of spirituality which would entitle them to personal guardians, cannot thus immediately and directly go to the mansion worlds. Such surviving souls must rest in unconscious sleep until the judgment day of a new epoch, a new dispensation, the coming of a Son of God to call the rolls of the age and adjudicate the realm, and this is the general practice throughout all Nebadon. It was said of Christ Michael that, when he ascended on high at the conclusion of his work on earth, "He led a great multitude of captives." And these captives were the sleeping survivors from the days of Adam to the day of the Master's resurrection on Urantia.

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It appears that Mithrarism also contained truth aspects of Jesus and what he did regarding the sleeping survivors at the termination of the Adamic Epoch. At pentecost alot happened that changed everything.

Its really quite fascinating this research.

here is something on the second coming

Second coming word search Urantia Book

 

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Of all the discourses which the Master gave his apostles, none ever became so confused in their minds as this one, given this Tuesday evening on the Mount of Olives, regarding the twofold subject of the destruction of Jerusalem and his own second coming. There was, therefore, little agreement between the subsequent written accounts based on the memories of what the Master said on this extraordinary occasion. Consequently, when the records were left blank concerning much that was said that Tuesday evening, there grew up many traditions; and very early in the second century a Jewish apocalyptic about the Messiah written by one Selta, who was attached to the court of the Emperor Caligula, was bodily copied into the Matthew Gospel and subsequently added (in part) to the Mark and Luke records. It was in these writings of Selta that the parable of the ten virgins appeared. No part of the gospel record ever suffered such confusing misconstruction as this evening's teaching. But the Apostle John never became thus confused

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Here is a gem

 

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Sooner or later another and greater John the Baptist is due to arise proclaiming "the kingdom of God is at hand" --meaning a return to the high spiritual concept of Jesus, who proclaimed that the kingdom is the will of his heavenly Father dominant and transcendent in the heart of the believer-- and doing all this without in any way referring either to the visible church on earth or to the anticipated second coming of Christ. There must come a revival of the actual teachings of Jesus, such a restatement as will undo the work of his early followers who went about to create a sociophilosophical system of belief regarding the fact of Michael's sojourn on earth. In a short time the teaching of this story about Jesus nearly supplanted the preaching of Jesus' gospel of the kingdom. In this way a historical religion displaced that teaching in which Jesus had blended man's highest moral ideas and spiritual ideals with man's most sublime hope for the future--eternal life. And that was the gospel of the kingdom.

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Remember this information comes from the united midwayers petitions to the Ancient of Days and the petition has manifested through the Urantia Book written by the united midwayers of which some of them come form North Eastern Iran and the primary midwayers that come from Dalamatia submerged of the Persian Gulf.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/overview.jpg

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/dalamatia_overview.htm


The Kingdom of Heaven Paper 170

What a colossal presentation of all proportions!!!!

From the Garden of Eden to the books and cups of the immortal elixer and the Javan aspect to Jamshid to the midwayers and there origins to seven.

Its just amazing. I find this completely a harmonised and perfect experience of discovery of the highest levels.


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I find the following very curious where Jesus speaks of world crisis and a new revelation and his second coming as 50/50 chance of it being the same event.


 

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Although Jesus referred one phase of the kingdom to the future and did, on numerous occasions, intimate that such an event might appear as a part of a world crisis; and though he did likewise most certainly, on several occasions, definitely promise sometime to return to Urantia, it should be recorded that he never positively linked these two ideas together. He promised a new revelation of the kingdom on earth and at some future time; he also promised sometime to come back to this world in person; but he did not say that these two events were synonymous. From all we know these promises may, or may not, refer to the same event.

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Consider everything in totality.

 

• The Discovery of Eden/Atlantis (Eastern Med of Cyprus)
  The Discovery of Dalamatia (Submerged Persian Gulf)
  The current research in all the BC/AD books of religion and myths giving up there gems in relation to the discoveries.
  The Urantia Book as the prime revelation as the new book written in the hands of Angels as mentioned in revelation.
  The various mystery surrounding the cups of holiness for example Jamshids cup and the golden grail myths not to mention other cups of myths.
  The commonality of all religions.
  The Research into the united midwayers and there physical origins.
  The Sevenfold links and parallels
  Personal experience of all involved.
  Interpretation of the scriptures
  Aztec and Inca parallels

As I research this more and more I would like to submit that this whole discovery and the research could be part of a major revelation that may lead to the advent of the second coming or a major obvious change.

Its a 50/50 chance and in my mind all the pieces seems to be forming a beautiful picture I cant see any reason for the second coming not to happen as all the pieces seem to be relevant and consistent.


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And all these speculations associated with the certainty of future appearances of both Magisterial and Trinity Teacher Sons, in conjunction with the explicit promise of the Creator Son to return sometime, make Urantia a planet of future uncertainty and render it one of the most interesting and intriguing spheres in all the universe of Nebadon. It is altogether possible that, in some future age when Urantia is approaching the era of light and life, after the affairs of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia secession have been finally adjudicated, we may witness the presence on Urantia, simultaneously, of Machiventa, Adam, Eve, and Christ Michael, as well as either a Magisterial Son or even Trinity Teacher Sons.

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And all these speculations associated with the certainty of future appearances of both Magisterial and Trinity Teacher Sons, in conjunction with the explicit promise of the Creator Son to return sometime, make Urantia a planet of future uncertainty and render it one of the most interesting and intriguing spheres in all the universe of Nebadon. It is altogether possible [QUOTE]that, in some future age when Urantia is approaching the era of light and life, after the affairs of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia secession have been finally adjudicated, we may witness the presence on Urantia, simultaneously, of Machiventa, Adam, Eve, and Christ Michael, as well as either a Magisterial Son or even Trinity Teacher Sons.

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And all these speculations associated with the certainty of future appearances of both Magisterial and Trinity Teacher Sons, in conjunction with the explicit promise of the Creator Son to return sometime, make Urantia a planet of future uncertainty and render it one of the most interesting and intriguing spheres in all the universe of Nebadon. It is altogether possible [quote]that, in some future age when Urantia is approaching the era of light and life, after the affairs of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia secession have been finally adjudicated, we may witness the presence on Urantia, simultaneously, of Machiventa, Adam, Eve, and Christ Michael, as well as either a Magisterial Son or even Trinity Teacher Sons.

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The time is ripe to witness the figurative resurrection of the human Jesus from his burial tomb amidst the theological traditions and the religious dogmas of nineteen centuries. Jesus of Nazareth must not be longer sacrificed to even the splendid concept of the glorified Christ. What a transcendent service if, through this revelation, the Son of Man should be recovered from the tomb of traditional theology and be presented as the living Jesus to the church that bears his name, and to all other religions! Surely the Christian fellowship of believers will not hesitate to make such adjustments of faith and of practices of living as will enable it to "follow after" the Master in the demonstration of his real life of religious devotion to the doing of his Father's will and of consecration to the unselfish service of man. Do professed Christians fear the exposure of a self-sufficient and unconsecrated fellowship of social respectability and selfish economic maladjustment? Does institutional Christianity fear the possible jeopardy, or even the overthrow, of traditional ecclesiastical authority if the Jesus of Galilee is reinstated in the minds and souls of mortal men as the ideal of personal religious living? Indeed, the social readjustments, the economic transformations, the moral rejuvenations, and the religious revisions of Christian civilization would be drastic and revolutionary if the living religion of Jesus should suddenly supplant the theologic religion about Jesus link


The great hope of Urantia lies in the possibility of a new revelation of Jesus with a new and enlarged presentation of his saving message which would spiritually unite in loving service the numerous families of his present-day professed followers.

Even secular education could help in this great spiritual renaissance if it would pay more attention to the work of teaching youth how to engage in life planning and character progression. The purpose of all education should be to foster and further the supreme purpose of life, the development of a majestic and well-balanced personality. There is great need for the teaching of moral discipline in the place of so much self-gratification. Upon such a foundation religion may contribute its spiritual incentive to the enlargement and enrichment of mortal life, even to the security and enhancement of life eternal.
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In further answer to Peter's question, Jesus said: "Why do you still look for the Son of Man to sit upon the throne of David and expect that the material dreams of the Jews will be fulfilled? Have I not told you all these years that my kingdom is not of this world? The things which you now look down upon are coming to an end, but this will be a new beginning out of which the gospel of the kingdom will go to all the world and this salvation will spread to all peoples. And when the kingdom shall have come to its full fruition be assured that the Father in heaven will not fail to visit you with an enlarged revelation of truth and an enhanced demonstration of righteousness,

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End ot the Ages search
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Hi Joer

I really liked your post I feel happy that your seeing some similar things.

The search for Eden started for me on a boat about 13 years ago after reading about Eden in the Urantia Book. Right there I had the desire and ever since its been evolving. Regarding the search for Eden in the books It started 4 years ago putting together a presentation on Plato and Atlantis using information out of discovery of Atlantis and the UB.

I started to wonder whether there were fragments or reflections in other books. I looked in Enoch and I could see reflections immediately. I looked in the Ugarit scripts and I could see fragments. From that find its been a search for Eden in the books. However in that time there has been intervals of preoccupation with other things.

Being an information search and journey of immense proportions I post it as I feel its important for man to know this immediately as its important to the destiny of mankind but equally forms an amazing mystery of the highest spiritual level and revives a greater appreciation of the books of religion stemming from different cultures.

The expedition and the book discovery of Atlantis by Robert Sarmast was an amazing event for me in my personal search. He really inspired me in his discovery of 1st Eden. That was a real boost.

As the expedition has moved so has this research in parallel in all different levels and areas in accordance to my thoughts and perceptions which includes a vast area of information. Its all ongoing and evolving that's one of keys of the mystery revealing on the run.

For me it forms a beautiful panorama of how vast and interconnected these discoveries are. In regards to using sevens I did that because I couldn't use my nickname because I lost the password and I thought sevenfoldbooks I thought of Sevens.


The greatest thrill for me was the 10 week, seventh part prophecy in Enoch. The discovery of Dalamatia in the seventh part of the prophecy which I proclaimed on the 4th of July. It was initially a 40 day test. I was annoyed with all that was happening in the world with all the wars and bombings and religion is a focus in it. Then suddenly I was thinking about the 40 years of the Israelites in the desert and Jesus 40 days in the wilderness and a 40 days period when the books will be written in Ezra which I found later. So there and there I declared the 40 day test to the Ancient Days, to Paradise and posted it. As I went on in the study I started to find the 70 and 7 day/s intervals which led to 21st August Jesus birthday and then started to find festivals in the same 7 time cycles with the relevant dates. Later on I discovered Enoch 10 week judgment and was harmonised in the same time sequence as all the other test/time periods and in date. During the sequence like a convergence in the test.

It was a very intense period with wars raging. However I was in the Seventh part of the prophecy and it was from there I was wandering what the seventh part was. At the time I was engaged in debate and was using NASA worldwind software. I was looking at some info in the Rig Veda and it gave a latitude of 28 but no longitude. of the "The White Island" Immediately I thought Dalamatia. At that time I downloaded NASA worldwind software and look around Bahrain but then in my mind I thought of up around Mesopotamia. I looked around the ancient coast and found the 10 or more divisions of the ancient city and then to the east I could se remnants of Dilmun probably the first. Near Iran. Mind you I looked for Dalamatia 2 years ago using Google earth but the bathymetric viewing is not that good. But I was on the right track as i found out later.

It was thrilling I copied images and made up a gallery and using the Urantia Book information and the Sumerian kinglist and information I found about Anduruna and Sumerian tablets and pictures of the tree of life and the Gods picking its fruit. It all painted a beautiful picture. The home of the Primary midwayers, The first place and I believe the first Sevenfold outpost of the Gods at that time. I feel its another part of the Urantia Book, the sevenfold instruction as mentioned in Enoch and in conjunction the Rig Veda and two other books at the time. I cant remember them now but it was all posted up there as it happened.

So for me that was the seventh part, the discovery of Dalamatia. By the way the angels that Enoch was trying to help out there, they come from this location. Mind you the rebellious midwayers are interned thanks to Jesus but the good ones are still here and are a part of this revealing. However in by discovering these things are we in state of activation? Unlocking the secrets and mysteries in the books. Has the key been unlocked the books and the great mystery through the discovery of our origins.

I have no idea to be honest. Its a faith journey day by day. But sometimes I do wonder at the prospect considering the conjunction of truth in word and in discovery and some obvious finale.

See what happens but I hope that gives you an insight into the journey.

Image of UB parallels
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/dalamatia.jpg

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/index.html

regards
sevens

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By working this miracle Mithras has fed them with nectar, procured the draught of the gods for them and endowed them with immortality. The stream which springs from the rock has become therefore a source of life-giving water in which the two brothers have found immortal refreshment, an ever-present reminder of the joys in store for those who participate in the mysteries.

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I liked this part. I think its a good study and gives an insight into the overlapping origins of Christianity from Mithra. Its interesting that Mithra evolved out of Iran and was adopted by the Roman soldiers.

Its an interesting study

regards
sevens

Im just coming back to this

 

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The midway culture , being the product of an immortal planetary citizenry, is relatively immune to those temporal vicissitudes which beset human civilization. The generations of men forget; the corps of midwayers remembers, and that memory is the treasure house of the traditions of your inhabited world.

particulary the following

Thus does the culture of a planet remain ever present on that planet, and in proper circumstances such treasured memories of past events are made available, even as the story of the life and teachings of Jesus has been given by the midwayers of Urantia to their cousins in the flesh.

especially this

 

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and that memory is the treasure house of the traditions of your inhabited world.

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and in proper circumstances such treasured memories of past events are made available,

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I think that is exactly what is happening now.

No doubt about it.

That was a huge find in the fantastic Urantia Book and describes this entire saga of discoveries in word and in the physical treasure houses on the planet.

I would say the treasure houses are open.

regards

sevens

You know I give thanks to the father of all for all these great discoveries.

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I thought the following information about Zoroaster was quite relevant to the study. Note: seven supreme gods with Ahura-Mazda and result of a dream


 

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6. THE SALEM DOCTRINES IN IRAN

From Palestine some of the Melchizedek missionaries passed on through Mesopotamia and to the great Iranian plateau. For more than five hundred years the Salem teachers made headway in Iran, and the whole nation was swinging to the Melchizedek religion when a change of rulers precipitated a bitter persecution which practically ended the monotheistic teachings of the Salem cult. The doctrine of the Abrahamic covenant was virtually extinct in Persia when, in that great century of moral renaissance, the sixth before Christ, Zoroaster appeared to revive the smouldering embers of the Salem gospel.

This founder of a new religion was a virile and adventurous youth, who, on his first pilgrimage to Ur in Mesopotamia, had learned of the traditions of the Caligastia and the Lucifer rebellion--along with many other traditions--all of which had made a strong appeal to his religious nature. Accordingly, as the result of a dream while in Ur, he settled upon a program of returning to his northern home to undertake the remodeling of the religion of his people. He had imbibed the Hebraic idea of a God of justice, the Mosaic concept of divinity. The idea of a supreme God was clear in his mind, and he set down all other gods as devils, consigned them to the ranks of the demons of which he had heard in Mesopotamia. He had learned of the story of the Seven Master Spirits as the tradition lingered in Ur, and, accordingly, he created a galaxy of seven supreme gods with Ahura-Mazda at its head. These subordinate gods he associated with the idealization of Right Law, Good Thought, Noble Government, Holy Character, Health, and Immortality.

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Zoroaster

and about post rebellion Dalamatia

 

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The postrebellion era on Urantia witnessed many unusual happenings. A great civilization--the culture of Dalamatia--was going to pieces. "The Nephilim (Nodites) were on earth in those days, and when these sons of the gods went in to the daughters of men and they bore to them, their children were the `mighty men of old,' the `men of renown.'" While hardly "sons of the gods," the staff and their early descendants were so regarded by the evolutionary mortals of those distant days; even their stature came to be magnified by tradition. This, then, is the origin of the well-nigh universal folk tale of the gods who came down to earth and there with the daughters of men begot an ancient race of heroes. And all this legend became further confused with the race mixtures of the later appearing Adamites in the second garden.

Link

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sevens

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Hi

I thought the following information about Zoroaster was quite relevant to the study. Note: seven supreme gods with Ahura-Mazda and result of a dream


 

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6. THE SALEM DOCTRINES IN IRAN

From Palestine some of the Melchizedek missionaries passed on through Mesopotamia and to the great Iranian plateau. For more than five hundred years the Salem teachers made headway in Iran, and the whole nation was swinging to the Melchizedek religion when a change of rulers precipitated a bitter persecution which practically ended the monotheistic teachings of the Salem cult. The doctrine of the Abrahamic covenant was virtually extinct in Persia when, in that great century of moral renaissance, the sixth before Christ, Zoroaster appeared to revive the smouldering embers of the Salem gospel.

This founder of a new religion was a virile and adventurous youth, who, on his first pilgrimage to Ur in Mesopotamia, had learned of the traditions of the Caligastia and the Lucifer rebellion--along with many other traditions--all of which had made a strong appeal to his religious nature. Accordingly, as the result of a dream while in Ur, he settled upon a program of returning to his northern home to undertake the remodeling of the religion of his people. He had imbibed the Hebraic idea of a God of justice, the Mosaic concept of divinity. The idea of a supreme God was clear in his mind, and he set down all other gods as devils, consigned them to the ranks of the demons of which he had heard in Mesopotamia. He had learned of the story of the Seven Master Spirits as the tradition lingered in Ur, and, accordingly, he created a galaxy of seven supreme gods with Ahura-Mazda at its head. These subordinate gods he associated with the idealization of Right Law, Good Thought, Noble Government, Holy Character, Health, and Immortality.

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Zoroaster

and about post rebellion Dalamatia

 

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The postrebellion era on Urantia witnessed many unusual happenings. A great civilization--the culture of Dalamatia--was going to pieces. "The Nephilim (Nodites) were on earth in those days, and when these sons of the gods went in to the daughters of men and they bore to them, their children were the `mighty men of old,' the `men of renown.'" While hardly "sons of the gods," the staff and their early descendants were so regarded by the evolutionary mortals of those distant days; even their stature came to be magnified by tradition. This, then, is the origin of the well-nigh universal folk tale of the gods who came down to earth and there with the daughters of men begot an ancient race of heroes. And all this legend became further confused with the race mixtures of the later appearing Adamites in the second garden.

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and words of Jesus

 

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the actual and living experience of loving men and serving them, even as I have loved and served you. Let faith reveal your light to the world; let the revelation of truth open the eyes blinded by tradition; let your loving service effectually destroy the prejudice engendered by ignorance. By so drawing close to your fellow men in understanding sympathy and with unselfish devotion, you will lead them into a saving knowledge of the Father's love

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sevens

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Hi

Here is key word search on treasure in the fantastic Urantia Book.

Treasure search

Here is gems from Jesus

 

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"And it is in this way that the sons of this world sometimes show more wisdom in their preparation for the future than do the children of light. I say to you who profess to be acquiring treasure in heaven: Take lessons from those who make friends with the mammon of unrighteousness, and likewise so conduct your lives that you make eternal friendship with the forces of righteousness in order that, when all things earthly fail, you shall be joyfully received into the eternal habitations.


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"I affirm that he who is faithful in little will also be faithful in much, while he who is unrighteous in little will also be unrighteous in much. If you have not shown foresight and integrity in the affairs of this world, how can you hope to be faithful and prudent when you are trusted with the stewardship of the true riches of the heavenly kingdom? If you are not good stewards and faithful bankers, if you have not been faithful in that which is another's, who will be foolish enough to give you great treasure in your own name?

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"Simon, some persons are naturally more happy than others. Much, very much, depends upon the willingness of man to be led and directed by the Father's spirit which lives within him. Have you not read in the Scriptures the words of the wise man, `The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts'? And also that such spirit-led mortals say: `The lines are fallen to me in pleasant places; yes, I have a goodly heritage.' `A little that a righteous man has is better than the riches of many wicked,' for `a good man shall be satisfied from within himself.' `A merry heart makes a cheerful countenance and is a continual feast. Better is a little with the reverence of the Lord than great treasure and trouble therewith. Better is a dinner of herbs where love is than a fatted ox and hatred therewith. Better is a little with righteousness than great revenues without rectitude.' `A merry heart does good like a medicine.' `Better is a handful with composure than a superabundance with sorrow and vexation of spirit.'

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Trust all matters of mind beyond the dead level of consciousness to the custody of the Adjusters. In due time, if not in this world then on the mansion worlds, they will give good account of their stewardship, and eventually will they bring forth those meanings and values intrusted to their care and keeping. They will resurrect every worthy treasure of the mortal mind if you survive.

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"The kingdom of heaven is also like a treasure hidden in a field, which a man discovered. In his joy he went forth to sell all he had that he might have the money to buy the field."

"The kingdom of heaven is also like a merchant seeking goodly pearls; and having found one pearl of great price,he went out and sold everything he possessed that he might be able to buy the extraordinary pearl.

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The right to enter the kingdom is conditioned by faith, personal belief. The cost of remaining in the progressive ascent of the kingdom is the pearl of great price, in order to possess which a man sells all that he has.

The teaching of Jesus is a religion for everybody, not alone for weaklings and slaves. His religion never became crystallized (during his day) into creeds and theological laws; he left not a line of writing behind him. His life and teachings were bequeathed the universe as an inspirational and idealistic inheritance suitable for the spiritual guidance and moral instruction of all ages on all worlds. And even today, Jesus' teaching stands apart from all religions, as such, albeit it is the living hope of every one of them. link


 

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I thought that was really profitable.

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sevens

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The presence of these extraordinary supermen and superwomen, stranded by rebellion and presently mating with the sons and daughters of earth, easily gave origin to those traditional stories of the gods coming down to mate with mortals. And thus originated the thousand and one legends of a mythical nature, but founded on the facts of the postrebellion days, which later found a place in the folk tales and traditions of the various peoples whose ancestors had participated in these contacts with the Nodites and their descendants


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sevens

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Hi
Here is link to interesting information that looks into Mitharism.


http://www.farvardyn.com/mithras2.php
 

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The Mithraic priests gave even more weight to Saturn than Neptunus-Oceanus, since Saturn was equated with the Titan Kronos, who was in turn identified with Chronos, the god of Eternal Time, the Persian Zervan, and the Greek Aion. Mithras too was represented as the youthful God of Time while as Sun-god he directed the course of the sun through the zodiac. In other words, Mithras is Saturn and Oceanus as well and thus the creator of both fertility and water. That is why the leader of each Mithraic community, the Father, Mithras's representative on earth, was placed under the special protection of Saturn, regards
as can be seen at Santa Prisca; one of the attributes of the Father is a sickle. Saturn received the wreath from the hands of Victory and this same wreath adorns many inscriptions relating to the Pater.

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I wonder if this a reflection of Van embedded in the religion of Mithra.

Which was replaced by Chrsitianity.

Here is another link on Shervan or is it Van?

http://fimenet.8m.com/zervan.htm

this was interesting

 

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As far as the Persian texts are concerned, three different aspects of the Time-god must be distinguished. According to the orthodox teaching of Zarathushtra, Zervan is a creature of Ahura-Mazda, the God of Good. According to a second theory, however, there were originally two archetypes, that of Good and that of Evil. A separate Sassanid sect regarded Zervan Akarana, Infinite Time, as the cause and the source of all things. Ahura-Mazda and Ahriman both sprang from Zervan and were subject to him, and the followers of this cult called themselves Zervanists. It seems plausible that the same Zervan, after having undergone all kinds of foreign influences, was admitted into the Mithraic pantheon and that the figure with the lion's head is none other than Zervan who, by means of a put on Chronos (Time), was identified in the Greek texts with Kronos and, in the Roman world, with Saturn.

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http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions/iranian/mithraism/m_m/pt6.htm
 

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The sevenfold windings of the snake are definitely connected with the planets and the coils themselves indicate the course of the sun through the zodiac. The sun has thus become part of the god; he is the sun determining time in its course. He dominates the zodiac and as such is Chronos, Time. But he is also the ruler over the four winds, represented by his four wings. He is known to order the seasons too, and again he does this both in his role as Sol and in his role as Time. We are reminded of the figure of Caelus, the god of heaven/s

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In the following centuries, Mazdism remained established as an authoritarian Persian religion. Yet it is a strange thing that whenever the human mind and spirit has been confronted with duality, it has always sort and erected unity. Thus it was that the dualistic Mazdean theology came to be supplanted by a monistic religion called Zervanism. The Zervanites taught that both Light and Dark, Good and Evil, Ormazdh and Ahriman, emerge from a higher, unitary, Godhead principle, called Zervan akarana "boundless or infinite time". This is contrasted with this the character of this cosmos, which is "Time of long duration". Although things here might last a long time, they are not eternal. The Zervanite metaphysicians distinguished between temporal or cosmic time and eternity or Limitless Time. From Zervan proceeded a number of other emanations, which formed a tetrad (four-fold grouping) or series of tetrads.

This then was a religion of great profundity, and one which for a time was very successful. In the Hellenistic world, Zervan came to be known as Aion (Aeon), and was identified also with Chronos or Saturnus (Time) [Franz Cumont, The Mysteries of Mithra, Dover, p.107].

In all probability it was from Zervanism, with its idea of the Absolute as "Eternity", that the Gnostic theosophy of Aeons developed. In a sense then, Zervanism, with its idea of a transcendent Godhead from which proceed further emanations, and its contrast between the serene realm of light above and the world of conflict and contrast here, was the earliest sect of Gnosticism.


 

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http://www.kheper.net/topics/Gnosticism/Zoroastrianism_Mazdism_and_Zervanism.htm

Im focusing on the word AEON.

I found reference to the AEON in the 2 Book of Enoch.

So from Van through to Shervan, then in Greece Shervan becomes the AEON and this AEON is found in the 2book of Enoch

 

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2Enoch 65: 6There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the Lord’s great judgment, shall be collected in the great aeon, for the righteous the great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness, nor humiliation, nor anxiety, nor need, nor brutality, nor night, nor darkness, but great light.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/2enoch_65.htm

I feel there are some very interesting clues there that links Van to the AEON, mithra and the book of Enoch of all books.

Here is another discovery of the Aeon found in the book of Toth

 

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Then to me spoke HE of NINE saying:
Aeons and aeons have I existed,
knowing not LIFE and tasting not death.
For know ye. O man, that far in the future,
life and death shall be one with the ALL.


and this


THE GARDEN OF THE PROPHET

“There are moments that hold aeons of separation. Yet parting is naught but an exhaustion of the mind. Perhaps we have not parted.”

Here is omething about Chronos out of the wikipedia

In Greek mythology, Chronos (Χρόνος in Greek) in pre-Socratic philosophical works is said to be the personification of time. He emerged from the primordial Chaos. He is often mythologically confused with the Titan Cronus (Κρόνος in Greek).

He was depicted in Greco-Roman mosaics as a man turning the zodiac wheel. Often the figure is named Aeon (Eternal Time), a common alternate name for the god. His name actually means "Time", and is alternatively spelled Khronos (transliteration of the Greek), Chronos, Chronus (Latin version). Some of the current English words which show a tie to khronos/chronos and the attachment to time are chronology, chronic, and chronicle.

In astronomy, the planet we now call Saturn because of Roman influence was called Khronos by the Greeks.[verification needed] It was the outermost planet god/deity, and was considered the seventh[ of the seven heavenly objects that are visible with the naked eye. Given that it had the longest observable repeatable period in the sky, which is currently around 30 years, it was thought to be the keeper of time, or Father Time, since no other objects had been seen or recorded to have a longer period. That is why it is often depicted as an elderly man with a long gray beard, as mentioned above
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos


http://essenes.net/m83.htm
http://essenes.net/m83.htm#preface
Zoroaster is said to have travelled to Anatolia, the Asian peninsula south of the Black sea that is now Turkey, but in the seventh century BC was Ionian Greek in the West, Lydian in the centre and bordered Assyria in the east, with Persia beyond. If this is more than mere legend, it offers the possibility of a direct Zoroastrian influence on the Greek philosophy of the Ionians, like Pythagoras of Samos and Thales of Miletus. In dealing with pre-Socratic thought, A N Marlow tells us we find ourselves in an atmosphere more akin to that of the Orient than to that of the West. An indirect influence seems certain.

Pythagoras was said to have learnt from the Magi of Babylon, and the Neo-Pythagoreans' doctrines of immortality and dualism owed much to Magian belief. Plato mentions Zoroaster in Alcibiades, describing him as a son of Oromazdes—the God Ormuzd. Since Persian tradition says Zoroaster travelled both to India and China, an influence of Persian religion on Buddhism and Chinese philosophies is also likely. These suggestions are not to disparage the marvellous inventiveness of the Greeks, the Indians or the Chinese, but the remarkable blossoming of religious and philosophical sentiment from the sixth century BC might have had a common seed, and that seed might have been Persia, in the center of all these astonishing changes, and the base of Zoroaster, who preceded the other great men of the time


 

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Thats interesting Shirvan/AEON/Chronos all means time, eternal time and represented in the main cultures.

We seem to be closer to Adamsons culture and the Greeks in making the connections and parallels.

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Again we see the seventh part this same verse is also found after the 10 week in enoch prophecy.

 

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2Enoch 66

8Blessed are the just who shall escape the great judgment, for they shall shine forth more than the sun sevenfold, for in this world the seventh part is taken off from all, light, darkness, food, enjoyment, sorrow, paradise, torture, fire, frost, and other things; he put all down in writing, that you might read and understand. http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/2enoch66.htm

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Currently depicting the current state of the planet I would say. Note the sevenfold and the seventh part connection and "That you might read and understand". Certainly seems to be an obvious clue given to us with all the key words of the research. You know Isaiah says the same thing

 

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Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days , in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_30.htm#26
 

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Is this giving us a clue within the current conversation? We are literaly seeing the same clue here buy 2 important prophetical personalities. Again we see sevenfold, seven and a relationship to judgement or something obvious.

Kinda makes you think. Also consider when Dalamatia was discovered that was in the seventh part of Enochs 10 week judgement process. Dalamatia, home of the immortals before the rebellion where the sevenfold representatives of this planet. The physical link between heaven and Earth. The home of the sevenfold.

Gee the preceding verse looks even more interesting, the seventh verse

 

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2Enoch 66 7Walk, my children, in long-suffering, in meekness, honesty, in provocation, in grief, in faith and in truth, in reliance on promises, in illness, in abuse, in wounds, in temptation, in nakedness, in privation, loving one another, till you go out from this age of ills, that you become inheritors of endless time.

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and then you have this

 

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1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,

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When it rain it pours in the seven/s/th really paints a picture when you connect the sevens or the sevenfold.

Here is the 10 week and the seventh part in Encohs 10 week judgment

 

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15 And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,
There shall be the great eternal judgement,
In which He will execute vengeance amongst the angels

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(Dalamatia the original physical home of the Sevenfold. discovered 16-17th September around midnight. I believe this is the Seventh Part, the discovery of the Sevenfold? But I sense if this is all correct that it could be an impending sign. Possibly.

then look at the next verse

 

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16 And the first heaven shall depart and pass away,
And a new heaven shall appear,
And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.

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Like the first heaven is exactly what Dalamatia represents, the first place, the first headquarters of the immortals where born and lived of the tree of life. The place where the rebellion occurred.

But then it follows that a new heaven shall appear of give of sevenfold light. Does that mean the discoveries of new and old truth forming a conjunction in truth likw what we are experincing. This truth discovered has sevenfold all over it. Is this a sign pointing to where we are at right know as this journey evolves and to what it pointing to in reality.
Hi

Again we see the seventh part this same verse is also found after the 10 week in enoch prophecy.

 

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2Enoch 66

8Blessed are the just who shall escape the great judgment, for they shall shine forth more than the sun sevenfold, for in this world the seventh part is taken off from all, light, darkness, food, enjoyment, sorrow, paradise, torture, fire, frost, and other things; he put all down in writing, that you might read and understand. http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/2enoch66.htm

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Currently depicting the current state of the planet I would say. Note the sevenfold and the seventh part connection and "That you might read and understand". Certainly seems to be an obvious clue given to us with all the key words of the research. You know Isaiah says the same thing

 

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Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days , in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_30.htm#26
 

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Is this giving us a clue within the current conversation? We are literaly seeing the same clue here buy 2 important prophetical personalities. Again we see sevenfold, seven and a relationship to judgement or something obvious.

Kinda makes you think. Also consider when Dalamatia was discovered that was in the seventh part of Enochs 10 week judgement process. Dalamatia is the home of the immortals, before the rebellion. Its the place where the sevenfold representatives of this planet lived. The physical link between Heaven and Earth. The home of the sevenfold.

Gee the preceding verse looked even more interesting, the seventh verse

 

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2Enoch 66 7 Walk, my children, in long-suffering, in meekness, honesty, in provocation, in grief, in faith and in truth, in reliance on promises, in illness, in abuse, in wounds, in temptation, in nakedness, in privation, loving one another, till you go out from this age of ills, that you become inheritors of endless time.

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and then you have this

 

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1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation, http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/enochs_judgement.htm
 

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When it rain it pours in the seven/s/th really paints a picture when you connect the sevens or the sevenfold.

Here is the 10 week and the seventh part in Encohs 10 week judgment

 

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15 And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,

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(Dalamatia the original physical home of the Sevenfold. discovered 16-17th September around midnight. I believe this is the Seventh Part, the discovery of the Sevenfold? But I sense if this is all correct it could be an impending sign. Possibly.

then look at the next verse

 

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16 And the first heaven shall depart and pass away,
And a new heaven shall appear,
And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.

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Like the first heaven is exactly what Dalamatia represents, the first place, the first headquarters of the immortals. The immortals where born in Dalamatia and lived of the tree of life. The place is where the rebellion occurred. The old!

But then it follows that a new heaven shall appear of give of sevenfold light. Does that mean the discoveries of new and old truth thus forming a conjunction which is the sevenfold truth aspect arising? This truth discovered has sevenfold all over it. Is this a sign pointing to where we are at right now as this journey evolves and to what its pointing to in reality.

this part is interesting

 

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And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.

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And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light. Does this mean all the truth that is appearing in what we are actually seeing before our eyes in discovery? Could it be possible that by the discovery of Dalamatia final judgement or adjudication of the rebels has been activated.

As the old is passing away with the new truth appearing. I wouldnt be surprised looking at everything and I have no doubt this involves the Ancient of Days.

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sevens

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Im trying find more information about legend of the tree of life and the associations with all the holy grails and parallels of east and west

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About 3,500 years ago, a migratory, cattle-herding people crossed over the high passes from what is now Afghanistan and discovered the rich plains of the Indian subcontinent. They came from the same stock as most of the present-day Europeans and originated, it is thought, on the steppes between the Caucasus Mountains and the Caspian Sea. Their name for themselves was Arya, which means "noble" or "hospitable". We know little of them before this point in their history but when they reached India they began to write. They wrote down their sacred songs, about the Gods and about soma: the celestial drink which conferred immortality upon the Gods and by means of which mere mortals become Gods.
http://www.takeourword.com/urine.html

here is another link from a different angle
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some nice art

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http://www.pyracantha.com/ameshas.html

Saoshyant

Saoshyant is in Zoroastrianism the World Savior. During the period which was the dark years of the religion the belief in a savior emerged. Gathic passages suggest Zoroaster was filled with a sense of the imminent end of the world which caused him to envision Ahura Mazda sending "a man who is better than a good man" (Y 43.3), the Saoshyant, literally meaning "one who will bring benefit," who will possess revealed truth and will lead humanity in the final battle against evil. It is probable that Zoroaster realized that he was not going to live to see the age of Frasho-kereti. His followers ardently clung to this expectation, coming to believe that Saoshyant would come from the prophet's own seed, miraculously preserved in the depths of a lake (identified as Lake Kasaoya). When the end of time approaches, it is said, a virgin will bathe in this lake and become with child by the prophet, and she will in due course bear a son, named Astvat-ereta, "He who embodies righteousness" (after Zoroaster's own words: "My righteousness embodied" Y 43.16).


Kalki

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For other meanings see Kalki (disambiguation)

In Hindu traditions, Kalki (कल्कि) (also rendered by some as Kalkin and Kalaki) is the tenth and final Maha Avatara (great incarnation) of Vishnu the Preserver, who will come to end the current Kali Yuga, (The Age of Darkness and Destruction). The name Kalki is often a metaphor for "Eternity" or "Time". The origins of the name probably lie in the word Kalka which refers to "dirt", "filth" or "foulness" and hence denotes the "Destroyer of Foulness", "Destroyer of Confusion", "Destroyer of Darkness", or "The Annihilator of Ignorance". In Hindi kal ki avatar means "tomorrow's incarnation". Other similar and divergent interpretations (based on varying etymological derivations from the ancient Sanskrit language, —including one simply meaning "White Horse") have been made.[1]


Maitreya
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The Bodhisattva Maitreya, 2nd century, Greco-Buddhist art of Gandhara.
The Bodhisattva Maitreya, 2nd century, Greco-Buddhist art of Gandhara.
Names
Sanskrit: मैत्रेय
(Maitreya)
Pāli: मैत्तेय
(Metteyya)
Chinese Name: 彌勒菩薩
(Mílè Púsa)
Japanese Name: 弥勒菩薩
(Miroku Bosatsu)
Vietnamese Name: Di-lặc Bồ Tát
Tibetan Name: byams pa
Korean Name: 미륵보살
(Mirug Bosal)
Thai Name: ศรีอรายะ เมตไตรย์
(Sriaraya Mettrai)

Maitreya Bodhisattva (Sanskrit), Metteyya Bodhisatta (Pāli), or Miroku Bosatsu (Japanese, kanji 弥勒) is the future Buddha in Buddhist eschatology. Maitreya is a Bodhisattva whom some Buddhists believe will eventually appear on earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure dharma. Maitreya Bodhisattva will be the successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. He is predicted to be a “world-ruler,” uniting those over whom he rules. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (Theravāda, Mahāyāna and Vajrayāna) and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an actual event that will take place in the distant future

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Hi Since you mention Clieto.

I kinda think that the whole hierachy are the personalities that we cant see but have been around from the ancient times. Termed the midwayers.

Here is an extract from an essay

http://www.fbrt.org.uk/pages/essays/essay-enoch.html


 

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Ancient myth refers to Enoch as the Phoenix King (i.e. Atlas). His country, Atlantis, is also known as Phoenicia, the land of the phoenixes. Atlas was the eldest son of the great god Poseidon and a mortal woman, Cleito, daughter of Evenor and Leucippe. He was the eldest of ten sons, comprising five pairs of twins. Atlas married Pleione, also known as Hesperis, daughter of Atlas' brother, Hesperus. Pleione was the Phoenix Queen. By her Atlas had thirteen daughters – the seven Pleiades, the five Hyades, and the nymph Calypso. Symbolically, the Pleiades were represented as phoenixes or doves, whilst the Hyades were represented as pigs. Maia, the eldest of the seven Pleiades (and equated with Persephone), was wooed by Zeus and subsequently gave birth to a son called Dionysus, who was, like his grandfather, also referred to as Hermes or Mercury.

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I wonder whether the reflection above is just reflection of the below handed down through generations and cultures.

 

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web page
6. THE SECONDARY MIDWAYERS

While the primary midwayers had a well-nigh superhuman origin, the secondary order are the offspring of the pure Adamic stock united with a humanized descendant of ancestors common to the parentage of the senior corps.

Among the children of Adamson there were just sixteen of the peculiar progenitors of the secondary midwayers. These unique children were equally divided as regards sex, and each couple was capable of producing a secondary midwayer every seventy days by a combined technique of sex and nonsex liaison. And such a phenomenon was never possible on earth before that time, nor has it ever occurred since.

These sixteen children lived and died (except for their peculiarities) as mortals of the realm, but their electrically energized offspring live on and on, not being subject to the limitations of mortal flesh.

Each of the eight couples eventually produced 248 midwayers, and thus did the original secondary corps--1,984 in number--come into existence. There are eight subgroups of secondary midwayers. They are designated as a-b-c the first, second, third, and so on. And then there are d-e-f the first, second, and so on.

After the default of Adam the primary midwayers returned to the service of the Melchizedek receivers, while the secondary group were attached to the Adamson center until his death. Thirty-three of these secondary midwayers,

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I wonder whether Adamson and Ratta is represented as (Posiden as Adam, Atlas as Adamson and Clieto as Ratta)

The above seems to have all the connections and Parallels and demonstrates an unusual progeny and in my mind is a direct reflection of this ancient family as reflected in Greek mythology, the family of the Gods and unseen but are very much involved in the planet. I believe Greek mythology is the story of the Midwayer family.
web page

another tidbit

 

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Presently Greece and the Aegean Islands region succeeded Mesopotamia and Egypt as the Occidental center of trade, art, and culture. But as it was in Egypt, so again practically all of the art and science of the Aegean world was derived from Mesopotamia except for the culture of the Adamsonite forerunners of the Greeks. All the art and genius of these latter people is a direct legacy of the posterity of Adamson, the first son of Adam and Eve, and his extraordinary second wife, a daughter descended in an unbroken line from the pure Nodite staff of Prince Caligastia. No wonder the Greeks had mythological traditions that they were directly descended from gods and superhuman beings

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web page

Egyptian Book of the dead, The Seven Gods.

Thou keepest the hidden things of the avenger of the god, thou guardest them. Amam is his name. He maketh the ash trees (cedars) not to grow, and the shenu trees (acacias) not to blossom, and preventeth copper from being found in the mountain. The Tchatcha (Chiefs) of this Pylon are Seven Gods.

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hi

 

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Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Isaiah 46.9

and (the book of Adam and Eve)

6 Then will I in mercy save your soul and the souls of the righteous, to give them rest in My garden. (1steden/Dalamatia) And that shall be when the end of the world is come.

and

The gospel of Thomas 18 declares

"Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death,"

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/jesus_prophecy.htm
 

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Seems all very obvious considering the ancient places or foundations discovered.

sevens

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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:38 pm    Post subject:   book of adam and eve



 

very intruiging, the seven weeks and the 50th day?? with the fiftieth day as the new day.


Im just looking at the date 21st. I find it interesting that this date 21st is very important. I wonder if this a reflection of the Magi knowing the birth of Jesus on the 21st (The Urantia Book date) and kept alive somehow. They would of known the date. Its interesting to see a parallel in that actual date 21st?

Here is an exceprt on the

 

Thay is a very interesting find.

regards sevens

sevens

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Here is something about the Book of Toth and about the authors of various translation. Apparently the Book of Toth came from the Emarald Tablets.


 

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wikipedia

The oldest documentable source for the text is the Kitab Sirr al-Asrar, a pseudo-Aristotelian compendium of advice for rulers authored by Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani in around 800 AD. This work was translated into Latin as Secretum Secretorum (The Secret of Secrets) by Johannes "Hispalensis" or Hispaniensis (John of Seville) ca. 1140 and by Philip of Tripoli c. 1243.

In the 14th century, the alchemist Ortolanus wrote a substantial exegesis on "The Secret of Hermes," which was influential on the subsequent development of alchemy. Many manuscripts of this copy of the Emerald Tablet and the commentary of Ortolanus survive, dating at least as far back as the 15th century.

The Tablet has also been found appended to manuscripts of the Kitab Ustuqus al-Uss al-Thani (Second Book of the Elements of Foundation) attributed to Jabir ibn Hayyan, and the Kitab Sirr al-Khaliqa wa San`at al-Tabi`a ("Book of the Secret of Creation and the Art of Nature"), dated between 650 and 830 AD

here is another extract

C.G. Jung identified "The Emerald Tablet" with a table made of green stone which he encountered in the first of a set of his dreams and visions beginning at the end of 1912, and climaxing in his writing the Seven Sermons to the Dead in 1916

apparently Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jelani a renown Sufi is the person who was resposible for the earliest translation of these texts.


Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jelani (Persian: عبد القادرگیلانی‎ , Arabic: عبد القادر الجيلانى‎) or Moulay Abdelkader al-Jilali (esp. in Maghreb countries) (1078-1166) was a noted Hanbali preacher, Sufi sheikh and the eponymous founder of the Qadiri Sufi order (selsela). He was born in Ramadan AH 470 (about AD 1078), in the Persian province of Gilan (Iran) south of the Caspian sea . His contribution and renown in the sciences of Sufism and Sharia was so immense that he became known as the spiritual pole of his time, al-Gauth al Azam (the "Supreme Helper" or the "Mightiest Succor"). His writings were similar to those of al-Ghazali in that they dealt with both the fundamentals of Islam and the mystical experience of Sufism.

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Lets see if we can find any relevant clues in the Seven sermons to the dead!

 

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http://altreligion.about.com/library/texts/bl_sevensermons.htm

Sermon 4

The dead filled the place murmuring and said; Tell us of gods and devils, accursed one! The god-suun is the highest good, the devil its opposite. Thus have ye two gods. But there are many high and good things and many great evils. Among these are two god-devils; the one is the Burning One , the other the Growing One. The burning one is EROS, who hath the form of flame. Flame giveth light because it consumeth. The growing one is the TREE OF LIFE.. It buddeth, as in growing it heapeth up living stuff. Eros flameth up and dieth. But the tree of life groweth with slow and constant increase through unmeasured time. Good and evil are united in the flame. Good and evil are united in the increase of the tree. In their divinity stand life and love opposed. Innumerable as the host of the stars is the number of gods and devils. Each star is a god, and each space that a star filleth is a devil. But the empty-fullness of the whole is the pleroma. The operation of the whole is Abraxas, to whom only the ineffective standeth opposed. Four is the number of the principal gods, as four is the number of the world's measurements. One is the beginning, the god-sun. Two is Eros; for he bindeth twain together and outspreadeth himself in brightness. Three is the Tree of Life, for it filleth space with bodily forms. Four is the devil, for he openeth all that is closed. All that is formed of bodily nature doth he dissolve; he is the destroyer in whom everything is brought to nothing.

here is more

Equalities shall prevail not for god, but only for the sake of man. For the gods are many, whilst men are few. The gods are mighty and can endure their manifoldness. For like the stars they abide in solitude, parted one from the other by immense distances. Therefore they dwell together and need communion, that they may bear their separateness. For redemtion's sake I teach you the rejected truth, for the sake of which I was rejected. The multiplicity of the gods correspondeth to the multiplicity of man. Numberless gods await the human state. Numberless gods have been men. Man shareth in nature of the gods. He cometh from the gods and goeth unto god. Thus, just as it serveth not to reflect upon the plerome, it availeth not to worship the multiplicity of the gods. Least of all availeth it to worship the first god, the effective abundance and the summum bonum.. By our prayer we can add to it nothing, and from it nothing take; because the effective void swalloweth all. The bright gods form the celestial world. It is manifold and infinitely spreading and increasing. The god-sun is the supreme lord of the world. The dark gods form the earth-world. They are simple and infinitely diminishing and declining. The devil is the earth-world's lowest lord, the moon-spirit, satellite of the earth, smaller, colder, and more dead than the earth. There is no difference between the might of the celestial gods and those of the earth. The celestial gods magnify, the earth-gods diminish. Measurelesss is the movement of both.
 

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Quite fascinating considering the current study however there was some stuff that I lost interest in.

Here is a link about Toth

 

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web page

The ancient Egyptians regarded Thoth as One, self-begotten, and self-produced.[33] He was the master of both physical and moral (ie. Divine) law,[34] making proper use of Ma'at.[35] He is credited with making the calculations for the establishment of the heavens, stars, Earth[36], and everything in them

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"...the Nile's realm in the days before Thoth built the greatest of the
Pyramids to repose sciences when, following the Age of Ice, the time of
great inundations drenched the land of the Kemi and damaged the Great
Sphinx... "

here is keyword search on bright ones

 

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The Sumerians never called the Anunnaki, 'gods.' They were called din.gir, a two-syllable word. 'Din' meant 'righteous, pure, bright;' 'gir' was a term used to describe a sharp-edged object. As an epithet for the Anunnaki 'dingir' meant 'righteous ones of the bright pointed objects.

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Here is wikipedia information about the dinjur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%F0%92%80%AD

 

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The Sumerian sign dingir originated as a star-shaped ideogram indicating a god in general, or the Sumerian god An, the supreme father of the gods. Dingir also meant sky in contrast with Ki which meant earth. The cuneiform version of the Sumerian sign is shown at the left. [URL= http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html ]web page[/URL]

Here is a link on Anu. However I dont believe the Gold theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu

 

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Now if you look halfway down of the link you will see the physical ensign of the Dinjur. The bowl found in Bolivia contains the Sumerian sign oif the Dinjur, the celestials, the bright ones. Also we have a Sumerian/Inca/Bolivian parallel.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/mari_cultic_stela3.htm

here is a study I did on the Inca and sumerian connection.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/inca.htm

Here is information about the word Jin which I feel is a derivative of Jinn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie
Genie is the English term for the Arabic جن (jinn). In pre-Islamic Arabic mythology and in Islam, a jinni (also "djinni" or "djini") is a member of the jinn (or "djinn"), a race of creatures. The word "jinn" literally means anything which has the connotation of concealment, invisibility, seclusion and remoteness. In English it may be loosely translated as Ghost.
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Here is picture of a jinn/Genie or Dinjur midwayer

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/Blessing_genie_Dur_Sharrukin.jpg
Ancient Assyrian stone relief of a genie.

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I personally think that the Gods or our celestial friends are magnifying themselves through the books and the Urantia Book.

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sevens

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Hi

I get the feeling that following this research the Urantia Book with its knowledge is starting have more bite with fascination in discovery. The parallels that are appearing within the scripts of all ancient religion has left there mark that can be indentified today and throught the timeline. I am completely amazed by the parallels and connections of this research in the physical and in the spiritual.

The seven marker is in all the religions and myths, I get the feeling that the united midwayers through all the research are presenting themselves through the books with the seven markers they embedded throughout time past.

Whether it be the Ahura Mazda, The Pantheon of Greece or the Gods of the Inca. It really comes back to the midwayers who before Jesus some helped induviduals and some created mischief.

Since the advent of Jesus the rebel midwayers have been interned and today we have a splendid harmonisation of truth spanning all realites. I feel this research is a presentation of the unseen in time and space with there presentation as given in The Urantia Book and fragments left in our ancient religion and culture connected with discovery.

As far as I am concerned the Urantia is book of life written about in revelation and was petitioned by the united midwayers to the Ancient of Days and its the book written in the hand of God which is the guiding light to the discovery of our origins.

This whole journey is momentous in the universe as well as on earth with Paradise personaly involved. Just think the uncovering of our origins could result in something quite fascinating for this planet, something man never expected.

Through manifold discoveries of the oldest cities in our pre history where it all began. In two locations and not to mention the current research.

Anyway I thought I would share a few thoughts with you all. Know that the journey is brilliant but long and is all evloving on the run. Everyday is a new day for discovering new things along the path.

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sevens

Hi here is a link that I found quite disturbing particulary how sevens is used in some links. However apparently its of Sumerian Origins and does have information relating to the Dingur particulary the rebel Dingir

I suppose we have research everything to discover the threads of truth.

Apparently it derives from ancient Sumeria.

web page
I was hesitant in posting it but we have to check these things.

web page

 

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The following is the Text of URILIA, the Book of the Worm. It contains the formulae by which the wreakers of havoc perform their Rites. These are the prayers of the ensnarers, the liers-in-wait, the blind fiends of Chaos, the most ancient evil.

These incantations are said by the hidden priests and creatures of these powers, defeated by the Elders and the Seven Powers, led by MARDUK, supported by ENKI and the whole Host of IGIGI; defeaters of the Old Serpent, the Ancient Worm, TIAMAT, the ABYSS, also called KUTULU the Corpse-ENKI, yet who lies not dead, but dreaming; he whom secret priests, initiated into the Black Rites, whose names are writ forever in the Book of Chaos, can summon if they but know how.

These words are not to be shown to any man, or the Curse of ENKI are upon thee!

I also found this

 

• I AM BEFORE all gods.
  I AM before all days.
  I AM before all men and legends of men.
  I AM the ANCIENT ONE.
  
  NO MAN may seek my resting place.
  I receive the Sun at night and the Moon by day.
  I AM the reciever of the sacrifice of the Wanderers.
  The Mountains of the West cover me.
  The Mountains of Magick cover me.
  
  I AM THE ANCIENT OF DAYS.
  
  
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  [LIST] hymn to the Ancient ones
  
  They are lying down, the Great Old Ones.
  The bolts are fallen and the fastenings are placed.
  The crowds are quiet and the people are quiet.
  The Elder Gods of the Land
  The Elder Goddesses of the Land
  SHAMMASH
  SIN
  ADAD
  ISHTAR
  Have gone to sleep in heaven.
  They are not pronouncing judgements.
  They are no deciding decisions.
  Veiled is the Night.
  The Temple and the Most Holy Places are quiet and dark.
  The Judge of Truth
  The Father of the Fatherless
  SHAMMASH
  Has gone to his chamber.
  O Ancient Ones!
  Gods of the Night!
  AZABUA!
  IAK SAKKAK!
  KUTULU!
  NINNGHIZHIDDA!
  O Bright One, GIBIL!
  O Warrior, IRRA!
  Seven Stars of Seven Powers!
  Ever-Shining Star of the North!
  SIRIUS!
  DRACONIS!
  CAPRICORNUS!
  Stand by and accept
  This sacrifice I offer
  May it be acceptable
  To the Most Ancient Gods!
  
  IA MASHMASHTI! KAKAMMU SELAH!

AZAGTHOTH +? Toth is meanioned in the above link.

 

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In the urantia Book Marduk is Adam.

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Here is an excerpt from The Book of Magan from Sumerian Origins.

web page

 

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He who awakens Him calls the ancient
Vengeance of the Elder Ones
The Seven Glorious Gods
of the Seven Glorious Cities
Upon himself and upon the World
And old vengeance .

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and then you read this that seem to name seven underworld rebel midwayers.

 

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THEY ARE THEY CHILDREN OF THE UNDERWORLD.

Falling like rain from the sky
Issuing like mist from the earth
Doors do not stop them
Bolts do not stop them
They glide in at the doors like serpents
They enter by the windows like the wind
IDPA they are, entering by the head
NAMTAR they are, entering by the heart
UTUK they are, entering by the brow
ALAL they are, entering by the chest
GIGIM they are, seizing the bowels
TELAL they are, grasping the hand
URUKU they are, giant Larvae, feeding on the Blood
They are Seven!
Seven are They!
They seize all the towers
From UR to NIPPUR
Yet UR knows them not
Yet NIPPUR does not know them
They have brought down the mighty
Of all the mighty Cities of man
Yet man knows them not
Yes the Cities do not know them

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Personaly

The above seems to be a rendition of seven rebel midwayers and how they afflicted mankind.

Marduk(Adam) sought to restrict there powers but not quite.

 

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Marduk according to the urantia book

with the Hebrews it was, in general, Adam's return as a material ruler. In Babylon the god Marduk was a perpetuation of the Adam legend, the son-of-God idea, the connecting link between man and God. Following the appearance of Adam on earth, so-called sons of God were common among the world races.

Marduk search web page

 

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sevens

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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject:   Here is something about the Book of Toth and about the authors of various translation. Apparently the Book of Toth came from the Emarald Tablets.


 

Lets see if we can find any relevant clues in the Seven sermons to the dead!

 

Quite fascinating considering the current study however there was some stuff that I lost interest in.

Here is a link about Toth

 

I personaly think that the Gods or our celestial friends are magnifying themselves through the books and the Urantia Book.

Here is something about the Jinn in the quran

 

Div or Deva is the same thing as dingir or Jinn but through the Persian culture.

http://www.egnu.org/thelema/index.php/Deva_deity



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sevens

http://www.case.edu/univlib/preserve/Etana/KING.SEVENv1/KING.SEVENv1.157.176.pdf

another link

 

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http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/stc/index.htm

excerpt from the seventh tablet

128. Let them be in the ears of the pastor and the shepherd!

129. Let a man rejoice in Marduk, the Lord of the gods,

130. That he may cause his land to be fruitful, and that he himself may have prosperity!

131. His word standeth fast, his command is unaltered;

132. The utterance of his mouth hath no god ever annulled.

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Seven Assyrian tablets of creation


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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject:

Hi Joer

I re read your post. I really enjoyed your work to. It really makes sense to me.

With the Edmund Roach Book the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

I read the book about a year after I discovered Enoch whilst looking for information regarding a presentation I did. It just came to me to look for fragments of 1st Eden in other books, so I did and found a cache or pearls.

As I seearch I come across the Sevenfold fragments. However when I
read Edmund Roachs book the kingdom of heaven is at hand I was inspired. I read some of it again about a year ago and was still inspired with his interpretations. I couldnt put it down.

However there were a few interpretations I was a bit undecided. But on the whole I thought it was very accurate.

I loved his work on the dead sea scrolls.

Here is something I discovered about 8 months ago. Ive added some thoughts of my own however there are many things that can be seen in these scriptures.

THE UNKNOWN BOOKS
OF THE ESSENES

which includes

FROM THE ESSENE BOOK OF JESUS

THE SEVENFOLD PEACE

It includes a discourse of Jesus that was recorded by the Essenes. Its is an mountain of material that contains many pearls. I have really experienced much through studying this book.

After reading it tried to find connections to the Garden of Eden. Enjoy!

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/essene_eden.htm

In the paper you will see a link to the Job 38 "the paths" The 1st Eden connection check it out. Its like a twofold message connection.

The intruiging thing is the paths links between the books and how each provide a picture of the destruction of 1stEden and also gives us an insight to the future and connected to the Eden or the infinite garden.

In the following seven references to the paths in various books which I think are the seven paths.

 

All the best
sevens

Its funny on July 4th 06 I declared a test of man to the ancient of days. Spontaneous just like that and documented it as I got sick of all the death I was seeing on TV and all the rhetoric to go with it. The original test was for 40 days but then it blended in time synchronicity with Enochs 10 weeks judgment process. In the seventh part I found what I think is Dalamatia of Iran.

Well since then there has been no obvious occurance but there was another discovery that is related to the sevenfold.

Actually all these discoveries are petitions in one way or another however the dalamatia discovery journey was a definite and concious request to the Ancient of Days

That was my experience.

All regards
sevens

Hi Joer .

That was a great post I enjoyed all the extract really builds ones faith.

When I made my petition it was more of a declaration as well of the test period. It was a normal verbal request that was made in sincerity as like a son asking the father for help.

The Declaration was just that I declared the test period in faith and put it out there on behalf of the ancient of days and that was it. Since then there has been no unusual physical things but what I noticed that I started to find many fragment connections in the books regarding various test periods contained in the bible. It was a real exploration and discovery in the books of many connections.

However looking at these scripts I was thinking in terms of judgment as the scripts suggest but that didn't happen. However when I was in the seventh part of the 10 week I was questioning and posting what does the seventh part mean. The suddenly Dalamatia was found.

Its like when I was read about Eden on a boat 13 years ago I remember expressing desire to the father to find the place and again it was honest and sincere petition and request to the Father and full of desire to find Eden. When I got back to shore I brought all the maps of the eastern Med and especially the Nat Geo map where I could see the submerged landmass between Cyprus. I knew it then that it was the submerged land of Eden.

It was when after reading discovery of Atlantis by Robert Sarmast when I was completely inspired. Being inspired I began to search the scriptures for Eden which has been an unbelievable experience and journey.

It is nothing but an evolutional journey in discovery on all levels and its available on the run as the discoveries occur which I feel is the key to the great mystery. Like God leading man to God that is the beauty through his words. The mankind mystery that involves and challenges everyone , anyone can become involved in the mystery by following the discoveries and studies openly. It really becomes a testament or witness as it happens.

Nothing unusual in the way of paranormal has happened however in regards to the scripts. Where the angels work is through the books pointing me in the direction and through the quickening of discovery. A purely inner experience. Many times Ive had hunches and followed the thread and found great pearls. It could be the thought adjuster working in synchronicity with the angels and midwayers but yet independently.

Everyday is a new day and new things are found in all levels of knowledge particularly in relation to past cultures and religions. Everyone has a piece of the mystery embedded in there truth. It is when the commonality (fragments) becomes harmonised in discovery. Its the substance that brings together the religions through commonality and all focused on Eden and in some cases Dalamatia.

What a revelation and a way to go both physical and spiritual harmonised truth.

The greatest thrill is discovering a parallel and connection or following a Urantia truth lead and discovering something in science which backs up the lead or finding a great truth. The joy is immense and sense of love for the Father is very inward and outward with hi5's all round for the angels amongst.

When I find something its like Arms outstretched with the sense of gratitude and love for the father and for all his helpers is very overwhelming and the sense of togetherness is real warm not to mention the internal joy of the thought adjuster and oneself together in the experience. Not to mention all the verbal expressions like "right on Father" "Thanks angels" "Thanks Ancient of Days my friends" "Let make it happen" many many verbal expression of love and gratitude.

The whole experience just never stops and its really beautiful in totality. For me its the pearl of great price or that extraordinary pearl and is worth everything. Really the hardest part is the physical survival stuff and to do this work as its very solitary. The separation of survival and this spiritual work is hard but I know were this leads its all worth it.

So I share this with you so that regarding petitions I think is absolutely no problem. Regarding my petition it was of planetary value so a response occurred in discovery. I petitioned to the Ancient of Days with a open and honest heart. I declared something in faith direct to Paradise. I see all Ancients of Days and Paradise as friends being completely yourself, imperfections and all. We all know we are not perfect but I think what they really love is openness and sincerity.

Anyway all the work is up there all the fragments and connections. I post a vast array of material so others can follow the leads so more can be discovered and connected. Its really is a study that should include the Urantia book readers in collating and connecting. As far as my accuracy is concerned all I can say is that I was honest and sincere. I looked at these scripts to see if I could find clues about Eden, I was focused on Eden alone. There are other interpretations that can be made but I only focused on Eden and now Dalamatia and other things that you find along the way.

So all the best everyone.

regards
sevens

Hi Joer

Ive been looking around and really do enjoy the post and everyones ideas.

With Dalamatia it really needs an expedition . But from what I see and what is described in The Urantia Book is seems to be consistant. I can see 10 divisions, canals and remnants of the wall. Also there seems to be a symetrical lake in the front of the city. The city appears to be completely hidden and protected all around. About the submergence and emergence of the city. I think that is related to the ice age and the various water levels over time.

I feel it would of been a fresh water gulf at that time.

In addition there seems to be anomalies on the Iranian coast that maybe Dilmun, the original.

Here is a little image I worked that links the uranta information about Dalamatia.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/dalamatia.jpg

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/water_outflow.htm

I just feel the urantia book wouldnt describe this place without future purpose.

It would be interested in looking at the image of the circles.

regards
sevens

Last edited by sevens on Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:49 pm; edited 2 times in total

Hi Im not one for following UFOs and alike but here is a thread that I thought was totaly bizarre. Ufo s could simply be midwayers Im not sure at all.

Here is a thread that I posted else where

Has anyone been following this

http://astronomer.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=Unexplained&action=display&thread=1163658846

Here is a mp3 of the event
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_davenport_121206.mp3
 

If its true the main key words I see are a "sip of the water of fountain of youth" which equates to the tree of life, "A weeping madonna painting" religious significants and Bushs comments "creatures of faith"

Keywords for me

Water/tree of life
Weeping Madonna
Faith creatures
contact

seem to have all the components and completely bizarre considering the current research in the ancient places of where the tree of life or where the legend of the fountain of youth sprang from.

Its all rather curious if its true!

Regards
sevens

Wow Rockessemse.

That was interesting and quite fascinating. Gee maybe the universal brotherhood at large are presenting themselves more obviously.

Here is a link that I was happy to find its about time the agencies opened there archives.

http://news.com.com/2100-11397-6146358.html?tag=tb


I noticed it happened on the NOVEMBER 07, 2006....the seventh....hehe

You know if its true this could be the beginning of some revealing. I know Im getting a little bold but it is a strong possibility??? In the most subtle and yet obvious ways.

It was only last night (3 Jan) that I saw footage shown on the news of 3 lights above an airport where explained away as some weather phoenomena. Im not sure it is the same event as posted below but it was on the news last night.


All the best
sevens

[ 01-02-2007, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi Here is a little study I did on another thread on the planet. I thought it could be interesting for here.


Hi Hank thanks,

Its certainly a vast subject.

Sometimes I wonder wether the midwayers have atmospheric machines that can have the ability to shift from one dimension to another. Similiar to the technique how a midwayer can reveal themselves to humans.

I cant see any reason why the midwayers cant have devices of transport even though they dont need them. Then again if the seraphim is the UFO's becuase of the there transmutation abilities there probably just having some fun.

or it could part of a plan leading to a major revealing. Who knows!!

Here is the link to a ufo sighting in China notice how the craft or seraphim just vanishes out of picture, slipping into another dimension.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Rc0HWPBII&mode=related&search=


I suppose the midwayers have been here for thousands of years and there technical base by our standards would be very advanced and would encompass such devices.

 

quote:

---

Paper 39
When celestial beings are to be enseraphimed for transfer from one world to another, they are brought to the headquarters of the sphere and, after due registry, are inducted into the transit sleep. Meantime, the transport seraphim moves into a [color=darkred]horizontal position[/color] immediately above the universe energy pole of the planet.While the [color=darkred]energy shields are wide open[/color], the sleeping personality is skillfully deposited, by the officiating seraphic assistants, directly on top of the transport angel . Then both the [color=darkred]upper and lower pairs of shields[/color] are carefully closed and adjusted.

And now, under the influence of the transformers and the transmitters, a strange metamorphosis begins as the seraphim is made ready to swing into the energy currents of the universe circuits. To outward appearance the [color=darkred]seraphim grows pointed at both extremities[/color] and becomes so [color=darkred]enshrouded in a queer light of amber hue[/color] that very soon it is impossible to distinguish the enseraphimed personality. When all is in readiness for departure, the chief of transport makes the proper inspection of [color=darkred]the carriage[/color] of life, carries out the routine tests to ascertain whether or not the angel is properly encircuited, and then announces that the traveler is properly enseraphimed, that the energies are adjusted, that the angel is insulated, and that everything is in readiness for the departing flash.


Page 439 The mechanical controllers, two of them, next take their positions. By this time the transport seraphim has become an almost [color=darkred]transparent, vibrating,[/color] [color=darkred]torpedo-shaped outline[/color] of [color=darkred]glistening luminosity[/color].Now the transport dispatcher of the realm summons the [color=darkred]auxiliary batteries of the living energy transmitters,[/color] usually one thousand in number; as he announces the destination of the transport, he reaches out and touches the near point of the [color=darkred]seraphic carriage,[/color] which shoots forward with lightning like speed, leaving a trail of [color=darkred]celestial luminosity[/color] as far as the planetary atmospheric investment extends. In less than ten minutes the marvelous spectacle will be lost even to reinforced seraphic vision.

---

How interesting was that lets compare the Urantia Book to what we see today on video.

Keywords

 

• horizontal position
  energy shields are wide open
  transparent, vibrating,
  the sleeping personality is skillfully deposited, by the officiating seraphic assistants,
  directly on top of the transport angel
  To outward appearance the seraphim grows pointed at both extremities and becomes so enshrouded in a queer light of amber hue
  The mechanical controllers
  torpedo-shaped outline
  he reaches out and touches the near point of the seraphic carriage
  which shoots forward with lightning like speed, leaving a trail of celestial luminosity

The above description reminds me of the cigar shaped UFO.

Note the the description

torpedo-shaped outline
To outward appearance the seraphim grows pointed at both extremities
energy shields are wide open
queer light of amber hue
transparent, vibrating,
the angel is insulated(by the upper and lower outer shields)

Sounds very similiar to what we see in the reports,

 

quote:

---

Isnt the following what we see today in most UFO descriptions??

Cigar shaped or torpedo outline.
Luminous colors (sounds like the dancing lights)
Energy shields four them that open and close
Torpedo shaped outline.
transparent, vibrating,

---

Transparency is related to vibration, it must be why they can disappear and appear.


I think the seraphims and midwayers are having fun with us and I feel the actual UFO descriptions are revealed in the Urantia Book.


regards
sevens

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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:14 pm    Post subject: Totaly bizarre

Hi Im not one for following UFOs and alike but here is a thread that I thought was totaly bizarre. Ufo s could simply be midwayers Im not sure at all. Actually it was only last night that I saw a video of it on TV but I stumbled across the story today.

Here is a thread that I posted else where

Has anyone been following this

http://astronomer.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=Unexplained&action=display&thread=1163658846

Here is a mp3 of the event
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_davenport_121206.mp3
 

If its true the main key words I see are a "sip of the water of fountain of youth" which equates to the tree of life, "A weeping madonna painting" religious significants and Bushs comments "creatures of faith"

Keywords for me

Water/tree of life
Weeping Madonna
Faith creatures
contact

seem to have all the components and completely bizarre considering the current research in the ancient places of where the tree of life or where the legend of the fountain of youth sprang from.

Its all rather curious if its true and to think all the key compenents of the message was conveyed and reported.

I noticed it happened on the NOVEMBER 07, 2006....the seventh....hehe

You know if its true this could be the beginning of some revealing. I know Im getting a little bold but it is a strong possibility??? In the most subtle and yet obvious ways.

Regards
sevens

Hi Hank thanks,

Its certainly a vast subject.

Sometimes I wonder wether the midwayers have atmospheric machines that can have the ability to shift from one dimension to another. Similiar to the technique how a midwayer can reveal themselves to humans.

I cant see any reason why the midwayers cant have devices of transport even though they dont need them. Then again if the seraphim is the UFO's becuase of the there transmutation abilities there probably just having some fun.

or it could part of a plan leading to a major revealing. Who knows!!

Here is the link to a ufo sighting in China notice how the craft or seraphim just vanishes out of picture, slipping into another dimension.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Rc0HWPBII&mode=related&search=


I suppose the midwayers have been here for thousands of years and there technical base by our standards would be very advanced and would encompass such devices.

 

How interesting was that lets compare the Urantia Book to what we see today on video.

Keywords

 

horizontal position
energy shields are wide open
transparent, vibrating,
the sleeping personality is skillfully deposited, by the officiating seraphic assistants,
directly on top of the transport angel
To outward appearance the seraphim grows pointed at both extremities and becomes so enshrouded in a queer light of amber hue
The mechanical controllers
torpedo-shaped outline
he reaches out and touches the near point of the seraphic carriage
which shoots forward with lightning like speed, leaving a trail of celestial luminosity

The above description reminds me of the cigar shaped UFO.

Note the the description

torpedo-shaped outline
To outward appearance the seraphim grows pointed at both extremities
energy shields are wide open
queer light of amber hue
transparent, vibrating,
the angel is insulated(by the upper and lower outer shields)

Sounds very similiar to what we see in the reports,

 

Transparency is related to vibration, it must be why they can disappear and appear.


I think the seraphims and midwayers are having fun with us and I feel the actual UFO descriptions are revealed in the Urantia Book.



regards
sevens

Hi here is a report as followup on the Ohare incident.

I dont mean to make this a UFO thread without a UB connection, if any. However I suppose I did start this so we have to see what else was witnessed on the day. In a previous post I tried to see if the UB could give us clues to these kind of phoenomenas.

 

Looks like there is much to the story. Sometimes I wonder whether these beings or whatever they are know the future, knowing that the story and the analysis would end up on this site and others. Thus in there own way conveying a message!

Dont you find it interesting that UFOs always seems to appear at the right time for a camera shot as if they know somebody is on the ground and has a camera that can record the event.

They always seem to be at the right place in the right moment for someone ready to record the event. As if the UFO guys already know whats happening in the present and in the future. Unless its completely bogus, however there are to many sightings from an array of people for it to be imagination in my view.

Sometimes I wonder whether this is work of the midwayers, our cousins. However Im not sure I would really have to see evidence of this. But what are UFOs in real truth???? Mans handywork or real stuff!!!!

You know I pose this question to my guardian angels and fellow midwayer and to my thought adjuster . What are UFOs and who controls them. Perhaps we already have the answer! Not sure. But seriously what are they and how do they fit in the UB scheme of things?

Hey check out how many sevens are in the report. Ah just a curiosity. hehe just joking.

all the best blessings
sevens

hehe

good show, I like that one, having a laugh.

got any more.
here is a crash and burn one probably some experiment or something.

I thought the video was intersting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR9z9E7Ousw

But on the other hand in the following video if you concerntrate on the rods by the use of infra red. I wonder if this a glimpse of the seraphim. In a configuration transporting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9F3i__dHNQ&NR

Being seen in infra red or being able to be seen in infra red what would that mean regarding the level of existence?

Would that be a marker of there level of existance somehow.?

How would that relate to vibration and transmutation?

In the light of the above description of the Seraphim and his tramsmutation into something else under certain conditions is interesting.

Like the circuit energy they travel on there must be something in the circuit energy lanes that allows these beings to transmutate.

Being seen in infra red in a certain state would mean that they operate in a low vibration state. Beyond human sight It would mean they exist in the infra red spectrum of light. To appear in our eyes they raise there vibration state? Something like that?

Again I pose this general description in The Urantia Book

Note the transmutation abilities in the description of the Seraphim.
 

maybe the urantia Book can shed some light

search on thransportation

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=transport&submit=Submit

 

Note this Gem

"the seven-circuited university of Havona"

and

 

These transporters are thus able to superimpose velocity of energy upon velocity of power until they attain an average speed on their long journeys varying anywhere from 555,000 to almost 559,000 of your miles per second of your time. The velocity is affected by the mass and proximity of neighboring matter and by the strength and direction of the near-by main circuits of universe power. There are numerous types of beings, similar to the seraphim, who are able to traverse space, and who also are able to transport other beings who have been properly prepared.[quote/]

and

5

and

 

and

 

Again I refer to those torpedo shaped objects in the video above?

Just some questions I pose in trying to examine the possibilities of this phoenomena.

Here is another video of a something flying at highspeed past the WTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3_EiPFoNtE&mode=related&search=

Still thinking about it.


All the best
sevens

Last edited by sevens on Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:12 pm; edited 1 time in total

Hi All

I really enjoyed the responses. It a really good examination considering all the video content that is available.

Hi Mary Jo606
 

If it all true and part of an revealing I think its interesting that science can harmonise with the topic as well. In this case its the same process the revealing like in the expeditions of Eden and other discoveries following the leads and using the technology of science and through our ancient writings.

Its like a revelation in the harmonisation and I am comepletely impressed if it encompasses this connection using science. It will interesting where this study leads to.

I must say that Rods were impressive. That was the exceprt I really enjoyed to. About the crashing one I hope no one was injured but to me I found it spectactular.

Hi Tramp Swan

 

I agree who knows in this age of technology what man can produce.

However I like to have hope that most of the videos are authentic and is part of some revealing or something obvious in totality, perhaps.

Hi Sarah

 

Hi, Thats is really interesting I myself swim often and I always wondered about the ehaling and anti ageing qualites of water. I personaly have noticed things about myself becuase of the swimming.

I think there is a big truth in that.

I personaly feel that the rods are serphims are in a transmutated state who perhaps are carrying a personality. Im not sure. Just to think what its like for the midwayers to see and live in that world where you see all this activity. Without departing the planet and also meeting all these "seven university of Havona" star students from the super universe.

How amazing is that


Anyway I feel its all quite fascinating.

regards
sevens

Hi

Found the following interesting. I wonder if it has to do with there transmutation abilities. I wonder if there rebel seraphim revealed to secrets before the internment. And attempted certain transmutations themselves. Pure speculation.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=transport&submit=Submit

 

Paradise must be so large and massive. Im trying to visualise it in my imagination.

and

 

1. The life modification status of Urantia.

2. The exigencies of the Lucifer rebellion.

3. The disruptions of the Adamic default.

4. The irregularities growing out of the fact that Urantia was one of the bestowal worlds of the Universe Sovereign. Michael of Nebadon is the Planetary Prince of Urantia.

5. The special function of the twenty-four planetary directors.

6. The location on the planet of an archangels' circuit.

7. The more recent designation of the onetime incarnated Machiventa Melchizedek as vicegerent Planetary Prince.

More and more Im thinking about those rods maybe they are the delivery of messges and personalites as they have a number of functions. They also help the midwayers with messages and all kinds of activities.

and I found this in one of the links

 

Thinking about the time line you have

The Melchizedek arrival, then you have the Lucifer adjudication. Once that is resolved the Melchizedek will rule for a long time until the days of light and life.

I suggest that perhaps with the discovery of our origins and the Urantia Book and all the truth that encompasses these fields it could be a good time for the Melchizedek to come, arrive and take his post. It seems to fit and make sense. Im always thinking about this possibility as I do see it reflected.

I see reflections of Eden in all the places and in the sciptures and other books. Where I see Eden reflected I see a jugment attached or some change.

Maybe the increasing obviousness of the other dimension maybe an ongoing process that leads to something.

Perhaps but I am speculating a little here but I couldnt think of a better time linked in with a discovery of our origins, the oldest places in the world associated with the tree of life all written about beforehand.

And then you have this following big clue

 

I personaly believe any day or any hour as the signs show. I believe for the sign to show it would have to demonstrate harmonisation.



regards
sevens

Here is a very interesting one

So John the Baptist site at the head of this board.

 

and this

 

Here is a very interesting fragment of Reserve corp of destiny

 

Here is another interesting piece

 

regards
sevens

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject:

sevens

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject:

and just browsing



 

and

 

svens

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7027173637881161714&q=ufo+recent+sightings&hl=en

were entirely different from those which had actuated Moses and Elijah, and even John the Baptist. Jesus was then wholly self-conscious concerning his relation to the universe of his making and also to the universe of universes, supervised by the Paradise Father, his Father in heaven. He now fully recalled the bestowal charge and its instructions administered by his elder brother, Immanuel, ere he entered upon his Urantia incarnation. He now clearly and fully comprehended all these far-flung relationships, and he desired to be away for a season of quiet meditation so that he could think out the plans and decide upon the procedures for the prosecution of his public labors in behalf of this world and for all other worlds in his local universe.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper136.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper136.html&line=70#mfs

While wandering about in the hills, seeking a suitable shelter, Jesus encountered his universe chief executive, Gabriel, the Bright and Morning Star of Nebadon. Gabriel now re-established personal communication with the Creator Son of the universe; they met directly for the first time since Michael took leave of his associates on Salvington when he went to Edentia preparatory to entering upon the Urantia bestowal.

 Gabriel, by direction of Immanuel and on authority of the Uversa Ancients of Days, now laid before Jesus information indicating that his bestowal experience on Urantia was practically finished so far as concerned the earning of the perfected sovereignty of his universe and the termination of the Lucifer rebellion. The former was achieved on the day of his baptism when the personalization of his Adjuster demonstrated the perfection and completion of his bestowal in the likeness of mortal flesh, and the latter was a fact of history on that day when he came down from Mount Hermon to join the waiting lad, Tiglath. Jesus was now informed, upon the highest authority of the local universe and the superuniverse, that his bestowal work was finished in so far as it affected his personal status in relation to sovereignty and rebellion. He had already had this assurance direct from Paradise in the baptismal vision and in the phenomenon of the personalization of his indwelling Thought Adjuster.

Hi BFFT

I agree I not sure about the doco either. It seems so bizarre to me. I to hope its not nefarious.

For me personaly III go with the ancient scripts as I feel they have more accuracy than mans speculation.

I must say I found the doco slightly alarming. If the Aliens are up to making hybrids I dont think that is a good thing.

If its all true and correct, What the aliens are doing is not consistant to the universal respect of free will and personal soveriegnty.

The Aliens cant go around abducting people against there own free will for hybrid reasons. They, of all aliens should know this or at least have knowledge of this.

If somehow there is a spiritual correction on the way Im have no doubt the Aliens arse is grass to for impeding on mans free will and soveriegnty for the sake of hybridisation.

If there is a correction for humans and aliens maybe with all the ancient places being discovered might be a sign for them as much as it is for man.

Anyway this is what I reckon will happen with respect to endtimes.

From what I can tell the next visitation scheduled is advent of the Sage of Salem that I believe will occur soon. He will take up his crown officialy and rule the planet as he did Salem and with the tree of life available.

He will instigate sweeping changes to planet in how its administered. From that time forth there will be peace on earth and then perhaps in a thousand years or more we then enter into the stage of light and life (another dispensation) when there will be another visitation and its in this visitation I would think Jesus will come back again and visit us. However Jesus can also appear with the Sage of Salem in the next revealing.

In any rate we are an experimental planet (a decimal planet) so anything can happen as our species is unique to any other species in the universe. Thats why the Aliens are interested in us and our genes probably to make a super alien.

You know when the great revealing happens it. It may look like this

This is probably a test run to gauge the reaction.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7318892920361004848&q=ufo+mexico&hl=en

From what I see, the timeline is.

 

• 1. The advent of the Sage of Salem (I would hope and getting the feeling very soon)
  
  2. The sweeping changes occur that will make the planet suitable for the next Epoch. It will probably take a thousand years.
  
  3. In perhaps in a thousand years time the planet enters in to the stage of light and life where there will be a huge party.

As for me I wouldnt mind sticking around eating of the tree of life to see the changes occur.



all the best
sevens

[ 01-07-2007, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi Rockessence

Thanks for the links

It might take a while to go through them but essentialy it seems to make sense with all the goings on and the knowledge that is available.

I get the feeling that if there is an imminent correction this will include the disrespecting Aliens.

It completely makes sense what you say and I feel the things that are happening applies to the aliens as much as it does mankind.

I dont know where the Aliens come from abducting people against there free will. With all the knowledge available to them, they should know better.

Anyway I feel they will be corrected as much as mankind will be.

III have to go through your links more thoroughly.

Another thing. How could the US make a deal on our behalf with these aliens who disrespect free will. Shows you the quality of our leaders at the time. Bloody lousy leaders!

Well as far as Im concerned those abducting Aliens are on notice to. III certainly make sure I have no genetic material for them to mess around with.

thanks again regards
sevens

[ 01-07-2007, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hey Rockessence

The site sounds familiar to the Sheldon Nidle website

http://www.paoweb.com/

You know Im just thinking about the coming of the Melchizedek. All the conditions seems right to me.

 

• 1. You have discovery of the most ancient places
  
  2. You a have a new spiritual book responsible for the discoveries. (I believe The Urantia Book is the book of life as prophecied.)
  
  3. You have an increase in UFO sightings that appear to be longer and more meaningful.
  
  4. Prophecies in the books seemed to be fulfilling itself.
  
  5. Generally man is expectant of some change including leaders of some countries.

Im sure there are more points. But what an anti climax if it was business as usual despite all these things becoming very obvious!

To me change seems so obvious the longer we go down this timeline.

I wonder if the Melchizedek is ready to appear???

Well I hope so, we could do with his help at the moment and it would be good to look forward to the next 1000 years with no spiritual rebels on the planet. If something does occur that would be great, least man will know the ultimate truth rather than all the propaganda of those who have an self agenda.

Actualy revelation does speak of the 1000 years when Satan is bound. Maybe John is speaking about this time now of when the Melchizedek comes and rules for a 1000 years up to the time of the new Epoch stage of light and life!!

However when Melchizedek comes Lucifer and all his cohorts will be judged by the Ancients of Days and Lucifer and his band will not come back, ever!

That will be final and Lucifer and his mates will be finished forever.

Thank you Father lord, its about time these cohorts are put to rest and the planetary mess/matters are sorted out once and forever.

All I know the poor people and the spiritualy oppressed of this world are certainly looking forward to the day!! It also reflects of badly the planet is managed by the current physical administrators. No help for there selfish mismanagement!! What a mess they have created which includes this horrible usury (birth to death debt conspiracy) based economic paradigm they have created.

The sense of relief will be immense and in the future, the oppressive world that we all familiar with will be forgotten just like that.

The day of Manchaventa Melchizedek, The Sage of Salem, his day.

Again it will probably look like this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7318892920361004848&q=ufo+mexico&hl=en
But every city and town will witness this even in the most remote places.

regards
sevens

[ 01-07-2007, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Tablet 6

The Targum from the Beginnings and Facebook timeline