11th March 2011
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Hi
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This is getting to be the YAWN of the 21st century
The curious thing for me that I found in the Egyptian Book of the Dead regarding this place.
In the following seems to suggest the time frame of the 21st Century by relating to the 21st Pylon. With Horus (I feel Jesus) expressing this in his own words.
THE OSIRIS AUFANKH, WHOSE WORD IS TRUTH, SAITH: Hail, saith Horus, O Twenty-first pylon of the Still-Heart! I have made the way. I know thee. I know thy name. I know the name of the goddess who guardeth thee. "Sword that smiteth at the utterance of its own name, stinking face, overthrower of him that approacheth her flame" is thy name. Thou keepest the hidden things of the avenger of the god, thou guardest them. Amam is his name. He maketh the ash trees not to grow, and the shenu trees not to blossom, and preventeth copper from being found in the mountain. The Tchatcha (Chiefs) of this Pylon are Seven Gods. Tchen, or Anthch (At), is the name of the one at the door. Hetepmes is the name of another there. Messep is the name of another there. Utchara is the name of another there. Beq is the name of another there. Anp (Anubis) is the name of another there.
THE OSIRIS AUFANKH, WHOSE WORD IS TRUTH, SAITH: Hail, saith Horus, O Twenty-first (21st century) pylon of the Still-Heart!
Still of heart seems to be referring to people that are asleep doing no research and keeping themselves ignorant and blind of whats going on and just talk up there time saying silly comments. again still of heart.
Also note the relation to Horus as I equate that to Jesus but through the Egyptian culture. He is actualy expressing himself, like the Jesus papers of the Egyptians.
I have made the way.
A way has been made to find this mystery of secret or to uncover a secret perhaps an inevitable event seems to be related to the seven Gods
I know thee. I know thy name. I know the name of the goddess who guardeth thee. "Sword that smiteth at the utterance of its own name, stinking face, overthrower of him that approacheth her flame" is thy name.
There seems to be a guarding of a secret or of a mystery
Thou keepest the hidden things of the avenger of the god, thou guardest them.
Obviously the Angel/God is protecting a hidden thing or secret and its related to a mystery similiar to the angel of the Garden at the gate with a flaming sword. Protecting what lies there.
Amam is his name.
Amom is the avenger Gods name, and he must be related to some retribution of some sort or avenging a past wrong perhaps related to Horus.
The in the following there are clues that relate to a physical location.
He maketh the ash trees not to grow,
Ash trees relate to the North of Egypt relating to the the area before the phoenecians similiar to the cedars of Lebanon
(cedars) (Lebanon 1st Eden)
and the shenu trees not to blossom,
(acacias)(Egypt was affected)
and preventeth copper from being found in the mountain.
(To me the only place in the eastern Med that relates to Copper is Cyprus.)
It also infers that you could walk there and obtain copper. That was cut of by a flood. A catastrophe, a deluge.
The Tchatcha (Chiefs) of this Pylon are Seven Gods.
It sounds like the Gods in charge of this mystery are the Sevens Gods who are represntative of this mystery and events in this day and age. 21st century /Pylon. Links (Revelation 1:17 Seven stars)(For me the Sevenfold Paradise Trinity or the Trinty of Paradise.)
Tchen, or Anthch (At), is the name of the one at the door.
Hetepmes is the name of another there.
Messep is the name of another there.
Utchara is the name of another there.
Beq is the name of another there.
Anp (Anubis) is the name of another there.
(To me this relates to the seal of the mystery, the seal of the sevens in charge of this mystery and are the same sevens as where back then during the deluge. Like the seal on the vault or door. that is loosened in the books and in physical discovery.)
It seems that Jesus represented as Horus speaks of the 21st Century when man is Still of heart unable to see this mystery. This mystery is related to some sort of refinement of which only the ones who know the mystery will pass through the door. This mystery has a seal but the seal is related to a place or a door to a vault or container that contains evidence perhaps that was submerged back in time. Obviously upon loosening the seal, the knowledge will lead us to this discovery and have understanding of the discovery which could have an effect on all mankind!!
maybe.
We have to see.
Thats the feeling I get.
In addition in response to the no evidence remark. If there was nothing there they wouldn't be going there for a second time.
regards
sevens
[ 07-09-2006, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
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posted 07-09-2006 05:18
- line 132: 6. The personal viewpoint of Paul of Tarsus. And it should be recorded that Mithraism was the dominant religion of Tarsus during his adolescence. Paul little dreamed that his well-intentioned letters to his converts would someday be regarded by still later Christians as the "word of God." Such well-meaning teachers must not be held accountable for the use made of their writings by later-day successors.
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And this is the long story of the teachings of Machiventa Melchizedek on Urantia. It is nearly four thousand years since this emergency Son of Nebadon bestowed himself on Urantia, and in that time the teachings of the "priest of El Elyon, the Most High God," have penetrated to all races and peoples. And Machiventa was successful in achieving the purpose of his unusual bestowal; when Michael made ready to appear on Urantia, the God concept was existent in the hearts of men and women, the same God concept that still flames anew in the living spiritual experience of the manifold children of the Universal Father as they live their intriguing temporal lives on the whirling planets of space.
Maybe I should go on about Christian religions too much and just stick to my research. Lest I fall into the trap of being judgemental myself.
I also found this
- link
There is no danger in religion's becoming more and more of a private matter--a personal experience--provided it does not lose its motivation for unselfish and loving social service. Religion has suffered from many secondary influences: sudden mixing of cultures, intermingling of creeds, diminution of ecclesiastical authority, changing of family life, together with urbanization and mechanization.
Man's greatest spiritual jeopardy consists in partial progress, the predicament of unfinished growth: forsaking the evolutionary religions of fear without immediately grasping the revelatory religion of love. Modern science, particularly psychology, has weakened only those religions which are so largely dependent upon fear, superstition, and emotion.
Transition is always accompanied by confusion, and there will be little tranquillity in the religious world until the great struggle between the three contending philosophies of religion is ended:
1. The spiritistic belief (in a providential Deity) of many religions.
2. The humanistic and idealistic belief of many philosophies.
3. The mechanistic and naturalistic conceptions of many sciences.
And these three partial approaches to the reality of the cosmos must eventually become harmonized by the revelatory presentation of religion, philosophy, and cosmology which portrays the triune existence of spirit, mind, and energy proceeding from the Trinity of Paradise and attaining time-space unification within the Deity of the Supreme.
For me, Its the experience in this research of Eden and the great harmonisation of it. I feel I know what this extract is talking about. It really is the personal experience of the harmonisation of the mystery as it unfolds its physical reality in time and space and in accordance to the what is written and prophesied.
Time space continuum process of unfoldment. Its also related to everyone's personal experience in the daily walk on every level.
regards
sevens
regards
sevens
[ 07-09-2006, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
I was wandering are there old active Volcanos in around Ireland or in the Celtic coast. Is the land mass of Igneous Rock and that is part of an existing island group. Like remnants where it has a large Volcano on it and rises steeply from the sea.
Atlantis must of been in an Volcanic area that must of had steam fissures close by, explaining the hot and cold springs on the acropolis hill.
Plus the Volcano mountain would still be evident and must be a large mountain. 200 meters is not a huge difference in height in sea level change. A large Volcanic mountain should still be evident like Mt Olympus in Cyprus, something like that, a big mountain. Also the island must look upside down like.
Also it would have to be near other civilisations or close by the heart of it?
Also it would have to be in an earthquake prone area as according to Plato the waters changes from Hot to cold
Also I found an reference in Enoch relating to change of waters similar to Plato and speaking about the same valley where the Deluge struck and also describes Volcanic action and effect to a catastrophe.
Here is a link to the Book of Enoch I thought related to the same place as what Plato speaks of which is an Egyptian record, translated.
And surprisingly speaks in the some context from the Egyptian Book of the Dead in my past post. Again the same story but different culture, all in around Cyprus, the Eastern Med.
http://sevenfoldtruth.com/eden/1enoch_66.htm
I thought it was a valid link and parallel.
regards
sevens
[ 07-09-2006, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
No worries can you show me stuff to prove your point. Like data or an expedition or a documentary, something that proves your point.
rather than one liners
Cat I think your comments only fulfil prophecy about your self, I really think your a walking prophecy in the moment of test.
I would really review yourself as this could be for real and you do have a responsibility like everyone else to people close to you buddy.
Just talking like this could be a grave error.
If you reject out of hand this could be a mistake.
think again??? don't underestimate anything these days because you don't know everything.
Lets see what we find and then if I'm wrong then you can go for it.
sevens
[ 07-09-2006, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]Why are the all the scripts saying when they use the word Seven.
What is with this Seven business, the most common the keyword that ties in all the scripts.
I wonder, can anyone work this one out, its everywhere. Is that a hint of some sort relating to an event. I wonder what the idea was?
here is searh in the bible with seven, ark
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=ark%2C+seven&ver=kjv
and on just seven
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=seven&ver=kjv
I think that is unusuall, but why the significants? Why are the scriptures relating to seven?
Is it the tie in with the ancients or something.
What is the mystery behind the use of Seven in all the books? Is that a hint to take note of something relating to seven. I dont know? Would anyone out there have the answer? What is the significants? or are they using seven so at the right time its use and signifcants becomes relevant to the case of the end??
Its a mystery.
Sevens
[ 07-10-2006, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi docyabut, thanks for your input.
I was checking the following verses in Revelation. Checkout how many sevens there are in verse 20
- 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Also note in verse 19 God encourages a Testamony to be written beforehand, before the event, like an open book mystery, similar to what's happening today with this research, all beforehand predicting an event and outcome at an location where it all began. All in type.
Also note the Mystery of the Sevens stars. Is this the Mysteries of Mysteries as mentioned in the Essene papers? I think so, I think its one and same mystery.
So again we have this direct relationship in both records of Jesus and Seven or is that Jesus and the seven paths.
The mystery of the Sevens stars must be related to the Ancient truth, the Ancient of Days as related to in the stars (reflective). Consider the Mazzaroth mentioned in Job 38 and its connection to Orion, Paladies and Acturus. They are all 7 star constellations and the stories relating to them are reflective of the same truth then, which is the same truth coming to pass in reality and is the same truth that is driving this exploration of the truth.
The Sevens angels of the churches is related to the same Sethite truth that was maintained in ages past and is still with us today and can be seen in all cultures through there religions in one way or another, especially through the use of seven or sevenfold truth or representation of it.
However as we get closer to the discovery of his testament on top of the hill, this truth (Jesus and sevens truth, one in the same truth.) forms its own conjunction through the completion of the mystery of the Sevens stars.
If you look in the following in revelation 11 you find this at the time of discovery. Here is work I did about 2 months ago. Sevenfold temple
- Revelation:11
1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
reed like unto a rod: a reed, like a life line that is connected to a R.O.V, the rod, the measuring stick, measuring the temple, the temple of God, and the altar: Measure the temple, around the altar area there should be spring outlet close by and canals close by.
But the court which is without the temple leave out, [1] and measure it not; leave out the courtyard there's nothing of value there. Whilst fascinating its probably to damaged.
the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Holy city=1Eden of Cyprus.
We could be in the actual moment of prophecy concerning this place now.
In the same chapter where the "Ark of his Testament" is discovered, there is a response from Heaven, as an endorsement of support and also marks a time of change. Even though it speaks of a temple in Heaven. I say as in Heaven on Earth where this location is representative of the Holy temple on Earth (the beginning and the end) and actually Enoch said that this this place will be used for judgement.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
the temple of God was opened in heaven: The actual temple on the Acropolis Hill was studied and its mystery was opened. Its a conjoint effort of Heaven and Earth, The temple in heaven and the original temple on Earth.
there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: Near the Altar as discovered "The Ark of his testament" The Evidence, the proof, yeah!!. The discovery activating the seal in the temple and as a response, heaven activates and responds as described in the following:
there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Heaven responds to the discovery with all kinds of things.
Upon the great discovery and realisation the Seventh Angels makes the call. I believe the seventh Angel is a representative of the Trinity of Paradise.
Revelations 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18
Also continuing the Seventh Angels track we see in the following that the Seventh angels calls the end of the Mystery, the mystery of the stars or the Mystery of mysteries.
- 10And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
The Seventh Angel.
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
A voice that filled the whole Earth.
4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
John instructed not e write this particular vision as this was set for a new revelation in the future.
- 10And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3
And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
The call of the finish of the great mystery.
- But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
We are in the days of the Seventh Angel right now. As we all explore this and crack the mystery heaven will respond the end of this mystery.
It seems to me that upon discovery of the Ark of the Testament there is a response of the seventh Angel declaring that the final mystery is complete or the Test is complete and judgment begins and an event happens that effects all of us.
This what I feel is the mysteries of mysteries.
I believe that this mystery had to be in an open book scenario all beforehand of the conclusion. Also it is representative of the Test as in the following
- Rev1:9
What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Well I do send my research to the churches and expose it but the churches wont consider this, at all. Well I have seen no proof of that.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars:
and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: ("The Test") and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Reference to the test beforehand. The3 double edge sword, The Test, the decision, the parting of the ways. Just remember Jesus commands, that's all I say.
In the following is the declaration.
- 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Written beforehand.
- 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Basically the end of the mystery and the stage is set for a new world as expressed in all the books. But one must be worthy for the new world and faith and belief is the requirement.
Note that all has been revealed in accordance to the mandate given in revelations as. Its an open book where upon the mystery has always been there but it is in the day of technology that we can piece the mystery together.
This testament is an virtual open book mystery and was always meant to be. It has nothing to do with money or publishers and sales.
Its is truly a book on the run of Man, God and the last mystery before the second coming.
in my view.
I will know whether this Testamony is accurate by the events that may unfold upon the 2nd expedition off Cyprus.
Its a test a refinement of what's truth and what's not. A demonstration of Gods faithfulness in word and in action.
This will be the only sign.
happy research.
sevens
If anyone has anything to add, please feel free.
The dead sea Scrolls, "The Test, the double edge sword"
4Q215
"...and the stressful constraint and the ordeal of the pit(1stEden) and they shall be refined by them to become the elect of the righteousness....
because of his loving kindness.
[ 07-11-2006, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Egyptian Book of the Dead, one of many extracts
- I have come unto thee. I have drawn nigh to behold thy beauties (thy beneficient goodness). My hands are [extended] in adoration of thy name of "Maat." I have come. I have drawn nigh unto [the place where] the cedar-tree existeth not, where the acacia tree doth not put forth shoots, and where the ground produceth neither grass nor herbs.
Because it is submerged and hidden until now.
Now I have entered into the habitation which is hidden, Made preparation for discovery and discovered the thing that is hidden. and I hold converse with Set.
Deals with the Lucifer rebellion as prophesied and is connection to the discovery, through Judgement.
My protector advanced to me, covered was his face.... on the hidden things.
could this mean an R.O.V. with lights and camera physically on the hidden things cutting something out of the mountain. The actual submarine submerging to the site..
He entered into the house of Osiris, he saw the hidden things which were therein.
Entering a vault near the altar in the temple and discovered the ark of his testament and there in lays remnants of what was there.
The Tchatchau Chiefs of the Pylons were in the form of Spirits.
Is the endorsement or the response from Heaven as prophecied in Revelations upon discovery of the "Ark of his Testament". I think its the same message from a related culture.
All part of the seven mystery or the mystery of the Sevens Stars.
regards
Sevens
Mystery of the Seven Parallel.
Personally knowing a little more than what is present thus far. I think Cyprus is where the action is. Undoubtedly, its just in all the BC books and is revealing themselves in tandem to the discovery and further discoveries of Cyprus.
A conjunction of the highest levels, there is no place on earth where have this phenomena is occurring before our eyes and on the run as we move forward.
regards
sevens
[ 07-11-2006, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hey no worries doc, That's no problem.
All I'm doing is following the Eden track in the scripts. There is many things that I look at and curious to see if it fits and is consistent with all things that I know. When I speak about the kingdom of Heaven, its a spiritual Kingdom where our soul will reside in another body that is part of the universal kingdom of personality and spirit.
The very Kingdom Jesus speaks about and demonstrated in his resurrection and in various appearances. Nothing do with Aliens in the space/time continuum. However as you know I do try and find clues that fit in which lead me to the Urantia revelation and in that, I find many things which lead to me to other things that I reveal.
The Bible and all the scripts is the interaction of Heaven/infinity and time/space, of God and Man. Its all about the spiritual interaction of man and lets say, the Father. Its about Jesus' life, the relationship of The Father and Man. But its a personal journey for each person.
I feel in my search for Eden there is a huge message for man which is really important. I share and reveal my research in case its true and its effects man in that he should know and consider it. In my doing this it becomes a virtual living reality Testamony unfolding in what may become the biggest event ever in mankind that involves The Kingdom of Heaven. Literally before our eyes.
This ancient secret/mystery could only come from the scriptures, all of them. Not just the Bible exclusive. Every piece of the puzzle fits as we move forward to the event and as we can piece together looking back in time. It becomes mans Testamony to the event, all before hand and in faith. Its the test of faith in the scriptures and the voice of The Father in this, as you piece the information together and combine. But you have to seek the path and that's between God and man.
Everything seems to match prophecy of today's timeline.
Jesus himself reveals many things that all point to Eden, direct. The discovery of Eden and what it represents, is in the books. The key word in this all is Seven or sevenfold or seventh, to me this represents The Trinity of Paradise.
What I posted from the Urantia Book is that kind of harmonization that is occurring of all levels knowledge. Its is a conjunction in space/time that leads straight to the Trinity of Paradise, the highest levels in Heaven. This whole conjunction is direct from Paradise direct to man. Its a gift from Paradise.
1 year ago I proclaimed it was the Paradise Trinity but since then, I have discovered it goes direct to the top levels of Heaven itself.
Like finding un chartered territory of this journey as man explores this new experience of revelation on a new level. Its the keys to heaven, of Paradise. This is a huge discovery in theology you know, bigger than reformation. This is bigger than any revelation man has seen right here, right now.
- And these three partial approaches to the reality of the cosmos must eventually become harmonized by the revelatory presentation of religion, philosophy, and cosmology which portrays the triune existence of spirit, mind, and energy proceeding from the Trinity of Paradise and attaining time-space unification within the Deity of the Supreme.
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energy proceeding from the Trinity of Paradise and attaining time-space unification within the Deity of the Supreme.
The Trinity of Paradise. Incredible, this is exactly what I experience when I discover a piece to the puzzle. I know this harmonization and understand it. This all happens in my search for Eden in the scripts. Truly amazing. and finding this after the events all beforehand, that I should write and to discover later that I was right? revelatory.
Sevenfold Books Research
There will be representative that will come here and when it happens there will represent a huge change remembering that we are in the last throws of the rebellion. This will be the last of it, like, this is the striking moment in time. People who completely reject this will not be considered in what is to come. That's what I am reading.
Remember Jesus or Michael of Nebadon is directly one of there own, he is a Paradise Son, a son of the Trinity. The Trinity of Paradise, They are here to deal with the system that is responsible for the death of Jesus and it will be held accountable for that grievous mistake and that's why a pathway has been created through Jesus through his life and his message is that the ones with faith, the Faith sons and all those that believe, even halfhearted will be protected in this time and throughout what is to come in preparation of the new world.
That's what I think and that feeling seems to be getting stronger in my personal confirmation.
Anyway I thought I would share this with you to give you a better understanding of what I think.
regards
sevens
[ 07-13-2006, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Pretty Harsh thing to say .
The aim is not to judge others but let the Ancients of Days judge what is acceptable or not in the Kingdom of heaven.
The most acceptable thing is Love for one another and learning to understand each other. Through the witness of your own love for another then I feel you attract people to your inner thoughts and belief and they start emanate there own love for one another through your example. from within.
Anyway the new world will be based on this principle which encompasses truth , discovery, sharing knowledge not keeping it. Not judgeing and excluding. Transparent and open.
regards
sevens
[ 07-12-2006, 11:45 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
- Isaiah 42 25 I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
27 The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.
Isaiah 41
To me it speaks of the current time line. Its an interesting read.
- luke 13
18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like ? and whereunto I resemble it? 19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.
regards
sevens
[ 07-13-2006, 05:26 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
- Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written [6] in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
and
1Peter 6:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: [1] but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
and
Psalm 65 Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.
2 O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
3 Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.
4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
and
Job6:5 By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea:
8 Oh that I might have my request; and that God would grant me the thing that I long for!
9 Even that it would please God to destroy me; that he would let loose his hand, and cut me off!
10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One.
11 What is my strength, that I should hope? and what is mine end, that I should prolong my life?
12 Is my strength the strength of stones? or is my flesh of brass
13 Is not my help in me? and is wisdom driven quite from me?
and
Psalms 22
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
regards
sevens
[ 07-13-2006, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
We are in the moment today, take note please.
The LORD's Judgment on the Earth
- Isaiah 24 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.
4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.
7 The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merryhearted do sigh.
8 The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth.
9 They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.
10 The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in.
11 There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone.
12 In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction.
13 When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.
14 They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the Lord, they shall cry aloud from the sea.
15 Wherefore glorify ye the Lord in the fires, even the name of the Lord God of Israel in the isles of the sea.
16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.
- 17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
- Jeremiah 15 O Lord, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for thy sake I have suffered rebuke.
16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O Lord God of hosts.
17 I sat not in the assembly of the mockers, nor rejoiced; I sat alone because of thy hand: for thou hast filled me with indignation.
18 Why is my pain perpetual, and my wound incurable, which refuseth to be healed? wilt thou be altogether unto me as a liar, and as waters that fail
19 Therefore thus saith the Lord, If thou return, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt stand before me: and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth: let them return unto thee; but return not thou unto them.
20 And I will make thee unto this people a fenced brasen wall: and they shall fight against thee, but they shall not prevail against thee: for I am with thee to save thee and to deliver thee, saith the Lord.
21 And I will deliver thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.
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Get the picture, the message, The testing period is now not later.
- 4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
In essence as I read these scripts and attempt to define the truth further.
I find that Jesus is making all of us a very simple offer of trust and faith in his words.
Thats all.
Its a simple offer from Jesus and the prophets.
Its is between Man and God and is open to all manner of brothers and sisters no matter what they do or pursue. There is no division in this Kingdom and all manner of men will be treated with respect and on the same level.
Even if your against what I say. Just in your background thoughts just consider a small inner prayer within your heart of trust and faith.
Personally I wont everyone in this forum to have a chance opf success if this truly a pending situation.
I would suggest in the next 2 months to consider this probation period that is set to finish soon.
I desire to speak to everyone after the event. I don't want anyone no matter who, to loose their life if this is true what I'm seeing.
Even if you don't believe or your pride is great, don't worry about pride and who is right and who is wrong, its doesn't matter. Just have a bit of belief and just consider it. You don't have tell anyone for fear of whatever. If you make that inner acknowledgement then that decision is set in stone and you will be fine
No worries at all. Nothing to worry about. You will have peace and be protected.
For those who reject completely. I say pull your finger out and read again, everything because your knowledge will come to naught and there will be nothing to save you. Because when the Earth changes happen after Judgement, the Spirit of the Lord and the faith sons and others who believe, even halfheartedly, will be taken to place of protection only to descend to a clean earth, the new world run by essentially, the Jesus message.
Anyway I wish all the best. This message is not a hard one, it doesn't take you individuality away and does not take your sovereignty away.
Its a really simple easy message. Just consider it.
regards
sevens
[ 07-13-2006, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
I know Elmer's message as very solid message and does pull punches. But don't estimate what he is saying because essentially its true and is in line with the signs of the time. Now.
Before anyone blows him off, Just consider for a moment that he is right, I wouldn't reject his message of salvation because it is consistent with all the research within and without the Bible that point to the great and only sign of real change.
Elmer comes from a line of fundamentalist Christians I think? I know his message is brutal enough to turn any off but he is not here to be friend, he is here to get a basic message across that should not be ignored.
Believe me with what is to come don't blow it off because. The on coming Judgement will be brutal, extremely brutal where all knowledge outside of the truth will fail. So if it takes this kind of approach to make people think rather than falling into the pit. Then let it be so.
Elmer's is here to do a job and that is to assist man in this manifestation of a believer trying to help man in this perplexing period.
consider all things, don't reject out of hand, it will be a mistake.
Its a simple message of trust in Gods words and faith, that is the test before Judgement. Also everything will seem normal before judgement (like man screwing man...normal!) until the call, don't get sucked into the "She'll be right mate business" or everything is nice, pleasant and happy. Its only the calm before the storm. Also things aren't normal on this planet and not everyone is happy particularly the ones who have no benefit of what we have today.
Particularly the poor who are inflicted by rubbish leaders and who have only God to appeal to because man is an ass towards his fellow brother and couldn't give a damn except for himself and his rubbish thoughts. Its not what he says because most of the time its just a big lie, all crap. But its his background thoughts, you know what I mean and the crap within those thoughts.
This is where the problem lays.
Most of mans words and thoughts are evil preoccupied on how to screw the his brother. Look at the world around us??? Like the stock market, the all time bloodbath.
This problem will be dealt with soon.
Who is happy? hardly anyone regardless of technology. Not many people.
regards
sevens
Hi Elmer.
The quote you presented. I know that as a true experience. When my family see me its the roll your eyes experience.
But I don't care because I know what is to come is true and revealed and endorsed by all the scripts including Jesus' own words.
Really take note people, serious no joke just be aware of yourselves, reflect and prepare. Its a simple message and it wont be fun or happy. Like I said before it will be brutal. The whole experience and the faith believers will be spared. That's why we express our own brutality in love for one another to jolt people to reflect upon themselves and where there at in life.
Remembering that the System that murdered Jesus A paradise Trinity Son is in for a reckoning as Paradise are upset with what happened and have come to wipe out the system forever. This is real retribution and the rebellion will be over. FOREVER.
Justice may be slow in the universal courts of the Ancient of Days. But when justice comes it is sure and we are in the midst of it.
It will be no mucking operation where Paradise, The Trinity of Paradise are serious, real serious.
Its time for thinking, real self thinking of which side of the plumb line you stand. Its the parting of the ways happening now.
regards
sevens
[ 07-13-2006, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Sarah
You're right, One thing for sure I will know if I'm right when the R.O.V is above the acropolis Hill and hopefully unlocks the mystery.
If I'm right it may be an event, if I'm wrong well III leave from here and wont bother anyone again and put it down to creative thoughts.
But so far so good. You know there is a real energy about the location and the information connected to it. Understanding the soul of it gives you real insight into it. I feel the temple in Jerusalem was built in type to the location, 1st Eden. That's what I reckon it is Sarah for sure. I think all the information in the bible is about now and the location. Actually I think its Sion, the bible refers to it as a location to the North of Jerusalem, I think Eden, maybe you could help me there.
What I'm promoting is goodwill amongst all people, all religions, no exclusivity at all. But I think the Jesus message is a very strong key.
The whole thing wrapped around Eden is just incredible the levels of intelligence in this is a revelation of the Father for sure, undoubtedly. In physical and in word. I have no doubt its all in the Torah. I I'd be a real good read.
Everything that is happening is a space/time unification of the Trinity of Paradise. Being a student of the Urantia Book and all other books I understand the experience. Its like a spiritual connection a path of personal revelatory experience of the Father and seeing his handy work over time as the reality of ones faith in the will of God manifests. As best as I can describe it.
You know I started this kind of posting on your forum about 2 months ago sharing my discoveries. I proclaimed the test scenario of faith connected to what lays on the Acropolis Hill in accordance to the scripts and expressing my feelings about this place and its significant to mankind. Revealed all. Last night, I was studying Isaiah and discovered much of what's happening and reflecting on my activities and reading about it, everything that has occurred. Reading about the past in the present. A time space connection of infinity, wouldn't that be. A reality scenario read about and actually lived out the experience and read about in the present, identifying key markers that you can identify with in your own life experience of the current and distant past. Its a bridge in the space/time continuum to infinity. I suppose?? Its is a different thing to see. Its what religion was all about originally.
Tell me I'm wrong!! The Test scenario, beforehand, the message of glad tidings among all man and its manifestation at this time during the test and before the end, how its communicated, out of nowhere it comes, so many things that fit the reality. That's all I speak about. A living reality of I feel immense proportions, I think its a demonstration of his righteousness.
I found 3 areas that speak about right now and the beforehand revealment and the test period and then what happens. Its all revealed, its all up there anyone can approach me, no worries.
Sarah, I'm quite happy to share with you, what I found last night, highlighted in blue, I have more than what I posted which is a personal witness in this experience. I have no problem with that.
some thoughts
all the best
sevens
[ 07-14-2006, 04:29 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
[ 07-14-2006, 04:16 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
- Isaiah 44: 26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
Through a discovery and the revelation it provides in the search and exploration of Eden in the scripts, all of them. The discovery and the information related to it will bring new light and will enhance the truth further bringing all religions together.
27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:
This infers great earth changes on the planet, it also could mean an actual resurrection of the location (Atlantis Rising) Very speclatory but anything is possible these days. Especially if the second coming occurs or something like that. If this occurs this could fulfill Cayces prophecy Atlantis rising literally but in the new world. People who reject will not see this. from what I see.
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
Cyrus helps the restoration of the Second temple of Israel right.
Cyrus, very similar to Cyprus. Also Cyrus is a Persian right, Who is the leader of the Cyprus/Atlantis project. Where does his lineage, come from?
Looks to me that the new temple will be built upon the wasted places. Well to me this all speaks of Cyprus and the location of Eden/Atlantis City. That is the original stone temple from 38,000 years ago, the beginning and The father is resurrecting that and the truth of it through a new expansion in religion that combines all the truth from every book that is relevant to the case.
Its all a case of confirming the word in the bible in this Isaiah 44, confirming the entities involved on all levels with names and motives of the Heaven around this place. All the characters are involved its a foreseen saga and every sequence is playing itself out. If this is correct. This is of the highest levels from the Trinity of Paradise, has to be. That's I share this so I can be corrected if Im wrong and also to give mankind some help if it requires.
Its the Testamony of discovery in word and in the physical reality that matches. I believe this is the mystery of the Seven Stars or the mystery of mysteries.
I just realised this as I reflect back in the past and see the events that have unfolded coming to this realisation now. I feel its a space/time unification of realisation of the past and present. The events and reality seem to fit in actual sequence written and foreseen in the BC era. These events today seem to match, if this is correct this is a new revelation which way beyond and is confirmed in the scriptures.
A space time mystery where space/time is gapped through revelation in touching the world of the infinity/eternal. Something like that, trying to understand this further.
This might give light to other things that come to mind. III explore those thoughts and see what it unfolds.
Here some ideas I had as I went through the following link in relation to this reality of Eden.
Speculation, with a strong sense.
I also believe that the dimensions of Ezekiel's Temple that he saw in his vision matches the Cyprus location in dimension including all the features of the Acropolis Hill. The outer circumference dimension matches the submerged land mass above water including Cyprus, approximately 1500 miles, its an amazing match.
I also wouldn't be surprised that in the new world the Morontia temple built in space will descend on this spot, on the location above water in the new world. I believe this is where Sion is, Zion in the North of Jerusalem.
I'm only having a stab at it. III know whether I'm wrong or right, soon ok. This interpretation is subject to change and alteration. Don't hold it against me, its only research and exploration into reality and events in a timeline.
http://sevenfoldtruth.com/eden/isaiah_44.htm
regards
Sevens
[ 07-14-2006, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Oscar
I think some of thos links in Peru are just fantastic really confirms much in my research of the tranferance of knowl;edge.
It really connected much more for me. Regarding the Peruvian faces. Do they go back around 12000 years or so?
All the best
sevens
posted 07-16-2006 06:35 AM
Hi
I was going through the Isaiah Series looking for time markers and I noticed this
Isaiah 41 25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
Note the towers falling.
then in the next verse the mention of the Sevenfold information and its association with a hypothesis, a time marker,
26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
then in Isaiah 33, note the mention of the scribe in relation to the towers?? Its seems very obvious of whom the scriptures speak of.
18 Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver where is he that counted the towers?
Was that about Bin Laden? a scribe who measured the towers for an evil purpose? Is that a time reference marker, a clue of the times that we are in.? Also note the Plural in towers , speaking of 2 towers not one.
- I Enoch 99:6
Woe to you, ye perverted in heart, who are watchful to obtain an accurate knowledge of Evil, and to discover terrors.
No one shall assist you.
All paints the same story about terrorism and the time line.
regards
sevens
[ 07-16-2006, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Is this a reference to the Test.
The pit and the snare
- Isaiah 24 16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.
17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
Ive been going through the Isaiah Books, all of them.
Im starting to realise that all of them in essence speak of this timeline. I really getting the feeling.
Regards
sevens
[ 07-16-2006, 07:34 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Isaiah 22
11 Ye made also a ditch between the two walls for the water of the old pool: but ye have not looked unto the maker thereof, neither had respect unto him that fashioned it long ago.
Eden the discovery of it, who fashioned it. How it is received. No one sees the significants of it.
regards
sevens
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Hi Ishtar,
How are you? well I hope. I enjoyed your posts and the various bible references. There all good and certainly matches what I finding.
The past couple of days Ive been going through the Isaiah papers. Its been a great experience. Ive been reading them from the prospective of the Eden, the location and the last days, uncovering much. Even though scholars think Isaiah is forecasting Jesus, which he does. I feel there is a duality that also points to this current timeline and confirmed many things that I have expressed without knowing this.
Bizarre as it seems, I recognise many things that are personal that I have witnessed in my own timeline and discovering the post about the scribe and two towers in addition the Towers mentioned in the same paper with the sevenfold prophecy and association with the breach proceeding, it seems more than a coincidence. Strange!
I also noticed many references of proclamation of beforehand of the event, of a message that burns hearts which I believe is the test of the soul, before the event but then I noticed that no hears nor believes at all, there a few in the Isle (America) that do respond with good tidings towards one another in light of this message but the rest...nothing at all! I cant believe it.
II'd say that would be right, however what people say and think can be 2 different things. May be deep in there soul, people are considering these things but I hope they emit the right decision.
I also found a verse that gives you an estimation of how many people will survive which is 10%. Can you believe it 10 percent!!! What a disaster for non belief and rejection of the Father and his simple message. Something so simple, the easiest thing to do with a kind offer that takes no soveriegnty away. Yet in spite of this man flat out rejects.
If this forecast is correct man is in for a disaster. What a routing that is for this planet.
10% I cant believe it.
Come on mankind, just a litte prayer, even halfhearted. Thats all it takes if this information correct and on target. Even if Im wrong its still a good test of the soul to get his act together.
Anyway, I think Isaiah speaks nearly all about the last times with key markers of the timeline that we can identify today.
Some people come down on me a bit. Thats OK I understand because I say is brutal, its not a nice message. But that what Im reading from ancient documents, that has been preserved for thousands of years in our past. Although there may be inconsistancy here and there but essentially it should be respected and at least investigated for whatever reasons becuase in many ways it could be dead on. Literaly.
At those kinds of Odds of 10% maybe one has to be brutal in what one says. Instead IId rather show my research, so people can view it themselves and make up there own mind up.
Personaly, I wouldnt under estimate this information. What was just an adventure in the scripts with desire is turning out to be something else of a saga, a desperate saga for mankind. Like condition red for his soul.
- Here is the piece out of Isaiah
Isaiah 6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
The understanding of this given by God.
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
Self improvement from the information.
8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
For sure we all go and proclaim, why not! Its a journey and a half.
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
They dont underdstnad the message and regard this like all other information. People will not hear nor understand this.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
12 And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.
10% percent survive incredible.
All the best everyone,
sevens
[ 07-17-2006, 03:47 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
In this piece I looking at time markers. In the following extract I noticed 70 years as a timeline
I noticed the term Harlot is used. I wonder why its used? Anyway I also noticed that The Urantia Book came through in 1934 and the discovery of Eden was in 2004. That's a seventy year time period from induction which would of been seen as questionable from traditional religion. Looked down upon. The
- 14 Howl, ye ships of Tarshish: for your strength is laid waste.
A change is apparent in relation to what is about to occur.
15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.
Speculation, The Urantia book came through in 1934 discovery of 1stEden 2004 that's 70 years difference. So we have a discovery 70 years apart and today we have Eden in the scriptures and the message, a thought.
16 Take an harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered.
The Urantia Book, being not considered and frowned upon and 70 years later it is largely forgotten about, until it begins to shine by the discovery of Eden in 2004, 70 years later. And proclaimed to jog peoples memory or to introduce the book.
17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the Lord will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.
The Lord himself will visit Tyre, visit Earth which at that time will be corrupt. Apparently a world that will have disbelief in this and largely will forget God and not be interested a type of fornication.
18 And her merchandise and her hire shall be holiness to the Lord: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her merchandise shall be for them that dwell before the Lord, to eat sufficiently, and for durable clothing.
Suggests that there will be a reversal in the world where the treasure that man strives for today will be used for practical purposes in the new world. It wont be treasured or kept away, it will be shared. Thats the feeling I get.
Also is this the king "according to the days of one king:" Is Enoch the king note the 7th week, the Urantia Book 70 years ago from 1934 and the book that led to the discovery of Eden.
1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the Seventh Week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,
also
1 Enoch 104:10 Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe;
Is this a time marker of the current timeline. There seems to be forming all characters to the saga.
Also note that 2nd Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70A.D. a 70 year difference from the death of Jesus and then note: the discovery of Eden seventy years after the beginning of the Urantia Book in 1934, the Sevenfold doctrine and mentioned in Isaiah and in Enoch. I find that a match in the historic timeline of similar events but one of resurrection of the temple of today rather than destruction.
rapture
- extract
And here in 1Book of Adam and Eve
14:2 But God the Lord said to Adam, "Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden,into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it -- in the kingdom of heaven."
Is that for the raptured, "in the kingdom of heaven" and they will descend with the temple from heaven.
http://sevenfoldtruth.com/eden/jesus_prophecy.htm
I think that's right but if anyone got some ideas on this I'm open to it.
regards
sevens
[ 07-17-2006, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
40 days test, direct reference to the complete journey to the ancient places. Undoubtedly.
Hi Ideopraxist
Un real Ideopraxist, unbelievable!! to say the least. I really liked the piece you submitted from Ezra. Seems very relevant to the case.
The verse below really spoke to me not to mention all the others.
- [22] If then I have found favor before thee, send the Holy Spirit into me, and I will write everything that has happened in the world from the beginning, the things which were written in thy law, that men may be able to find the path, and that those who wish to live in the last days may live."
The mystery unlocked beforehand predicting the near future through the scripts in recognition to the time markers embedded.
[34] If you, then, will rule over your minds and discipline your hearts, you shall be kept alive, and after death you shall obtain mercy.
The appeal of the test for personal self correction of the soul, the openness to God in your heart, like a friend. Show glad tidings and share the information.
[35] For after death the judgment will come, when we shall live again; and then the names of the righteous will become manifest, and the deeds of the ungodly will be disclosed.
The prize for faith is surviving impending earth changes from the effect of Judgement.
[36] But let no one come to me now, and let no one seek me for forty days."A couple of weeks ago I presented the test scenario before judgement and shortly after I put 40 day period on it and to discover this now and 40 day period where no one seeks God is match to the 40 day test proclaimed 10 days ago I think.
I was inspired by the fact that Jesus was in the wilderness for 40 days ,a test and the Israelites were in the wilderness for 40 years, a testing period before being led into the promised land.
So I equated that 40 day time period with this current test before being led into the promised land. To find this in Ezra of a 40 days testing period of the soul is like a match and is a demonstration of this time phenomena of proceeding out of the mouth and being to led to scripture after the fact that confirms what was said, beforehand upon discovery. I'm kind of thinking that making that proclamation was something that was set in stone or nailed in place by the Blacksmith mentioned in Isaiah
Its so bizarre it must be a sign that its the right pathway to this place.
Then when I read this
- [39] Then I opened my mouth, and behold, a full cup was offered to me; it was full of something like water, but its color was like fire.
Like a coal given from the throne of the temple as mentioned in Isaiah, Like knowledge and understanding of the Mystery
[40] And I took it and drank; and when I had drunk it, my heart poured forth understanding, and wisdom increased in my breast, for my spirit retained its memory;
By studying it and being led by the Father through the scripts you begin to unravel it over time and it begins to piece together in a picture of a scenario.
[41] and my mouth was opened, and was no longer closed.
Couldn't stop talking about it because of the ongoing serious of discoveries by myself and now by others joining in the quest for mankind.
Fantastic Ideopraxist thanks for your post, I found so much in that.
Then finding this and consider this whole work is really a testamant written before and during the 40 day testing period and Ezra says a book will be written in that time and will be a testament in the future world. The same time period and reality that are happening now seems to fit the reality as spoken about.
The ending of the 40 day test
- [42] And the Most High gave understanding to the five men, and by turns they wrote what was dictated, in characters which they did not know. They sat forty days, and wrote during the daytime, and ate their bread at night.
This knowledge is from the most high and is preparation and was a result of being led in the scripts, looking for Eden/Atlantis of Cyprus
[43] As for me, I spoke in the daytime and was not silent at night.
That's true, its compelling and its a fulltime experience and I wish I could do this fulltime.
[44] So during the forty days ninety-four books were written.
Like in this reality a testament is being compiled as I or we interpret the scripts in our search. It stimulates search upon this mystery in the books and unyields its treasures.
[45] And when the forty days were ended, the Most High spoke to me, saying, "Make public the twenty-four books that you wrote first and let the worthy and the unworthy read them;
Its like this testament and all the books of the past are being revealed.
[46] but keep the seventy that were written last, in order to give them to the wise among your people.
I feel this could be a reference to a new book of God that harmonises all the other books the Urantia Book. This is the sevenfold instruction that is given and for me personally its my guide into the scripts, like leaning on the UB as I discover the mystery in all the books. Just brilliant.
[47] For in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the river of knowledge."
Great wisdom came out of this new Book The Urantia Book and seems to match the time period 70 years before the discovery of Eden same as mentioned in Isaiah where the same 70 year period is mentioned and related to the same reality.
Now in this period, we are getting the full benefits of all the books combined. It is a joy to explore and to discover Eden/Atlantis in the books.
[48] And I did so. 2Esdras 14:20-46.
It is done and is happening now in today's reality.
I think this mystery is all about parallel realities working together in the unification of the space/time reality and is a result of the Trinity of Paradise.
There presence must be giving result to this ongoing phenomena of the scriptures and in the physical reality. Its like spiritual and physical merging forming a conjunction to a climax. A single point in time. The discovery or the 40 days. It could be whatever comes first. Just a thought.
But in reflection we are talking about
A book, 40 day period, like a test in which a book was written, like a testament. The Most High is involved directly. With judgment predicted or change and a message.
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Seven's you should like that, it's "The Seventh Vision" of The Lord to Ezra
WOW!! I am impressed I just saw that post. Seventh Vision. That's is exactly what is manifesting. Outstanding. These are big discoveries for religion and is truly an alive experience and adventure in to the unchartered, like where no man has gone before and we all experiencing it.
Its worth investigating more, not bad for Atlantis/Eden the location and what it stirs within mankind.
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sevens
[ 07-17-2006, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
You know Ideopraxist
This is a real living record of the quest for mankind, its a testament of the future. The great quest. No better quest than this.as we have structure and in reality. I'm sure future generations will look upon this record as the great battle of faith through the mire against all odds a real epic, a saga, a revelatory and revealed journey of exploration and discovery with wars all about. An adventure of man in amidst conflict.
The faith of man and God will shine through the darkness and will illuminate. I have faith the Father will open all doors and none will be shut by any man.
I'm sure this whole experience is of the highest levels. Just by witnessing the harmonisation of the scriptures in what we see and experience.
The Urantia Book
The Urantia Book link
- I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?
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sevens
[ 07-17-2006, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Devlin.
Apparently there is second location close to site . Its bigger than the Acropolis Hill and on one end there looks like a quarry area with large blocks like in Baalbek.. The wall is mentioned in The Urantia Book in the exact place. The discovery of Atlantis Book predicted the location even before the French images where known. The only evidence they had in 2003 was Russian Bathymetric data.
Since then there has been an abundance of evidence and agreement on the ruins.. Again this the Book and the discovery was all before the event. There is time/space phenomena that surrounds this place and especially through the scripts. Just look for Eden, hidden stone, mountain, hidden things, garden, boughs as keywords in all the books and it will begin and interesting journey.
All the best
sevens
Hi Rajesh
Its a real shame with all the wrong interpretation of religion that it comes down to this.
Religion is supposed to be a beautiful thing of the soul where a person shines through truth, beauty and goodness. No violence.
You know I have high hopes that the Cyprus location could bring peace to the region by its further discovery but now the whole region is virtually a war zone.
But then we have to have faith that this will pass and the light of the Father will shine through like a beacon. No violence or harm to our fellow man. But surely that is the true witness of religion, the fruits it leaves. I believe that if we think that a solution is at hand it will come to pass with a construct that is already available in the all the scripts.
I think what is happening is virtually the last stand scenario playing itself out and interestingly it is mentioned in the scripts that there will be war. On the same token you have Eden/Atlantis and the truth behind it just around the corner. You have all the characters in reality playing out there role as described in the past.
I would take heart that eventually things may change soon, hopefully for the best. Its funny putting faith in the message of Atlantis/Eden ruins to bring in world peace today. You know it could be the catalysts that no one can explain and would be confounded by it. Particulary if there is an event. It does come from a level which is an independent source that no one can lay claim to except the Urantia Book interestingly. The location does have a deep underlying message like the father sitting in the background ready to swoop and correct. I believe that we are in the last throws of all this conflict. One doesnt have to go to the location for a correction to happen. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next month and how all sides respond.
I noticed another earth quake near Java I wonder if this will be more apparent.
Anyway here is a thought from the UB.
- link Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth.
The prophet who said, "He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God," was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology.
This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God.
All the best
sevens
[ 07-18-2006, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Ideopraxist and Riven
Ideopraxist Ive been looking at Isaiah and found many references to beforehand scenarios. Like in the following. I think there maybe some in Ezra. When I finish Isaiah III have to look in to Ezra but I do see similarities in both books which speak of the same thing.
- Isaiah 48:2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The Lord of hosts is his name.
3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.
The realties that are present fit this scenario or is in the process.
regards
sevens
Hi Ideopraxist
Its is a great revelation and you identify the reality time markers that are spread throughout the books and piece them together using the physical location of Eden as the focus you can piece the mystery, What I call the mystery of the Seven Stars. Surely this reality as seen in the scriptures over time through all the God revelaed men is the reality stamp of the Gods and with men of vision. Evolved over time. The truth of the Heaven over space/time pointing to this one reality and then a realisation concerning his his soul, mankinds soul.
This is way beyond man and is a demonstration of the Father through a wonder and a book. This is the birth of a great realisation or mystery of God, of the ancients.
Everything that is was written is now.
Im glad you're seeing this, Its where the witness of two see it and Jesus is in the midst as the heavenly witness. There is a response, an heavenly response. Its amazing that now we see through the paths that Eden/Atlantis was the clue in physical and with its focus on it unlocked the message of the Gods, an endorsement of an message that is already espoused today.
So everything this that has occurred has occurred beforehand in faith and then realising it later in the scripts. Now if this true and correct this realisation then what is to come must be true as well.
That is the test of the test of mans soul. If all is true then the foreseen reality at this point on should unfold as according to all the ancient scripts. I feel the revelation of Jesus in the scripts has a duality to this time. Its all faith journey.
I never thought that studying the old testament was so compelling and mysterious. I study at the moment which becomes a second priority when you consider this huge discovery. That is the perplexity of faith, Its an all faith journey into the scripts and its a journey of faith.
Anyway, thanks for looking into it for me.
Here is a piece I found in the Book of Jubilees 2 years ago. Its got some of my ideas imbedded. This was a major as you will see.
- Jubilees 8 " 26 (even) sweet spices acceptable before the Lord on the Mount. For the Lord has four places on the earth, the Garden of Eden, and the Mount of the East, and this mountain on which thou art this day, Mount Sinai, and Mount Zion will be sanctified in the new creation for a sanctification of the earth;
This mountain is mentioned and is held in the same regard as a holy mountain. Its all about the location, its the Cyprus location Eden/Atlantis.
In the following is another reference to the 1st Garden of Eden from the Book of Jubilees.
23 testified against (them) all. And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden (1st Eden) in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation.
24 and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it (God) brought the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden; (As a consequence of disobedience) for there he was set as a sign (So the submerged 1stEden becomes a sign for the future.) and that he should testify against all the children of men, that he should recount all the
25 deeds of the generations until the day of condemnation. (judgement day) And he burnt the incense of the sanctuary,
Really spells out the whole scenario and what is is coming to pass. Its amazing this journey, there is no location on earth where its all coming together and when man has realised this. I'm sure man will respond.
Hopefully
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sevens
[ 07-19-2006, 05:33 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]The feeling I get. Is that its a race of time. Now that it is unlocked and recognised the time clock begins, like in the movies and there are traps like attitudinal traps that can be corrected through its message.
Many people will fall in the pit through disbelief even in light of the clues, the reality clues. Thats what the scripts says.
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sevens
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quote:
1:7 For the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world: and that which containeth all things hath knowledge of the voice.
I thought this was an interesting quote
and
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis008.htm
- 8:12 When I hold my tongue, they shall bide my leisure, and when I speak, they shall give good ear unto me: if I talk much, they shall lay their hands upon their mouth.
8:13 Moreover by the means of her I shall obtain immortality, and leave behind me an everlasting memorial to them that come after me.
8:14 I shall set the people in order, and the nations shall be subject unto me.
and
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis009.htm
9:17 And thy counsel who hath known, except thou give wisdom, and send thy Holy Spirit from above?
9:18 For so the ways of them which lived on the earth were reformed, and men were taught the things that are pleasing unto thee, and were saved through wisdom.
and
- http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis010.htm
10:1 She preserved the first formed father of the world, that was created alone, and brought him out of his fall,
10:2 And gave him power to rule all things.
10:3 But when the unrighteous went away from her in his anger, he perished also in the fury wherewith he murdered his brother.
10:4 For whose cause the earth being drowned with the flood, wisdom again preserved it, and directed the course of the righteous in a piece of wood of small value.
10:5 Moreover, the nations in their wicked conspiracy being confounded, she found out the righteous, and preserved him blameless unto God, and kept him strong against his tender compassion toward his son
and
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis011.htm
11:4 When they were thirsty, they called upon thee, and water was given them out of the flinty rock, and their thirst was quenched out of the hard stone.
Its like a type for knowledge coming from the Acropolis Hill of Cyprus. same thing.
and
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis012.htm
12:1 For thine incorruptible Spirit is in all things.
12:2 Therefore chastenest thou them by little and little that offend, and warnest them by putting them in remembrance wherein they have offended, that leaving their wickedness they may believe on thee, O Lord.
12:3 For it was thy will to destroy by the hands of our fathers both those old inhabitants of thy holy land,
12:26 But they that would not be reformed by that correction, wherein he dallied with them, shall feel a judgment worthy of God.
12:27 For, look, for what things they grudged, when they were punished, that is, for them whom they thought to be gods; [now] being punished in them, when they saw it, they acknowledged him to be the true God, whom before they denied to know: and therefore came extreme damnation upon them.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis013.htm
13:1 Surely vain are all men by nature, who are ignorant of God, and could not out of the good things that are seen know him that is: neither by considering the works did they acknowledge the workmaster;
and
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis018.htm
18:24 For in the long garment was the whole world, and in the four rows of the stones was the glory of the fathers graven, and thy Majesty upon the daidem of his head.
18:25 Unto these the destroyer gave place, and was afraid of them: for it was enough that they only tasted of the wrath.
and
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis018.htm
18:6 Of that night were our fathers certified afore, that assuredly knowing unto what oaths they had given credence, they might afterwards be of good cheer.
18:7 So of thy people was accepted both the salvation of the righteous, and destruction of the enemies.
18:9 For the righteous children of good men did sacrifice secretly, and with one consent made a holy law, that the saints should be like partakers of the same good and evil, the fathers now singing out the songs of praise.
18:14 For while all things were in quiet silence, and that night was in the midst of her swift course,
18:15 Thine Almighty word leaped down from heaven out of thy royal throne, as a fierce man of war into the midst of a land of destruction,
18:16 And brought thine unfeigned commandment as a sharp sword, and standing up filled all things with death; and it touched the heaven, but it stood upon the earth.
18:21 For then the blameless man made haste, and stood forth to defend them; and bringing the shield of his proper ministry, even prayer, and the propitiation of incense, set himself against the wrath, and so brought the calamity to an end, declaring that he was thy servant.
18:22 So he overcame the destroyer, not with strength of body, nor force of arms, but with a word subdued him that punished, alleging the oaths and covenants made with the fathers.
This is a whole scenario of the change before the earth changes is expressed this series of books of wisdom and confirmed by the other texts that speak about the last times, the process. All about the timeline we are in.
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sevens
[ 07-19-2006, 07:10 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/aes014.htm#002
- 14:17 And that thine handmaid hath not eaten at Aman's table, and that I have not greatly esteemed the king's feast, nor drunk the wine of the drink offerings
Is this the same Amam as in the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
THE OSIRIS AUFANKH, WHOSE WORD IS TRUTH, SAITH: Hail, saith Horus, O Twenty-first pylon of the Still-Heart! I have made the way. I know thee.
I know thy name. I know the name of the goddess who guardeth thee. "Sword that smiteth at the utterance of its own name, stinking face, overthrower of him that approacheth her flame" is thy name.
Thou keepest the hidden things of the avenger of the god, thou guardest them.
Amam is his name.
He maketh the ash trees not to grow, and the shenu trees not to blossom, and preventeth copper from being found in the mountain. The Tchatcha (Chiefs) of this Pylon are Seven Gods. Tchen, or Anthch (At), is the name of the one at the door. Hetepmes is the name of another there. Messep is the name of another there. Utchara is the name of another there. Beq is the name of another there. Anp (Anubis) is the name of another there
Thats a strong connection into the Book of the Dead a direct parallel in the Additions to Esther.
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sevens
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/sir001.htm
- Sirach 1:24 He will hide his words for a time, and the lips of many shall declare his wisdom.
1:25 The parables of knowledge are in the treasures of wisdom: but godliness is an abomination to a sinner.
regards
sevens
[ 07-19-2006, 08:02 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi cleasterwood
We can only pray and hope that the positive pathway laid down in the texts and in the discovery will be a powerful positive force that will bring peace into this world. It just amazes me that we look upon ancient ruins for the answer which all goes back to the beginning, back to the Father of all.
I hope that this revelation will overcome the negative aspects of religion and its interpretation. I feel through revelation lays the answer. People will see it and look in contrast and make the right decision and make changes. I hope!
Oh well see what happens. But its a mystery and a half and bigger than any mystery of truth and all paralleled to Jesus and the message which was all designed for no in this timeline. Even his whole life was about now.Its a great message and a great path to research and discover for anyone.
all the best
sevens
Hi ideapraxist
The more I look at the flash presentation I think its definitely the location with a small piece of the map broken off. Even in light of that It looks like the tablet or map of Atlantis, of the location of Cyprus. It has all the characteristics. particularly the isthmus and the river running through the middle of it . Its an island in an inland sea.
I hope this brings more light to the interpretation.
Also look at the East - West longitudinal lines seems to fit Cyprus
Consider the, story of the Faces tablet, the story, 2 stories in one picture representing the fall as in the Bible, all the characters are there. A relationship that went sour. Like in the Eden story and then you have the map of the Cyprus location on top of the tablet with writings of some sort around the edges.
Very interesting to say the least.
With the first tablet it could be a mother Goddess representation Eve and Cain?? .....speculation.
all the best
regards
sevens
[ 07-19-2006, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
I found this
- Luke21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter there into.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory
28 Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away,till all be fulfilled. 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Sounds like we are in the timeline.
sevens
[ 07-20-2006, 03:13 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
I was thinking maybe they were Andites that arrived in Peru around the 12000 year mark when the sea levels where lower and there was an island land bridge East to West From Japan all the way to Peru across the Pacific.
The arrivals were regarded as Gods and the religion of the Gods was perpetuated in the myths and legends and does find harmonisation in the stars and the knowledge of them particularly Orion's belt. Thus you had a transference of knowledge and religion from Mesopotamia to Peru and the rest of the area through there legends throughout all the races in Sth America.
Easter Island was a central point. Australia was also visited and the visitors did leave there mark in Central Queensland. Maybe some of them hitched a ride and brought some of there ideas. The Andites certainly left their mark through out the world in there travels especially in Peru in the Inca race where they intermingled with them. 132 of them.
The stars of Orion's belt and what the constellation represents is the connecting parallel. In my view the Orion's belt represents the isle of God which can be entered into through an isthmus and 2 sets of gates, the 12 gates. Orion's belt rises and falls in the timeline and goes through an equinox every 26,000 years. One timeline and a half ago on the descending equinox Atlantis was built and now were are entering an ascending equinox when its is rediscovered.
It seems like a connection of Egyptian and Inca knowledge, the same knowledge , its origins are the Sethite truth of the stars which all point to land of the Gods with purpose.
Its interesting that Aztecs reliefs seem to suggest an ancient map similar to Orion's star map similar to Atlantis and all the connections of the deluge with tectonic and volcanic action in their myths.
Here is one myth relief
Myth relief
Here is an outline of an Aztec relief with my spin on it. Its what I read in it. Note: the seven stars that surround the hill, Orions belt has seven stars and combine with other constellations makes an interesting and familiar Map outline.
link
Then you have the Egyptian Orion's belt and its similar outline and shape of the isle of Maat or the Gods.
Egyptians Orions belt outline star map
I thought if you combined all the commonalities off their religions and myths and the starmap clues to what discovered represents an interesting harmonisation.
Didn't the Inca themselves speak of change in around 2012, in there own words. Doesn't major religions today talk about change, Its seems like the message of the Gods point to the one place and the myths of that place has spread throughout the world only to be part of the puzzle that is coming together, in this timeline. In the ascending equinox, seems like a good time for a mystery to unravel.
regards
sevens
[ 07-21-2006, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi I just found this information from here.
I thought it was a fascinating study. However if you look at it from the prospective of the sunken location and the canals that come from the top of the Acropolis Hill and where the The Cyprus location is. Its a bullseye! This interpretation is pointing directly to the location.
http://home.valornet.com/eldavis/The_Garden.html
Look at the following from the location prospective.
Here is an extract of the study.
ktu relate to Ugarit scripts
- In Judean tradition, the mountain that Yahweh had his throne was Zion. Thus in Psalm 2:6-8, Yahweh calls Zion "my holy hill," in Psalm 24:1-8 "Yahweh the warrior" enters through the "ancient gates" of his "holy place" in the "mountain of Yahweh", and in Psalm 46:4, the "city of God" is called "the holy place where the Most High dwells." Zion appears to be the mountain described in 1 Enoch 26, from which a deep valley descends -- the "accursed valley" where the souls of the wicked are tormented (i.e. Gehenna) according to 1 Enoch 27. According to Isaiah 14:12-15, Sheol lies at the base of the cosmic mountain, and it is only natural for the deep valley below it to be associated with the underworld. Note also that a valley adjoining the Hinnom valley is called the Valley of the Rephaim in Joshua 15:8, 18:16; 2 Samuel 5:18, 23:13; 1 Chronicles 11:15, 20:4 and the Rephaim were the ghosts of the dead residing in Sheol (cf. Job 26:5-6; Isaiah 14:4-5, 9-11, 26:14). The earthly valleys associated with the underworld also evoke the "valleys of Sheol" where the Rephaim are found according to Proverbs 9:18. It was in fact in the valley of Hinnom below Zion where the ancestor cult of Molech was practiced (2 Kings 23:10; Isaiah 30:33, 57:9; Jeremiah 7:31-33, 19:4-6, 32:35). There is an exact parallel in the Canaanite culture of Syria and northern Israel, which designated Mt. Hermon as the "mountain of El" and the Bashan area below it as the realm of the dead, where Rapiu (aka Molek, or Milku) was enthroned as king in the cities of Ashtaroth/Athtart and Edrei (cf. KTU 1.108 R 1-3, 11-13, V 22-29; compare Genesis 14:5, Deuteronomy 1:4, 3:10, and Joshua 9:10, 12:4, 13:12, 31 which amazingly also locate the Rephaim in the cities of Ashtaroth and Edrei in Bashan). In fact, Psalm 42 is directly dependent on this northern view of El's abode being located in Mt. Hermon (also called Mt. Misar):
- I am on my way to the wonderful Tent, to the House of God , among cries of joy and praise and an exultant throng. Why so downcast, my soul, why do you sigh within me? Put your hope in God, I shall praise him yet, my savior, my God. When my soul is downcast within me, I think of you; from the land of Jordan and in Hermon, in Mount Misar deep is calling to deep as your cataracts roar." (Psalm 42:4-7)
The reference to "deep calling to deep" is based in the Canaanite notion that the cosmic mountain where El makes his abode joins the heavenly "Deep" (cf. Genesis 1:6) with the subterranean "deep" contained within the mountain (cf. Job 28:9-11, 38:16-17). In the Ugaritic Baal Epic, we read of the god Kothar heading "toward El at the springs of the Double-Rivers, amidst the channels of the Double-Deeps. He comes to the mountain of El and enters the tent of the King, the Father of Years" (KTU 1.2 III 4-5). Similarly, in another myth El's mountain palace is said to lie "at the springs of the Two Rivers, at the meeting place of the Double-Deeps (mbk nhrm b'dt thmtm, KTU 1.100 R 1-4). In the OT, we also read how Yahweh "builds his palace on the waters above" and "sits enthroned on the Flood" (Psalm 29:10; 104:2-3), and Ezekiel 28:2 has the Phoenician king declare: "I am El ('l), in the dwelling of the gods ('lhym); I dwell in the midst of the seas (ymym)."
- The motif of Yahweh's mountain Zion standing at the source of primeval subterranean waters appears in Psalm 36:8-9, Isaiah 33:20-22, Ezekiel 47:1-22; Joel 4:18, Zechariah 14:8, 1 Enoch 26:1-2, and is alluded to in Matthew 7:24-25, 16:18, and John 7:38. In later Jewish tradition, the foundation for the Temple was believed to have kept the subterranean floods at bay; it was said to be the stone on which the world is based (Yoma 54b), and David was said to have removed the stone in his search for the great Abyss (Yer Sanh. x. 29a; Suk. 53a). Likening the Qumran community to the Temple, the Thanksgiving Hymns utilize the ancient cosmological concept to connote their struggle against the forces of Satan:
(Exactly in the process, the significants of this find of Cyprus 1stEden where it all began...my thoughts.)
"As the Abysses boil above the foundations of the waters, their towering waves and billows shall rage with the voice of their roaring; and as they rage, Sheol and Abaddon shall open and all the flying arrows of the Pit shall send out their voice to the Abyss. And the gates of Sheol shall open on all the works of vanity and the doors of the Pit shall close on the conceivers of wickedness..... The torrents of Belial shall break into Abaddon, and the deeps of the Abyss shall groan amid the roar of the heaving mud.... The heavenly hosts shall cry out and the world's foundations shall swagger and sway....The deeps resound to my groaning and my soul has journeyed to the gates of death. (1QH 11:16-19, 32-35)
- The waters on El's mountain however are not dammed up but flow and water creation. In the Gilgamesh Epic (11.194-96), the abode of the gods lies "at the mouth of the rivers" (ina pi narati ), and an Akkadian seal from Mari similarly depicts "a god of the type of El enthroned, between the springs of two streams, on a mountain. He is flanked by two vegetarian goddesses who grow out from the waters" (O. Keel, "Ancient Seals and the Bible," JAOS 1986:309). This recalls the description of the four rivers of the Garden of Eden in Genesis 2, which according to Ezekiel 28:13-14 was located in "the holy mountain of God" (hr qds 'lhym). Thus Genesis 2:6 noted that at Eden "streams (or a "flood") came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground", and the four rivers described in v. 10-44 include the Gihon, which was the name of the subterranean spring and river at Jerusalem (cf. 2 Chronicles 32:30). The mention of the Tigris and Euphrates however shows a dependence on Akkadian traditions as well. In parallel to Ezekiel, the Genesis description also mentions onyx and gold (Genesis 2:11-12), though not in the Garden per se, as well as cherubs (3:24).
( We know that Eden is compromised of clay on igneous foundations hence Mt Olympus on Cyprus closeby and springs have been located on the to of the Acropolis Hill.)
Thus far we have seen that Eden was located on the "mountain of God" in OT tradition, identified with Mount Zion in Judean Yahwism, under which flowed the waters of the abyss -- the "waters of life" which watered creation.(That was a clear description of Eden of Cyprus) Sheol was also located below the cosmic mountain, and a cult of the dead typically occurred in the valleys running down from this mountain. The Temple on Mt. Zion would thus be equivalent with the Garden itself, as Lawrence E. Stager's article "Jerusalem as Eden" (BAR, May/June 2000) points out
This interpretation seems to all point to Mt Zion Gods name for the location. Understand the Acropolis Hill has 2 springs on top and there are 2 canals that run from the top to below to the greater city. This is the location as described of Mt Zion, Atlantis, Maati, Eden original Atzlan, take your pic.
I just did a search on the seal of Mari and this what I found.
Note the concentric circles that represent the 2 springs on the mount and the city below. I also note that the flank of the mountain are circled and follows the shape of the 2 springs. This is a direct match to new research found in the members section of Discovery of Atlantis.
This is a major find. The seal of Mari is the plan view of the Acropolis Hill and the city below and matchs the evidence found in the 2003 expedition.
Atlantis members
http://www.syriamuseum.com/_media/mari_cultic_stela.jpg?cache=cache&w=191&h=350
Bigger Version of the Mari Stone
and turn the stone on its side and it looks like the location of Cyprus, the submerged landmass and the Acropolis Hill in the right direction.
Mari Stone on its side and its depiction of the location of Cyprus.
In the Normal position the Mari stone depicts the Acropolis Hill and the City below with water North and South.
Turn it 90 degrees counterclockwise and you have the completion of the map with the 12 gates protecting the garden land and the arrow in the direction through the 12 gates to the location, through the isthmus with the great river running through the middle of it towards the Euhprates
Its a 3 dimensional picture of the location.
Oh and note that there are 7 concentric circles that surround the springs of the water of life!! The Seven ,Master spirits of life and expression, again the sevens. Aboriginals in Australia use the same symbols signifying the water of life.
Also as Im looking at it further, what I think is the city south of the hill or could it be representation of the 12 gates of Eden that protected the Garden city. Are we seeing an ancient map of 1stEden? Is this the true interpretation of this Seal of Mari??
And what do you think of the upside down triangle, does that represent change or simply direction out of the land to the east? The seal could look like an owl, but maybe underlying this view without knowing it, is really all about the submerged location: a map to the home of the Gods. Could be?
I also noticed to the North it has mountains and to the south you have the location and the city and you again you have water. Does that infers an island with water about? or maybe the triangle is the isthmus with the 12 gates for entry on the island? Like a Seal with a complete description of the landmass and important submerged locations.
The Home of the Double Deep! This could be an ancient map with a description of the location
The following describes the double deep and the fall of Man context with the location and confirms the story known about it.
- "The mother of the stallion, Mare, daughter of spring, daughter of heaven and the deep, called to Shapsh her mother, 'Shapsh, my mother, carry my voice to El at the source of the rivers, at the meeting place of the Double-Deeps.
to relate to Ugarit scripts
The location of 1st Eden, the submerged location of Cyprus.
A spell against the bite of a snake, against the venom of a snake that has sloughed. From it, let the conjurer destroy, from it let him cast out the poison'..... Towards Horon she turned her face, for she was about to be deprived of her offspring.
A description of the Fall of Eve and does have strong parallels to The Urantia Book account.
He went to the eastern city. Then he set his face towards the Tigris abounding in rain, and the well-watered city of Tigris ('rsch < Hurrian Arassich "Tigris").
After the fall, Adam and Eve was expelled to the East of first Eden towards the 2nd homeland between the Tigris and Euphrates and established themselves there.
He uprooted from among the trees the tamarisk, and from among the shrubs the Tree of Death. With the tamarisk he shook it out; with the fruit-cluster he drove it away; with the foilage he dismissed it; with the roots he carried it off.
He worked the 2nd Garden and cultivated the area, because he lost his immortality he had to virtually work with shrubs of death. He was reduced to a mortal man/God
Horon went to his house and came to his court. The poison became weak like a stream-bed, it flowed away like a stream. Behind her the house of incantation, behind her the house she shut, behind her the bronze she shot.
Adam and Eve suffered mortality and noticed the difference. They desired to go back to the first garden
Horon: 'Open the house, spell, open the house that I may enter, the palace that I may come in.'
Pleaded to be let in but was denied.
Mare: 'Give me the snake as my gift, give me the reptile as my dowry, and the young serpent as my present.' Horon: 'I shall give the snake as your present, the young serpent as your present' (KTU 1.100 R 1-6, V 60-75)
Even though they were denied if they bring the head of the snake they will be allowed in. Tis exactly what is occuring right now in the timeline.
Which brings me to this link
The Jesus Prophecy
All the best
sevens
[ 07-22-2006, 01:48 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Here is a further pictorial on the Mari Seal.
I ffel in the right way is a map that leads to the location.
If you sit back some 10 ft and use the lazy eye, like watching a 3 dimensional pictures and concerntrate on the bottom of the triangle you can see a 3 dimensional picture of the 12 gates of Eden with the great river running through the middle of it. A direct match to the Urantia Account and all the 12 markers in the bible and other scripts.
The 12 gates of Eden are protecting the mountain of God with The 2 springs are on top of the mountain running down to the city. This is where Adam and Eve manifested and lasted for 1000 years before being expelled to the east beyond the gates.
His myth and legend has perpetuated through many religions such like this ancient one.
IIn this picorial I believe the Mari Seal has been broken and is relevant to the Cyprus case as the submerged land of the Gods.
Pictorial on the Mari Seal of the Akaddians
regards
sevens
Hi Greg
Thanks for your post I found it interesting and very intriguing. I found the ring you was talking about in Bimini quite interesting. I wish you al the best with the Cuban Government in a permit to explore. It sounds like a personal presentation would have to be done to get the permission. I remember 5 years ago I found images of block anomalies submerged of Cuba somewhere that resembles a lay out of stone buildings in sand. I'm sure something lays there and I wish you all success the obtain the right permits for the exploration.
Thanks also for the Cygnus information. I look forward to reading the book. That sounds very interesting and if can be confirmed scientifically that should be interesting.
In relation to my last post, I'm just fascinated in the parallels in the star information and in the Inca culture and the links to Mesopotamia .
Here is a link to a picture I copied from Google of the island land bridge that where close to each enough for medium sized boats to island hop from the Japan, Western Pacific to Peru.
Japan to Polynesia Link
Polynesia to Peru Link[/
Ancient bowl found in the Lake Tittitacha area containing Sumerian texts, called the Fuentemagna Bowl.
The fuentemagna_bowl
The information I look into are books like The Urantia Book and the scripts to see if I can find physical clues that match the information. Anyway in the UB it does mention a transfer of knowledge and admixation of they call The Andites that did originate from Mesopotamia/Sumerian and where the forerunners of the Egyptians way back in history before the flood. Back some some thousand of years ago when the sea levels where lower there was an island land bridge connecting Japan to Peru that seems to stand out in Google.
It looks quite interesting and considering a lower sea level would make islands and greater landmasses stand out that could form the island land bridge from Mesopotamia to Peru. Also the discovering the Sumerian bowl in Bolivia was an outstanding find and I feel gave weight to the idea. Considering what we know about the Sumerians is only the tail end of an very ancient civilisation that I feel goes back much further than what we know.
Here is a link to these Sumerian discoveries Bolivia.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/esp_boliviarosseta_4.htm#Chapter%201
If that is the case admixation would of occurred and having been revered as Gods having fair skin and beards became part of the Inca Myths. Even there cosmology that was presented in a documentary seemed to have many parallels to Mesopotamian
star knowledge.
With that admixation of knowledge and culture throughout the thousands of years it would of emanated in various legends and tribal religions in the surrounding areas as depictions and parallels of ancient stories from afar, stories of the Gods and thier demise.
Here is decipherment of the bowl http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/Awen3a.htm
- "The righteous shrine, anoint (this) shrine, anoint (this) shrine; The leader takes an oath [to] Establish purity, a favorable oracle (and to) Establish character. [Oh leader of the cult] Open up a unique light [for all], [who] wish for a noble life".
Also here is link The Back and side inscriptions on the Pokotia Monolith
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/bpokotia.htm
Here is the message of the last panel
quite interesting
- "(Putaki) speaks (in) true measure, to send forth gladness (for all). Send forth nourish(ment). (The oracle Putaki is) the father of wisdom (and) benefit (for all). (The oracle) to become a visible witness of the diving decree and knowledge. (This) pure oracle speaks the divine decree (and) makes (it) a visible witness (of the deity's power)."
Gee, we are witnessing this oracle and a divine decree today in its message today. This oracle is a witness of today's decree through these discoveries of now! surely we are, especially in light of today's conversation. How relevant is that?? for today. Are we about to witness and we revisit and discover its meaning further. Are we coming close to something? Its a whole path discovery. Just Blown away! Is the message through the oracle a self fulfilling prophecy? and its a witness of today's proclamation!!!!
I hope that was interesting. It was like a little revelation for me in terms of the topics I what venture into.
Thanks again for your post it was interesting. I hope you come up with more evidence in the future.
regards
sevens
[ 07-24-2006, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
reading it further I found this
from
http://www.altarcheologie.nl/connections/characters_01_files/Pokotia%20Inscriptions.htm
- Bernardo's discovery of the Pokotia monument supports the research of the Verrills that the Sumerians came to South America in search of metals. A.H Verrill and R. Verrill, Americas ancient civilizations (New York: Putnam, 1953), and J. Bailey Sailing to Paradise, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1994) maintain that the area around Lake Titicaca may have been called Lake Manu, by the Sumerians. According to the Verrills and Bailey the Sumerians came to this area in search of tin. They support this view by a discussion of the Sumerian traditions, that Sumerians set sail to the land west of the Mediterranean that they called the "Tin land of the West" or "Sunset Land". It is interesting to note that a major center in this area is Potosi. Bailey suggest that Potosi may relate to the Sumerian term Patesi the Sumerian term for 'priest king'
quote:
a discussion of the Sumerian traditions, that Sumerians set sail to the land west of the Mediterranean that they called the "Tin land of the West" or "Sunset Land".
I thought that was interesting, I think within the Eastern Med, the land beyond the gates, the land beyond the sea to the West, the submerged location. The tin land of the west in relation to Sumerian or is the "Isle of the Gods" in the west where the tree of life was? where tin is represented as their home that went down in a flood as seen in that Aztec relief. Looks like a picture coming together or a parallel.
The mention of the Med, even from Bolivia and considering the Aztec relief in my last post with my spin on it, the map of the Eastern Mediterranean and the isle of the Gods and there message even from Bolivia and its relevance of it, today??
The Land in the West is described in the Book of Noah
- here is a description of the Mediterranean deluge
67.4 And they will shut up those Angels, who showed iniquity, in that burning valley, (Eden Valley) which my great-grandfather Enoch had shown to me previously, in the west, (assuming Noah is in Mesopotamia to the east of the 1st Eden location) near the mountains of gold and silver and iron and soft metal and tin.
67.5 And I saw that valley, (The valley of Eden) in which there was a great disturbance, and a heaving of the waters. (tsunami effect) (The Urantia Book rendition of the deluge) Here for another description of the Mediterranean deluge.
67.6 And when all this happened, from the fiery molten metal, (Volcanic) and the disturbance, (earthquake) which disturbed the waters in that place, a smell of sulphur (volcanic) was produced, and it was associated with those waters. (Water from the Atlantic, from the west) And that valley (valley of Eden) of the Angels (1st Eden), who led men astray, burns under the ground. (submerged)
67.7 And through the valleys of that same area, flow out rivers of fire where those Angels will be punished, who led astray those on the dry ground. (The Valley was once on dry ground inferring that the area that is now submerged) Images of 1st Eden
This is all seen in reference from the 2nd garden between The Euphrates and The Tigris.
It all seems to fit in the Mari Seal, a map of the "Tin land of the West" or "Sunset Land" the city and its acropolis hill with springs atop and its 12 gates on the isthmus, protecting the land of favour, that went down in the flood, a deluge which was recorded and transferred, even to Bolivia, by the priests. just incredible!
For me a big find was the Akkadian Seal of Mari with the 12 gates and the 2 springs on the hill, the location.
The Mari Seal
It compelling, to say the least, the whole mystery in complete.
regards
sevens
[ 07-24-2006, 08:42 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
[ 07-24-2006, The actual discovery of the Andite/Sumerian link to the Inca.
Hi Ideopraxist.
Thanks for that it was a pleasure doing it. There is more that could be dont with it but its the time factor.
Since I last spoke to you I found a huge discovery of the the Mari Seal. Here is a little something I did
The Mari Seal and its connection
then last night I was responding to a post on the Bimini thread which became a research paper at the end. As I was drawing on past research going through the links I started to see more in it where I discovered the further Pokati decipherment of Sumerian writings found around Lake Tititacha. Confirms all the UB information but the message of the stones was quite remarkable and relevant for today.
Here is an extract the Sumerian writing found in Bolivia from the imini post with links.
- Here is decipherment of the bowl
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/Awen3a.htm
"The righteous shrine, anoint (this) shrine, anoint (this) shrine; The leader takes an oath [to] Establish purity, a favorable oracle (and to) Establish character. [Oh leader of the cult] Open up a unique light [for all], [who] wish for a noble life".
Also here is link The Back and side inscriptions on the Pokotia Monolith
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/bpokotia.htm
Here is the message of the last panel
quite interesting
"(Putaki) speaks (in) true measure, to send forth gladness (for all). Send forth nourish(ment). (The oracle Putaki is) the father of wisdom (and) benefit (for all). (The oracle) to become a visible witness of the diving decree and knowledge. (This) pure oracle speaks the divine decree (and) makes (it) a visible witness (of the deity's power)."
So in essence we have 2 stones and a bowl, One with information and the bowl with identical information and the Seal of Mari is relic of a map of the location and its key features.
These stones are like seals of imagery of the mountains of the gods and symbols that can be recognised and now we have there prophecies coming to pass with its discovery and meaning overall.
Here is a collection of them.
The Mari Seal and what I think.
Babylonian Tablet with the 3 concentric circle seals
Babylonian concentric seals
In the following is a deciphering of sumerian text from Bolivia.
The Pokotia Statute and its Seal and connected information and parallel.
Inn the following is another artifact with a side view of an headress of a priest or king with a beard and different features of the people in the area.
Here is another link people in the area
The you have a piece of artwork I did late year
Link
The the ica stone found I think in Bolivia
Ica Stone.
Compelling Ideopraxist. to say the least. Check out the deciphering on the statutes and bowl. Unbelievable.
No to mention the bowl and its parallel message
The Inca Bowl and its message.
- Here is what they link it to, the Akkadian period and note the the Mari seal connection.
We are dealing with an object which was made in keeping with Mesopotamian tradition.
It contains two texts, one in cuneiform and another Semitic language of possible Sinaitic extraction cuneiform influences.
According to the symbols used one would be before an object that evidently shows itself to be from the transitional period between ideographical writing and cuneiform.
Chronologically, this leads us to the 3500/3000 B.C., the Sumerian/Akkadian period.
Then you have the Mari Connection. massive.
Note in the Fuentemagna Bowl you have the rectangular images sides by side each other encircling to the middle, similar to the Mari Seal of the 2 springs with 7 concentric circles surrounding each spring.
I think that is an interesting link to 2 seals connected perhaps to a common culture. on the opposite end of the world. There message that survives is relevant for today.
Anyway its been very interesting
regards
sevens
[ 07-24-2006, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
The Mari
I thought this was interesting
follow the links http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/esp_boliviarosseta_3.htm#Introduction
- Bernardo's discovery of the Pokotia monument supports the research of the Verrills that the Sumerians came to South America in search of metals. A.H Verrill and R. Verrill, Americas ancient civilizations (New York: Putnam, 1953), and J. Bailey Sailing to Paradise, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1994) maintain that the area around Lake Titicaca may have been called Lake Manu, by the Sumerians. According to the Verrills and Bailey the Sumerians came to this area in search of tin. They support this view by a discussion of the Sumerian traditions, that Sumerians set sail to the land west of the Mediterranean that they called the "Tin land of the West" or "Sunset Land". It is interesting to note that a major center in this area is Potosi. Bailey suggest that Potosi may relate to the Sumerian term Patesi the Sumerian term for 'priest king'
Note Lake Manu similar to the word Mari, Lake Manu the sea where the isle of the Gods was. Like "Mari" is the Name of the isle of the Gods and "Mari in the sea of Manu". and its great God at that time must have links to Shamesh and then must have links to Ugarit writing which is all about the location, of Cyprus. Thing is no one planted the evidence there as it is set in stone and links to the bowl.
Now Mari in the Sea of Manu went down in a deluge which is described in the following Book of Noah from the Book of Enoch and the connection or parallel is the land of Tin where in the Book of Noah its the mountain of Tin. Its the location
In the following is the Book of Noah within the Book of Enoch. Its is a rendition of the Deluge that destroyed Eden and its connection to Bolivia through the mountain of Tin connect pathway. In drawing this from previous research as the picture is beginning to form.
- here is a description of the Mediterranean deluge
67.4 And they will shut up those Angels, who showed iniquity, in that burning valley, (Eden Valley) which my great-grandfather Enoch had shown to me previously, in the west , (assuming Noah is in Mesopotamia to the east of the 1st Eden location) near the mountains of gold and silver and iron and soft metal and tin.
67.5 And I saw that valley, (The valley of Eden) in which there was a great disturbance, and a heaving of the waters. (tsunami effect) (The urantia Book rendition of the deluge) Here for another description of the Mediterranean deluge.
67.6 And when all this happened, from the fiery molten metal, (Volcanic) and the disturbance, (earthquake) which disturbed the waters in that place, a smell of sulphur (volcanic) was produced, and it was associated with those waters. (Water from the Atlantic, from the west) And that valley (valley of Eden) of the Angels (1st Eden), who led men astray, burns under the ground. (submerged)
67.7 And through the valleys of that same area, flow out rivers of fire where those Angels will be punished, who led astray those on the dry ground. (The Valley was once on dry ground inferring that the area that is now submerged) Images of 1st Eden
Also notice its connection to judgement, thats what alerted me very early in this work and now note the Pokotia message in full and its parallel. I believe its all about now!!
and note the Akkadian references to the mountain and its related prophecies.
But you know what, it all reflects back to the Bible and the many things that influenced the Bible and other books related but not included . It really all comes back to that information which has been adopted and shared and reconstituted but in essence there is a consistency in all the information and you can see its origins and message. Not unlike the message today, in essence.
The Mari Seal and its connection with Urgarit script and the location
This is linked a 5500 year old mystery story, a boomerang coming back fulfilling itself revealing and showing connection over 5500 years. Unbelievable. I feel its connected and parallel over a number sources.
Akkadian/Mari/Manu message is short, but how decisive.
Following it further if I go to the Jesus prophecy extract out of the Book of Adam and Eve
- The Promise of Jesus of Nazareth
3:1-2 God said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and you and your descendants shall live and walk in them, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created you, and against which you have transgressed, the Word that made you come out of the garden, and that raised you when you were fallen. 2 Yes, the Word that will again save you when the five and a half days are fulfilled."
And if we look at five and a half days are fulfilled." and 1 day is a 1000 years in the time of the lord that would equal 5500 years which is now, from the Akkadian time, the time of the seal of Mari. A look at what is said about this time and what is happening in reality as we reflect and what the meaning we discover today, through these connections and how it comes back to the bible.
Look at what Jesus says about the fulfilment of this mystery and we are being drawn back to the garden, again Cyprus and has connections to Bolivia with Akkadian/Mesopotamian prophecy fulfilling itself.
However looking further we see that Mari in Syria where this tablet comes from was inhabited from the Ancient History
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari,_Syria
Tablet of King Zimri-Lim of Mari, ca. 1780 BC, Louvre MuseumMari had been inhabited since the 5th millennium BCE, but the real significance of the city was during the third and second millennia BCE. The inhabitants of Mari were a Semitic people, thought to be part of the same Eblaite and Akkadian migration.
more on Mari
http://www.syriagate.com/Syria/about/cities/Deir_Ezzor/mari.htm
Following the path of Manu .
Here is what I found in the Wikipedia on the word Manu.
Look up the word Manu in the Wikipedia
- In Hindu mythology, Manu is a title accorded the progenitor of humankind, first king to rule this earth, who saves mankind from the universal flood. He is honest which is why he is called "Satyavrata", or faster on to the truth.
Extract
"The ten sons of Manu are known as Vena, Dhrishnu, Narishyan, Nabhaga, Ikshvaku, Karusha, Saryati, the eighth, a daughter named Ila, Prishadhru the ninth, and Nabhagarishta, the tenth. They all betook themselves to the practices of Kshatriyas. Besides these, Manu had fifty other sons on Earth. But we heard that they all perished, quarrelling with one another."
Extract
The Matsya avatar of Vishnu is said to have appeared to King Manu (whose original name was Satyavrata, the then King of Dravida), while he washed his hands in a river.
The little fish asked the king to save it, and kept growing bigger and bigger. It also informed the King of a huge flood which would occur soon. The King builds a huge boat, which houses the fish and his family and other seeds of animals to repopulate the earth.
This story is very similar to other deluge stories in ancient Sumerian mythology which preceded the story of Noah's ark.
You have to copy and paste the link
Manu in the Wikipedia and its Hindu/Dravidian connection in Akkadian
code:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_%28Hinduism%29
All very interesting.
Inca foundation legend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_mythology
Manu river in Peru, interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_River
The Area of Manu Peru
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madre_de_Dios_region
Polynesian Legend
- Global flood wkipedia
- Polynesian
Several different flood stories are recorded among the Polynesians. None of them approach the scale of the Biblical flood.
The people of Ra'iatea tell of two friends, Te-aho-aroa and Ro'o, who went fishing and accidentally awoke the ocean god Ruahatu with their fish hooks. Angered, he vowed to sink Ra'iatea below the sea. Te-aho-aroa and Ro'o begged for forgiveness, and Ruahatu warned them that they could escape only by bringing their familes to the islet of Toamarama. These set sail, and during the night, the island slipped under the ocean, only to rise again the next morning. Nothing survived except for these families, who erected sacred marae (temples) dedicated to the god Ruahatu.
Evidence of sea levels rising in the Pacific in the ancient past through the legends of the Polynesians.
same thing Hawaii, evidence of rising sea levels
In Hawaii, a human couple, Nu'u and Lili-noe, survived a flood on top of Mauna Kea on the Big Island. Nu'u made sacrifices to the moon, to whom he mistakenly attributed his safety. Kāne, the creator god, descended to earth on a rainbow, explained Nu'u's mistake, and accepted his sacrifice.[4]
All have similar stories.
regards
sevens
[ 07-24-2006, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Personally, I'm finding allot of connections that have consistency in the general message and the events that are foretold. I'm finding messages from across the other side of the world that lead back to the location, in discovery and interpretations of the message attached of artifacts. Nothing against anyone in belief put I truly feel there is a standard required to what is to come and is consistent with the information that I'm finding.
Just don't disregard the essence of the message. That's all, its a personal choice thing. But blow it away completely in reaction. That's all I'm saying, it could be mistake.
I know Elmer might be a bit punchy and I know my message is not a nice one for many. But I do find consistency in the message in all the scripts and additional information and links that I've left everywhere which does verify a strong unity in what is to come and it does have consequences. The worst thing to do is disbelief and no faith and rejection.
Personally, about witches and all that, I wont get into that, just connect with God in your own way, research the research, the message, have faith, see God as a friend from within you not as something out there, I'm sure he has been leading without you knowing. Cleanse yourself with a sincere prayer of any wrong doing towards others. You know those things. If you feel compelled to go to a church. do so.
There is a good message for ones with faith, and to be connected with the message is not hard, there is no obstacles, just reflection and sincere personal action in the way of response.
You know some 2 weeks ago, I think, I proclaimed a forty day test and then it will happen, well I could be jumping the gun on that one. But you know, if the conditions are right and the right connections are being made through the cracking of the mysteries through the right path. It could happen, just like that. A person could just have the right keys in knowledge and faith that could unlock the door, unlock the mystery. Like in the movies, a mystery movie. But it could happen in real life.
Like Jesus went through a 40 day test in the Wilderness and the Israelites through the 40 day test before they entered the promised land. So with mankind, perhaps a 40 day test. Anyway I thought it had consistency and I had a strong feeling about it.
Note the time markers as expressed in the bible. Like the 2 tower time markers found in 2 sections Isaiah that combined, all point to the man of terror in Afghanistan. Then the sevenfold reflection straight after associated with the breach. The discovery of Cyprus and then all the discovery in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Ezra about the test, 40 day period where a Testamony will be written and a test associated and a coming. Its everywhere.
What about Cyprus and all the evidence in script that points to it, I find it overwhelming and harmonised. Being a witness is a real testimony in itself all beforehand realizing after the action written in scripture. That's my Testamony.
I'm so happy that I found the UB and how it complimented my research in all the scripts and made me really love the old testament and all the mysteries in it and the new testament. For me, today. I cant wait to research the books. That's how compelling it is. Not to mention all the other discoveries.
The best thing what I say will be tested. If nothing happens at all, I was wrong and no doubt cope criticism, natural for man. If I'm right well then, I'm right and before we realize that we will be in a different reality, no time to say good bye.
It will be something like that. When that happens there will be a great realisation, then the disappointment that will burn in there souls and that will be like a hell in itself in amidst earth changes.
I believe that is the case. I gave a time limit in accordance to the scriptures and or a discovery on the hill. That is the test for me and what I say.
see what happens. Just don't throw it away completely.
With Elmer you have to understand his background and the his teachings in his environment, history and variant of the body of Christ. I think he may be Mormon, I'm not sure. Where as myself I have had experience of most Christian churches and a couple of Bible colleges but i work alone and not influenced by anything except what I read and know.
But note even from different and perhaps opposite ends but we do still harmonized on the general end time message. I find that interesting.
However if there is anything I uncover that is for the benefit of the greater body. No worries go for it!! take , eat it, use it. If there is truth in it.
Anyway, nothing against anyone.
regards
sevens
[ 07-25-2006, 06:39 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Also I believe there is a space connection unity going on here. As a witness in this journey of discovery. There is much unity going on and I believe its from the Trinity of Paradise. I know that sounds a little weird. But there is space time phenomena involved in all these discoveries. I believe of a high level and is connected with lets the Kingdom of Heaven.
Its a pretty serious thing gong on here. I'm so sure of it. There is witness to it. Elmer says he feels something in the air. What is that he is feeling?
What is that feeling the effect of? A mutual witness in the scriptures and in discovery? There owns investigations? You know if a major body sees this and is sincere that's all its takes for the message to grow like soothing rain on a hot day.
If the evidence is coming up well and it seems to be following a path of truth and if it has witness or more than two, then there will be others. What the message . Glad tidings towards others, the Jesus message.
I know there will others that will not like what is said. All I say is just consider half-heartedness belief, that's ok.
Just a little open, even research all the matter about it.
It could be a life boat, really could be at this time, in this timeline.
I don't God is going to do a major campaign on this as he always knows the outcome, How little, how big, when, how much time makes no difference.
Unfortunately, as prophesied there will be few at all that will proclaim this. A self defeating prophecy in Ezra and Dead Seas scrolls about this test. That's the great disappointment, either way there will be no good result for the majority. Either in scorn from the majority if nothing happens with disappointment or the majority in disappointment because they never listened and there is no turning back.
Even with Eden on all papers and TV even in a documentary and the pathways left behind in the research. The response is miserable from a sevenfold view.
People still do nothing about it. What's the point you might as well get it over and done with and move on.
No point waiting around, for what? man wont do nothing about this in proclamation or doing something, Oh unless there's bucks in it.
I somehow feel we are in probation time and when its done, its done and then III personally present my report on CD. Bloody miserable, man failed to click on. When he did, he did nothing. stalled in general. Its about a 10% percenter.
regards
sevens
[ 07-25-2006, 07:56 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Ishtar,
Thanks for the reply. I really enjoyed the post and the information. I learnt allot in the link. I don't understand witchcraft or Wicca and its history. I know my work is done alone but I do share it straight away, so it can studied and scrutinized to make sure I'm on the right track.
I sometimes have wondered many things with what I write and what I find. That's why I invite Elmer, yourself, Robert and others to check over things, make sure I'm not misleading. That is the very last I want to do. I don't isolate myself from the world casting spells that's for sure I just work in faith. Although I do get angry at terrorism but I use the scripts to see if I can identify it and where it will lead, which is no where. But in by doing this I find other relevant information.
Quite the opposite, I give my all to the world in regards to the research because I feel the Father wants me to do that, open up the heart case, laying it up on the throne, sipping the hot coal from the throne.
With this kind of information it has to be released to mankind and not held back for whatever reason. All I want to do is a good job for The Father in heaven and within us. Like a Father/Son relationship and the thrill of discovery and sharing the thrill of it. Venturing into the realms of truth and understanding where no man has gone. The exploration in the most wholesome sense. The inspiration of discovery and where it leads to. Like a faith son on the faith ship into unchartered waters to the garden of infinite joy.
Its this attitude that heaven loves and really gets inspired and begins to move and show themselves in support through the scripts and in physical action.
These are things that motivate me, along the path in faith. In the path of discovery I'm led across things and recognise a truth embedded, record it then release it.
Also I weigh heavily in scripture, I use the word and the words of the ancients to verify the things that I'm finding and reflect back to the realities that have occurred. The whole journey is like this. I call it the beforehand phenomena, Its recorded and I recognise it when I read it, looking back. That's a mystery, but when its recognised the thrill of discovery and the oneness in the experience is heavenly.
You know, I think heaven really gets inspired out of that. The universal family involved directly in the Saga know about it as it occurs and just warms up. The love connection in that is truly amazing. That's is one very important aspect in the relationship of man and God, a continual source of inspiration in finding truth, everyday.
I suppose the greatest inspiration is the whole picture that is forming through a discovery, the harmonisation of word and discovery in physical not to mention the message behind it. Looking from every aspect all the prophets outside/inside the bible had something to say about the place.
Personally, I think what we are seeing in Israel is the process that will lead to change. Somehow looking at all the circumstances and the discovery at this time and the short range prophecies fulfilling. It certainly looks intriguing, looking at all the players getting involved falling heavier into the scenario, walking blindly into it or tempting the scenario? You know? Even I have to watch myself and that's why I rely on you guys.
But I do have faith and trust in the Lord for his guidance. I am inspired with all the characters involved from my research. The Father, Jesus, Ancient of Days, the Most Highs, the Melchizedek and all the angels involved. I proclaimed this as an operation in faith years ago and gave it identity and I look back at the path of discovery and find it so unique and amazing.
Its an inspiration and I'm certainly not casting spells but leaving myself open for them. But the thing is, I have no fear of that because of what I know in my relationship the Father. God. Who else is there?
Looking at the path of discovery there is no fear, because in him, there is light as expressed by Jesus, a message that will lead to a good ending for those with faith, the size of a mustard seed, that's fine. They even said this in Bolivia 5500 years ago. Saying that a demonstration will occur, the power of deity confirming our conversation today, at this time.
- 1Adam and Eve.
- The Promise of Jesus of Nazareth
3:1-2 God said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and you and your descendants shall live and walk in them, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created you, and against which you have transgressed, the Word that made you come out of the garden, and that raised you when you were fallen. 2 Yes, the Word that will again save you when the five and a half days are fulfilled."
5 .5 days is that 5500 years like the message from Bolivia created around 5500 years ago and found 5500 years later relevant for today? However looking at it late in the verse in this statement "I have ordained on this earth days and years" God does relate to Days and years so 5500 years must be close to right.
I reckon 5.5 days of 5500 years are pretty well fulfilled today, there is a duality in the above verse,
- 1 One of Jesus being a man who died on the cross and the second component attached to the original Garden?
2 Jesus bringing us back to the Garden through his word.
exactly the case.
Thanks again Ishtar for your links, I always learn allot from them and you do encourage me.
regards
sevens
[ 07-25-2006, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
No worries Brig.
I'm just researching and posting and expressing myself. I've toned down my aggressiveness as best as I can, in general. I initially reacted to cat only being human, not a robot.
Also I know abs through email, he is a fellow researcher in the Urantia truth, that's ok. Nothing wrong with that, he expresses himself like we all do. He seems like a nice bloke. I invited him to check out the research when I started posting the research. He encouraged me to look into it further, like any good researcher would, to leave no stone unturned.
I proceeded spending countless ours, posting for the benefit and then you get provocations from cat.
Course I'm going to get all pissed off and react.
Anyway I wont pursue Cat. III behave myself with him, if he wants to play games and waste time no worries, III carry one and be polite to him.
Regarding his posts, I'm not going to search for his posts. How about a bit on the run stuff, today's discoveries not yesterdays from 3 years, if at all.
Its a different climate now new discoveries have been made, new discoveries in literature have been discovered now. Lets see how the hypothesis of 3 years fits today in light of this continual process.
regards
sevens
[ 07-25-2006, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Elmer,
Thanks for reviewing the information. I assume you have, hopefully. I started this years ago to see if I could find a pathway in the bible and The BC books that priests studied before Christ to the location of Cyprus for the Christian faith.
I believe there is a definite pathway to Eden in the Bible with a message. Feel free to use any scripture and interpretation that helps you formulate a positive construct for your group for study and research. No worries its for the body.
I feel we are in a testing period and should be prepared within ourselves and be aware of the signs and discoveries as they occur. Your one of the few Christians that I know that has shown support for my posts and I appreciate it.
I feel things and realities are just travelling along and forming and the time is coming somewhere, sometime. I think the best thing to do is really adhere to the scriptures even more concisely that will be the life raft for the planet. I'm sure of that.
The location is just sitting there and there is preparation for discovery and the Father is very much involved in the events, the climax of spiritual forces are building all around, as you can see. I have no idea if there is a postponment. I just have faith that the Lord will move his hand to lay a path so that the expedition goes to plan in quest for Atlantis and Eden. Even in amidst war, all abound and the light of truth in the sea peace will shine forth as the representatives of the universe descend upon this planet and deal with this terrible state of stress and bring peace and universal government, the Paradise Government to Earth with physical representatives.
That's my simple prayer.
all the best
sevens
[ 07-25-2006, 11:28 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
quote:
Notice Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, is Daniel and is head magician
17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers,
watchers is important,
23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven,
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Ishtar, I found the above piece real interesting, I note the decree from the watcher, like the power of deity decree from Bolivia. From the same people who made the Seal of Mari next to the location and the map of it.
The in the following the appearance and result of the decree. It seems to have the same parallels of the today, a decree, a discovery, a proclamation and a result of the same scenario as in Daniel.
How interesting is that and Daniel foresaw this.
What about this, Cyrus the shepherd of the Lord, a Persian helps in the rebuilding of the second temple, now look at the leader of the 2nd expedition of Cyprus , look at his linage and look at what he has opened up in, what I believe in reestablishment of Zion, the Lords original place, temple, the foundation, the original cornerstone. Also look at the name Cyrus like Cyprus.
The the confusing thing look at the politics.
Also if Akkadians where in charge of Mesopotamia and the king, who had a thirst for knowledge it would make sense that he send out ships in search for truth from Sumeria or inland to Japan and then across the Pacific.
They eventually discovered Bolivia/Peru and admixed with the Inca of whom the new arrivals left there religions and knowledge which they impressed upon the natives through race and culture. In addition they left a behind prophecy in faith that would one day synchronise with world events and give further assurance to the hypothesis of the end times. Its a voice from the past and it resonates today.
Anyway just some thoughts
regards
sevens
[ 07-26-2006, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: Atlantis
Yes I am amazed by the pictures, particulary the curved canal looking features at the base of the Acropolis Hill. It seems that the Acropolis Hill was shaped in the same way. Curved and circular. Looks very much manmade. I am amazed by the springs on top of the Hill running down through the canals, I found in a recent discovery that the Seal of Mari found in the Syrian museum. I feel a depction of the location. Note the 2 springs on top of the Hill, similar to the courtyard in Vatcian. 2 fountains, note the 7 concentric circles that surround the springs. If you look at the top of the hill of Cyprus you can see the two coplanar circular canals.
Also note the 12 gates below which allowed access to the location. Or could it be the city surrounding the Hill.
This seal Akkaddian and originates from the 3500BC mark, 5500 years ago and originates next to the location and is related to Ugarit scripts.
I think this is a incredible find.
regards
sevens
Hey Ideopraxist.
I reckon forget about looking for evidence for the Israelites in Egyptian records, I reckon if there was a full interpretation of the Tablets of Elba. I reckon you would find a fairly comprehensive record of the Abram times and all the characters involved.
Dates does vary so III go the UB dates of in around 1970-1900 BC for Abraham.
I sense that there is a huge record of there of the whole scenario of around that time.
I must say the Semites had large empire going on before Abraham
Yeah thank God for puters, for sure, makes life and research so much better.
Gee I don't why they are all in dispute today they are all more or less the same family and look at em, fighting cannot get there act together!
Its a useless affair religion and politics going no where fast.
Here is read of Melchezidek which includes Abraham and could be used with the Elba tablets and the Bible to pinpoint truth with greater accuracy.
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper93.html
- It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, "I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God."
I thought the date could be used to back engineer. I noticed many dates given do vary from one researcher to another. I figure the UB, an accurate book. I thought I would work on this date given in the above.
Could be a good study. I get the feeling that the dates given in our history are out to a degree. You knows maybe the date above might give us a more accurate timeline on our history with respect to the area and its politics.
regards
sevens
[ 07-26-2006, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Also, from what I heard the 2nd Expedition is still on track, They wont be able to do as as they want but its on track, not sure on the dates but hopefully next month sometime. Note this could change because of this disastrous and waste of time war in Israel. Over religion and power the usual rubbish.
I wish they stop fighting and get there act together particularly the ones who perpetuate this nonsense, whoever it is.
Anyway that's not going stop God in this adventure and neither the project. I just have faith in that and I will believe it and it will happen as ordained by the Kingdom of Heaven. Nothing will stop heaven at this time. Any attempt from an evil point of view will be thwarted instantly.
Remembering that this truth is in background of all this folly and it has teeth, Big Teeth. These leaders should take note particularly the religious controlled types in power. But they are to blind to see by there own religious lusts intermingled with power and doctrine gone crazy.
This is the test for them, I tell you what, what a failure at the end of the day, like going back in the dark ages and especially in light of all this beautiful truth realising itself through discovery and exploration. God/Man working together for peace and prosperity for all not the other rubbish.
A far better and peaceful fence to be sitting on. There will be no prizes or nothing for those who perpetuate terror. Absolutely nothing!!!! Total waste of human resources for such folly.
regards
sevens
[ 07-26-2006, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
The Bowl
Hi
Im looking at similarities of the Sumerian writing and symbols in Sumeria to see if I can find similarities as to the Sumerian evidence found in Bolivia.
Here is a link to tablet that has the same rectangular features as in the bowl.
Links originate from here
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart4.jpg
Also on the Sumerian bowl exists the same rectangular shapes and of course similar writing.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_bolivia/fuente_magna.jpg
Source link
Its a direct match and clears up the Sth America mystery relating to the transfer of Mesopotamian knowledge to the land of the Inca and to the surrounding tribes in the general area.
Mesopotamia is the source knowledge, through the Andites that spread to the Inca.
Note the star symbol on this Sumerian Black seal, I know there are more symbols like this around.
http://www.antiquesatoz.com/golf/Images/syr13-2,jpg
Now notice the symbol highlighted in the Bolivian Sumerian artifacts, note the symbol
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/fm5a.jpg
In my mind there is no question that the Sumerian/Akaddian explorers reached the Land of the Inca and relayed there knowledge which perpetuated throughout the region in most main cultures over time.
They estimate the time of contact around 5,500 years ago.
That's pretty good to me. Hard to refute this evidence.
on going!
Regards
sevens
[ 07-26-2006, 08:38 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Far-out doctrine gone crazy.
What about that piece about Jesus, he supports Jihad.
How is that possible, he admonished us to love neighbours, to love and forgive. How is logically possible that Jesus would support Jihad.
I think personally there is more truth amongst us that reveals greater accuracy and a better message I just read.
I do find it interesting how there talking about change, about something rising up. On a spiritual level there also talking about something. Well I something is going to happen in the short I would suggest my current thought hypothesis would offer more a life than that Jihad.
As far as I'm concerned they are all in prophecy and identified in Isaiah as the scribe who counts the towers and made them fall. In Enoch 99:6 they are the ones who seek terror and find ways to do it of which no one will help.
Its interesting while they have been forming there own hypothesis about the end we have to amongst ourselves in discovering the truth behind all this. I would think what we have discovering promotes the message of peace is far better way to go and to explore that does not take free will away. I believe the scriptures in our explorations and discoveries in love is truly blessed with information that will last and will eventually over come terror.
Look at the contrast and what they say. I personally think they are playing out prophecy at this time. Surrounding Israel step by step. Just in light of our discussions Eden is in the background and even in the short time we can look back and already see events playing out as read in the scriptures.
I have faith in the current path and the discoveries, our discoveries. I believe its all leading somewhere good. The terror we read is the kinds of things that will be dealt with as read. The potency in our discoveries are real as compared to the other message. We read the mysteries, discover and explore them, then release them for scrutiny and research, its honest, open. I think that's a truth in itself.
It a ridiculous situation and just an example of living in the past without vision of the future drawn from the future. The saga continues and the players seem to be more real as we observe and look at things. Im sure these events are in the timeline as we have been discovering and exploring. Just think, Eden in the background and the message it promotes and you have the sons in quarrel at its doorstep. Gee, come on guys.
You know in the spiritual you have the Trinity of Paradise present and they observe this and they are from the highest levels and the whole universe on every level witnessing this event and look at man. Promoting wars of hatred, seen from the universe prospective this is filth and will be cleaned out and the meek shall inherit the earth. The people promoting the terror wilfully are blind to this, they sense a second coming or change but they don't recognise or reflect upon the actions in accordance to the 10 commandments. While they pull the stick our of there brothers eye, they have log in there own.
We know were not perfect but least we are trying to discover the honest truth with an honest heart in peace and I know that will be blessed and is blessed.
All the best everyone. Know there is some good light at the end of the tunnel.
Because the bible and all the other scripts tells us so!
sevens
[ 07-27-2006, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
I was thinking I discovered last night there are 10 days to go on the test of man when I proclaimed it. Well... see what happens, you never know!!! Lets see how the reality shapes in this time as mystery unfolds. Lets have faith in the scripts to combat this terror promotion. If its not in 10 days it could be related to what's on the Acropolis Hill as what I've seen in the scripts notably in Daniel and in Revelation. The stone cut out of the mountain and the measuring of the temple, the face of his Testamony.
In regards to what they discover depends on what equipment they use. From what I understand they'll use a sub bottom profiler that will penetrate the mud. I'm not sure whether a R.O.V will be available because of war.
But anyway see what happens its all in our hands and in the Fathers hands. With what I write and research is in faith, I hope its right.
all the best and lets see what the path unfolds as we walk this mystery and in real life.
sevens
[ 07-27-2006, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
notice that the following tablet on the top is similiar to the Mari Seal with the 2 springs on the Acropolis Mount or the holy mountain. Look at the top of this tablet.
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart4.jpg
Looking at it again its the 12 gates and the springs on top of the Hill and the wall. However even though it could be seen stars but it seems to fit the Mari seal
I know it can look like the 2 stars and an upside down crescent moon. But if you looked at it from a mountain point of view. It could look like 2 springs either side of the central ring where the tree of life stood on top of the Acropolis Hill. 3 coplanar rings on the hill?
Know the 12 gates and walled paths across the isthmus had 12 grand divisions between the paths filled with all manner of wild beasts as a part of the defense system of Eden. So that's 24 gates in total 12 outer gates and 12 inner gates, 12 pathways between them. If you look at Russian bathymetric data you can see resemblance of the gate system as they may have been built on a ridge system. then the 12 divisions on the flat piece and then onto next ridge with the inner system of gates.
In the tablet below those rectangular shapes seem to symbolize the walled pathways of the gates and the gate system. The wild beats and serpents and scorpions in the middle section between the gates appear to symbolize the 12 grand divisions.
For anyone interested here is the Urantia account of the 12 gates
- Link
A zoological garden was created by building a smaller wall just outside the main wall; the intervening space, occupied by all manner of wild beasts, served as an additional defense against hostile attacks. This menagerie was organized in twelve grand divisions, and walled paths led between these groups to the twelve gates of the Garden, the river and its adjacent pastures occupying the central area.
So as you can read and see in the tablet above are the same thing as with the Mari Seal. There is a commonality in type and in design, both stones have the same representation and do have connections with the rectangular shapes of the Sumerian bowl found in Bolivia. Also Lake Titicaca was built in type to the location of Cyprus as there now seems to be a link to Mesopotamia, it would make sense that myth and religious knowledge would transmit and its message today.
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart4.jpg
here is the Mari seal with the same representation of the 2 springs on the mount and the 12 gates symbolised below.
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/mari_cultic_stela.jpg
and know the bowl and its rectangular features
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_bolivia/fuente_magna.jpg
It kind of makes sense when there is some scripts that descibes the place.
Heres some Ugarit scripts that describes the location. Note the references to
s springs, two rivers, the deep, enthroned, palace, channels, deep, the kinf, father of years, like in Book of the Dead. All remninscent of the land of the location.
- KYU is Ugarit script The reference to "deep calling to deep" is based in the Canaanite notion that the cosmic mountain where El makes his abode joins the heavenly "Deep" (cf. Genesis 1:6) with the subterranean "deep" contained within the mountain (cf. Job 28:9-11, 38:16-17). In the Ugaritic Baal Epic, we read of the god Kothar heading "toward El at the springs of the Double-Rivers, amidst the channels of the Double-Deeps. He comes to the mountain of El and enters the tent of the King, the Father of Years" (KTU 1.2 III 4-5). Similarly, in another myth El's mountain palace is said to lie "at the springs of the Two Rivers, at the meeting place of the Double-Deeps (mbk nhrm b'dt thmtm, KTU 1.100 R 1-4). In the OT, we also read how Yahweh "builds his palace on the waters above" and "sits enthroned on the Flood" (Psalm 29:10; 104:2-3), and Ezekiel 28:2 has the Phoenician king declare: "I am El ('l), in the dwelling of the gods ('lhym); I dwell in the mid
and then you the Cannanite thoughts of the same place. Note the words., Zion, holy hill, ancients gates (there in writing), holy place, mountain, city of God, Gehenna, cosmic mountain, associated with disaster.
- Thus in Psalm 2:6-8, Yahweh calls Zion "my holy hill," in Psalm 24:1-8 "Yahweh the warrior" enters through the "ancient gates" of his "holy place" in the "mountain of Yahweh", and in Psalm 46:4, the "city of God" is called "the holy place where the Most High dwells." Zion appears to be the mountain described in 1 Enoch 26, from which a deep valley descends -- the "accursed valley" where the souls of the wicked are tormented (i.e. Gehenna) according to 1 Enoch 27. According to Isaiah 14:12-15, Sheol lies at the base of the cosmic mountain, and it is only natural for the deep valley below it to be associated with the underworld.
In Ugarit script again, this place seems tio have a message that is associated with the deluge, but also is a message of the future and the purpose of this place in regards to the end of the rebellion, which I feel is relevant for todays message.
- "As the Abysses boil above the foundations of the waters, their towering waves and billows shall rage with the voice of their roaring; and as they rage, Sheol and Abaddon shall open and all the flying arrows of the Pit shall send out their voice to the Abyss. (the reflection of the deluge used in the reflection of the future.)
And the gates of Sheol shall open on all the works of vanity and the doors of the Pit shall close on the conceivers of wickedness..... The torrents of Belial shall break into Abaddon, and the deeps of the Abyss shall groan amid the roar of the heaving mud....
(A voice comes from this place, it makes itslef obvious, it cries from the deep. I think its a message for today. I feel it has to do with this terror and wilfull destruction.)
The heavenly hosts shall cry out and the world's foundations shall swagger and sway....The deeps resound to my groaning and my soul has journeyed to the gates of death. (1QH 11:16-19, 32-35)
(There you go Heaven reacts and the perpetrators are dealt with.)
From Ugarit scripts, unbelievable not to mention the message from Bolivia.
So all the stones seem to have a message, they seem to be talking some how through its art and its truth.
Well that's I reckon.
on going
Regards
sevens
[ 07-27-2006, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
Ive just following it through a bit further and to see if I could more commonalities in the stones, tablets and location.
Here is a little more research I did on the stones
Link
Also I've seen 3 circles in a co planar fashion in other seals, bit I lost track of them. I think they are significant and further supports the idea, also I think the 3 circles resembles not only the canals on the Acropolis Hill but the Paradise Trinity in a cosmic sense.
Just follow the arrows it a little messy.
Is this what they mean by the sacred stones, a map to the land of the Gods
Just some thoughts.
all the best
sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
The Sumerian travel links
A four winged angels, like the one described in Ezekiel, actually there Seraphims. Can be a look into the Nephilim or the Annanuki in this stone, the watchers!!
http://www.crystalinks.com/annunakiman.jpg
The influence of angels in the worlds of mankind.
Here is another
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods3.jpg
Its interesting all the realities going on now in the world is very much apart of the spiritual reality! Spiritual forces in the kingdoms of men. I thank God for Jesus and his great message.
3 concentric circles within the flower!
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/bb056.gif
King of Elam ruled at Susa (now in Iran). Elam was conquered by the Assyrians later.
Note the tree of life
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber055.jpg
Source link
Again the tree of life, following the theme.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber058.jpg
Picking fruit of the tree of life, al the same common theme through all the surrounding areas and has still perpetuated today.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber058.jpg
Here is what the fruit looked like.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber060.jpg
The fruit of immortality which is spoke of for the future.
more
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/bo160.jpg
Note the eyes easter island
http://www.crystalinks.com/easterisland.html
Note the eyes in Indonesia
http://www.crystalinks.com/indonesiasc.html
Now note the eyes in Sumerian depictions
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart.html
Here is a link to Dilmun in Bahrain close to the original home of the Nephilim in physical many thousands of years ago, before our known recognised history.
http://www.crystalinks.com/dilmun.html
All in the common theme
Cruising along,
regards
sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 09:24 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Further travels of the Andites that leads to figure from the past waving hello to us
A four winged angels, like the one described in Ezekiel, actually there Seraphims. Can be a look into the Nephilim or the Annanuki in this stone, the watchers!!
http://www.crystalinks.com/annunakiman.jpg
The influence of angels in the worlds of mankind.
Here is another
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods3.jpg
Its interesting all the realities going on now in the world is very much apart of the spiritual reality! Spiritual forces in the kingdoms of men. I thank God for Jesus and his great message.
3 concentric circles within the flower!
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/bb056.gif
King of Elam ruled at Susa (now in Iran). Elam was conquered by the Assyrians later.
Note the tree of life
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber055.jpg
Source link
Again the tree of life, following the theme.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber058.jpg
Picking fruit of the tree of life, al the same common theme through all the surrounding areas and has still perpetuated today.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber058.jpg
Here is what the fruit looked like.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber060.jpg
The fruit of immortality which is spoke of for the future.
The Eye journey, the marker of the Andites
The confirmation of the Journey.
Note the eyes in the various Sumerian statute depictions.
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart.html
Now notice the eyes in Indonesian rock depictions.
http://www.crystalinks.com/indonesiasc.html
Now notice the eyes on Easter island statute.
http://www.crystalinks.com/easterisland.html
- Now the final step in the Eye journey and a message from the past, greeting us in working out this mystery. All the way from Peru , the Nazca lines. All seen beforehand, from the lost generation of the Andites in Peru. Say hi!
- http://www.crystalinks.com/nazca.human.jpg
What a sense of Humor the early Sumerian/Inca had.
I would take that as a confirmation of the journey from Mesopotamia to Peru with a between 5000 -10,000 year or more year message and wave for today for today's generation in the transition and change of knowledge.Here is also perhaps images and reflections of the tree of life.
http://www.crystalinks.com/petroglyphs.html
also
further mystery
Here is a link to Dilmun in Bahrain close to the original home of the Nephilim in physical many thousands of years ago, before our known recognized history.
The Urantia Book word search The Andites
http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=andites&submit=Submit
April 11th 2007 leading to the discovery of Dalamatia asking questions back in 07-28-2006
http://www.crystalinks.com/dilmun.html
All in the common theme
Cruising along,
regards
sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 09:50 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
Ive just following it through a bit further and to see if I could more commonalities in the stones, tablets and location.
Here is a little more research I did on the stones
Link
Also I've seen 3 circles in a co planar fashion in other seals, bit I lost track of them. I think they are significant and further supports the idea, also I think the 3 circles resembles not only the canals on the Acropolis Hill but the Paradise Trinity in a cosmic sense.
Just follow the arrows it a little messy.
Is this what they mean by the sacred stones, a map to the land of the Gods
Just some thoughts.
all the best
sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Ok now Im looking at the Nazca Lines in Peru.
Here is seven concentric circle seal, the same representation as in The Mari Seal which in my mind depicts the springs on top of the Acropolis Hill. To me it seems like a connection symbolism, part of the mysteries of mysteries, time/space unification in meaning for me.
http://www.crystalinks.com/nazcaspiral.jpg
Source Link Just scroll down and look at the images and it relation to Sumerian commonalities.
Also the whale image in my mind is the isle of the Gods of Cyprus another map. Note the isthmus and the river outline in the middle running out of the location.
And the island jutting out of coastal outline.
Again in the Hummingbird image in the link above To me it looks an outline of an island connected to the mainland by an isthmus, like in the location?
This must be the confirmation surely,
here another Olmec version.
Another Version of the Tree of Life
The Eye of Creation and the Snake=Human DNA
http://www.crystalinks.com/olmectol2.jpg
To me it look like another depiction of the isle of the Gods with the tree of life present, the isle is like a tree but looking at it from an lisand point of view it could look like the location connected by an isthmus with two gates running across the isthmus as you can see. And you can see the 3 co-planar circles at the base of the tree.
Tells the same story and all the characters are in the saga.
Note the tree of life perpetuation from the Americas
http://www.crystalinks.com/olmec2.html
regards
sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Rockessence,
I went to the pic and went to the link and briefed through it, amazed. All the same features, I read about the 7 cities, surrounded by 7 hills...incredible.
The whole story seems like the Atlantis story for sure.
The one thing that will determine much would be the result of core samples in around the location of Cyprus. I say around 34,000 years ago, the deluge others say 14,000 years or less. Unfortunately I dont think they will be doing core samples in this next expedition because of the war. So the debate will rage on for a while yet.
Im thinking in my heart that the legend migrated up there through the family way in the past by a truth seeker within the family or the family are actual descendants and survivors of the Atlanteans and migrated and brought the legend with them.
The Adamite's did penetrate Europe after the deluge. I enjoyed the UB parallels, like to Vaner has links to Van, Lake Van Turkey, where Van custodian of the tree lived 150,000 years ago to 38,0000. Van built a civilisation, the forerunners of the Urartians. Van built the Garden of Eden/Atlantis Cyprus and transplanted the tree of life on the location. Adam and Eve materialised and ate of the tree for 100 years and were expelled.
Note the Sevens and the deluge.
Note that on the location the Acropolis Hill is surrounded by seven hills.
To me it describes the location and everything. However its the core samples that will tell the story.
All the best
thanks sevens
Hi Im on the tablet thing.
Here is a link to the Tablets of Elba, dates vary from 2400BC to 3500BC. somewhere I say the record of Abraham 1970BC
All the information has links to the seal of Mari in my view.
Al have aspects of patriarchs and is thought to have information of the Melchizedeks and information on Abraham and Sodom and Gommorah.
regards
sevens
http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/32ebla_tablets.html
[ 07-26-2006, 03:44 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hey Ideopraxist.
I reckon forget about looking for evidence for the Israelites in Egyptian records, I reckon if there was a full interpretation of the Tablets of Elba. I reckon you would find a fairly comprehensive record of the Abram times and all the characters involved.
Dates does vary so III go the UB dates of in around 1970-1870 BC for Abraham.
I sense that there is a huge record of there of the whole scenario of around that time.
I must say the Semites had large empire going on before Abraham
Yeah thank God for puters, for sure, makes life and research so much better.
Gee I don't why they are all in dispute today they are all more or less the same family and look at em, fighting cannot get there act together!
Its a useless affair religion and politics going no where fast.
Here is read of Melchezidek which includes Abraham and could be used with the Elba tablets and the Bible to pinpoint truth with greater accuracy.
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper93.html
- It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, "I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God."
I thought the date could be used to back engineer. I noticed many dates given do vary from one researcher to another. I figure the UB, an accurate book. I thought I would work on this date given in the above.
Could be a good study. I get the feeling that the dates given in our history are out to a degree. You knows maybe the date above might give us a more accurate timeline on our history with respect to the area and its politics.
regards
sevens
[ 07-27-2006, 07:02 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Also, from what I heard the 2nd Expedition is still on track, They wont be able to do as as they want but its on track, not sure on the dates but hopefully next month sometime. Note this could change because of this disastrous and waste of time war in Israel. Over religion and power the usual rubbish.
I wish they stop fighting and get there act together particularly the ones who perpetuate this nonsense, whoever it is.
Anyway that's not going stop God in this adventure and neither the project. I just have faith in that and I will believe it and it will happen. Nothing will stop heaven at this time. No one is going to stop the quest for truth, beauty and goodness. No way!
Remembering that this truth is in background of all this folly and it has teeth, Big Teeth. These leaders should take note particularly the religious controlled types in power. But they are to blind to see by there own religious lusts intermingled with power and doctrine gone crazy.
This is the test for them, I tell you what, what a failure at the end of the day, like going back in the dark ages and especially in light of all this beautiful truth realising itself through discovery and exploration. God/Man working together for peace and prosperity for all not the other rubbish.
A far better and peaceful fence to be sitting on. There will be no prizes for those who perpetuate conflict. Total waste of human resources for such folly.
regards
sevens
[ 07-27-2006, 01:04 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
I notice that the following tablet on the top is similiar to the Mari Seal with the 2 springs on the Acropolis Mount or the holy mountain. Look at the top of this tablet.
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart4.jpg
Looking at it again its the 12 gates and the springs on top of the Hill and the wall. However even though it could be seen stars but it seems to fit the Mari seal
I know it can look like the 2 stars and an upside down crescent moon. But if you looked at it from a mountain point of view. It could look like 2 springs either side of the central ring where the tree of life stood on top of the Acropolis Hill. 3 coplanar rings on the hill?
Know the 12 gates and walled paths across the isthmus had 12 grand divisions btween the paths filled with all manner of wild beasts as a part of the defense system of Eden. So that's 24 gates in total 12 outer gates and 12 inner gates, 12 pathways between them. If you look at Russian bathymetric data you can see resemblance of the gate system as they may have been built on a ridge system. then the 12 divisions on the flat piece and then onto next ridge with the inner system of gates.
In the tablet below those rectangular shapes seem to symbolize the walled pathways of the gates and the gate system. The wild beats and serpents and scorpions in the middle section between the gates appear to symbolize the 12 grand divisions.
For anyone interested here is the Urantia account of the 12 gates
- Link
A zoological garden was created by building a smaller wall just outside the main wall; the intervening space, occupied by all manner of wild beasts, served as an additional defense against hostile attacks. This menagerie was organized in twelve grand divisions, and walled paths led between these groups to the twelve gates of the Garden, the river and its adjacent pastures occupying the central area.
So as you can read and see in the tablet above are the same thing as with the Mari Seal. There is a commonality in type and in design, both stones have the same representation and do have connections with the rectangular shapes of the Sumerian bowl found in Bolivia. Also Lake Titicaca was built in type to the location of Cyprus as there now seems to be a link to Mesopotamia, it would make sense that myth and religious knowledge would transmit and its message today.
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart4.jpg
here is the Mari seal with the same representation of the 2 springs on the mount and the 12 gates symbolised below.
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/mari_cultic_stela.jpg
and know the bowl and its rectangular features
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_bolivia/fuente_magna.jpg
It kind of makes sense when there is some scripts that descibes the place.
Heres some Ugarit scripts that describes the location. Note the references to
2 springs, two rivers, the deep, enthroned, palace, channels, deep, the king, father of years, like in Book of the Dead. All reminscent of the land of the location.
- KYU is Ugarit script The reference to "deep calling to deep" is based in the Canaanite notion that the cosmic mountain where El makes his abode joins the heavenly "Deep" (cf. Genesis 1:6) with the subterranean "deep" contained within the mountain (cf. Job 28:9-11, 38:16-17). In the Ugaritic Baal Epic, we read of the god Kothar heading "toward El at the springs of the Double-Rivers, amidst the channels of the Double-Deeps. He comes to the mountain of El and enters the tent of the King, the Father of Years" (KTU 1.2 III 4-5). Similarly, in another myth El's mountain palace is said to lie "at the springs of the Two Rivers, at the meeting place of the Double-Deeps (mbk nhrm b'dt thmtm, KTU 1.100 R 1-4). In the OT, we also read how Yahweh "builds his palace on the waters above" and "sits enthroned on the Flood" (Psalm 29:10; 104:2-3), and Ezekiel 28:2 has the Phoenician king declare: "I am El ('l), in the dwelling of the gods ('lhym); I dwell in the mid
and then you the Cannanite thoughts of the same place. Note the words., Zion, holy hill, ancients gates (there in writing), holy place, mountain, city of God, Gehenna, cosmic mountain, associated with disaster.
- Thus in Psalm 2:6-8, Yahweh calls Zion "my holy hill," in Psalm 24:1-8 "Yahweh the warrior" enters through the "ancient gates" of his "holy place" in the "mountain of Yahweh", and in Psalm 46:4, the "city of God" is called "the holy place where the Most High dwells." Zion appears to be the mountain described in 1 Enoch 26, from which a deep valley descends -- the "accursed valley" where the souls of the wicked are tormented (i.e. Gehenna) according to 1 Enoch 27. According to Isaiah 14:12-15, Sheol lies at the base of the cosmic mountain, and it is only natural for the deep valley below it to be associated with the underworld.
In Ugarit script again, this place seems to have a similar message that is associated with the deluge, but also is a message of the future and the purpose of this place in regards to the end of the rebellion, which I feel is relevant for today's message.
- "As the Abysses boil above the foundations of the waters, their towering waves and billows shall rage with the voice of their roaring; and as they rage, Sheol and Abaddon shall open and all the flying arrows of the Pit shall send out their voice to the Abyss.
(the reflection of the deluge used in the reflection of the future of potential earth changes.)
And the gates of Sheol shall open on all the works of vanity and the doors of the Pit shall close on the conceivers of wickedness..... The torrents of Belial shall break into Abaddon, and the deeps of the Abyss shall groan amid the roar of the heaving mud....
(A voice comes from this place, it makes itself obvious, it cries from the deep. I think its a message for today. I feel it has to do with this terror and wilfull destruction.)
The heavenly hosts shall cry out and the world's foundations shall swagger and sway....The deeps resound to my groaning and my soul has journeyed to the gates of death. (1QH 11:16-19, 32-35)
(There you go Heaven reacts and the perpetrators are dealt with and implies earth changes.)
From Ugarit scripts, unbelievable not to mention the message from Bolivia.
So all the stones seem to have a message, they seem to be talking some how through its art and its truth.
And note this message comes from all the surrounding regions of the area that were related to 1stEden and note that a voice from the past is making it voice felt today, Like a warning from the past, from the pit.
However, we don't have to worry because we know the truth and understand the true message of the place which is truth, beauty and goodness. The Jesus message of love and forgiveness and move forward. That is I feel is the life raft through this journey, through the valley of the shadow of death. Look at what is being promoted today. Have faith it all turn out ok.
So now in the current timeline you have.
- Isreal surrounded by people who want to destroy it.
A people who want hegemony over a large part of the area.
You have a voice from the past religions of the area warning us of judgement through the stones.
You have the discovery 1st Eden/Atlantis.
You have timeline markers that can be recognised.
You have a conjunction in the scripts that harmonise with science.
You have a message of peace and message of destruction of those who seek destruction wilfully upon others.
Its a real space/time unification going on here with revelation and reality forming a oneness in truth and how it plays out.
There seems to be many connections here of a great saga, a great spiritual battle. Like watching the movies and we are the actors in physical and you have the spiritual actors and the earth. Its interesting.
Well that's I reckon.
on going
Regards
sevens
[ 07-27-2006, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
Ive just following it through a bit further and to see if I could more commonalities in the stones, tablets and location.
Here is a little more research I did on the stones
Link
Also I've seen 3 circles in a co planar fashion in other seals, bit I lost track of them. I think they are significant and further supports the idea, also I think the 3 circles resembles not only the canals on the Acropolis Hill but the Paradise Trinity in a cosmic sense.
Just follow the arrows it a little messy.
Is this what they mean by the sacred stones, a map to the land of the Gods
Just some thoughts.
all the best
sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
A four winged angels, like the one described in Ezekiel, actually there Seraphim's. Can be a look into the Nephilim or the Annanuki in this stone, the watchers!!
http://www.crystalinks.com/annunakiman.jpg
The influence of angels in the worlds of mankind.
Here is another
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods3.jpg
Its interesting all the realities going on now in the world is very much apart of the spiritual reality! Spiritual forces in the kingdoms of men. I thank God for Jesus and his great message.
3 concentric circles within the flower!
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/bb056.gif
King of Elam ruled at Susa (now in Iran). Elam was conquered by the Assyrians later.
Note the tree of life
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber055.jpg
Source link
Again the tree of life, following the theme.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber058.jpg
Picking fruit of the tree of life, al the same common theme through all the surrounding areas and has still perpetuated today.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber058.jpg
Here is what the fruit looked like.
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/images/ber060.jpg
The fruit of immortality which is spoke of for the future.
07-28-2006http://www.dalamatiacity.com/inca.htm
Note the eyes in the various Sumerian statute depictions.
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart.html
Then notice the eyes in Indonesian rock depictions.
http://www.crystalinks.com/indonesiasc.html
Now notice the eyes on Easter island statute.
http://www.crystalinks.com/easterisland.html
- Now the final step in the Eye journey and a message from the past, greeting us in working out this mystery. All the way from Peru , the Nazca lines. The saw it all beforehand, from the lost generation. Say hi!
http://www.crystalinks.com/petroglyphs.html
What a sense of humor the early Sumerian had.
I would take that as a confirmation of the journey from Mesopotamia to Peru with 5500 year old message and wave for today.
April 11 2007: Now that we are further down the track we see the waving hand of the waving man of Dilmun with a triangular headdress.
Dilmun, the home of the original Andites.
Also note: Now that we are further down in the timeline the relevance of the messages of the Seven tablets
seem more relevant now that we have identified the breach of Dilmun and perhaps in Isaiah
in the sevenfold timeline regarding the breach, a conjunction of manifestation, truth and point of realisation.and now consider this thread of thought and discovery of the Breach of Dilmun
also
further mystery Does the "double deeps" as referred to excerpts in the Sevens tablet refer to the two locations of discovery,
Dalamatia, Dilmun and Babel. The two locations of the Seven commands discovery?
Here is a link to Dilmun in Bahrain close to the original home of the Nephilim in physical many thousands of years ago, before our known recognized history.
http://www.crystalinks.com/dilmun.html
All in the common theme
Cruising along,
regards
sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 09:50 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Ok now Im looking at the Nazca Lines in Peru.
Here is seven concentric circle seal, the same representation as in The Mari Seal which in my mind depicts the springs on top of the Acropolis Hill. To me it seems like a connection symbolism, part of the mysteries of mysteries, time/space unification in meaning for me.
http://www.crystalinks.com/nazcaspiral.jpg
Source Link Just scroll down and look at the images and it relation to Sumerian commonalities.
Also the whale image in my mind is the isle of the Gods of Cyprus another map. Note the isthmus and the river outline in the middle running out of the location.
And the island jutting out of coastal outline.
Again in the Hummingbird image in the link above To me it looks an outline of an island connected to the mainland by an isthmus, like in the location?
This must be the confirmation surely,
here another Olmec version.
Another Version of the Tree of Life
The Eye of Creation and the Snake=Human DNA
http://www.crystalinks.com/olmectol2.jpg
To me it look like another depiction of the isle of the Gods with the tree of life present, the isle is like a tree but looking at it from an island point of view it could look like the location connected by an isthmus with two gates running across the isthmus as you can see. And you can see the 3 co-planar circles at the base of the tree.
Tells the same story and all the characters are in the saga.
Note the tree of life perpetuation from the Americas
http://www.crystalinks.com/olmec2.html
regards
sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 10:44 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Rockessence,
I went to the pic and went to the link and briefed through it, amazed. All the same features, I read about the 7 cities, surrounded by 7 hills...incredible.
The whole story seems like the Atlantis story for sure.
The one thing that will determine much would be the result of core samples in around the location of Cyprus. I say around 34,000 years ago, the deluge others say 14,000 years or less. Unfortunately I dont think they will be doing core samples in this next expedition becuase of the war. So the debate will rage on for a while yet.
Im thinking in my heart that the legend migrated up there through the family way in the past by a truth seeker within the family or the family are actual descendants and survivors of the Atlanteans and migrated and brought the legend with them.
The Admaites did penetrate Europe after the deluge. I enjoyed the UB parallels, like to Vaner has links to Van, Lake Van Turkey, where Van custodian of the tree lived 150,000 years ago to 38,0000. Van built a civilisation, the forerunners of the Urartians. Van built the Garden of Eden/Atlantis Cyprus and transplanted the tree of life on the location. Adam and Eve materialised and ate of the tree for 100 years and were expelled.
Note the Sevens and the deluge.
Note that on the location the Acropolis Hill is surrounded by seven hills.
To me it describes the location and everything. However its the core samples that will tell the story.
All the best
thanks sevens
[ 07-28-2006, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
April 11th 2007 Read the following post The Beginnings of the search for Dalamatia
Hi Rockessence.
I know its a big study, I briefed through it as quick as could to give you some reply. I have to go through it methodically, I tried listening to a audio tape but I couldn't understand the person very well. But it seems like a very old family legend, it quite amazing that a record like this could survive all those years.
Its funny all these discoveries, when you put the pieces together, and still there that 10% of wandering or is it right with anything. That's where I think science really helps as it helps make determination.
I really appreciate the link and will study it, What about the cave and the rock seal. The size of it!
Its quite incredible how there seems to be links to the tree of life all over the world or at least some mythology where the fruit of a tree gave immortality. Ive been researching the tree aspect and following it through to Dilmun, near where the home of the Nephilim lived. Apparently Sumerian texts has a record of this mythical land of the Gods that was between 2 seas, (11 April 2007 could be a peninsula, like in dilmun), the very birth of civilisation. Then you go North East Cyprus, where the Adamics also had the tree of life for a short time They also held the legend in there myths in the 2nd garden which became confused in the record of the tree.
Dalamatia was a place I feel, that may have been located off Bahrain on a submerged spit of land between 2 seas that connected to the mainland. The place was submerged after a tidal wave 150,000 then re emerged, then to resubmerge again. However from what I read there are vestiges still left of the lost city. However
Here is a link of a sketch I put together sometime ago, its only speculation, it could one of a couple of places, either Bahrain or near the mouth of the Mesopotamian rivers.
Dalamatia Bahrain option
or the Mesopotamia option at the mouth.
Mesopotamia option
here is another option for Bahrain/Dalamatia option an overview. Its a mess but you can get the story.
Bahrain option overview
However if you look at the Mesopotamia Dalamatia option its even more compelling. Also there seems to be anomalies seen at the ancient mouth.
Dalamatia Mesopotamia option
Having a look at it, I would say the Mesopotamia option looks the most compelling as it fits the story and you have anomalous objects seen there with they look symmetrical.
Here is a possible outline of the Ancient cityEarly links Where do you think the lost city of Dalamatia exists.
It might help piece the overall picture, to have a hypothesis and then back engineer to see if the evidence fits.
You know I think a new study should be launched into the Sumerian tablets in light of this new knowledge and discovery. Looking at it from this point of view.
Anyway all the best
regards
sevens
[ 07-29-2006, 11:27 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
11 April 2007 Look where are now. We have discovered all the ancient places 1stEden, Dalamatia, Dilmun, Babel and the Adamson civilisation and have revealed the places where its knowledge is needed most on the run. The journey has elevated so much and has hit no dead ends.
Also in the above was an initial search I did for the ancient places.
The Discovery of Dalamatia down in the timeline.
Early thoughts. Where do you think the lost city of Dalamatia exists.
Hi Ideopraxist
I read Life on The Other Side of the Flood that was great. I really enjoyed that and felt it was balanced. I could see the face in the stone, it was quite amazing seeing it pop out like that, These stones are so unusual aren't they.
Its been flat out here following the path to see if I can uncover more, uncovering more stones trying to see whats on them, under them. You know.
What did you think of those wall relief's of the Angels harvesting the fruits of the tree of life. I thought the high res pics where majestic. Certainly a story of the past, Im just thinking about it relevance for today.
If its right where this is all leading, the tree of life could very much be apart of the future. Seeing those majestic relief's but in context to the reality could be significant to today.
Rising out of the stone.
Anyway Im sure all this, everything links up and all points to the message of the day, somehow. Finding all these clues of the ancients being led here, there, everywhere is a real journey in itself. In both physical and spiritual its a real oneness.
Just some thoughts.
all the best and enjoyed your links.
regards
sevens
[ 07-29-2006, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
Been following the Seven track to find out more on a spiritual level and how Sevenfold ties in since we see Sevenfold in all culture in one way or another. Here is what I found, its a read but interesting and does have strong links to the Sevenfold.
Here is an extract from the UB which I think is very relevant for today and it provides better understanding of the parallels and linkages to all the discoveries that are happening now, in our own individual way.
- Sevenfold spiritual parallel
But these mistakes of the intellect in no way interfered with the believer's great progress in growth in spirit. In less than a month after the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth, the apostles made more individual spiritual progress than during their almost four years of personal and loving association with the Master. Neither did this substitution of the fact of the resurrection of Jesus for the saving gospel truth of sonship with God in any way interfere with the rapid spread of their teachings; on the contrary, this overshadowing of Jesus' message by the new teachings about his person and resurrection seemed greatly to facilitate the preaching of the good news.
The term "baptism of the spirit," which came into such general use about this time, merely signified the conscious reception of this gift of the Spirit of Truth and the personal acknowledgment of this new spiritual power as an augmentation of all spiritual influences previously experienced by God-knowing souls.
Since the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth, man is subject to the teaching and guidance of a threefold spirit endowment: the spirit of the Father, the Thought Adjuster; the spirit of the Son, the Spirit of Truth; the spirit of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
In a way, mankind is subject to the double influence of the sevenfold appeal of the universe spirit influences. The early evolutionary races of mortals are subject to the progressive contact of the seven adjutant mind-spirits of the local universe Mother Spirit. As man progresses upward in the scale of intelligence and spiritual perception, there eventually come to hover over him and dwell within him the seven higher spirit influences. And these seven spirits of the advancing worlds are:
1. The bestowed spirit of the Universal Father-the Thought Adjusters.
2. The spirit presence of the Eternal Son--the spirit gravity of the universe of universes and the certain channel of all spirit communion.
3. The spirit presence of the Infinite Spirit--the universal spirit-mind of all creation, the spiritual source of the intellectual kinship of all progressive intelligences.
4. The spirit of the Universal Father and the Creator Son--the Spirit of Truth, generally regarded as the spirit of the Universe Son.
5. The spirit of the Infinite Spirit and the Universe Mother Spirit--the Holy Spirit, generally regarded as the spirit of the Universe Spirit.
6. The mind-spirit of the Universe Mother Spirit--the seven adjutant mind-spirits of the local universe.
7. The spirit of the Father, Sons, and Spirits--the new-name spirit of the ascending mortals of the realms after the fusion of the mortal spirit-born soul with the Paradise Thought Adjuster and after the subsequent attainment of the divinity and glorification of the status of the Paradise Corps of the Finality.
And so did the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth bring to the world and its peoples the last of the spirit endowment designed to aid in the ascending search for God.
I hope you didn't mind that but its good to explore and its the best cosmology around as one can personally witness it in there own life. Good information for all.
regards
sevens
[ 07-30-2006, 12:07 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Here is another little Gem I just found that completely confirms my explorations and discoveries with relation to the journey to Eden through the scripts and the Sevenfold connection with ancient and today's truth. To me it confirms my studies in the stars constellations of Orion and its Sevenfold connection with constellations like Orion and its starmap links with the Sphinxes riddle and other seven connections.
I found in the following an extract out of the UB about Amos and his association of the Father with the seven truth of the Stars and also makes association to Orion. How Ironic, so in effect it endorsees the research in Job 38 as well.
Job 38 Job 38 Orion
- UB source
Said Amos: "He who formed the mountains and created the wind, seek him who formed the seven stars and Orion, who turns the shadow of death into the morning and makes the day dark as night." And in denouncing his half-religious, timeserving, and sometimes immoral fellows, he sought to portray the inexorable justice of an unchanging Yahweh when he said of the evildoers: "Though they dig into hell, thence shall I take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down." "And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I direct the sword of justice, and it shall slay them." Amos further startled his hearers when, pointing a reproving and accusing finger at them, he declared in the name of Yahweh: "Surely I will never forget any of your works." "And I will sift the house of Israel among all nations as wheat is sifted in a sieve."
Note: the reference to Judgement!
Whats been presented in the last 2 posts is connections with the Sevenfold, The Father, The Holy Spirit and its Sevenfold augmentation, the Seven stars and Orion in the bible.
quote:
seek him who formed the seven stars and Orion, who turns the shadow of death into the morning and makes the day dark as night."
I must say this is interesting in its direct references to Amos with the mention of the Seven Stars and Orion, the Ancient Sethite truth. Also note its connection to some judgement. Whilst Amos in the past was speaking to his brethren in that time, however all good prophecy has a duality in the timeline and its interesting to note the Authors of the UB would insert such as statement and its connection to the Seven Stars and Orion perhaps for this time in this conversation.
Makes you think! Whether this is a subtle endorsement from the UB and the authors for time of realisation. Also this links with Revelations references to the Seven Stars and the Seven Churches and its connection to the mystery of the Sevens Stars.
Makes you really think about it.
Only time will tell.
Quite an interesting conjunction. Not to mention all the support from Archaeology and its parallels in discovery. Im noticing more that with all the fragments pieced together there is a very strong conjunction of knowledge and common thread that goes straight to Paradise and all the characters are becoming more evident as we go in the journey.
See what happens eh!
regards
sevens
[ 07-30-2006, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
some more gems
Explains many things.
- The Unifier Link Michael Link
8. THE SUPREME UNIFIER
The Supreme Being has a threefold function in the experience of mortal man: First, he is the unifier of time-space divinity, God the Sevenfold; second, he is the maximum of Deity which finite creatures can actually comprehend; third, he is mortal man's only avenue of approach to the transcendental experience of consorting with absonite mind, eternal spirit, and Paradise personality.
UB Sevenfold Link
On Urantia there is a widespread belief that the purpose of a Son's bestowal is, in some manner, to influence the attitude of the Universal Father. But your enlightenment should indicate that this is not true. The bestowals of the Avonal and the Michael Sons are a necessary part of the experiential process designed to make these Sons safe and sympathetic magistrates and rulers of the peoples and planets of time and space.
The career of sevenfold bestowal is the supreme goal of all Paradise Creator Sons. And all Magisterial Sons are motivated by this same spirit of service which so abundantly characterizes the primary Creator Sons and the Eternal Son of Paradise.
here is a little about Jesus and might ad light to the Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
The UB Link in the link above
On a mortal-bestowal mission a Paradise Son is always born of woman and grows up as a male child of the realm, as Jesus did on Urantia. These Sons of supreme service all pass from infancy through youth to manhood just as does a human being. In every respect they become like the mortals of the race into which they are born. They make petitions to the Father as do the children of the realms in which they serve. From a material viewpoint, these human-divine Sons live ordinary lives with just one exception: They do not beget offspring on the worlds of their sojourn; that is a universal restriction imposed on all orders of the Paradise bestowal Sons.
This is amazing
regards
sevens
[ 07-30-2006, 05:20 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Something about Eden and Dalamatia
- UB Link
Zoroastrianism is the only Urantian creed that perpetuates the Dalamatian and Edenic teachings about the Seven Master Spirits. While failing to evolve the Trinity concept, it did in a certain way approach that of God the Sevenfold. Original Zoroastrianism was not a pure dualism; though the early teachings did picture evil as a time co-ordinate of goodness, it was definitely eternity-submerged in the ultimate reality of the good. Only in later times did the belief gain credence that good and evil contended on equal terms.
regards
sevens
[ 07-30-2006, 03:36 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
A thread on the pillars of Heracles
Thats intersting Rich
becuase I just found this on net. After reading the following rough quote from Herodotus it appears that the Pillars of Heracles was in a number of places besides Gilbraltor.
- Here's a rough quote from Herodotus:
In the wish to get the best information that I could on these matters, I made a voyage to Tyre in Phoenicia, hearing there was a temple of Heracles at that place, very highly venerated. I visited the temple, and found it richly adorned with a number of offerings, among which were two pillars, one of pure gold, the other of smaragdos, shining with great brilliancy at night.
In a conversation which I held with the priests, I inquired how long their temple had been built, and found by their answer that they, too, differed from the Hellenes. They said that the temple was built at the same time that the city was founded, and that the foundation of the city took place 2,300 years ago. (that's almost 3000BC, 5000 years ago, pretty close to Urgarit times in History.)
I thought it was interesting. There was probably pillars in the temple of Hellenes that seems to have religious undertones, in some ways being associated with a temple. Also assuming Pillars in the temple of Hellenes Plato probably referred to some pillars more close by. Perhaps!
Personaly I feel the Pillars are representative of the 12 gates that was built across the Isthmus of the submerged location, the neck. The 12 Gates are associated with the location and is in Parallel to the Pillars in the temple as seen in Tyre and in Egypt. Like a duality. This duality persisted throughout myth and Legend and in the Plato rendition of the location.
So now we have the The Pillars of Heracles and the temple in Tyre, Egypt and Hellenes. I suppose in Athens, I assume. Three locations of the pillars of Heracles. Such a high concentration of Pillars of Heracles that surround the location of Cyprus. Atlantis in my mind and Eden. The Pillars was smashed by Heracles and the deluge occurred and the memory perpetuated within the med.
Just some thoughts.
regards
sevens
[ 07-31-2006, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Im not sure wether this helps in this research. But here is an extract that might provide clues to the saga and may link.
UB link
- After the first garden was vacated by Adam, it was occupied variously by the Nodites, Cutites, and the Suntites. It later became the dwelling place of the northern Nodites who opposed co-operation with the Adamites. The peninsula had been overrun by these lower-grade Nodites for almost four thousand years after Adam left the Garden when, in connection with the violent activity of the surrounding volcanoes and the submergence of the Sicilian land bridge to Africa, the eastern floor of the Mediterranean Sea sank, carrying down beneath the waters the whole of the Edenic peninsula. Concomitant with this vast submergence the coast line of the eastern Mediterranean was greatly elevated. And this
I was interested in the Cutites, and the Suntites and maybe the Northern Nodites (The Giants in mythology) where the Atlanteans that Plato and the ancient Greeks was referring to. The ancient Greeks being direct progeny of the eldest son of Adam, that's where they get the notion that there heritage is from the Gods in mythology, its a blend of truth but does have threads.
Also note the Atlanteans were the Northern Nodites, The Northern Nodites seems to have 3 different sub cultures who controlled the place in 4000 years.
The Northern Nodites
The Suntites
The Cutites
The only thing in can associates the Suntites is with Sun worship culture, The Cutites maybe the Gutites where in conflict with the Adamics, maybe.
I did a search in Google on "The Gutites" and came up the following forum link out of nothing much. I was drawn to the following quote:
quote:
The Gutites source link
In the case of Iran, the Elamites, Susians and others also mentioned in SEMITIC LITERATURE LIKE THE BIBLE, were the original people in Persia and after the migrations of the Gutites from Zagros Mountains, the mixing of races began. Yet, for thousannds of years a certain segment of the original population remained in the Southern part of Iran.
Here is the google search, so little info mation about the Gutites.
The Gutites Google search
So I went to the Urantia Book about the Region of the Zargros Mountains and this is what I came up with this
- UB abd Zagros/Kopet Dag connection
Kopet Dag link
1. The violet race--Adamites and Adamsonites. The chief center of Adamite culture was in the second garden, located in the triangle of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers; this was indeed the cradle of Occidental and Indian civilizations. The secondary or northern center of the violet race was the Adamsonite headquarters, situated east of the southern shore of the Caspian Sea near the Kopet mountains. From these two centers there went forth to the surrounding lands the culture and life plasm which so immediately quickened all the races.
Here is a little something of where the early Greeks came from
- The Link to the source
This center of civilization was situated in the region east of the southern end of the Caspian Sea, near the Kopet Dagh. A short way up in the foothills of Turkestan are the vestiges of what was onetime the Adamsonite headquarters of the violet race. In these highland sites, situated in a narrow and ancient fertile belt lying in the lower foothills of the Kopet range, there successively arose at various periods four diverse cultures respectively fostered by four different groups of Adamson's descendants. It was the second of these groups which migrated westward to Greece and the islands of the Mediterranean. The residue of Adamson's descendants migrated north and west to enter Europe with the blended stock of the last Andite wave coming out of Mesopotamia, and they were also numbered among the Andite-Aryan invaders of India.
This could one of the Cultures that were in conflict with the Atlanteans The Gutites/The Cutites or The Northern Nodites?? Could this be the third culture that took over Atlantis after the expulsion of Adam?
Eden being inhabited by the Adamic originally.
Ok looking at it further Looks all these cultures as mentioned above where sub cultures of the Northern Nodites and here is a little something about them.
- Link, Nothern Nodites
When Adam elected to leave the first garden to the Nodites unopposed, he and his followers could not go west, for the Edenites had no boats suitable for such a marine adventure. They could not go north; the northern Nodites were already on the march toward Eden. They feared to go south; the hills of that region were infested with hostile tribes. The only way open was to the east, and so they journeyed eastward toward the then pleasant regions between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. And many of those who were left behind later journeyed eastward to join the Adamites in their new valley home.
Anyway just some thoughts.
all the best
regards
sevens
[ 07-31-2006, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
No worries Im probably a little off topic, got carried away.
I just wanted to explore the possible connection with the Egyptians and Atlantean cultures that inhabited the location before the deluge.
Actually, thinking about it after reading the post abuot the Guti, I was on the wrong track in the timelne, Im talking about a pre history that goes back let say 34,000 years.
Thanks it was interesting reading about the Guti.
Maybe the Guti were tha last and the distinct race to come out of the area of the Kopet Dagh and surrounding areas but in the timeline of the Guti?
all the best
regards
sevens
[ 07-31-2006, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Here is a clue to the Seven circles that Ive been finding in the stones.
- Seven circles clues in history
Moon worship preceded sun worship. Veneration of the moon was at its height during the hunting era, while sun worship became the chief religious ceremony of the subsequent agricultural ages. Solar worship first took extensive root in India, and there it persisted the longest. In Persia sun veneration gave rise to the later Mithraic cult.
Among many peoples the sun was regarded as the ancestor of their kings.
The Chaldeans put the sun in the center of "the seven circles of the universe." Later civilizations honored the sun by giving its name to the first day of the week.
I thought that was an interesting link to the seven concentric circles found all over the world and explains the ancient stones of circles note to mention the Babylonian stones.
Here is a link to the Schools of the Seven Circles
- Schools of the Seven Circles link
The training of Technical Advisers, begun in the Melchizedek colleges of the local universes, continues to the courts of the Ancients of Days. From this superuniverse training they proceed to the "schools of the seven circles" located on the pilot worlds of the Havona circuits. And from the pilot worlds they are received into the "college of the ethics of law and the technique of Supremacy," the Paradise training school for the perfecting of Technical Advisers.
All very interesting the relevance of the Seven Circles on the many levels.
a search on Sevens in the UB and a desription of Paradise
- Descrption of Paradise and its association to Holy Land
Each of the seven sectors of Paradise is subdivided into residential units suitable for the lodgment headquarters of one billion glorified individual working groups. One thousand of these units constitute a division. One hundred thousand divisions equal one congregation. Ten million congregations constitute an assembly. One billion assemblies make one grand unit. And this ascending series continues through the second grand unit, the third, and so on to the seventh grand unit. And ] seven of the grand units [/Bmake up the master units, and seven of the master units constitute a superior unit; and thus by sevens the ascending series expands through the superior, supersuperior, celestial, supercelestial, to the supreme units. But even this does not utilize all the space available. This staggering number of residential designations on Paradise, a number beyond your concept, occupies considerably less than one per cent of the assigned [b] area of the Holy Land. There is still plenty of room for those who are on their way inward, even for those who shall not start the Paradise climb until the times of the eternal future.
and here is the manifestion of Sevens reoccuring in the physical of our reality today, The Sevenfold manifestation.
The Sevens manifestion UB Paradise and The Sevenfold constitution.
This sevenfold persistence of creative constitution is exhibited in the chemical domains as a recurrence of similar physical and chemical properties in segregated periods of seven when the basic elements are arranged in the order of their atomic weights.
When the Urantia chemical elements are thus arranged in a row, any given quality or property tends to recur by sevens. This periodic change by sevens recurs diminishingly and with variations throughout the entire chemical table, being most markedly observable in the earlier or lighter atomic groupings. Starting from any one element, after noting some one property, such a quality will change for six consecutive elements, but on reaching the eighth, it tends to reappear, that is, the eighth chemically active element resembles the first, the ninth the second, and so on. Such a fact of the physical world unmistakably points to the sevenfold constitution of ancestral energy and is indicative of the fundamental reality of the sevenfold diversity of the creations of time and space. Man should also note that there are seven colors in the natural spectrum.
You know could work out the size of Paradise by the size of Isreal, the Holy Land and then from there you could work out the size of the universe? Population lation of Paradise not even 1%, lets .05%. Now multiply that by the area of Isreal?
Real food for thought, the whole Sevenfold constitution on all levels of reality, physical and spiritual.
All the best
regards
Sevens
[ 07-31-2006, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Back to the Egyptians and is earlier cultural influences that may have links back to the location and Egypt
- Link
Although the culture and religion of Egypt were chiefly derived from Andite Mesopotamia and largely transmitted to subsequent civilizations through the Hebrews and Greeks, much, very much, of the social and ethical idealism of the Egyptians arose in the valley of the Nile as a purely evolutionary development. Notwithstanding the importation of much truth and culture of Andite origin, there evolved in Egypt more of moral culture as a purely human development than appeared by similar natural techniques in any other circumscribed area prior to the bestowal of Michael.
Interesting.
regards
sevens
[ 07-31-2006, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
I thought this was interesting.
"Are we in the end times" An article in Newsweek. Look like there are others that are sensing things and seeing signs.
Heres the link
[URL=http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14083809/site/newsweek/]The Newsweek article[/URL]
I was drawn to the question/answer
[list]
[*][b] But if the end times are indeed near, why would there be any point in working toward fostering peace?[/b]
Right now the [b] Church of Jesus Christ[/b] is busy in the spiritual vein of trying to win people to Christ. We’re concerned about the salvation of individual souls. [b] This whole thing has heightened the spirit of evangelism.[/b] Wars have always done that. But never have we had a war that is so specifically following the pattern of the scripture.
and this
[b] So the Revelation should not be interpreted, for example, as a polemic against Rome?[/b]
That’s what they say. We believe that [b] the Bible should be understood literally whenever possible. [/b] The next [b] big event [/b]is the [b] second coming of Christ.[/b] That’s preceded by [b] a number of signs.[/b] And some of those [b] signs [/b]could be [b] stage-setting right now.[/b] They’re not going to come out of nowhere. For example, the Bible predicts when the antichrist comes and sits at his kingdom after [b] the Rapture,[/b] he’s going to have one world economy and one world government and one world religion. We’re already moving rapidly in the direction of those very things.
[/list]
Sounds like there is an awareness of similar vein to what we've been discussing. There appears to be an activation going on and man is beginning to perceive. He mentioned signs, well I think we've been discovering is signs enough.
Something stirring in the heavens? and in the light of the timeline of the signs I think we are in the moment. Surely in relation to the threads of truth!
We must be getting close to something, just in the short time being here I've noticed a difference in the general conversation, like there an up-tempo in awareness and discovery in a personal way.
I think the test period is coming close to the finish. Ah see what happens, but I feel things and realities are becoming more concentrated and intense.
People are proclaiming and there seems to be activation, that's good. Least the body of Christ is gearing up and the message is not exclusive. This is there whole purpose in this sense, for the end times and the message that Jesus provided and demonstrated as he is demonstrating now through expanded consciousness in exploration and discovery.
Well I hope in this time what we've been discovering has helped in to a deeper understanding of the unfolding. Still walking in faith.
Gee! even Newsweek are prepared to run a story like this which mirrors, in essence what we have been discussing. It shows there that there are people out there who are concerned about destiny and willing to support the print of it.
Lets see what's around the corner, see what unfolds in this steady stream of truth discovery.
You know the big sign in Cyprus, representative of the large truth could be the life raft, people might start looking at it or at the truth behind it for the answer which includes major Governments. Deep down in there soul there might be those who may see this as a key, which it is and may let it happen, the unfolding perhaps!
I'm thinking this is a walk between God and man . In that walk, man can find it hard in his faith with what he sees. Because he is sincere, God opens the doors for him to unlock the steady stream of truth in reality in the timeline.
I mean to say, what are we talking, no odds for that, one would have to have real faith to see this regardless. That's the test of man in his persistence which is rewarded with seeing realties that unlocks truth and change.
I'm sure there is real potency in this knowledge and understanding and that's why its is imperative for man to be honest, sincere and truthful who has to share the discoveries. So there is no holding back for gain. I'm sure this allows God to act and to operate in the realities of time and space with man more fully in real unison and conjunction with man, a unification of time/space. In that faith, I feel the mountain can move and things can change.
regards
sevens
Good find Riven,
I liked the following parts, speaks of an island, springs-more than one, nice climate like a garden on an island with springs and more.
quote:
Yet these abodes to Elis I prefer,
No clime to me so sweet, no place so dear.
These springs I Arethusa now possess,
And this my seat, o gracious Goddess, bless:
This island why I love, and why I crost
Such spacious seas to reach Ortygia's coast,
also this part.
Is that Sevens in association with a flood and a hypothesis.
Springs, (Springs on the Acropolis Hill)
Island (Cyprus in my view, submerged island)
Seat (The Acropolis Hill, the location)
Its all related.
quote:
Their routed godheads to the sev'n-mouth'd flood;
Forc'd every God, his fury to escape.
seven mouthed flood, (related to the message, message from the ancients, Sevenfold, seven, the message.)
Flood (part of the message, The Hypothesis)
Fury (judgement, revealed)
Escape (Everyone ran for cover)
this part i liked to
quote:
At this confession Atlas ghastly star'd,
Mindful of what an oracle declar'd,
That the dark womb of Time conceal'd a day,
Which should, disclos'd, the bloomy gold betray:
All should at once be ravish'd from his eyes,
And Jove's own progeny enjoy the prize.
For this, the fruit he loftily immur'd,
Atlas(God)
Oracle (message of the day)
Dark womb of time (the Location, hidden place)
Concealed (hidden)
Disclosed (revealed)
Ravished at once (The conviction, the message comes to light)
Gold betray,(Material things mean nothing)
Own progeny,(Those of faith)
Prize, (prize of faith)
Fruit, (Tree of life and what represents)
quote:
Nor falsly dare thy acts and race to boast.
In vain the heroe for one night entreats,
Is this the another sign of the times, the timeline. I believe its related to those who seek for terror who claim hero ship through false ideas connected to death. Note how this ends suddenly in one night. Are we getting close?
Then you have the Daniel 2 prophecy about the stone cut out of the mountain and that mountain that filled the whole earth.
regards
sevens
[ 08-01-2006, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
Gone mad, totally. You could only hope this is only the last playing itself out with irrational talk. Notice how bizarre its all seeming, like rhetoric gone crazy with out discovery.
Its a worry but I have faith that it will come good. I hope so!
Enforcement, assertion of personal will over others, no respect for the present or the past.
All characteristics of what and whom. Makes you think. What drives him, prophecy?? I suppose that's why its a time for learning and researching for everyone in what's happening and the truth behind it all. Look at the alternative! I'm sure there is no help from Heaven for those who discover terror and use it to manipulate mankind into fear. Like what we saw in Afghanistan some years ago. Is that the alternative!
I know there is much talk of religion and end times but really it is a great possibility when you look at the message today. I'm deeply sure that message we are discovering today, through discovery reflects the right message of the times and the universe, a construct welded together with love for one another and in that we learn and understand each other. I'm sure there will be no room for terrors in the new world.
Anyway I feel its more of a battle of truth and this is the manifestation. I just pray there is no major catastrophe??
Its good what we know, least we can clearly identify truth. I feel the problem and the solution comes from religion itself. Its the true source problem that is leading to this crazy spiritual condition we have here on earth.
regards
sevens
[ 08-01-2006, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
I thought this was interesting.
"Are we in the end times" An article in Newsweek. Look like there are others that are sensing things and seeing signs.
Heres the link
The Newsweek article
I was drawn to the question/answer
- But if the end times are indeed near, why would there be any point in working toward fostering peace?
Right now the Church of Jesus Christ is busy in the spiritual vein of trying to win people to Christ. We’re concerned about the salvation of individual souls. This whole thing has heightened the spirit of evangelism. Wars have always done that. But never have we had a war that is so specifically following the pattern of the scripture.
and this
So the Revelation should not be interpreted, for example, as a polemic against Rome?
That’s what they say. We believe that the Bible should be understood literally whenever possible. The next big event is the second coming of Christ. That’s preceded by a number of signs. And some of those signs could be stage-setting right now. They’re not going to come out of nowhere. For example, the Bible predicts when the antichrist comes and sits at his kingdom after the Rapture, he’s going to have one world economy and one world government and one world religion. We’re already moving rapidly in the direction of those very things.
Sounds like there is an awareness of similar vein to what we've been discussing. There appears to be an activation going on and man is beginning to perceive. He mentioned signs, well I think we've been discovering is signs enough.
Something stirring in the heavens? and in the light of the timeline of the signs I think we are in the moment. Surely in relation to the threads of truth!
We must be getting close to something, just in the short time being here I've noticed a difference in the general conversation, like there an up-tempo in awareness and discovery in a personal way.
I think the test period is coming close to the finish. Ah see what happens, but I feel things and realities are becoming more concentrated and intense.
People are proclaiming and there seems to be activation, that's good. Least the body of Christ is gearing up and the message is not exclusive. This is there whole purpose in this sense, for the end times and the message that Jesus provided and demonstrated as he is demonstrating now through expanded consciousness in exploration and discovery.
Well I hope in this time what we've been discovering has helped in to a deeper understanding of the unfolding. Still walking in faith.
Gee! even Newsweek are prepared to run a story like this which mirrors, in essence what we have been discussing. It shows there are people out there who are concerned about destiny and willing to support the print of it.
Lets see what's around the corner, see what unfolds in this steady stream of truth discovery.
You know the big sign in Cyprus, representative of the large truth could be the life raft, people might start looking at it or at the truth behind it for the answer which includes major Governments. Deep down in there soul there might be those who may see this as a key, which it is and may let it happen, the unfolding perhaps!
I'm thinking this is a walk between God and man . In that walk, man finds it hard in his faith with what he sees but because he is sincere, God opens the doors for him to unlock the steady stream of truth, in reality, in the timeline.
I mean to say, what are we talking about, no odds for that, one would have to have real faith to see this regardless. That's the test of man in his persistence which is rewarded with seeing realties that unlocks truth and change.
I'm sure there is real potency in this knowledge and understanding and that's why its is imperative for man to be honest, sincere and truthful who has to share the discoveries with man. So there is no holding back for whatever motive. I'm sure this allows God to act and to operate in the realities of time and space with man more fully in real unison and conjunction with man, a unification of time/space. In that faith, I feel the mountain can move and things can change.
But with a message that provides hope and happiness in truth not all this other rubbish. gotta be kidding.
regards
sevens
Pretty cool, all reveals the current reality.
quote:
with due rite, the god who moves those lips, and reveal my beloved Delphi and the heavens themselves, and unlock the oracles of that sublime mind. I will speak of mighty matters, not fathomed by earlier greatness, things long hidden. I delight in journeying among the distant stars: I delight in leaving earth and its dull spaces, to ride the clouds; to stand on the shoulders of mighty Atlas,
- due rite ( the right of God)
moves lip (shares the truth)
reveals (reveals the secrets)
Delphi (Reveals the temple, the submerged temple.(
Heavens themselves (revealing all the truth of the past and today.)
Oracles (unlocking the great mystery pf mystery, mind of God)
Mighty matters (matters of truth)
Pretty cool, all reveals the current reality.
not fathomed (not known, kept but when revealed expands truth and the message not understood nor received.)
earlier times (ancient times before known history)
long hidden (long hidden from the past)
delight (its an excellent journey of discovering truth)
distant stars (finding the truth of the stars and its message for today.)
- rapture
leaving the earth (sounds like rapture, the event before the event.)
Sounds like another set of strong parallels to what is happening today with great accuracy and its related around Atlantis/Atlas/God
regards
sevens
[ 08-02-2006, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Ishtar,
How fascinating was that article. Its interesting how the conversation about the End Times seems to be more prevalent. Many people seem to be talking about it, especially in the press, quite surprising.
Maybe there is a quickening going on, note how there are changes happening in our solar system, according to the article. It all seems to be something going within the scenes and does parallel our conversation quite directly especially in relation to our own research.
Time will tell on this one, maybe the planet is about to enter another level of time/space but towards the Absonite?? like a blend of time space mixed in with Absonite/Absolute paradigms. But eternal levels will outstrip time/space through its evolution. If the Solar system is showing changes then the Paradise Trinity must be close or even here. They effect everything physical which does alter when there presence is felt. Just by there presence.
All Puissant energy does come forth from Paradise and does explain the many changes that are occurring on many levels of existence, not just this level of existence, but lock, stock and barrel...all existences.
Anyway food for thought. Personally, I would see all these observations as parts of the major planetary reality playing itself out, I wouldn't be surprised that the scenario of End Times is building its own momentum to the moment and is approaching fast. I'm starting to think that all our personal discoveries are happening allot quicker, more condensed and with fuller meaning.
Its all starting to fall in place and makes sense, its quite logical considering the info attached to this scenario, not to mention the timeline and its markers that we know off.
regards
sevens
[ 08-02-2006, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Brig,
I agree with you on this. The only thing we know is that we are discussing a period where sea levels were very much lower than today, that land along the coasts of almost all continents and island groups was habitable but is now underwater, and that investigation has proved early humans lived in many of these marginal lands. We have no proof of great civilizations from that period and would be premature in naming them if they did exist - except for Atlantis.
General knowledge at the time of Plato did not include the rise of sea levels around the world nor the specific date when this rise occurred. What is compelling is that Plato's written accounts match the date the Celtic Shelf was inundated. The size of the plain described by Plato matches the size of the plain on the Celtic Shelf. The location of Atlantis as facing the district of Gades matches the location of the Celtic Shelf, which is north of Gades.
The people who live along the edges of the Celtic Shelf have lived there since before it sunk. Folklore handed down through the generations speaks of a "land under the waves" and a people who were "gods and not gods". We know these are the descendants of those people because we have DNA evidence to prove it. We know they were "advanced" for their time because we have the evidence in their cave art and their toolkits to prove it.
We are beginning to suspect that they migrated north and south, that some of them may have been responsible for the first civilizations in the Middle East, including the rise of the "Indo-Europeans", but we have yet to discover their origins and why they were so advanced for their time. Until we know the answers to those questions, until we know what lies beneath the waves, we cannot be certain - but generally, if it waddles like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
Briwnys
[ 08-02-2006, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: Briwnys ]
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Don't take me wrong. I agree that at a time of lower ocean levels and probably at the time of Atlantis, there very well could have been civilizations now sunken and forgotten. But these civilizations were not Lemuria or Mu any more than Gotham is New York City. When these civilizations are found they will have their own names and histories. Sevens: Yes Eden existed. The first books of the Bible were written long after the fact. I consider them parables; true in context but not very explicit. When Adam and Eve were driven from the garden, God placed an angel with a flaming sword at the entrance of the garden to prevent Adams return to it. The Bible says nothing about it being submerged in water though I suppose it was, later, during the flood. Could the flaming sword have been a blazing asteroid impact?
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No worries brig, fair enough,
So you dont think Eden was flooded at all or maybe! Ok no worries
About the flooding of Eden try this link
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Bible-Science/PSCF12-97Morton.html
and
http://www.boostdam.net/stories/ShepardVindicated.html
It could shed light on the Deluge of the Eastern Med.
also
Here is a small extract out the book of Adam and Eve that in my mind speak of the Flood of Eden and the destruction of an evil empire. I believe this extract is a direct reference to the location and Atlantis, 4000 years after Adam and Eve.
- In the following, I feel is the Atlantis/Urantia/1st Adam and Eve book connection after the expulsion of Adam from 1st Eden (Cyprus) and information of the people who inhabited the garden after the Adamic expulsion but before the deluge which is also mentioned.
Note: The First garden of Eden (Cyprus) is to the west of the 2nd Garden of Eden (Iraq, East) Adam and Eve are in the second garden. (East of the original garden)
extract
53:6-7 For in this western border, (the location, due west) O Adam, there will go from you a descendant, that shall replenish it; and that will defile themselves with their sins, and with their yielding to the commands of Satan, and by following his works. (The Atlanteans)
7 Therefore will I bring over them the waters (job 28 & 1enoch ) of a flood, and overwhelm them all. (The Deluge of the Eastern Med)
But I will deliver what is left of the righteous among them; and I will bring them to a distant land, and the land in which you live now shall remain desolate and without one inhabitant in it.
(Now we are talking about a race of people that inhabited the Garden in the West and perpetuated their ideals and then a flood comes and overwhelms them, sounds similar to the Atlantis account. Further in the account there is Jesus and his promise bringing Adams descendants (faith believers) back to the garden like in today's reality.
When you think about it further here is what I see.
this western border (Assuming this is written in the 2nd Garden, to the East. The Western border could very mean the Eastern Mediterranean shoreline. In addition we know that the location of Cyprus is submerged of the Eastern Med.)
Adam Reference to Adam, the Beginning of this Paradigm. Remembering the Beginning is the end and the end is the beginning. Selah
a descendant Descendant from Adam or related will go back into the Garden or perhaps partake of the questionable practices of the culture in the garden. I wonder if this the progeny of Cain or related to him??
that shall replenish it; This person builds an Empire where its base is Atlantis. The Cyprus location.
defile themselves Looks like this culture are perverse in there ways. That's mentioned in Enoch for today.
their sins Willingly sinning
yielding to the commands of Satan Submission to the will of Satan and his ways.
by following his works By following his example, his manifesto.
bring over them "Bring over them" sounds like a Tsunami. A match to the Cyprus Hypothesis.
will bring over them a flood, like the filling of the Med Basin. Its a direct reference to The Deluge of the Eastern Med.
of a flood, and overwhelm them all In this section After the Tsunami and the following flood overwhelm the area assumes that flood never receded and sounds consistent to the Cyprus case.
- But I will deliver what is left of the righteous among them;
I will deliver God will warn and save through revealment.
what is left Before the flood God will warn and save the people who were perceptive and listened to the beforehand message of the event.
righteous among them; Those who hear the warning are the righteous, they perceive the message and believe and activate.
will bring them to a distant land, The righteous will evacuated and God himself will save his people before the flood.
land in which you live now Whilst this and the following maybe about Earth changes it also Kind of feels like a message for today for us now, what we read is a direct message for us through the demise of this ancient culture Atlantis that went down in a flood. Its like today with message of the test and we see today and the rediscovery of Eden/Atlantis. What we see today and read in the past is a duality and a message, its a time/space unification of the past and the present and the future. anyway!
shall remain desolate After the earth changes the land we live in will not be recognizable.
without one inhabitant in it. No one left all gone, I suppose because of the earth changes.
This to me this fits in perfectly with the timeline as presented in the scripts, all of them. Not just Bible.
Looks like this saving business has happened many times before. I suppose this time is no different with respect to mans belief and acceptance.
All the best
sevens
[ 08-03-2006, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi Brig,
Just searching it further, if you look at the Book of Noah in this rendition you can read a clear description of the deluge.
The following has my thoughts in between.
- here is a description of the Mediterranean deluge
Enoch 67.4 And they will shut up those Angels, who showed iniquity, in that burning valley, (Eden Valley) which my great-grandfather Enoch had shown to me previously, in the west, (assuming Noah is in Mesopotamia to the east of the 1st Eden location) near the mountains of gold and silver and iron and soft metal and tin. (the location)
67.5 And I saw that valley, (The valley of Eden) in which there was a great disturbance, and a heaving of the waters. (tsunami effect, A Tsunami)
67.6 And when all this happened, from the fiery molten metal, (Volcanic) and the disturbance, (earthquake) which disturbed the waters in that place, a smell of sulphur (volcanic) was produced, and it was associated with those waters. (Water from the Atlantic, from the west) And that valley (valley of Eden) of the Angels (1st Eden), who led men astray, burns under the ground. (submerged)
67.7 And through the valleys of that same area, flow out rivers of fire (personal conviction) where those Angels will be punished, who led astray those on the dry ground.
Sounds like Judgement attached to the "same place"
(The Valley was once on dry ground inferring that the area that is now submerged, destroyed by a Tsunami.) Images of 1st Eden
When you combine both scripts of Adam and Eve and Noah you have the a complete description of who, when and where of the deluge that occurred in the Eastern Med. Also it appears to be a duality of todays message of the Tsunami of the times with respect to this planet. No different in todays times.
more food for thought.
regards
sevens
[ 08-03-2006, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi ideopraxist,
Man that is so good, I really glad your having a great time exploring and discovering new things. No thing nicer than being on the truth path and particularly when you find things that compliments your search.
Its like those pictures that I put together from the creek over here, the way they turned out was incredible. Its amazing that this very creek is where the aboriginals used to hangout during the summer for thousands of years. It was a real spiritual place for them.
It reminds me of a few verses in the Jesus papers of the Essenes.
Its just like this
Through the light of the mind,
Through the light of nature,
And through the study of the Holy Word,
It nice to actually experience this oneness in nature and through revealment.
All the best prax with your search and discoveries.
regards
sevens
Hey ideopraxist,
How is it going, Glad you having a great time finding and exploring, There is nothing nicer than finding a picture that fits, its all very intriguing and brings us all closer to God as he impresses us with his handy work. As we discover this we find him more. What an inspiration, its like your secret place, whilst there is turmoil about, yet you are at peace with your discoveries because you know where it leads as revealed along the journey.
As for me I was going over some old posts looking into the pillars of Heracles or Hercules and I stumbled across this in the Timeaus and Critias
- A description of the Land of Atlantis and the inland sea.
How shall I establish my words? and what part of it can be truly called a remnant of the land that then was? The whole country is only a long promontory extending far into the sea away from the rest of the continent, while the surrounding basin of the sea is everywhere deep in the neighbourhood of the shore.
Whilst one may think straightway ..oh he meant Gilbraltor. I see it differently.
But by reading the above and placing yourself at the location I find it describes the original inland sea that surrounded the Island connected by a peninsula within a basin, exactly what you see at the location.
Here is a link to a 3d images of the inland and the peninsula surrounded by an Inland basin of sea, that was deep. 3d Images of the island and the sea.
I find when you combine this out of the Book of Adam and Eve.
- A description of the culture that inhabited Atlantis after the expulsion of Adam and Eve and before the deluge.
extract
53:6-7 For in this western border, (the location, due west) O Adam, [b] there will go from you a descendant, that shall replenish it; and that will defile themselves with their sins, and with their yielding to the commands of Satan, and by following his works. (The Atlanteans)
7 Therefore will I bring over them the waters (job 28 & 1enoch ) of a flood, and overwhelm them all. (The Deluge of the Eastern Med)
But I will deliver what is left of the righteous among them; and I will bring them to a distant land, and the land in which you live now shall remain desolate and without one inhabitant in it.
(Now we are talking about a race of people that inhabited the Garden in the West and perpetuated their ideals and then a flood comes and overwhelms them, sounds similar to the Atlantis account. Further in the account there is Jesus and his promise bringing Adams descendants (faith believers) back to the garden like in today's reality.
When you think about it further here is what I see.
this western border (Assuming this is written in the 2nd Garden, to the East. The Western border could very well mean the Eastern Mediterranean shoreline. In addition we know that the location of Cyprus is submerged of the Eastern Med.)
Adam Reference to Adam, the Beginning of this Paradigm. Remembering the Beginning is the end and the end is the beginning. Selah
a descendant Descendant from Adam or related will go back into the Garden or perhaps partake of the questionable practices of the culture in the garden. I wonder if this the progeny of Cain or related to him??
that shall replenish it; This person builds an Empire where its base is Atlantis. The Cyprus location.
defile themselves Looks like this culture are perverse in there ways. That's mentioned in Enoch for today.
their sins Willingly sinning
yielding to the commands of Satan Submission to the will of Satan and his ways.
by following his works By following his example, his manifesto.
bring over them "Bring over them" sounds like a Tsunami. A match to the Cyprus Hypothesis.
will bring over them a flood, like the filling of the Med Basin. Its a direct reference to The Deluge of the Eastern Med.
of a flood, and overwhelm them all In this section After the Tsunami and the following flood overwhelm the area assumes that flood never receded and sounds consistent to the Cyprus case.
Then combine it the rendition of the Deluge found in 2nd Enoch here what you get
- here is a description of the Mediterranean deluge
Here is a .wmv video (windows media player) of the Deluge
67.5 And I saw that valley, (The valley of Eden) in which there was a great disturbance, and a heaving of the waters. (tsunami effect, A Tsunami)
67.6 And when all this happened, from the fiery molten metal, (Volcanic) and the disturbance, (earthquake) which disturbed the waters in that place, a smell of sulphur (volcanic) was produced, and it was associated with those waters. (Water from the Atlantic, from the west) And that valley (valley of Eden) of the Angels (1st Eden), who led men astray, burns under the ground. (submerged)
67.7 And through the valleys of that same area, flow out rivers of fire (personal conviction) where those Angels will be punished, who led astray those on the dry ground.
67.5 And I saw that valley, (The valley of Eden) in which there was a great disturbance, and a heaving of the waters. (tsunami effect, A Tsunami)
67.6 And when all this happened, from the fiery molten metal, (Volcanic) and the disturbance, (earthquake) which disturbed the waters in that place, a smell of sulphur (volcanic) was produced, and it was associated with those waters. (Water from the Atlantic, from the west) And that valley (valley of Eden) of the Angels (1st Eden), who led men astray, burns under the ground. (submerged)
67.7 And through the valleys of that same area, flow out rivers of fire (personal conviction) where those Angels will be punished, who led astray those on the dry ground.
Sounds like Judgement attached to the "same place"
(The Valley was once on dry ground inferring that the area that is now submerged, destroyed by a Tsunami.) Images of 1st Eden
Even if you look at extracts out of the Book of Jubilees you see a clear rendition of the Flood of Eden and its purpose as a seal for a future event.
- Jubilees 8:13 "And for Ham came out as the second portion, beyond the Gejon (Nile), toward the south, to the right of the garden, and it proceeds to all the fire mountains, and goes toward the west to the sea of Atil and goes west until it reaches the sea of Mauk the one of which everything descends that is destroyed
In the above we see the general description of the 2 inland seas that were within the Med. In addition the Sea of Mauk is to the West "the one of which everything descends" we see that the Deluge emanated from the West as the flood came from the 2nd Sea from the west to flood the sea of Atil (Atlantis) the Sea of the Gods to the East.
The Pillars of Gilbraltor never existed 34,000 years ago.
Now in verse 23 we see the purpose of the place, the location.
- testified against (them) all. And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation.24 and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it (God) brought the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden; for there he was set as a sign and that he should testify against all the children of men, that he should recount all the 25 deeds of the generations until the day of condemnation. And he burnt the incense of the sanctuary,
note: Sea of Atil and Eden is that a subtle association of Atil/Eden or Atlantis/Eden??
We see in the above that submerged Eden/Atlantis is set as a sign or seal for a future event. Its is related to the flood and the judgment of mankind. The verse directly tells you about the flood, the seal and the judgement or lets say change. It has all the characters and physical markers and is endorsed by the other scripts including Plato.
I mean to say that last piece in Jubilees really tells the whole story and associates itself to Eden and Judgement directly. Its a direct parallel and is inline with our discussions.
There is no where in the world where this conjunction is happening. No where! Except of Cyprus.
I also see the same duality in the above Jubilees as with the excerpt out of Adam and Eve. Its about the same place, the same inhabitants and the purpose for today. But in today's timeline the flood is a spiritual flood first followed by a planetary physical change.
I think when all the information is combined it tells and compliments the Atlantis story as a local Eastern Mediterranean event rather than in the Atlantis beyond the later Pillars of Heracles.
Also Brig here is a direct association of Eden and the flood and its purpose through the scriptures.
all the best
sevens
[ 08-04-2006, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
The great realisation of the sevens
Hi Since no one replies to this thread I suppose the next information will be equally irrelevant for most but anyway, here goes.
In the following are the dates of the Test period as inspired by the 40 days of Jesus in the wilderness and 40 years before the Israelites came into the promised land and excerpts in Ezra as later found (after the proclamation) of a record, written in 40 days with a later record to be released at another time all beforehand of an event. I thought a 40 day test was fitting but it was spontaneous rather than calculated, on the spur as realised....kind of thing. In the latter note the 7 parallel to significant dates and note that there were 3 conjunction in the birth date of Jesus. Like a little key in our timeline.
- The proclamation. 4thJuly 2006
Test completion 14th August 2006
I just realised it was the 4th July independence day that I proclaimed without realising it. Also the test completion date falls on the Seven days before the Urantia Book birth date of Jesus.
August 21, 7 B.C Quite a significant date.
lets look at this again
- The proclamation. 4thJuly 2006 1st week.
Test completion 14th August 2006, 6th week.
Jesus Birth date August 21, 7 B.C. 7th week.
all subject to slight variation but in the general area.
my hearts racing, that is a pattern of sevens 7s that is connected in time/space in a pattern of proclamation and a seven pattern "The Test of man faith" The test completion in complete, On his birthday, the birth of Christ in 7th year BC in a conjunction year, 3 of them of Jupiter and Saturn according JPL.
Here is possibly another clue.
in in the following Enoch extract you have this
- Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,
This could mean in the Seventh week of the new Millennium of Jesus' birthdate August 21st 07 BC
The Seventh week is 1st - 8th is the Seventh week.
Now in relation to the test proclaimed on the 4th july(Independence day!!) to the end of the test is around 14th August,(the 6th week), Then after which we are in the seventh week which I calculate 21st August(jesus birthdaye UB)
after the 21st August we are in the Seventh week and now look at what Enoch says about the Seventh week during its completion.
Afterwards, in the seventh week, the week after Jesus' birth date, in that week, in the period on 21st-28th August 7 days. That would be a seven weeks completion since proclamation of the Test of mans faith and embraces the patterns of Sevens perfectly.
So if I break it down further
Here is another view
- 4th July, test start, 1st week
July 31st-6th August, 4th week
7th-14th August, 5th week 14th (Test completion, 40 days)
14th - 21st August, 6th week
21st-28th August, 7th week (Jesus birth date 21st August) And what may occur maybe a great realisation??
Also there are other sevens phenomena in relation to other birthdates within my own family equally 7 days apart in the 5th month. Its like when I realised this on the cusp of the 5th week. 1, 7, 14(me) three 7s, personal parallel. We've often wandered that. confirmation, maybe, coincidence...its interesting, another little mystery. All these subtle things.
And again note in the seventh week in Enoch.
- In the Seventh week, During its completion,
righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness;
This is not conscious plan, its on the run, the test date 4th July was never planned it just happened but interestingly the beginning of the seven week falls close to Jesus' birthday. amazing, how significant!
Im sure this is the almighty pattern of Paradise in experiential experience of the unfoldment of this.
Its all interesting, I hope you understand all this. To me it makes all sense and is consistent with the pattern and looking at it further its a combination of an on the spur proclamation upon realisation of the test period as prophesied before the event, and the the Seventh week prophesied in Enoch which falls on Jesus' birthday in the Seventh week of the test. Its parallel to the Enoch prophecy, specific for this time/date/timeline in our discussion. It also marries the seven factor, perfect and in harmonisation with this time/space unification.
Its like a birthday present and would be fitting day for an event.
regards
sevens
[ 08-05-2006, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi
That last Piece in Jubliees, in the above is just a massive prophecy on all dimensions, Im realising how big it really is, in context to where we are at, right now.
That's a SUPER JAG. 400 ton+
For me that is big and the duality in time/space is a duality in meaning and events regardless of time space. Even though it reflects in the past it has a duality in discovering it today in the record which has meaning for the destiny of the future...now.
When was this book written? , the Book of Jubilees? How accurate is that in theme and our discussions, the author might as well join this thread.
Importantly note: notice how this all is proclaimed beforehand, until the day. Beforehand. I mean we are talking about the Land of the Gods aren't we!! They are eternal, supernal and sublime. What would one expect when you discover the land of the Gods and combine all there handy work in all the texts and then piece all the evidence together. To find this huge message and the current timeline.
Surely this is a sign, isn't it!! Maybe we should take note of, seems to have all the factors combined. I would think there would be no other sign, to be honest. Just how it combines all knowledge and unifies it to a point in time/space of past, present and future in one reality. Wouldn't that be the pattern of Paradise when you think about it, a unifying event an conjunction of time/space and the Absolute/Absonite.
It must be a revelation of the mystery or the key that allows a higher level of knowledge to become.
I reckon personally that the 7th Mystery or the Mystery of Mysteries is decoded, in essence. The mystery of the Seven Stars is done! I'm bold enough to say that. I think if someone looks into all the research who has more resources could find allot more. But its a path, a small path in the sea of truth and peace. To me it feels like a matter of awaiting the trumpet of the Seventh Angel and the Paradise representatives and it will become in a world revelation.
Ahh! see what happens! But its a good time to be of good tidings and sharing. Now!! would be a great time to be warm. Its not just me saying this but many people now are spreading and proclaiming this message of Good tidings and goodwill amongst your fellow brother.
If feel this is the message, in essence of this place.
some thoughts.
sevens
[ 08-05-2006, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Thanks Elmer, I really appreciate your words of encouragement. I hope its the truth and nothing but with what I'm finding and publishing. I hope it helps mankind in this journey.
However just by judging things, even with the best and the most truthful presentation, it wouldn't make much difference really, you might as well get it over and done with. In the next 16 days or so should be interesting. Even coming down to around the seventh week date around the 21st August following a seven pattern. I did a study on it in the Moses prophecy thread. There are multiple sevens happening here not just what I published. UB birth date of Jesus, 21st August 7BC. Anyway that's what it says. Now everything in the test as I'm realizing is following this sevens thing.
Its a time/space of phenomena of activation and response.
I hope you understand what I'm saying or can relate to it. But then again its good that all is published so you can test it for yourself. That's is good and that I would want.
Elmer I hope you are finding things to.
Hey what do you think of the of the date of proclamation of the test. 4th July Independence Day! I didn't realize that until today, 4th July wow realizing it today, that was not a conscious plan then, all inspired in the moment! How fitting! All in the seven pattern, a good milestone in history to begin from.
Also when you mentioned being whisked away, I've been thinking about that. Just today! I was thinking about it. I thought it would be like going on a long holiday for 3 months (heaven time) totally refreshed and imbibed, and return in the 2 earth days or something. I actually thought that, doing the job and then suddenly I'm gone and others. Lets say it really happens as spoken!! Wouldn't that be interesting!
And then to expand further.
What if that occurred where there is a mass exodus as prophesied and the remaining people suddenly realized that we were speaking the truth and then began this almighty search for the truth and the lost individuals, looking high and low in there search which led them straight back here. A seven circle. he!
Wouldn't that be even more bizarre and all in line with prophecy!! I ask?
Anyway see what happens eh! If there is a choice Elmer, I'm going.
All the best for you in your endeavors and great blessings.
regards
sevens
[ 08-05-2006, 11:24 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Thinking it further based on the information above.
Lets suppose that what has been uncovered in the current timeline is true and correct and it occurs.
Similar to Elmer, I believe a rapture could be in the making.
But lets see what happens, as you see this forum is full of speculation and this another speculation based on research, but in this case we a live situation, a true event brewing. One of which needs real attention.
If this is correct, what I propose occurs in the 7th week. I feel a rapture event could possibly happen as stipulated in revelation. I feel that at the end of the first stage of this process will finish with the rapture, when it says that the elect will be called up to heaven. Two people are present and then suddenly one disappears??
Heaven knows that the current presentation of truth and its parallels is not enough to get mans attention except for the faith sons, they respond. So an event has to occur in order to get mans attention.
I feel this would be reflected by the Father through a revelation and a demonstration or an act, an event, an impression and to endorse the current discovery by his own his faith and love.
So now we enter into stage 2 of the judgment process.
Now in stage stage 2 is the period after the disappearance and before judgement. This is the burning period of mans soul where he realises the truth about everything, en masse planetary. Upon realisation many will repent and show glad tidings and show love towards one another, others will reject completely, a trying time for man. This stage maybe a very short one, like 3 days perhaps, not long as God will not waste time in this 2 stage, it will be swift.
Also in Isaiah, he mentions that in this period a large investigation will be formed to find out the truth of what happened which leads them straight to this kind of information, the Testamony of man. Upon discovery man will research this rapidly and get his house into order, quick smart. Least he a second chance but only the sincere will be considered.
At the conclusion of this second stage
I f feel, The Seventh Angel will call the end of the Seventh/Sevenfold mystery at the beginning of judgment and the holy race and the Elect will come down with the Angels and then the process of final judgment begins, the 3rd and last stage.
The ones that reject the truth completely and who are out right evil will run to the hills as the earth changes occur, the ones that are saved will be evacuated. I think after 3 years they will return to a New earth and heaven which means alterations on that level to.
It appears to be 2 fold stage of mercy, The opportunity offered in these earlier message before the rapture of the elect stage one, then stage 2 the decision time for mankind. Stage two will be the last opportunity, I feel. However I'm not sure in stage 2 because in the bible does speak about people who will ask for mercy and non is given out? Could this be after judgment?
Anyway that's I what I say, its in faith and in truth. But as I think about it and reflect on all our experiences I feel there is definite Paradise pattern in the time timeline that appears to have all the characteristics as described in all the texts.
What a journey of exploration and discovery. There is no mystery like this one.
And what if???? what if? Lets see if it happens! Stupendous. What a Testamony of mans faith in the Gods words, all of them. What a life raft that will become and it will be true and happen.
Its could possibly be around the corner, around the 21st - 28th August, around about that time.
All I say to everyone, be very vigilant, remember good works with a sincere heart and forgiveness will all go along way. Its a test of attitude for mans survival, a test of faith in God.
All the best
regards
sevens
[ 08-05-2006, 10:42 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
So Jesus birthday is on the 21st August 7BC, So in the true timeline so 2006 less 7 years is 1999 in accordance to UB Jesus' birthday. That's is 2000 years exactly. Its like the start of the new year with festivities in the new world, based on this date. The day of change. Probably! Next year in 2007 will be 2000 the new millennium, next year in the new world.
Egyptian Book of the Dead speaks about when God, Ammam comes back in the 21st Pylon/century. In effect this year is the real end of the millennium based on Jesus' birthday.
Just remember the saving attitude in all of this the Jesus message, simple forgiveness for another and glad tidings with good will and acknowledgement of the Father with desire but even half-heartedness is ok to.
food for thought.
all the best
sevens
Going on a hunch,
I did further calculations, but wil contumualy revised but s far.
Looking at the above calculations in accordance to the test proclamation.
- 4th July test proclamation,
48 day interim = 7 weeks = the 7th week is around 15/16th August 06 - 21st/22nd August 06, Enoch pattern in the seventh week = 7 week
21st August Jesus Birthday, the 49th day 7x7 pattern.
However we are one day out and that is taken into account by the extra day in July being the 31st.
Here is the Enoch Seventh Connection
1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,
Now if we break it down into actual dates and weeks from July 4th remembering there an extra day in July being the 31st then we have this which does equal the take into account and equals the the 49 day period
- 4 july -11th
12-18
19-25
26-1st aug
2-8
9-15
16-22th aug, the 7th week period as discussed in... Enoch in the seventh week,...and ..During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation.
I hope this makes it a bit more accurate and does demonstrate the 7 x7 pattern in the time, date, weeks, proclamation, and in prophecy.
Now, if this is right and I'm not just getting carried away, in this period 16-22 aug, we could possibly witness a rapturous event, the beginning of a process of Judgement or some change or something. Its quite possible. Just be alert.
Its all perplexing seeing a pattern like this and wandering if there is something to it , or is it coincidence. We should find out soon.
regards
sevens
[ 08-07-2006, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Jesus Birthdate from the Urantia Book, the 49 day from the 4th July, The test - 21st August 7BC, Jesus birthdate 7x7=49 Seven pattern, in the seven week.
The Jesus birthdate link
- These wise men saw no star to guide them to Bethlehem. The beautiful legend of the star of Bethlehem originated in this way: Jesus was born August 21 at noon, 7 B.C. On May 29, 7 B.C., there occurred an extraordinary conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. And it is a remarkable astronomic fact that similar conjunctions occurred on September 29 and December 5 of the same year.
The conjunction is proven by Jet propulsion Labratory.
food for thought
regards
sevens
[ 08-07-2006, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Jesus Birthdate from the Urantia Book, the 49 day from the 4th July, The test - 21st August 7BC, Jesus birthdate 7x7=49 Seven pattern, in the seven week.
The Jesus birthdate link
- These wise men saw no star to guide them to Bethlehem. The beautiful legend of the star of Bethlehem originated in this way: Jesus was born August 21 at noon, 7 B.C. On May 29, 7 B.C., there occurred an extraordinary conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. And it is a remarkable astronomic fact that similar conjunctions occurred on September 29 and December 5 of the same year.
The 3 conjunctions has been proven by Jet propulsion Labratory.
What else happened in 7 B.C.
7 B.C.
and a message from Enoch
- 7 Walk, my children, in long-suffering, in meekness, honesty, in provocation, in grief, in faith and in truth, in reliance on promises, in illness, in abuse, in wounds, in temptation, in nakedness, in privation, loving one another, till you go out from this age of ills, that you become inheritors of endless time. (The new Epoch.)
2Enoch 66 The Message
8 Blessed are the just who shall escape the great judgment, for they shall shine forth more than the sun sevenfold,
for in this world the seventh part is taken off from all, light, darkness, food, enjoyment, sorrow, paradise, torture, fire, frost, and other things; he put all down in writing, that you might read and understand. (Could this mean that the Sevenfold team is evacuated brfore the event?)
and further evidence from Enoch of change of its theme with some of my own thoughts.
excerpt
1Enoch 66 Another description of the current theme and summing up.
10And as the inflammation of their bodies shall be great, so shall their spirits undergo a change for ever.
11For no word which is uttered before the Lord of spirits shall be in vain.
(This research is no joke and is not a waste of time, This is also repeated in the dead sea scrolls, the Bible and in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, a 3 way parallel. Don't take this to lightly.)
12Judgment has come upon them, because they trusted in their carnal revelry, and denied the Lord of spirits.
13 In those days shall the waters of that valley be changed; for when the angels shall be judged, then shall the heat of those springs of water experience an alteration.rapture?
14And when the angels shall ascend, (Rapture, the first stage) the water of the springs shall again undergo a change, and be frozen. (The knowledge changes) Then I heard holy Michael answering and saying,(Jesus) This judgment, with which the angels shall be judged, shall bear testimony against the kings, the princes, and those who possess the earth. (The testimony being written all beforehand as discovered in the simple search for Eden/Atlantis released, on the go. Before the event. This is the testamony.)
15For these waters of judgment shall be for their healing, and for the death of their bodies.
- But they shall not perceive and believe that the waters will be changed, and become a fire, which shall blaze for ever.
Take big note of that!!!!!
(All the books and The Urantia Book and the Testamony.)
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food for thought
regards
sevens
[ 08-07-2006, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
line 27: John the Baptist was born March 25, 7 B.C., in accordance with the promise that Gabriel made to Elizabeth in June of the previous year. For five months Elizabeth kept secret Gabriel's visitation; and when she told her husband, Zacharias, he was greatly troubled and fully believed her narrative only after he had an unusual dream about six weeks before the birth of John. Excepting the visit of Gabriel to Elizabeth and the dream of Zacharias, there was nothing unusual or supernatural connected with the birth of John the Baptist.
line 133: These wise men saw no star to guide them to Bethlehem. The beautiful legend of the star of Bethlehem originated in this way: Jesus was born August 21 at noon, 7 B.C.
356 days in the year, difference between Jesus' birth and John the Baptist is six months. 178 days, 6 months, in the seventh month begins change
Hi Heres some more.
- Seen beforehand
At the noontide birth of Jesus the seraphim of Urantia, assembled under their directors, did sing anthems of glory over the Bethlehem manger, but these utterances of praise were not heard by human ears. No shepherds nor any other mortal creatures came to pay homage to the babe of Bethlehem until the day of the arrival of certain priests from Ur, who were sent down from Jerusalem by Zacharias.
These priests from Mesopotamia had been told sometime before by a strange religious teacher of their country that he had a dream in which he was informed that "the light of life" was about to appear on earth as a babe and among the Jews. And thither went these three teachers looking for this "light of life." After many weeks of futile search in Jerusalem, they were about to return to Ur when Zacharias met them and disclosed his belief that Jesus was the object of their quest and sent them on to Bethlehem, where they found the babe and left their gifts with Mary, his earth mother. The babe was almost three weeks old at the time of their visit.
Interesting all beforehand as seen from Ur, !!Sevenfold country!! I would say that was the Sevenfold connection directly connected to Jesus in acknowledgement, Sevenfold in ultimacy being connected to Ancients of Days and The Trinity of Paradise. From Ur eh!, strange and religious!
Here is a link to strange and religious.
Strange and religious The UB
Here is the beginninng of a religion inspired by a dream in Ur.
- This founder of a new religion was a virile and adventurous youth, who, on his first pilgrimage to Ur in Mesopotamia, had learned of the traditions of the Caligastia and the Lucifer rebellion--along with many other traditions--all of which had made a strong appeal to his religious nature. Accordingly, as the result of a dream while in Ur, he settled upon a program of returning to his northern home to undertake the remodeling of the religion of his people. He had imbibed the Hebraic idea of a God of justice, the Mosaic concept of divinity. The idea of a supreme God was clear in his mind, and he set down all other gods as devils, consigned them to the ranks of the demons of which he had heard in Mesopotamia.
He had learned of the story of the Seven Master Spirits as the tradition lingered in Ur, and, accordingly, he created a galaxy of seven supreme gods with Ahura-Mazda at its head. These subordinate gods he associated with the idealization of Right Law, Good Thought, Noble Government, Holy Character, Health, and Immortality.
From just a dream and a desire. You know in the ultimate sense Chrsitianity bore out of this mans dream. I know 600BC there was an accumulation of Arch Angels on this planet for 100 year period in that time 5 or 6 world religions began as well as Plato.
then you have the Ur scenario again, it seems to be a very spiritualy and influential place.
- Terah and his whole family were halfhearted converts to the Salem religion, which had been preached in Chaldea; they learned of Melchizedek through the preaching of Ovid, a Phoenician teacher who proclaimed the Salem doctrines in Ur. They left Ur intending to go directly through to Salem, but Nahor, Abraham's brother, not having seen Melchizedek, was lukewarm and persuaded them to tarry at Haran. And it was a long time after they arrived in Palestine before they were willing to destroy all of the household gods they had brought with them; they were slow to give up the many gods of Mesopotamia for the one God of Salem.
the you have this perpetuation and commonality with Mesopotamia and Egypt.
- line 44: 5. Elohim. In Kish and Ur there long persisted Sumerian-Chaldean groups who taught a three-in-one God concept founded on the traditions of the days of Adam and Melchizedek.
This doctrine was carried to Egypt, where this Trinity was worshiped under the name of Elohim, or in the singular as Eloah.
The philosophic circles of Egypt and later Alexandrian teachers of Hebraic extraction taught this unity of pluralistic Gods, and many of Moses' advisers at the time of the exodus believed in this Trinity.
But the concept of the trinitarian Elohim never became a real part of Hebrew theology until after they had come under the political influence of the Babylonians.
and here is more information about Ur and the Salem priests there. Note in the last the message from Ur.
- line 134: The variegated picture of Deity presented in the Book of Job was the product of more than a score of Mesopotamian religious teachers extending over a period of almost three hundred years. And when you read the lofty concept of divinity found in this compilation of Mesopotamian beliefs, you will recognize that it was in the neighborhood of Ur of Chaldea that the idea of a real God was best preserved during the dark days in Palestine.
line 136: Only at Ur did a voice arise to cry out the mercy of God, saying: "He shall pray to God and shall find favor with him and shall see his face with joy, for God will give to man divine righteousness."
Thus from Ur there is preached salvation, divine favor, by faith: "He is gracious to the repentant and says, `Deliver him from going down in the pit, for I have found a ransom.' If any say, `I have sinned and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not,' God will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and he shall see the light." Not since the times of Melchizedek had the Levantine world heard such a ringing and cheering
line 140: message of human salvation as this extraordinary teaching of Elihu, the prophet of Ur and priest of the Salem believers, that is, the remnant of the onetime Melchizedek colony in Mesopotamia.
Here is the Jesus connection to Ur
- line 180: The caravan trip across the desert was not a new experience for these much-traveled men. After Ganid had watched his teacher help with the loading of their twenty camels and observed him volunteer to drive their own animal, he exclaimed, "Teacher, is there anything that you cannot do?"
- Jesus only smiled, saying, "The teacher surely is not without honor in the eyes of a diligent pupil."
And so they set forth for the ancient city of Ur.
Jesus was much interested in the early history of Ur, the birthplace of Abraham, and he was equally fascinated with the ruins and traditions of Susa, so much so that Gonod and Ganid extended their stay in these parts three weeks in order to afford Jesus more time to conduct his investigations and also to provide the better opportunity to persuade him to go back to India with them.
It was at Ur that Ganid had a long talk with Jesus regarding the difference between knowledge, wisdom, and truth. And he was greatly charmed with the saying of the Hebrew wise man:
- "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom. With all your quest for knowledge, get understanding. Exalt wisdom and she will promote you. She will bring you to honor if you will but embrace her."
The Ur Link
food for thought.
regards
sevens
[ 08-09-2006, 07:26 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
And what was happening around 600BC at the time of Plato, here is a glimpse.
- line 111: About six hundred years before the arrival of Michael, it seemed to Melchizedek, long since departed from the flesh, that the purity of his teaching on earth was being unduly jeopardized by general absorption into the older Urantia beliefs. It appeared for a time that his mission as a forerunner of Michael might be in danger of failing.
And in the sixth century before Christ, through an unusual co-ordination of spiritual agencies, not all of which are understood even by the planetary supervisors, Urantia witnessed a most unusual presentation of manifold religious truth. Through the agency of several human teachers the Salem gospel was restated and revitalized, and as it was then presented, much has persisted to the times of this writing.
I feel this one is a very important one that explains much of what is happening.
- The archangel corps of Nebadon is directed by the first-born of this order, and in more recent times a divisional headquarters of the archangels has been maintained on Urantia. It is this unusual fact that soon arrests the attention of extra-Nebadon student visitors. Among their early observations of intrauniverse transactions is the discovery that many ascendant activities of the Brilliant Evening Stars are directed from the capital of a local system, Satania. On
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further examination they discover that certain archangel activities are directed from a small and apparently insignificant inhabited world called Urantia. And then ensues the revelation of Michael's bestowal on Urantia and their immediately quickened interest in you and your lowly sphere.
Do you grasp the significance of the fact that your lowly and confused planet has become a divisional headquarters for the universe administration and direction of certain archangel activities having to do with the Paradise ascension scheme?
(This is a big revelation for me I just discovered this but look at what Ive saying and look in reflection to this.) link
This undoubtedly presages the future concentration of other ascendant activities on the bestowal world of Michael and lends a tremendous and solemn import to the Master's personal promise, "I will come again."
quote:
"I will come again."
Look at that , "I will come again" and this planet is a divisional headquarters for the universal ascension scheme that has all to do with Paradise and the Sevenfold...I was right! and right on track! The whole time, this must be a confirmation and a message that Jesus is coming again. Like he is saying this to us as I discover this in context. In his own words again.
I will come again link The UB
Much food for thought on that one!!
You know when I proclaimed the test I wasnt aware of this in my mind at all. After all these weks and finding much I never expected to find this last. Just to think all our converse upon this subject and to find this direct message and to see my actions reflects perhaps the action of the divisional headquarters of Paradise on Urantia which is all to do wit the ascension/Sevenfold scheme.
Tantalising...."I will come again" Direct message form Jesus himself in light of our conversation.
And sometimes we are visited by representatives of the Central Universe Paradise,
- The Most High Assistants are a group of volunteering beings, of origin outside the local universe, who are temporarily assigned as central and superuniverse representatives to, or observers of, the local creations. Their number varies constantly but is always far up in the millions.
From time to time we thus benefit from the ministry and assistance of such Paradise-origin beings as Perfectors of Wisdom, Divine Counselors, Universal Censors, Inspired Trinity Spirits, Trinitized Sons, Solitary Messengers, supernaphim, seconaphim, tertiaphim, and other gracious ministers, who sojourn with us for the purpose of helping our native personalities in the effort to bring all Nebadon into fuller harmony with the ideas of Orvonton and the ideals of Paradise.
Any of these beings may be voluntarily serving in Nebadon and hence be technically outside our jurisdiction, but when functioning by assignment, such personalities of the super- and central universes are not wholly exempt from the regulations of the local universe of their sojourn, though they continue to function as representatives of the higher universes and to work in accordance with the instructions which constitute their mission in our realm. Their general headquarters is situated in the Salvington sector of the Union of Days, and they operate in Nebadon subject to the oversupervision of this ambassador of the Paradise Trinity. When serving in unattached groups, these personalities from the higher realms are usually self-directing, but when serving on request, they often voluntarily place themselves wholly under the jurisdiction of the supervising directors of the realms of assigned function.
regards
sevens
[ 08-10-2006, 02:55 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Hi I thought this was interesting, its about change on the spritual levels due to realisation and actualisation.
- The reactions and fluctuations of spirit gravity are ever true to the content of spiritual values, the qualitative spiritual status of an individual or a world.
This drawing power is instantly responsive to the inter- and intraspirit values of any universe situation or planetary condition.
Every time a spiritual reality actualizes in the universes, this change necessitates the immediate and instantaneous readjustment of spirit gravity.
Such a new spirit is actually a part of the Second Source and Center;
and just as certainly as mortal man becomes a spiritized being, he will attain the spiritual Son, the center and source of spirit gravity.
Thats interesting to me that kind of says that upon realisation and acuatlisation man experiences a new spirit and spirit gravity which happens instantaneously, change. I feel this happens in the physical through realisation and the right conditions.
I also noticed that this can happen to an individual or to a planet, a world. Lets in our conversation if we are being led through the scriptures and as we discover and realise and actualise in our actions and lets say it the right conditions as for example found in the scripts, could there be a spirit/gravity response as a result that happens in an instant that could affect the planet?? I just wonder about that in context to what we are talking about, an actualisation in response could occur!!
I was thinking with in relation to the second coming. In essence does man actualy initiate the second coming through his own realisation and search, For example, man realises, actualises, the right conditions and the spirit responds to a new spirit gravity inaccordance to mans realisation. something like that.
Here is a little more about Epochal change in relation to our planet.
- When such an era is attained on your world, no doubt Machiventa Melchizedek, now the vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, will occupy the seat of the Planetary Sovereign;
and it has long been conjectured on Jerusem that he will be accompanied by a son and daughter of the Urantia Adam and Eve who are now held on Edentia as wards of the Most Highs of Norlatiadek.
These children of Adam might so serve on Urantia in association with the Melchizedek-Sovereign since they were deprived of procreative powers almost 37,000 years ago at the time they gave up their material bodies on Urantia in preparation for transit to Edentia.
link
How interesting is that. This is also in the Dead Sea Scrolls as described as the Holy race and they will descend at the conclusion of judgment.
regards
sevens
[ 08-10-2006, 04:40 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Here is one from Jesus directly about this time and note the "all beforehand"
- "And now, as I am about to leave you, I would speak words of comfort. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. I make these gifts not as the world gives--by measure--I give each of you all you will receive.
Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful. I have overcome the world, and in me you shall all triumph through faith. I have warned you that the Son of Man will be killed, but I assure you I will come back before I go to the Father, even though it be for only a little while. And after I have ascended to the Father, I will surely send the new teacher to be with you and to abide in your very hearts. And when you see all this come to pass, be not dismayed, but rather believe, inasmuch as you knew it all beforehand.
I have loved you with a great affection, and I would not leave you, but it is the Father's will. My hour has come.
All beforehand link All beforehand link
and here is another excerpt on instruction about expression of this truth. I thought it was relevant.
- Always respect the personality of man. Never should a righteous cause be promoted by force; spiritual victories can be won only by spiritual power. This injunction against the employment of material influences refers to psychic force as well as to physical force. Overpowering arguments and mental superiority are not to be employed to coerce men and women into the kingdom. Man's mind is not to be crushed by the mere weight of logic or overawed by shrewd eloquence.
While emotion as a factor in human decisions cannot be wholly eliminated, it should not be directly appealed to in the teachings of those who would advance the cause of the kingdom.
Make your appeals directly to the divine spirit that dwells within the minds of men. Do not appeal to fear, pity, or mere sentiment. In appealing to men, be fair; exercise self-control and exhibit due restraint; show proper respect for the personalities of your pupils.
Remember that I have said: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, and if any man will open, I will come in."
here ia another about Jesus
There was one feature of the bestowal of Michael which was utterly foreign to the Jewish conception of the Messiah, and that was the union of the two natures, the human and the divine. The Jews had variously conceived of the Messiah as perfected human, superhuman, and even as divine, but they never entertained the concept of the union of the human and the divine. And this was the great stumbling block of Jesus' early disciples.
They grasped the human concept of the Messiah as the son of David, as presented by the earlier prophets; as the Son of Man, the superhuman idea of Daniel and some of the later prophets; and even as the Son of God, as depicted by the author of the Book of Enoch and by certain of his contemporaries; but never had they for a single moment entertained the true concept of the union in one earth personality of the two natures, the human and the divine.
The incarnation of the Creator in the form of the creature had not been revealed beforehand. It was revealed only in Jesus; the world knew nothing of such things until the Creator Son was made flesh and dwelt among the mortals of the realm.
To me that was advice.
regards
sevens
[ 08-10-2006, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
here is another Gem about beforehand.
Beforehand and the adjuster
- 3. Has a subject who has made the supreme decision, has entered into a solemn and sincere betrothal with the Adjuster. The Adjuster looks beforehand to the time of actual fusion and reckons the union as an event of fact.
her is some more
same time innately harmonious. In the seven superuniverses, however, there is great divergence; there is a wide gulf between cosmic energy and divine spirit; therefore is there a greater experiential potential for mind action in harmonizing and eventually unifying physical pattern with spiritual purposes.
In the time-evolving universes of space there is greater divinity attenuation, more difficult problems to be solved, and larger opportunity to acquire experience in their solution. And this entire superuniverse situation brings into being a larger arena of evolutionary existence in which the possibility of cosmic experience is made available alike to creature and Creator--even to Supreme Deity.
Link
here is some more on unifying
In the evolutionary superuniverses energy-matter is dominant except in personality, where spirit through the mediation of mind is struggling for the mastery.
The goal of the evolutionary universes is the subjugation of energy-matter by mind, the co-ordination of mind with spirit, and all of this by virtue of the creative and unifying presence of personality.
Thus, in relation to personality, do physical systems become subordinate; mind systems, co-ordinate; and spirit systems, directive.
The Unifying effect of mind and spirit
That was interesting a cordination of creative and many other things.
regards
sevens
[ 08-10-2006, 06:30 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
quote:
Revealed religion is the unifying element of human existence. Revelation unifies history, co-ordinates geology, astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, sociology, and psychology. Spiritual experience is the real soul of man's cosmos.
- The Supreme Being is not a direct creator, except that he is the father of Majeston, but he is a synthetic co-ordinator of all creature-Creator universe activities. The Supreme Being, now actualizing in the evolutionary universes, is the Deity correlator and synthesizer of time-space divinity, of triune Paradise Deity in experiential association with the Supreme Creators of time and space.
When finally actualized, this evolutionary Deity will constitute the eternal fusion of the finite and the infinite—the everlasting and indissoluble union of experiential power and spirit personality.
says it all, all unifying.
These are lessons on how to be a creator. Exactly. In the latter are all the key elements, we are being taught the fundamentals of creation. Its like our education begins now becuase let me say that our future is related directly to the administration of the new worlds beyond. Like time/space worlds came into being in a instant so will the new worlds of the absonite perhaps.
or here another
- Some of the amazingly fortuitous conditions occasionally prevailing on the evolutionary worlds may be due to the gradually emerging presence of the Supreme, the foretasting of his future universe activities.
Most of what a mortal would call providential is not; his judgment of such matters is very handicapped by lack of farsighted vision into the true meanings of the circumstances of life.
Much of what a mortal would call good luck might really be bad luck; the smile of fortune that bestows unearned leisure and undeserved wealth may be the greatest of human afflictions;
the apparent cruelty of a perverse fate that heaps tribulation upon some suffering mortal may in reality be the tempering fire that is transmuting the soft iron of immature personality into the tempered steel of real character.
another
No one knows how long these twenty-four Urantia counselors will continue in their present status, detached from the regular program of universe activities.
They will no doubt continue to serve in their present capacities until some change in planetary status ensues, such as the end of a dispensation, the assumption of full authority by Machiventa Melchizedek, the final adjudication of the Lucifer rebellion, or the reappearance of Michael on the world of his final bestowal.
The present resident governor general of Urantia seems inclined to the opinion that all but Machiventa may be released for Paradise ascension the moment the system of Satania is restored to the constellation circuits. But other opinions are also current.
link
regards
sevens
[ 08-11-2006, 08:04 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
For sure Ideo, I totaly aggree, I sure do hope they get out there soon on top of the location. Regardless of war, however I do sense that there is extra momentum as man becomes concious of this discovery and through sheer collective desire to discover, man will make this happen. In that I have faith in man, that when he finds truth he locks on and doesnt let go and researches.
i was so encouraged by Hoagland I hope that gives the project a good boost. Lets see what inspired souls can do in this one. Somehow I feel this will get support even from governments quietly. I reckon man is desperately trying to find the answer before it becomes a runaway situation and you know what, you and I are involved in the answer just through our trailblazing research.
Thats makes a big difference as man becomes concious of the fact. If its true, my personal hypothesis about this whole adventure including the test and my calculations Heaven would have to respond if heaven is part of the mystery. Else it would of been hot air and a loss of credibility. So that the test for me, head on the chopping block in what I say.
However God forbide I appear to be tempting the spirits, no way but If Im finding this and interpreting with a honest heart using all the information and if its right, then there would have to be a response from heaven, going by faith and that is the test.
Anyway, dont mind me getting carried away again.
all the best
sevens
[ 08-11-2006, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
You know ideo,
Even heaven doesn't even know the exact moment because the last piece of the key is the Paradise response which is exclusive to The Father. When I mean the Sevenfold response or call I mean the seventh Angel in Revelation in the Seventh week in Enoch. The call and the selection. I suppose in the world of the heaven its like everyone is in a ready state of activation but no one knows the time of the call. But the conditions have appear to be ripe and be consistent to what was foreseen some thousands of years ago by the prophets of old. How appropriate is that the big mystery, unlocked by the words of the ancients, the Sevenfold. There words today still ring loud as they saw outside of space/time of this event then. Such honour for them, for there words to be used in bringing this puzzle together today. As if they were alive today and present for the special occasion, Like the Jedi all present in the halls of the Gods.
Like a whole universe coming alive at the sound of the call from Paradise, a response. And now could be the time. A spontaneous moment that rivets through the universe in a flash that rips the time/space fabric with infinity, like the ripped curtain in the temple upon the death of Jesus. Something related to that.
Its happens in a moment and what occurs is a realisation a personal conviction, unfortunately they are the fires of that valley which Enoch speaks about, I reckon. But honestly if man had to awake to a message it would have to be done in a way that man would notice. I suppose. But not in a destructive way, no way man. But in a discovery or exploration or something on a revelatory way that is open for all man to discover for himself in truth. In beautiful sublime and splendid way that would appeal to the spirit of man. But I must there is also a sever message for insincerity and evil and the perpetuation of it, like terrorism, wilful murder and unrepentant. Things that should be put on the altar and taken out of man.
Anyway just some thoughts. I know its not about the book but it could be related to the location.
All the best Ideo
regards
sevens
[ 08-11-2006, 09:01 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
I thought this was interesting,
- Luke 5:36 (Read all of Luke 5)
And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
and
- Genesis 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. 24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: (The originator of the Sethite priesthood)[9] For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: [10] then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
Enos was the first generation of the Sethite priesthood.
then we have Enoch
- 21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: [5] 22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. (translation), Fusion of the personality and the thought adjuster, as one.
Is this the Enoch related to the Book of Enoch and its relevance of today?
But what the Sevenfold tie in with Lamech, the Father of Noah. Could we compare The Noah story in todays times regarding the second coming? I would say it would some relevance. Look at the age of Lamech when he died.
- 28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: 29 And he called his name Noah, [7] saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. 30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: 31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died
So thats Sevenfold and 777 years associated with The length of Lamechs life. Seems like a Sevenfold link there somewhere. Some parallel part of a larger connection. Looking at it further in todays terms could it mean, Sevenfold the Father/Author of change as represented as change. Faith sons the Noahs of todays forcoming change. The you have Cain, Sevenfold, the Lamech 70 X sevenfold. Like a larger Sevenfold scenario that is that part the 7 pattern which is related to todays climate.
Remebering this is an ancient mystery and there is only one scenario that will fulfill the mystery.
- Judges 14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? and what is stronger than a lion? And he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle.
