Tablet 9

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject:  

Woman in red fails to thaw Iran-US relations

Hopes of the highest-level direct talks between Iran and the US since the foes broke off ties in 1980 soured when Mottaki walked out of a dinner attended by Rice Thursday. Mottaki claimed he was offended by the revealing red dress the venue's Russian violinist was wearing.

Looks like that was a lost opportunity. I'm sure everyone worked hard to bring about some breakthroughs but failed in the end.

Isn't that interesting that a woman in red, a completely unforeseen thing disrupted the meeting.

The woman in red that broke the potential of the meeting.

Oh well see what happens next, but I do hope positive happens somewhere. I do see this as a set back. If they pursue the path of pride, prejudice and arrogance I don't think much will happen for them and more than likely will have consequences. Maybe! I don't know! but see how it plays out.

But im not optimistic considering the latest rhetoric. The seems to be 2 powers in Iran, like a government with 2 personalities at opposing ends.

You know! A woman in Red playing a violin frightened of the great man from Iran. unbelievable!

Why could he just simply close his mind of and think about something else and look somewhere else but not in an obvious way! Honestly!



PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject:   

You know I think if this endeavour fails to the ancient places and its use to bring about right attitudes and thinking in the highest places where there is trouble then I don't think there is to many alternatives to break the attitude except for some severe response from Paradise.

I personally think the attitude of the US was quite ok in this matter to bring about dialogue. I feel there was a shift in Tehran, something else shift back to the rhetoric. If they did contemplate the ancient places and its message, it was short lived.

What else would work? I don't think not to much.

Anyone got any other ideas? in the current situation?

What can the Angels do if man does not respond or even click on! Angels can force the will of man to do what they want, he can be persuaded through evidence on all levels but not forced.

If Iran does a turn about face from positive dialogue then it looks bleak sorry to say.

With positive and forward dialogue I can see many blessings for the people in Iran and for the world. Im afraid the leadership is perhaps in past thinking in a pride filled attitude.

I think they have to do better and begin to participate with the view of peace and prosperity the right thing to for the people. I mean to say there is truth in there hands given as a gift for them to discover themselves a gift that could be given to the world through the knowledge of the places and the journey and discovery.

Its an ideal mystery to enlightenment that offends no one as all books have fragments of this mystery which comes together in the final image in the final reality of the greatest find ever..."The Seven commands" and the truth behind it. How uplifting is that for man!

The stage is set, all eyes of the universe are on this planet, All inhabited and stabilised planets are on the ringside of this current awakening even up to Paradise. But then the final reality is held up of because of the stubbornness and politics of a few that fail to see or even want to see the truth.

man o man where to now.


PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:19 pm    Post subject:

"The Seven commands in two languages from two Epochs from two submerged cities discovered in one night"

I was contemplating this excerpt from the above.

If that eventuated that would be completely amazing. A double exposure of truth and the message of the Seven commands. I think it also has connection to double diamond symbol found in on the plug in the shaft of the great Pyramid. A double truth or double exposure! Like a parallel! The same thing is discovered, the same truth but in different locations. Two of the same truth! or its one in the same but from 2 places, 2 Epochs.


Paper 66 Urantia Book
Among the later students trained in Mesopotamia for work with their respective races were Andonites from the highlands of western India together with representatives of the red men and the blue men; still later a small number of the yellow race were also received.

 Hap presented the early races with a moral law. This code was known as "The Father's Way" and consisted of the following seven commands:


1. You shall not fear nor serve any God but the Father of all.

2. You shall not disobey the Father's Son, the world's ruler, nor show disrespect to his superhuman associates.

3. You shall not speak a lie when called before the judges of the people.

4. You shall not kill men, women, or children.

5. You shall not steal your neighbor's goods or cattle.

6. You shall not touch your friend's wife.

7. You shall not show disrespect to your parents or to the elders of the tribe.

(Here is the clue to where they lay, heaven telling us where they are.)

This was the law of Dalamatia for almost three hundred thousand years. And many of the stones on which this law was inscribed now lie beneath the waters off the shores of Mesopotamia and Persia. It became the custom to hold one of these commands in mind for each day of the week, using it for salutations and mealtime thanksgiving.

AS you can see the stones lay in two cities, from two epochs in two languages. Its really the test of all things and God is proving himself to mankind once and for all that he exists and is completely involved with all mankind. Done through this demonstration and many others. But I feel the discovery of the Seven commands and the all the books pertaining to it, layed out on the table are being tested and refined.


PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject:

Hey Coop

How is it going? well I hope.


This is a universal event concerning the ancient places and It finalises the Lucifer rebellion once and for all. He would be here concerning these things of universal importance.

You're right, I think I was questioning whether Jesus was involved in this whole thing but I may have mis-wrote it where it looked I was speaking about Lucifer. You're right Lucifer is in Jail and will never come to this planet ever and Caligastia is on the way out never to return....Big Hooray for that one!!!!!

Between all the rebellious sons they have made a great mess with this planet.

Also another area where I think Caligastia is working is Global food control through Monsanto! Gee I saw this documentary about Monsanto and what there true motives are.

Total planetary food control throughout the whole process.

That's it in a nutshell. I say what an evil Trans corporation Monsanto is particularly when there motives are all out in the open.

That's there motive GLOBAL FOOD CONTROL THROUGH OUT THE WHOLE PROCESS that certainly sounds like the product of Caligastia nefarious schemes running along the lines of assertiveness and total domination.

Bloody evil crap that evil people in the motives have to put us through, to serve there own utter selfishness and lust for control and power combined with Ego!

And off course the Government are in there pockets.

Its the same ole story, government and Monsanto (the dark front) doing deals for money and support yet compromising mankind's existence and destiny through faulty genetics.

Genetics for a buck!

Not to mention the stand over tactics on Farmers who use there products Also Monsanto are in the untouchable status. They appear to be apart of the hidden and untouchable government with there agenda.

Monsanto is the genetically rotten and have shown more destruction to the individual and society than anything else.

Its just bloody evil now they are after total dominance over alfalfa industry no doubt worldwide.

Anyway the following sounds like a far better and safer option. The most simplest without all the genetics. Organic growing and free energy and right thinking would save the world.

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An interesting connection of the above triangle/circle crop circle to the Triangle Symbol with the circle within found on the plug in the shaft of the great Pyramid.

The triangle/circle symbol found in the plug of the shaft in the great Pyramid.

Note the faint semi circles behind the triangle symbol on the plug, similar to the patterned circles in the above crop circle.

and again you have the circular foundations of Babel

or another view of Babel


Here is a Urantia Book exceprt about Imhotep, the Andite who built the great pyramid. The Andite is a admixation of Adamsoites, Adamites and Nodites.

The Urantia Book Paper 80

From the times of the terminal Andite migrations, culture declined in the Euphrates valley, and the immediate center of civilization shifted to the valley of the Nile. Egypt became the successor of Mesopotamia as the headquarters of the most advanced group on earth.

The Nile valley began to suffer from floods shortly before the Mesopotamian valleys but fared much better. This early setback was more than compensated by the continuing stream of Andite immigrants, so that the culture of Egypt, though really derived from the Euphrates region, seemed to forge ahead. But in 5000 B.C., during the flood period in Mesopotamia, there were seven distinct groups of human beings in Egypt; all of them, save one, came from Mesopotamia.

When the last exodus from the Euphrates valley occurred, Egypt was fortunate in gaining so many of the most skillful artists and artisans. These Andite artisans found themselves quite at home in that they were thoroughly familiar with river life, its floods, irrigations, and dry seasons. They enjoyed the sheltered position of the Nile valley; they were there much less subject to hostile raids and attacks than along the Euphrates. And they added greatly to the metalworking skill of the Egyptians. Here they worked iron ores coming from Mount Sinai instead of from the Black Sea regions.

The Egyptians very early assembled their municipal deities into an elaborate national system of gods. They developed an extensive theology and had an equally extensive but burdensome priesthood. Several different leaders sought to revive the remnants of the early religious teachings of the Sethites, but these endeavors were short-lived. The Andites built the first stone structures in Egypt. The first and most exquisite of the stone pyramids was erected by Imhotep, an Andite architectural genius, while serving as prime minister. Previous buildings had been constructed of brick, and while many stone structures had been erected in different parts of the world, this was the first in Egypt. But the art of building steadily declined from the days of this great architect.

This brilliant epoch of culture was cut short by internal warfare along the Nile, and the country was soon overrun, as Mesopotamia had been, by the inferior tribes from inhospitable Arabia and by the blacks from the south. As a result, social progress steadily declined for more than five hundred years

As you can see there is a relationship of the symbolism and the builder of the Great Pyramid, Imhotep. The connecting Symbolism came from Babel in Dilmun, the land of the Andites. Plus you have the Alien crop circle symbolism. The one in the same symbol.

Certainly adds an extra terrestrial view into the great mystery. Even the Aliens are on to it ahahahahaha!

Very interesting!

Hey I just found this crop circle

How bizarre, same symbol

And this one reminds me of the Galaxy clock

Part 1

Part 2


PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject:


Hey thanks everyone for your suggestions and encouragement in the idea. Its funny the idea has been in my mind for a while but recently its been coming into my mind more so. Its when I saw brother Dave's post I was immediately quickened in my heart with those T-shirt thoughts.

However, I still feel in my heart a little perplexed when remember Jesus in the temple throwing out the money changers for despoiling the ideals of the father. Also in some script somewhere, it eludes that the final mystery in presented with out reward.

If this research is right on the money, would I be skirting the line by selling merchandise. I don't want to spoil anything.

Then again I walk in faith like the next guy and there is a reason why I have been thinking in this direction. Its not thoughts of grandeur or money but more of excitement in telling and sharing with the whole world the great mystery on the run. A t-shirt would certainly stimulate thinking and perhaps conversation.

A T-shirt pertaining to the ancient places would be an excellent talking point that would provide a solid base and would lead directly to the UB.

Plus it would involve people in the on the run mystery that leads to the Father. I would say its a point of proclamation, a test of faith considering we have to go out there first and physically find things. It also involves all religions as they behold fragments of this journey in their books, that's the best part, it can identified where people of different religions can relate to it. It part of the refining and expansion of religion.

What about some captions you could have on the T-shirt.

The Ensign "The test of man" or "The final mystery" or "The great mystery" or [b]"All that is hidden shall be revealed" [/b]I like that "Son of man" caption.

The Badge on the right breast with the Sevenfold marker with

"All that is hidden shall be revealed"
and a web address

People would be saying there goes the man of great mystery ahahahaahaahaa!

I reckon people would actually approach people wearing the T-shirt and ask questions.

Its a walking witness to the father and points indirectly to the UB through the ancient mystery and people can go to the web address and seek the truth through the journey.

It also thrusts the "The Quest for the Seven commands" to the foreground.

Just the prospect and thoughts of the whole thing makes me feel quite inspired about the whole idea.

If people want to support the research buy a t-shirt and eventually other merchandise, if one likes. It could be that intriguing and interesting that it could fund an expedition or part thereof. I think there would be enough pathways in caption form on the t-shirt that would inspire man and where he may buy a t-shirt to support the journey!

What a journey it could be for the individual through the t-shirt in a personal way leading to the Father of Heaven.

In the next couple of weeks Ill design a badge and go through the process and see how it looks. Take some photos where can people can make suggestions and perhaps improve the look or idea.

It could be part of the plan where we go in faith. Its all for the Father and mankind.

When we are happy with the design and I get some supply, run it through ebay/paypal as a tester and see how it develops. If there is a demand then it could be licensed to a t-shirt company who can supply a country and help support the journey.

It could be interesting and would give opportunity for angels to do there work with people.

Thanks majeston for your encouragement in the idea III work on it more and also thanks Dave for your support with the idea.

What you raised brother Dave really quickened me and you are right there is no UB merchandise at all. I would love to have a cool bumper sticker or a jacket with a cool ensign.

Maybe we can all create something and add to the merchandise idea. Perhaps the symbolism of the Father in heaven can be expressed in this way that leads to something solid, measurable and very real

Maybe all our thoughts is a good path and part of the direction of the Father. We can only go on faith.

For me, if something like this took off I would be really excited and happy where my energy levels would soar like on the wings of an eagle.

right on!! Glory to the Father in the kingdom of Heaven for all these great blessings.

(By they way sorry for the spelling mistakes on the first take of this post. Too early in the morning.)


Hey Dave

Thank you brother you your kind support. I think you raised a very important point and I totally agree with you and have the same desire to see some UB merchandise. Even bumper stickers and all sorts of things. Even beer can holders ahahahah just joking.

I beauty about it. Is that anyone can make a design on a shirt and iron it on and we are free to do that in our glorification of the Father.

As for me I would like to stick to theme of the ancient places as I feel its part of the final mystery of man and I think there countless pathways that can lead and be utilized to arouse peoples thinking.

In my mind anyone who buys a sevenfold t-shirt is part of the Sevenfold team Urantia. Mind you there is only one member!

But I thought if enough people have the same conviction of truth and support the venture, the reality of the expedition to the places may manifest quicker.

Not that I'm forcing heaven but it usually goes this way for me in this journey. I tend to be lead into different pathways that have connection to each other.

I happily go along the fragment not forcing anything then it happens I find things and know instantly that its viable then other connections that I know come in my mind. Real evolutional/revelation using the parallel technique. It happens in a certain frequency of constant discovery that gives you energy and vigor to explore more. Its just beautiful and makes feel good despite all the pressure I'm under from the material world.

Its a very interesting learning experience in how the angels and the Father keep on feeding me when my mind is open to be led.

I thought I would share that with you as I think what you raised sparked inspired thoughts for the whole day. I reckon the merchandise idea is a good direction and pathway.

All the best brother Dave and great blessings for you and all the people in your world.


PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject:

Is this the confirmation of where the final saga and judgement will happen?


I was looking around last night and I found his intruiging piece that pretty well sums up the whole journey and the conviction of truth wrapped around the ancient places.


Prophet Isa (Jesus) Peace be upon him (Jesus son of Mary peace be upon them)
will descend before the key battle and kill Dajjal at Bab-e-Ludd (Gate of Ludd). ...

Doesnt that really sum up the whole journey and what has been proclaimed about these places.

Here are common words I see in the above quote.

Bab-e-Ludd, Bab-e-L or Bablod, Bablud, Note they are the gates of Ludd or the gates of Babel or at the temple of Bablod, Bablud, Bablod, Bablot.

Its all the same name.

This could be a major confirmation for the research including all things in the Books.

A Quranic connection, I should send this to Iran so they follow the path of peace more fully than they are at this time.

Anyway, I thought was a major find for the research and in my heart it confirms much of the path.

Its a straight forward piece, not much to interpret as it tells directly and we know what Bab-e-Ludd means.

Or BabeLudd, Babelod, Bablod, Bablot, Babel. Thats where change and final adjudication might very well occur. This maybe the confirmation!!!!!

What a journey Eh!

Everyday there is something to uncover.

Anyway Im out of here for a week so all the best everyone.


New Babel Gallery

Babel Gallery


Professor Richard Dawkins
My name is Dennis de Jong an individual religionist researcher of all world religions in relation to the  ancient submerged places.  The reason I am writing is that tonight I just saw Part 1 of COMPASS: ROOT OF ALL EVIL? documentary refuting religion.

COMPASS: ROOT OF ALL EVIL? Part One The God Delusion
Sunday 20 May at 21:30

I must say I was very impressed with the documentary, whilst I do believe in the creator I also feel that an agree with you whole heartedly that its through the path of evolution.
I believe that its both and its through division of dogma and doctrine that separates man from the truth.
In reply to you presentation I would like to propose a test for all mankind, "The Quest for the Seven commands"  The test of all faith as proposed by myself that I believe will settle the question of the existence of God that embraces your ideas and what you see.
Here is my website of accumulated research in my personal journey to the ancient places, The lost cities of Dalamatia and the foundations of Babel in the lost city of Dilmun.  Both cities are in Iranian waters.
I would very like to be involved in this search for truth to settle the question of whether Gods exists.  I believe the "Quest for the Seven commands"  The first moral codes given to man in the first places of his of existence.  I am currently formulating an expedition to the area with state of the art equipment to explore these 2 locations I discovered on September the 16-17th2006 at 12.00.
Very soon I would like to do a dive out there and verify the places and the discovery a 2 sets of stone tablets with inscribed texts of the seven commands found in each city that represents 2 very ancient cultures and two Separate Epochs, the first and second Epochs of mans civilised existence.
I believe that this discovery of this would highlight The Urantia Book as an upstep to religion in the way of revealed religion through a Book, a mystery and a revealment of truth in the discovery of the ancient places.  I invite you to become part of the journey that I believe an be a suitable answer to the existence of God that embraces fragments embedded in all the books of religion that forms a final picture or image .  When the all pieces are brought, combined and interpreted or pieced together the final image represents the timeline that we are in right now.
I would like to demonstrate this.  If verified according to the test of mankind and religion there will be exchange of all knowledge throughout the planet on all levels, this represents a possible age of enlightenment through the discovery of our origins with the verification of science embracing evolution.
There is no research like this on the Planet, its completely unique and cutting edge.  From my point of view, it is a perfected argument and cannot be broken.  Its is part of the SevenFold Truth and is an operation that represent Paradise and its presence of Earth.  Essentially they are in town and would like to reveal themselves through truth, beauty and goodness in discovery of there first commands.  The Seven Commands.
I have documented the whole process from the beginning on a search that began 14 years ago that took to me to 1st Eden of Cyprus and then which led me to the other ancient places in the Persian Gulf.  I propose to produce of documentary about the journey from the beginning and the process and key points of discovery that led to the places, which will lead to expedition and the test of faith of the discovery of the Seven commands. 
Its a real test where we can exchange our views as we go through discovery and expedition and then where it leads.
A real live action journey for mankind.
A collaboration of all faiths as a witness to a final moment of discovery.  This could include a representative of Islam and of all faiths including Christianity and its various sects and including free masonry.  They will all be a witness to truth by there representatives in the discovery and viewing of the Seven commands and the site of Dalamatia and Babel and its respective Seven commands stone tablets.  They we also know the journey to the ancient places.  This will ensure that there is no excuses and all are a witness from all levels and opposing fronts. 
I strongly believe this will resolve the terrorist movement and bring peace to the nations of the middle east through an upstep of religion that will be acknowledged by the leaders of all faiths and governments.  This could be the balm for the healing of nations.
Anyway, have a think about it, go through my research and let me know what you think.
Dennis de Jong
Sevenfold team


Here are my latest thoughts through the images

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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


3 days ago I saw this documentary and I thought it would be perfect for an expedition and discovery of the ancient places Dalamatia, Dilmun/Babel.

I tried to contact Peter Robbins but so far have been unsuccessful.

Its interesting the timing??

I think this would be perfect and to me the timing and the path feels right.

We have the locations, we have the information and we have the perfect viechle.

This underwater dream machine would be perfect for a discovery and enables all the religious leaders to view the ancient foundations for themselves including the Seven commands.

The should be no excuse for all religious forms to investigate this as it is measurable and directly leads to the new revelation.

Its like God, man, his religion and science all in the yellow submarine together for a discovery of truth, demonstration and a comfortable view of there origins directly.


PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject:

Hi J Watkins

I just saw your post. I think its very intriguing.  I'm not sure where we at to be honest. The only thing that I was told that The UB came in early. If that is true then I feel it was brought in to prepare and initiate change through the inspiration it offers the student through knowledge and the experiential aspects of knowledge.

In my heart I feel we are heading towards transition I think we are in, the between time of the official proclamation of the new epoch. If Im correct with my research to the ancient foundations I think we are very close and I feel transition has all to do with the foundations and the prophecies attached.

I think the UB kicked of the transition which is still happening.


Hi Colter

I really enjoyed your post. I can really identify to what you posted and I think we are in the moment or process. It seems to be obvious! I feel that great enlightenment will come from the ancient places and other discoveries.

I suppose it really depends on what's there and well preserved it all is??

Its a point where one really rely on heaven in its outcome. As far as I'm concerned this whole revealment represents a fantastic opportunity for heaven and its voice to be heard and witnessed.

all the best


How is it going? Thanks for the email, I appreciate it

When you ask

[quote]Well, I have been a great fan of Cayce's for about 40 years and I am
also an Astrologer. I have been thinking this for quite a while and I
think this is why all the above souls started reincarnating in 1932, me
included (born in 1937).[/quote]

The same discussion was raised when I got your email from the below link

When was the last dispensation?

How interesting, if you go through the thread you might find it interesting others  asked the same questions.

I'm not sure but I think there could be related to the ancient places. Like a discovery and voice of the past, I believe the presence of the forefathers will also emerge. The sleeping survivors will resurrect from before Jesus time.

That what I think. But are they resurrected at this time. I not sure but I don't think so. However the knowledge of an ancient past is voicing its will particularly if we discover the 7 commands. Then it would follow logic that a roll call and awakening of the survivors will occur.

A roll call proclaimed by Gabriel.

About the 2012 timeline

Here are a couple of links with some thoughts of mine I did about 2 years ago

Its basicaly what I feel about 2012, its seems to be in the timeline and in the stars based on Orion that appears to have the shape of the sunken landmass of Eden, Cyprus, Sarmasts discovery.

I think there are links to ancient Sethite Astrology connected to the great Pyramid in the way of precession. It seems to have relations with Eastern ideas of precession and ages. Also the 132 Andites did make it to the Inca lands, admixed and shared there knowledge with them many thousands of years ago this explains the commonality with ages and precession representing ages. The very ancient astrology of the Sethite directly related to Adam. Its seems to be reflecting in the Bible and other places of religion.

About Edgar Case I think has touch on the current developments but expressed in his own way but I do see connections that appear to be happening as we speak. Im not sure about some of his ideas however when he speaks of the ancient civilizations he mentions the Da civilisation that seems to ring the Dalamatia civilisation not to mention the La and others.

It seems that the ancient cities that are discovered in the Persian Gulf, the ancient foundations and the knowledge of them is like the ancient knowledge and its respective civilisation resurrecting itself on all levels. As Cayce mentions its all coming from the ancient foundations of multiple civilizations as discovered through the Ub thread.

To me its the sign of great change

All the best  I have to go running late


Dilmun/Babel and Isa/Jesus in the end times


Well I think the underwater dream machine would be perfect for the under dream expedition of the discovery of the city and the Seven commands.

Ive been thinking, the ancient Egyptians called the memory of Dalamatia through Dimun Dilmat.

I figure that Dilmat is expressed in the Book of the Dead as the Maat. The Maati was the home and sanctuary of the Gods where they dwelt and part took of the Tree of life for the immortality.

I feel when you read about the Maat (the Law) or about The Maati I feel you could equate that to Dalamatia and of Dilmun as the legend of Dalamatia perpetuated through Dilmun. Dilmun was full of the fallen Gods/Angels. Both Dalamatia and Dilmun was actually home of the Gods. I tend to believe that the Egyptians through the Book of the Dead are describing Dilmun as that is of a more recent time that is closer to our age.

However, I feel you can get a glimpse of Dalamatia through the descriptions of the Maati/Maat as it equates to Dilmat or Dilmun.

To be honest I am little taken by this verse found in a Hadith


Prophet Isa (Jesus) Peace be upon him (Jesus son of Mary peace be upon them)
will descend before the key battle and kill Dajjal at Bab-e-Ludd (Gate of Ludd). ...

The above seems like a point blank statement and tells us exactly the reality, the actual place and appears to have confirmation with all my research now that we know where the cites Dalamatia and Dilmun/Dilmat/Maati lay and the intent. Its an incredible statement of truth in my view and only goes to show how the truth is spread over all the books and should be approached without pride or prejudice to find the great mystery.

Reading the Book of the Dead and parts of revelation, in my mind gives me a clear description of this time reality and the discovery of the Maat (the truth, the Law=the Seven commands) and the Maati (the city). Im sure it may expand and widen the view point and how the places should be approached and it seems that people who understand the truth should be present. As there appears to be a test to receive invitation into the places or some protocol. Also note that this sacred and holy place would be preserved and protected by the angels especially the Angel protecting the gate of the Garden.

I find similarity in our there was a special brand of priests that where selected to carry the ark of the covenant, they had to be pure in thoughts and in deed. I think this situation could be very similar as expressed in the Book of the Dead fragments about the Maati.

The objective "The Quest for the Seven Commands" can be achieved in 2 locations of Dalamatia and in Babel in Dilmun, a double confirmation like the double triangle with the double circles within found on the plug of the shaft passageway in the great Pyramid. A double symbol representing 2 discoveries of the same thing, two sets of Seven commands found in two lost cities. Revealed in the beforehand timeline. I feel this is the great mystery that Even Cayce points to. Its something to do with our past and lost civilisation .

When I look at my research I cover 4 main civilisations all connected to each other.

The Adamic Civilisation, through Discovery of Atlantis ..
The Adamson Civilisation
The Dilmunite Civilisation
The Dalamatian Civilsation.

Cayce says this


".....There will come a great influx of souls from the Atlantean, Lemurian,
La or Da civilizations...."

Note in our case to the ancient places, we fulfill all the above factors. I believe that the Story of Atlantis evolved in Dilmun of the Dilmunite culture which has factors of the Dalamatian Deluge in there legends, like the city Dalamatia being destroyed in an Tidal wave due to land submergence ij one day. Dilmun in my view has the same dimensions as Atlantis and there appears to be raised walls with perhaps canals leading to Babel running out to sea. This canal was probably used by merchants at the time. I believe that Dilmun had a sea wall of protection as the sea levels rose being higher than the surrounding lands explains how ships could travel along canals on top of great and wide elevated banks running from the sea inland to Babel a great commercial center. Sounds similar to the Atlantis description where it had canals running to the sea. Dilmun was destroyed by a breach of the great sea wall as described by Isaiah, where the Northern walled area where they grew there produce was compromised and shut the whole peninsula due flooding.

However the case of the destruction of First Eden, the First Atlantis it is also consistent to the tale where it was dealt its death blow by the Gilbraltor Dam break and Sicilian isthmus submergence. I think Plato has fragments of all the places contained in its story.

The Double Triangle and circle symbol found on the plug of the shaft.  Maybe the sign of the "double lands" the two places of the Gods.

Here is a UB fragment about Dilmat and the Egyptian thoughts

Here is a study I did about a couple years ago I think.... In my view take note of the Maat or Maati in relation to our current discussion of the ancient places.

Also note: this was written before the ancient places in the Persian Gulf was discovered. I was totally focused on 1stEden in the Med at the time. Reading it again, I feel much of it is consistent, accurate and has more relevance,  since the other places have been discovered. Not to mention the "Quest for the Seven commands" However, there are some areas where I see different things now and in some areas I may of stretched all little far. But its what I saw at the time.

Ill leave it as it is, because we can see if there is accuracy of the revealing over time and how it connects with the unfolding reality.

In the following is some research I did sometime ago on aspects of revelations and the Book of the Dead and the discovery of the object of the search, the Seven commands, the ark of his Testamony. Check the link in terms of the Seven Commands quest, the flint, the sceptre!! not to mention all the crowns in the treasure houses of the planet.

Here is the link with Maat references in the Book of the Dead


Book fo the Dead


Permit thou not me to be judged according to the mouths of the multitude. May my soul lift itself up before [Osiris], having been found I rise up out of the Egg in the Hidden Land. May my mouth be given unto me that I may speak therewith in the presence of the Great God, the Lord of the Tuat.

Let not my hand and my arm be repulsed in the presence of the Chiefs (Tchatchau) of any god. I am Osiris, the Lord of Ra-stau. May I, the Osiris, the scribe Ani, whose word is true, have my portion with him who is on the top of the Steps (Osiris). According to the desire of my heart I have come forth from the Island of Nesersert, and I have extinguished the fir to have been pure when on earth. May I come into thy presence, O Lord of the gods; may I arrive at the Nome of Maati (Truth);

may I rise up on my seat like a god endowed with life; may I give forth light like the Company of the Gods who dwell in heaven; may I become like one of you; may I lift up my footsteps in the town of Kher-Aha; may I look upon the Sektet Boat of the god, Saah, the holy one, as it passeth across the sky; may I not be repulsed; may I look upon the Lords of the Tuat, or, according to another reading, the Company of the Gods; may I smell the savour of the divine food of the Company of the Gods; may I sit down with them; may my name be proclaimed for offerings by the KHER-HEB priest at the sacrificial table; may I hear the petitions which are made when offerings are presented; may I draw nigh unto the Neshem Boat; and may neither my Heart-soul nor its lord be repulsed.

I thought that was very interesting and has reflection in the reality of the journey to the ancient places and the Seven commands


I beseech thee not to let me be driven away, nor to be cast upon the wall of blazing fire. Let the way be opened in Ra-stau, let the pain of the Osiris be relieved, embrace that which the Balance hath weighed, let a path be made for the Osiris in the Great Valley, and let the Osiris have light to guide him on his way."



O my father Osiris, thou hast done for me that which thy father Ra did for thee. Let me abide upon the earth permanently. Let me keep possession of my throne. Let my heir be strong. Let my tomb, and my friends who are upon the earth, flourish.

Let my enemies be given over to destruction, and to the shackles of the goddess Serq.

I am thy son. Ra is my father. On me likewise thou hast conferred life, strength, and health. Horus is established upon his tomb. Grant thou that the days of my life may come unto worship and honour.

Doesnt this just have relevance in the reality of transition



Just expanding on the Atlantis commonality as mentioned in the above.

Note: that at that actual time after the rebellion in Dalamatia and the destruction of the city there was a war between the Nodites and the surrounding people who felt betrayed! There was a war between civilizations as expressed by Plato of the Sons of Gods and there progeny and ordinary man living around Dalamatia. I feel Plato substituted the good guys as the Greeks but really it was the local Human inhabitants living around Dalamatia.

However in Greek mythology this same time frame can be seen as the Greeks (The Javan, the Adamson civilisation) fought against the Giants who were the fallen Sons of the Gods. The Nodites who came from Dilmun 150,000 years ago.

In the Edenic case with its own destruction of 1st Eden there where no Greeks at that time. However, there existed the Northern Nodites where they had some disputes with the Vanites over the territory as they entered into 1stEden. After the fall of Adam and Even the Northern Nodites rein habited the peninsula. I'm sure this Vanite land dispute with the Northern Nodites perpetuated throughout the times of Adam and his progeny in 1stEden.

Plato has all the commonalties in its story that includes the saga of these very first places and including 1stEden.

I want to add that the Vanite Symbol is the 3 coplanar circles. The same Symbol is found in two places and does have reflections in the Sumerian seals as 3 circles as in the Mari seals. The Vanite symbol can be found on top of the Acropolis Hill in Submerged 1Eden as in 3 coplanar circles that embraces the circular shapes on the top to the base. The same symbol can be found in Northern Eastern Iran at the headquarters of Van, a short way up the Kopet Daugh hills in a long and narrow fertile belt.

Van was the builder of 1st Eden and his marker has been identified in the both places as mentioned in the Urantia Book. I think this is an incredible find.



Just expanding on the Atlantis commonality as mentioned in the above.

Note: that at that actual time after the rebellion in Dalamatia and the destruction of the city there was a war between the Nodites and the surrounding people who felt betrayed! There was a war between civilizations as expressed by Plato of the Sons of Gods and there progeny and ordinary man living around Dalamatia. I feel Plato substituted the good guys as the Greeks but really it was the local Human inhabitants living around Dalamatia.

However in Greek mythology this same time frame can be seen as the Greeks (The Javan, the Adamson civilisation) fought against the Giants who were the fallen Sons of the Gods. The Nodites who came from Dilmun 150,000 years ago.

In the Edenic case with its own destruction of 1st Eden there where no Greeks at that time. However, there existed the Northern Nodites where they had some disputes with the Vanites over the territory as they entered into 1stEden. After the fall of Adam and Even the Northern Nodites rein habited the peninsula. I'm sure this Vanite land dispute with the Northern Nodites perpetuated throughout the times of Adam and his progeny in 1stEden.

Plato has all the commonalties in its story that includes the saga of these very first places and including 1stEden.

I want to add that the Vanite Symbol is the 3 coplanar circles. The same Symbol is found in two places and does have reflections in the Sumerian seals as 3 circles as in the Mari seals. The Vanite symbol can be found on top of the Acropolis Hill in Submerged 1Eden as in 3 coplanar circles that embraces the circular shapes on the top to the base. The same symbol can be found in Northern Eastern Iran at the headquarters of Van, a short way up the Kopet Daugh hills in a long and narrow fertile belt.

Van was the builder of 1st Eden and his marker has been identified in the both places as mentioned in the Urantia Book. I think this is an incredible find.

The 3 coplanar circles on top of the Acropolis Hill.  The Ensign of Van.

And the Sevens tablet in an attempt to identify the same symbol


results for"van"

from Paper 76


Page 853

The supermaterial government of Urantia, under the direction of the Melchizedeks, continued, but direct physical contact with the evolutionary races had been severed. From the distant days of the arrival of the corporeal staff of the Planetary Prince, down through the times of Van and Amadon to the arrival of Adam and Eve, physical representatives of the universe government had been stationed on the planet. But with the Adamic default this regime, extending over a period of more than four hundred and fifty thousand years, came to an end. In the spiritual spheres, angelic helpers continued to struggle in conjunction with the Thought Adjusters, both working heroically for the salvage of the individual; but no comprehensive plan for far-reaching world welfare was promulgated to the mortals of earth until the arrival of Machiventa Melchizedek, in the times of Abraham, who, with the power, patience, and authority of a Son of God, did lay the foundations for the further uplift and spiritual rehabilitation of unfortunate Urantia.

This uplift has further continued through the prophets and seers and then through Jesus and now the Urantia Book and here we are and the steps of the foundations of our origins speaking to us through all the books of religion of the planet,

Here we are now!! What a place to be at the very steps of history.



No worries


So perhaps a large group became resurrected seven years ago at the turn of the millennium

However I feel we are offset from the turn of the century by seven years. If we go the UB date for Jesus, this year is the turn of the century.

Seems appropriate in light of the current drive to the ancient places and what has been discovered in the books.

I know the Egyptian Book of the Dead speaks about the 21syt Pylon = 21st Century slow at heart, like slow to catch on. Mankind it speaks of.

Anyway I still think that the sleeping survivors will awaken at a critical mass moment. Perhaps in a discovery of something significant and self realizing.

In my view if Im the right track in this research and the path, I think man is very slow to click on. There must be only a hand full of people.
I also found that this condition is spoken of in Isaiah and in the Dead sea scrolls.

Very few people will even acknowledge this. If anything it will be realisation after the fact. Which would be disappointing and is not the point of the journey to the places. I think the point is faith beforehand, that's the real test.


Hi Sarah

I really enjoyed reading through all your research of the Melchizedek.

I was posting last night and I came across this fragment in the Urantia Book 

from Paper 76



Page 853

The supermaterial government of Urantia, under the direction of the Melchizedeks, continued, but direct physical contact with the evolutionary races had been severed. From the distant days of the arrival of the corporeal staff of the Planetary Prince, down through the times of Van and Amadon to the arrival of Adam and Eve, physical representatives of the universe government had been stationed on the planet. But with the Adamic default this regime, extending over a period of more than four hundred and fifty thousand years, came to an end. In the spiritual spheres, angelic helpers continued to struggle in conjunction with the Thought Adjusters, both working heroically for the salvage of the individual; but no comprehensive plan for far-reaching world welfare was promulgated to the mortals of earth until the arrival of Machiventa Melchizedek, in the times of Abraham, who, with the power, patience, and authority of a Son of God, did lay the foundations for the further uplift and spiritual rehabilitation of unfortunate Urantia.

I was quite encouraged to find this piece as Im finding many connection to the ancient places.

I also feel that the Melchizedek and the Son of Man are directly involved in revealing the hidden treasures.

Here is a piece I found in the Book of Enoch


1Enoch 46:2
He answered and said to me: This is the Son of man, to whom
righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and
who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed; for the
Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all
before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.

Here is a book search on Enoch

And in the following is a description of how Jesus came to use "The Son of man" term.


While turning all these problems over in his mind, he found in the synagogue library at Nazareth, among the apocalyptic books which he had been studying, this manuscript called "The Book of Enoch"; and though he was certain that it had not been written by Enoch of old, it proved very intriguing to him, and he read and reread it many times. There was one passage which particularly impressed him, a passage in which this term "Son of Man" appeared. The writer of this so-called Book of Enoch went on to tell about this Son of Man, describing the work he would do on earth and explaining that this Son of Man, before coming down on this earth to bring salvation to mankind, had walked through the courts of heavenly glory with his Father, the Father of all; and that he had turned his back upon all this grandeur and glory to come down on earth to proclaim salvation to needy mortals. As Jesus would read these passages (well understanding that much of the Eastern mysticism which had become admixed with these teachings was erroneous), he responded in his heart and recognized in his mind that of all the Messianic predictions of the Hebrew scriptures and of all the theories about the Jewish deliverer, none was so near the truth as this story tucked away in this only partially accredited Book of Enoch; and he then and there decided to adopt as his inaugural title "the Son of Man." And this he did when he subsequently began his public work. Jesus had an unerring ability for the recognition of truth, and truth he never hesitated to embrace, no matter from what source it appeared to emanate

I felt that was interesting reading considering the glimpse of the Son of man revealing the concealed treasures mentioned in Enoch. 

The ancient Places are the treasure houses.  The above is like direct confirmation that the Son of Man including Melchizedek are behind this path to the ancient places, revealing the concealed.

Also in the Dead Sea there is much mention of the Melchizedek and his involvement in the end days and his inauguration.

I was impressed with this excerpt of yours


The Zohar finds in “Melchizedek king of Salem” a reference to “the King Who rules with complete sovereignty,” or according to another explanation, that “Melchizedek” alludes to the lower world and “king of Salem” to the upper world. (Zohar 1:86b-87a.)

Seems to be very close to the Urantia Book description of Melchizedek and his future physical reign.

I thought the various descriptions were interesting

Here is another


1Enoch 58 5 And after this it shall be said to the holy in heaven
That they should seek out the secrets of righteousness, the heritage of faith:
For it has become bright as the sun upon earth,
And the darkness is past.

And more of the advise of Jesus speaking as the Son of Man.  Its like direct comunication through the scriptures.


1 Enoch 71:14 And he (i.e. the angel) came to me and greeted me with His voice, and said unto me
This is the Son of Man who is born unto righteousness,
And righteousness abides over him,
And the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes him not.

15 And he said unto me:
He proclaims unto thee peace in the name of the world to come;
For from hence has proceeded peace since the creation of the world,
And so shall it be unto thee for ever and for ever and ever.

16 And all shall walk in his ways since righteousness never forsaketh him:
With him will be their dwelling-places, and with him their heritage,
And they shall not be separated from him for ever and ever and ever.

I feel in the following is a link to Melchizedek, the clue is in "that Son of Man"

And so there shall be length of days with that Son of Man,
And the righteous shall have peace and an upright way
In the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.

the best


I felt the above was interesting!

I liked this one


to foster progress and encourage philosophic creative discovery in therealms of truth

philosophic creative discovery in the realms of truth

has anyone got some ideas on this quote?

I felt the thread of Julia was interesting as well. Because if there was only 4 original tribes of the Israelites where did the 12 tribe idea come from? I know in the Bible the 12 number seems to be in alot of places. When I was researching 1stEden I came across this 12 pheonomena and from the ancient foundations point of view I had a feeling whether the 12 tribes or the number 12 could be related to the 12 gates of 1stEden that spanned and protected the peninsula of 1stEden.

Here is a study I did where I came across this 12 pheonomena in the bible.

The study still needs work and its just compile of parallels with some thoughts and highlights, mind you I could of been a little to focalized on 1st Eden to see if there were related clues.

I did this about 2 years ago before the other ancient cities in the Persian Gulf where discovered so it could have greater relevance since all the concealed is being revealed by the Son of Man in the background in my view.

You know Julia and Majeston maybe right as the 12 could of originated from Mesopotamia, noting that when the captives came back from captivity they had a more enlightened view of the prince of peace. It seems to me that the religion was uplifted perhaps adopting some of the Sumerian traditions as in the 12 number representative of the universe. It may explain 12 divisions of the Zodiac it may shed light to astrology and its own origins. We know from the UB that Astrology came from Mesopotamia and is seen as a debasement of truth to the real truth of the matter. This can also be read in the UB. I think for its erodes faith and reliance on the unseen helpers about us. No offense to anyone. I just believe faith in his spirit and in oneself and the truth of universe as revealed by Jesus as in the UB as confirmed by the ancient places rather than faith stars and locations. Its all superstition! I think the point is faith in ourselves, our unseen helpers, and from the within in relationship with the thought adjuster, the fragment of the Father combined with the Holy Spirit and the whole retune of Heaven. And we walk in that faith knowing that we are looked after and guided in very beautiful ways and our paths are layed out for us. The biggest enjoyment for me is discovering the Father through the whole journey in this adventure of Destiny. Its far above anything on this planet and yet we are realizing this.

Anyway its just a thought, no disrespect for anyone of the Jewish or Christian faith or even Islam. I feel that great truth is revealing itself and will be measurable and witnessed which I think includes also the truth of everything else. I sincerely believe that the journey to the ancient foundations is part of the tree of life knowledge, its fruits. I feel the Father is taking us into a journey and mystery back to our origins.

Its like "Back to the future" Going back to the past to seek the future. Don't be surprised that another tree of life from Edentia will be replanted in another Garden of the Father. What we are doing is rediscovering the temples that housed the tree of life through the expeditions of 1stEden and Dalamatia in the future. This whole journey to 1Eden through Robert Sarmast and the discovery of Dalamatia and Babel by myself could mark the end of the great mystery and to me it would seem logical that something may present themselves.

I could be possible...speculation....That the perhaps after the discovery of Seven commands in Dalamatia something may could be Jesus that might descend going on the following Hadith.


Prophet Isa (Jesus) Peace be upon him (Jesus son of Mary peace be upon them)
will descend before the key battle and kill Dajjal at Bab-e-Ludd
(Gate of Ludd).

Like something the Kingdom of Heaven showing themselves, it could be that Jesus and Melchizedek may descend  in perhaps the discovery of Dalamatia and its Seven commands then in accordance to the above excerpt we see that a showdown occurs in Babeludd/Babel Babel which effectively terminates the Lucifer rebellion.  This may occur during the discovery of Babel in Dilmun and the discovery of its own seven commands.   The foundations of Babel may set the stage for final termination of the last rebellious son and may seal the final adjudication of all the rebels including Lucifer.  Once that occurs the communication circuits will open most likely by the Ancient of Days where the quarantine of this sector of the universe will be lifted.

Maybe I'm being optimistic but I cant see why it couldn't happen with such a profound discovery with so much backing from the scriptures.

Here is a link where I feel Jesus is speaking to us directly through the scriptures. I believe we are in the right conditions with all the elements to activate this transition into the new Epoch.

Here are some excerpts


15:1 Then Adam and Eve cried and sorrowed by reason of God's word to them, that they should not return to the garden until the fulfillment of the days decreed on them; Enoch but mostly because God had told them that He should suffer for their salvation.

You realize that 1stEden and Dalamatia are the original Gardens of God and the headquarters of Van as discovered through Google and Worldwind software where the tree of life was housed.

Jesus is literally bringing us back to the original Garden of the Gods.

Maybe the 12 tribes has something to do with the zodiac 12 division ideas in Mesopotamia.  I dont know..but maybe the 12 idea comes from the 12 divisions of the universe as in representation of the 12 divisions of the Zodiac.  Maybe the the 12 is representative of the universe! and the 12 tribes of Isreal is the universal family in its highest ideal.  We are the children of God, the family.

Thats a thought, the 12 tribes represents the family of the universe, the family of God as in the 12 symbolism that has carried from Mesopotamia and through the Jewish religion by the use of 12.

Maybe the highest ideal of the 12 tribes in the Jewish religion ultimately represents the family and children of the universal father as a nation and a people where the the 12 tribe symbolism represents the family of the universe, the whole universe and carried through the Jewish culture as inn the 12 tribes of Israel.  Something like that!  Maybe the expression of the 12 tribe ideal is carry over from one culture to another through symbolism but representative of the universe family.

Stretching it perhaps but just being creative.



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I was sent an email regarding the province of Dalamatia in the Adriatic coast as seen in Bianca post

It seems quite unusual that you have discovery of Dalamatia in Persian Gulf as mentioned in the Urantia Book and then you a province in former Yugoslavia called Dalmatia.

Then I was pondering the discovery and excavations of the Bosnian Pyramid mountains and tombs found in the Bosnia that had Egyptian symbols.

The I was thinking about the Urantia Book and the term the Egyptians used to describe Dalamatia, as in the word Dilmat.

In the following is a Urantia book search on Dilmat.


The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun. The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun, the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums.

We know from the Urantia Book that the Andites traveled to Egypt but they also migrated to the area of Yugoslavia and Bulgaria area then to Europe  What if a sect of the Egyptian Andites migrated to this area Dalamatia in the Adriatic, settled there from Egypt or from Dilmun and carried on the traditions of Dalamatia or Dilmat or even Maat through its culture and actually became the Dalmatians through the eons of time and called there province Dalmatia as in the perpetuation of Dilmat in the Egyptian culture.  Maybe the discovery of the script inn Bosnia may relate to the script of the Seven commands that maybe found in Babel, script relating to the Dilmunite Andites before the loss of there city through sea level rises about 7000 years ago or more.

Maybe the connections are in the script of the pyramid mountain, the tombs with Egyptian script.

its worth a thought.

If the script found in the Babel in the way of the seven commands is similar to these scripts.  That would prove a connection to the culture of the Dalamatians/Dilmun/Dilmat/Maat/Maati in Dalmatia. Adriatic Sea.


Here is a search in the Urantia Book concerning the Danubians the early settlers of the Adriatic area Dalmatia.  There my be links to the area of the Bosnian Pyramid and its cultural links.


For almost twenty thousand years the Andonites had been pushed farther and farther to the north of central Asia by the Andites. By 3000 B.C. increasing aridity was driving these Andonites back into Turkestan. This Andonite push southward continued for over a thousand years and, splitting around the Caspian and Black seas, penetrated Europe by way of both the Balkans and the Ukraine. This invasion included the remaining groups of Adamson's descendants and, during the latter half of the invasion period, carried with it considerable numbers of the Iranian Andites as well as many of the descendants of the Sethite priests.

By 2500 B.C. the westward thrust of the Andonites reached Europe. And this overrunning of all Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, and the Danube basin by the barbarians of the hills of Turkestan constituted the most serious and lasting of all cultural setbacks up to that time. These invaders definitely Andonized the character of the central European races, which have ever since remained characteristically Alpine.

Could it be that "Iranian Andites as well as many of the descendants of the Sethite priests." brought along the name Dalmatia, the name of the orginal home of the Sons of God before the fall as perpetuated through there ancient culture?

Here is some information about Brenners Pass and ,ight shed light to the culture there


The Nordics continued the trade in amber from the Baltic coast, building up a great commerce with the broadheads of the Danube valley via the Brenner Pass. This extended contact with the Danubians led these northerners into mother worship, and for several thousands of years cremation of the dead was almost universal throughout Scandinavia. This explains why remains of the earlier white races, although buried all over Europe, are not to be found--only their ashes in stone and clay urns. These white men also built dwellings; they never lived in caves. And again this explains why there are so few evidences of the white man's early culture, although the preceding Cro-Magnon type is well preserved where it has been securely sealed up in caves and grottoes. As it were, one day in northern Europe there is a primitive culture of the retrogressing Danubians and the blue man and the next that of a suddenly appearing and vastly superior white man.


The Danubians were Andonites, farmers and herders who had entered Europe through the Balkan peninsula and were moving slowly northward by way of the Danube valley. They made pottery and tilled the land, preferring to live in the valleys. The most northerly settlement of the Danubians was at Liege in Belgium. These tribes deteriorated rapidly as they moved away from the center and source of their culture. The best pottery is the product of the earlier settlements.


Hey look what I found

I know its off subject but it could part of the answer to the problem have today because of fossil fuels.

The air compressed car

however maybe the fossil fuels used to generate compressed air can be be substituted using another energy perhaps part solar or wind energy and maybe the compressed air can used to run a turbine powering an electric engine which has more power. If can pull trains it could pull truck.

An electric engine would have more power and would be powered by battery that would be topped up with a compressed air turbine generated by wind and cool looking solar panels or panels would turn heat energy or friction into electrical energy to run the compressed air unit if its needs be. The compressed air unit is self circulating and doesn't loose air in the atmosphere. Its a balance of the the energy of different energy types and levels and creating torque in the conversion process from one energy source to another. Like how these ufos fly a balance of differing energies in achieving the torque and power required in some process and balancing energy. The Battery would have to drive both the electric engines for torque and the compressed air for the unit topping up the batteries with energy. A system like this could run a plane to. Like a self circulating energy system as combination of compressed air and electrical system but able to able to also energy from wind energy running an compressed air filling a dam of compressed air energy to a dam where energy is released running an electrical turbine supplying torque to various driving air turbine systems which also assisted by forward wind energy through air scoops. Running turbines of compressed air

Imagine a truck during down the road run by electric motors, quite and sleek with heaps of torque. The Electric engines are run by battery which both runs an air compressor unit driving a compressed air and converting a small turbine running all systems. The electrical/compressed air self circulating system is run by electrical energy by its own batteries assisted by solar absorbing panels that look cool and also assisted by wind energy as you drive.

You could have compressed air depots throughout the country that could run by solar energy and wave energy units distributed throughout the country as demonstrated in South Australia. All outside energy systems could be run by tidal energy using the natural resources of the planet combined with the Sun. Diesel powered energy turbines would be a last resort to power the system.

Think about it, if we can convert energy from tidal action and convert wave energy into electrical energy and desalinate water and run also run compressed air depots by converting electrical energy into compressed air.

Ive seen and do have an old video of one of these self circulating air compressor system running a lawn mower engine with the exhaust running back into the compressed air tanks maintaining a self circulating system. Its was quite intriguing. Even if it need an outside power source it could be done through tidal energy running many energy conversion systems to rum various operations such as desalination, Water pumping from the sea water water desalinated and sent through irrigation piped through various parts of the country in drought and given water clean from the sea all driven by Tidal energy and balance depending in the state of the nations water needs.

Water in the country could be balance through this energy sources and country wide water pipelines. Salt could be harvested and even mined for other minerals and could still used in manufacturing. Clean ways could be sort to convert oil into plastics through new energy methods and sources. Like compressed air and electrical energy systems run by tidal, solar and wind energy system. The compressed air/electrical systems would self circulating. This would be the way I think to a utopia world society for the new epoch.


The wall of Babylon/Babel will fall



Jesus prophecy extracts from the 1Book of Adam and Eve

42:1-8 Then came the Word of God to Adam, and said to him:-- 2 "O Adam, as to what you said, 'Bring me into a land where there is rest,' it is not another land than this, but it is the kingdom of heaven where alone there is rest.

3 But you can not make your entrance into it at present; but only after your judgment is past and fulfilled.

4 Then will I make you go up into the kingdom of heaven, you and your righteous descendants; and I will give you and them the rest you ask for at present.

5 And if you said, 'Give me of the Water of Life that I may drink and live' --

it cannot be this day, but on the day that I shall descend into hell, and break the gates of brass, and bruise in pieces the kingdoms of iron.



Isaiah 62:10

Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up an ensign for the peoples.

"gather out the stones" = 7 commands

Following are clues to the ancient places and secrets from St Ephraim



It were a great disgrace if thou shouldst throw thy pearl away into the mire for nought!
In the pearl of time let us behold that of eternity;
for it is in the purse, or in the seal, or in the treasury Within the gate there are other gates with their locks and keys. Thy pearl hath the High One sealed up as taking account of all.




Glory to Him Who sowed His Light in the darkness, and was reproached in His hidden state, and covered His secret things.

He also stripped and took off from us the clothing of our filthiness. Glory be to Him on high, Who mixed His salt in our minds, His leaven in our souls. His Body became Bread, to quicken our deadness.

and Mathew


52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.



Jeremiah 51:44 (Read all of Jeremiah 51)
And I will punish Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he hath swallowed up: and the nations shall not flow together any more unto him: yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall.

Yes, the wall of Babel/Babylon/Bablot that's where it may happen as also confirmed in a Hadith of the Islam faith. At the Gates of Babel-ludd is where the last rebellious Son meets his end. The Father will punish Bel in Babel could be another way of saying it

"yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall."

The Wall of Babylon or the Wall of Babel shall fall.

No compare the above to the below Hadith extract


Prophet Isa (Jesus) Peace be upon him (Jesus son of Mary peace be upon them)
will descend before the key battle and kill Dajjal at Bab-e-Ludd (Gate of Ludd).

So we have a double confirmation of the same event in the same place

"the wall of Babylon shall fall." found in Jeremiah 51:44


"(Jesus son of Mary peace be upon them)
will descend before the key battle and kill Dajjal at Bab-e-Ludd " found in one Hadith.

I just want to say that the target of Dilmun is the circular foundations of Babel as described in the UB.

I believe this is where a great spiritual battle of truth will occur. A spiritual battle of the adjudication.

Its is quite possible based on the above various scriptures.



Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject:

Isaiah 45

8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.



St Ehpraim Pearl 3

This is the month which brings all manner of joy; it is the freedom of the bondsmen, the pride of the free, the crown of the gates, the soothing of the body, that also in its love put purple upon us as upon kings.

This is the month that brings all manner of victories; it frees the spirit; it subdues the body; it brings forth life among mortals; it caused, in its love, Godhead, to dwell in Manhood.




Ezekiel 32

3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net.




Ezekiel 36

10 And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: 11 And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

and the 1st Book of Adam and Eve which I believe is a story of the destruction of 1stEden which was to the West of the 2nd Garden of Eden. The 1stEden was inhabited by Nodites and Adam and Eve inhabited the 2nd Garden in Iraq near Baghdad area. Adam was not alive when in the Flood of 1stEden due to the Gilbraltor break.


1 They were not very far from the cave, when Satan came towards them, and hid himself between them and the cave, under the form of two ravenous lions three days without food, that came towards Adam and Eve, as if to break them in pieces and devour them.

2 Then Adam and Eve cried, and prayed God to deliver them from their paws. 3 Then the Word of God came to them, and drove away the lions from them.

4 And God said to Adam, "O Adam, what do you seek on the western border? And why have you left of thine own accord the eastern border, in which was your living place?

5 Now then, turn back to your cave, and remain in it, so that Satan won't deceive you or work his purpose over you.

6 For in this western border, O Adam, there will go from you a descendant, that shall replenish it; and that will defile themselves with their sins, and with their yielding to the commands of Satan, and by following his works.

7 Therefore will I bring over them the waters of a flood, and overwhelm them all. But I will deliver what is left of the righteous among them; and I will bring them to a distant land, and the land in which you live now shall remain desolate and without one inhabitant in it.

8 After God had thus spoken to them, they went back to the Cave of Treasures. But their flesh was dried up, and they were weak from fasting and praying, and from the sorrow they felt at having trespassed against God.

Cave of treasures ids the 2nd Garden Adams second home



Isaiah 60:16
15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.

16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.



Job 28
11 He bindeth the floods from overflowing; and the thing that is hid bringeth he forth to light.

all good to me


St Ehpraim peral 15

18. Again, the diver brings up-out of the sea the pearl.-Be baptized and bring up from the water-purity that therein is hidden,-the pearl that is set as a jewel-in the crown of the Godhead.


Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject:

thomas 77

Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all. I am the all; the all came forth from me, and the all attained to me. Cleave a (piece of) wood; I am there. Raise up a stone, and you will find me there.

and more of Thomas


(83) Jesus said: The images are revealed to man, and the light which is in them is hidden in the image of the light of the Father. He will reveal himself, and his image is hidden by his light. (but now is discovered)

intriuging considering the stones of the 7 commands and the images of Dalamatia, Dilmun, Babel and 1stEden and the vestiges of the Adamson civilisation.


The Gospel of Thomas 18 declares "Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death,"


Daniel 2:34


34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image

and Thomas


(50) Jesus said: If they say to you: Whence have you come?, say to them: We have come from the light, the place where the light came into being of itself. It [established itself], and it revealed itself in their image. If they say to you: Who are you?, say: We are his sons, and we are the elect of the living Father. If they ask you: What is the sign of your Father in you?, say to them: It is movement and rest.



GThom 1
And he said,
"Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."



Manichaean Psalm Book 155,9-12: 'Holy ones, rejoice with me, for I have returned again to my beginning. I [have] received my clean garments, my robes that do not become old. I have rejoiced in their joy, I have been glad in their gladness, [I have rested] in their rest from everlasting to everlasting.'


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject:

The Descendants of the Sons of Noah

10Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. [1] 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. 8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. 10
And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, [2] and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, 12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city. 13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

15 And Canaan begat Sidon [3] his firstborn, and Heth, 16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, 17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, 18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad. 19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; [4] as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha. 20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

Actually when I look at the Name of Nimrod in my mind that is another word for Nod who was the leader of the fallen Sons of God.

here is a ub link on Nod to widen the view.

I also find it interesting that Nimrod or Nod the mighty hunter or the Great Leader built his first great city Babel or better still he built the great Nodite city Dilmun. Its also seems to be in the right area however we are only talking about 6000 years where as I am speaking beyond that this timeframe. However Sumeria, eons back was much further South and would encompass Babel to the East.

a Ub link on Babel to widen the viewpoint

I'm also interested in the Javan as I know they came from the Adamson civilization (race of the Eldest son of Adam) who the pre Greeks (Javan) eventually left North Eastern Iran (The 2nd migration out of Iran) and ended up in Crete (pre Greeks) and then in Greece. The Adamson 2nd migration became the Javan and then the Greeks.

The following sounds line the plight of Babel, A city that decimated by rising sea levels, the Tower of Babel left incomplete due to soft foundations and internal disputes which ended in conflict and confusion. The UB provides a wider view of the reality of Babel but the Bible seems to have the same reflections. The inhabitants of the city was scattered abroad, they abandoned the pretentious Babel project, Babel fell under its own weight. Overtime Dilmun was no more, destroyed by flood. All were scattered abroad called the Andites. The Andite artisan and craftsmen migrated to Egypt mainly when Dilmun was destroyed.


8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; [3] because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.


8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; [3] because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Seems like a big connection and parallel between the both books and the images of the location of Babel/Dilmun and Dalamatia.

The Tower of Babel


11And the whole earth was of one language, [1] and of one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3 And they said [2] one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

In the above I find quite intriguing. In the first attempt at the Tower of Babel in Sumeria. It seems that Nod and his crew traveled from another location, I would say Dalamatia after the rebellion, The fallen sons and there followers where one in there resolve and they needed a new home. They were scattered from there previous home Dalamatia to the West

They were of one language which implies they working together to build a new city Dilmun. The even tried to Build the 1st Babel but Eventually a dispute broke out among the tribes and ended the venture. However in the 2nd attempt at Babel more in our time but further back . The Babelods because of the rising sea levels decided to build sea walls and another tower of Babel on the same foundations. This would preserve there city and culture from being destroyed from rising sea levels and from the admixation with the Adamites. As it turned out they built upwards as you can see in the images and the sea walls and canals where large and led to the commercial center of Babel. In the second attempt of Babel the foundations gave way of what I think was due to rising sea levels and softening of the foundations.

Also according to the Bible The Nodites fired brick and used mortar. So thats what I would expect to find there Bricks mortar and stone slabs including the Stone slabs with the Seven commands inscribed.

Well that my take on it.



PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject:

Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, etc etc

Note: the description of the migrations of the Nodites to the various parts of world, they where scattered upon these areas and built cities and civilizations. It all seems to come out of Babel in Dilmun in the land of Shinar which is Sumeria.

Adam encountered the Northwestern Nodites and it was with a Nodite that Eve fell and Cain was the product of fall who after killing Abel in the 2nd Garden of Adam was exiled to the east of the Garden to the land of Nod to fetch a wife.

That's in the Bible, Cain went to the land of Nod to get a wife a Nodite wife.

This explains the mark of Cain given at exile for protection and the Sevenfold curse on those who would hurt him.

This also shows that the Bible Acknowledges Nod as a civilization, a previous civilization to that of the Adamic civilization. In my mind there is direct relationship and to me Bible and the Urantia Book are in agreement with the Babel tale.

It appears that image! or picture of Babel, its history, location, story that is known seems to be expanding with better definition and understanding of our history.

Its like a history lesson with great discoveries along the way.


Georgeos Díaz-Montexano

Oh you must be talking about the Babel/Dilmun in the Persian Gulf with the sea walls and canals leading to Babel, the great commercial center further inland from the Sea.

The description of Atlantis/Dilmun seems to be all there as on the worldwind images.

Sea walls, Canals on top of walls that led straight to Babel in Dilmun which was circular. Further North you can see the walled rectangular plain of Dilmun. All the literal descriptions of Atlantis seems to be pointing to Dilmun the home of the Andites. Who migrated to Egypt and built the great pyramid which secret of Dilmun contained as we are unraveling along the way.

I reckon the Atlantis tale comes from Dilmun and then eventually Egypt through migration.


Hi Majeston and all I really enjoyed the papers posted. Completely fascinating.

I was thinking if the clustering orbiting radius of the ultimaton was shortened and the radius spin of ultimaton was increased. I wonder whether would you be heading towards anti matter or matter manipulation considering matter is related to radius of ultimatonic clustering and radial spin. Increasing the radial spin and shortening the orbital clustering would mean a greater mass would approach the speed of light. With increased reaching antimatter I'm sure there would be an energy outflow due to the transmutation of matter.

I wonder if new materials could be made by a perfected technique of the manipulation of ultimatonic spin and orbital shortening and lengthening.

Ive pondered this for a while, any thoughts?


Beginning of a major research track confirmes the journey.  It began with the mystery in the UB that led to the thought adjuster and then led to the Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri and then led to Jesus and Zerubbabel.  To me this confirms my journey and what I have seen saying in recent months.


Hi I was reading about the thought adjuster

This isnt about Iknanton  but it about his Father Amenhotep111

Here is an excerpt out of the Urantia Book

Just checkout the Bold


In the conception of the atman the Hindu teachers really approximated an appreciation of the nature and presence of the Adjuster, but they failed to distinguish the copresence of the evolving and potentially immortal soul. The Chinese, however, recognized two aspects of a human being, the yang and the yin, the soul and the spirit. The Egyptians and many African tribes also believed in two factors, the ka and the ba; the soul was not usually believed to be pre-existent, only the spirit.

The inhabitants of the Nile valley believed that each favored individual had bestowed upon him at birth, or soon thereafter, a protecting spirit which they called the ka. They taught that this guardian spirit remained with the mortal subject throughout life and passed before him into the future estate. On the walls of a temple at Luxor, where is depicted the birth of Amenhotep III, the little prince is pictured on the arm of the Nile god, and near him is another child, in appearance identical with the prince, which is a symbol of that entity which the Egyptians called the ka. This sculpture was completed in the fifteenth century before Christ.

The ka was thought to be a superior spirit genius which desired to guide the associated mortal soul into the better paths of temporal living but more especially to influence the fortunes of the human subject in the hereafter. When an Egyptian of this period died, it was expected that his ka would be waiting for him on the other side of the Great River. At first, only kings were supposed to have kas, but presently all righteous men were believed to possess them.

Here is an relief that came out of the temple of Luxor I wonder if this image spoken about in the UB

I'm not sure if this the exact image the Ub is talking about.  There maybe some other images displaying the the description in the UB.

Actually it could be a little different to what I thought.


Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: The thought adjuster

Most Sundays myself and 2 others read a paper out of the UB, we have don't this for years and I have received many blessings from this. Last Sunday I missed out and was recommended to read paper 110 again.

Which I did and was very impressed and inspired.

Here is an excerpt



Adjusters are able to receive the continuous stream of cosmic intelligence coming in over the master circuits of time and space;they are in full touch with the spirit intelligence and energy of the universes.But these mighty indwellers are unable to transmit very much of this wealth of wisdom and truth to the minds of their mortal subjects because of the lack of commonness of nature and the absence of responsive recognition.

The Thought Adjuster is engaged in a constant effort so to spiritualize your mind as to evolve your morontia soul; but you yourself are mostly unconscious of this inner ministry. You are quite incapable of distinguishing the product of your own material intellect from that of the conjoint activities of your soul and the Adjuster.

Certain abrupt presentations of thoughts, conclusions, and other pictures of mind are sometimes the direct or indirect work of the Adjuster; but far more often they are the sudden emergence into consciousness of ideas which have been grouping themselves together in the submerged mental levels, natural and everyday occurrences of normal and ordinary psychic function inherent in the circuits of the evolving animal mind. (In contrast with these subconscious emanations, the revelations of the Adjuster appear through the realms of the superconscious.)

Trust all matters of mind beyond the dead level of consciousness to the custody of the Adjusters. In due time, if not in this world then on the mansion worlds, they will give good account of their stewardship, and eventually will they bring forth those meanings and values intrusted to their care and keeping. They will resurrect every worthy treasure of the mortal mind if you survive.

There exists a vast gulf between the human and the divine, between man and God. The Urantia races are so largely electrically and chemically controlled, so highly animallike in their common behavior, so emotional in their ordinary reactions, that it becomes exceedingly difficult for the Monitors to guide and direct them. You are so devoid of courageous decisions and consecrated co-operation that your indwelling Adjusters find it next to impossible to communicate directly with the human mind. Even when they do find it possible to flash a gleam of new truth to the evolving mortal soul, this spiritual revelation often so blinds the creature as to precipitate a convulsion of fanaticism or to initiate some other intellectual upheaval which results disastrously. Many a new religion and strange "ism" has arisen from the aborted, imperfect, misunderstood, and garbled communications of the Thought Adjusters.

For many thousands of years, so the records of Jerusem show, in each generation there have lived fewer and fewer beings who could function safely with self-acting Adjusters. This is an alarming picture, and the supervising personalities of Satania look with favor upon the proposals of some of your more immediate planetary supervisors who advocate the inauguration of measures designed to foster and conserve the higher spiritual types of the Urantia races.


Do not confuse and confound the mission and influence of the Adjuster with what is commonly called conscience; they are not directly related. Conscience
Page 1208 is a human and purely psychic reaction. It is not to be despised, but it is hardly the voice of God to the soul, which indeed the Adjuster's would be if such a voice could be heard. Conscience, rightly, admonishes you to do right; but the Adjuster, in addition, endeavors to tell you what truly is right; that is, when and as you are able to perceive the Monitor's leading.

Man's dream experiences, that disordered and disconnected parade of the un-co-ordinated sleeping mind, present adequate proof of the failure of the Adjusters to harmonize and associate the divergent factors of the mind of man. The Adjusters simply cannot, in a single lifetime, arbitrarily co-ordinate and synchronize two such unlike and diverse types of thinking as the human and the divine. When they do, as they sometimes have, such souls are translated directly to the mansion worlds without the necessity of passing through the experience of death.

During the slumber season the Adjuster attempts to achieve only that which the will of the indwelt personality has previously fully approved by the decisions and choosings which were made during times of fully wakeful consciousness, and which have thereby become lodged in the realms of the supermind, the liaison domain of human and divine interrelationship.

While their mortal hosts are asleep, the Adjusters try to register their creations in the higher levels of the material mind, and some of your grotesque dreams indicate their failure to make efficient contact. The absurdities of dream life not only testify to pressure of unexpressed emotions but also bear witness to the horrible distortion of the representations of the spiritual concepts presented by the Adjusters. Your own passions, urges, and other innate tendencies translate themselves into the picture and substitute their unexpressed desires for the divine messages which the indwellers are endeavoring to put into the psychic records during unconscious sleep.

It is extremely dangerous to postulate as to the Adjuster content of the dream life. The Adjusters do work during sleep, but your ordinary dream experiences are purely physiologic and psychologic phenomena. Likewise, it is hazardous to attempt the differentiation of the Adjusters' concept registry from the more or less continuous and conscious reception of the dictations of mortal conscience. These are problems which will have to be solved through individual discrimination and personal decision. But a human being would do better to err in rejecting an Adjuster's expression through believing it to be a purely human experience than to blunder into exalting a reaction of the mortal mind to the sphere of divine dignity. Remember, the influence of a Thought Adjuster is for the most part, though not wholly, a superconscious experience.

In varying degrees and increasingly as you ascend the psychic circles, sometimes directly, but more often indirectly, you do communicate with your Adjusters. But it is dangerous to entertain the idea that every new concept originating in the human mind is the dictation of the Adjuster. More often, in beings of your order, that which you accept as the Adjuster's voice is in reality the emanation of your own intellect. This is dangerous ground, and every human being must settle these problems for himself in accordance with his natural human wisdom and superhuman insight.

The Adjuster of the human being through whom this communication is being made enjoys such a wide scope of activity chiefly because of this human's almost complete indifference to any outward manifestations of the Adjuster's inner

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presence; it is indeed fortunate that he remains consciously quite unconcerned about the entire procedure. He holds one of the highly experienced Adjusters of his day and generation, and yet his passive reaction to, and inactive concern toward, the phenomena associated with the presence in his mind of this versatile Adjuster is pronounced by the guardian of destiny to be a rare and fortuitous reaction. And all this constitutes a favorable co-ordination of influences, favorable both to the Adjuster in the higher sphere of action and to the human partner from the standpoints of health, efficiency, and tranquillity.

Very interesting


Here in my mind is an example of a Rabbi and his close relationship with his thought adjuster and a person who loves his people.

I found this on an endtime forum


Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah
Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.
With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said:

Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.

Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are effectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.

When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.

The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.

Jewish readers responded on the websites' forums with mixed feelings: “So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?” and “The Christians are dancing and celebrating,” were among the comments.

Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. “We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah,” one of them said.

Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic. Kaduri’s son, Rabbi David Kaduri, said that at the time the note was written (September 2005), his father’s physical condition made it impossible for him to write.


A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.)

Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.

Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah.

His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites and Nfc:

“It is hard for many good people in society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.

“Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah than for Orthodox people.

“The revelation of the Messiah will be fullled in two stages:First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah.”


Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri was known for his photographic memory and his memorization of the Bible, the Talmud, Rashi and other Jewish writings. He knew Jewish sages and celebrities of the last century and rabbis who lived in the Holy Land and kept the faith alive before the State of Israel was born.

Kaduri was not only highly esteemed because of his age of 108. He was charismatic and wise, and chief rabbis looked up to him as a Tsadik, a righteous man or saint. He would give advice and blessings to everyone who asked. Thousands visited him to ask for counsel or healing. His followers speak of many miracles and his students say that he predicted many disasters.

When he died, more than 200,000 people joined the funeral procession on the streets of Jerusalem to pay their respects as he was taken to hisfinal resting place.

“When he comes, the Messiah will rescue Jerusalem from foreign religions that want to rule the city,” Kaduri once said. “They will not succeed for they will fight against one another.


In an interview with Israel Today, Rabbi David Kaduri, the 80-year-old son of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, denied that his father left a note with the name Yeshua just before he died.

“It’s not his writing,” he said when we showed him a copy of the note.

During a nighttime meeting in the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva in Jerusalem, books with the elder Kaduri’s handwriting from 80 years ago were presented to us in an attempt to prove that the Messiah note was not authentic.

When we told Rabbi Kaduri that his father’s official website ( had mentioned the Messiah note, he was shocked. “Oh no! That’s blasphemy. The people could understand that my father pointed to him [the Messiah of the Christians].”

David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year, his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. “My father has met the Messiah in a vision,” he said, “and told us that he would come soon.”

Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages. In the Jewish tradition, one does not use crosses. In fact, even the use of a plus sign is discouraged because it might be mistaken for a cross.

But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were “signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the “signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams.

Orthodox Jews around the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva told Israel Today a few weeks later that the story about the secret note of Rabbi Kaduri should never have come out, and that it had damaged the name the revered old sage.

I thought that absolutely interesting, In my mind the Rabbi Kaduri sounds like the image last teacher of righteousness.

I thought that was beautiful.


In The Wikipedia


The original name for "Jesus"?

The claim that the form Yeshua is the original name for Jesus is debatable - other possibilities are that it was Yehoshua or that the Greek form itself was the original (Greek speaking communities existed in Israel already during the Hellenistic period and moreover our oldest manuscripts of the entire New Testament are in Greek). However, Jesus and his milieu normally spoke Aramaic, and Eusebius reports that Matthew wrote a gospel in "Hebrew" (a term used at the time for Aramaic). There is also evidence that the Gospel of John was originally written in Aramaic.

In the Septuagint and Greek language Jewish texts such as the writings of Josephus and Philo of Alexandria, Iēsoûs is the standard Greek form of the name Yehoshua (Joshua). Yeshua, although also rendered Iēsoûs in the Septuagint, is said to be a shortened form of Yehoshua in the dialect spoken at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah and not undisputedly attested in other periods. All occurrences of the term in the Hebrew Bible are in Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah. Two of the people bearing this name are mentioned in other books where they are instead called Yehoshua (Joshua son of Nun and Joshua son of Jehozadak). The name is used for Jesus son of Sirach in Hebrew fragments of the Book of Sirach. Based on comparison of texts, scholars agree that the book was originally written in Hebrew but some concern remains over whether the fragments faithfully represent the original Hebrew text. If accurate this would extend evidence of the usage of the name to the early second century BCE. No usage of the name is found in the Talmud except in verbatim quotations from the Hebrew Bible regarding Joshua son of Jehozadak. The name Yehoshua however is used for numerous individuals from the Hasmonean period and onwards.

and the wikipedia on Jesus Son of Sirach


The Wisdom of Ben Sira (or The Wisdom of Jesus son of Sirach or merely Sirach), also called Ecclesiasticus (not to be confused with Ecclesiastes) by some Christians, is a book written circa 180–175 BC. The author, Yeshua ben Sira, was a Jew who had been living in Jerusalem, who may in fact have established his school and written his work in Alexandria (Guillaume). His work was written in Hebrew, and translated into Greek by his grandson in Egypt, who added a preface.

The Greek Church Fathers called it also "The All-Virtuous Wisdom". The Latin Church Fathers, beginning with Cyprian (Testimonia, ii. 1; iii. 1, 35, 51, 95, et passim), termed it Ecclesiasticus because it was frequently read in churches, and was thus called liber ecclesiasticus (Latin and Latinised Greek for "church book"). Today it is more frequently known as Ben Sira or simply Sirach. ("Ben Sirach" should be avoided because it is a mix of the Hebrew and Greek titles.)

Although it was not accepted into the Tanakh, the Jewish biblical canon, The Wisdom of Ben Sira is occasionally quoted in the Talmud and works of rabbinic literature. It is included in the Septuagint and is accepted as part of the biblical canon by Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, but not by most Protestants.

There is another, different medieval work called The Alphabet of Ben-Sira.

Excerpt from the Jesus Son of Sirach

 Wisdom of Jesus, Son of Sirach


42:18 He searches out the abyss, and the hearts of men, and considers their crafty devices. For the Most High knows all that may be known, and he looks into the signs of the age.

   19 He declares what has been and what is to be, and he reveals the tracks of hidden things.

  20 No thought escapes him, and not one word is hidden from him.

    21 He has ordained the splendors of his wisdom, and he is from everlasting and to everlasting. Nothing can be added or taken away, and he needs no one to be his counselor.

(The above is again about the ancient places and the hidden tracks followed that led to the places of our origins with connected judgments.  The revealed ancient locations are the signs of the termination of this age)


PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject:


Here is another excerpt out of Jesus the Son of Sirach 180BC


Chapter 49

1 The memory of Josiah is like a blending of incense prepared by the art of the perfumer; it is sweet as honey to every mouth, and like music at a banquet of wine.
2 He was led aright in converting the people, and took away the abominations of iniquity.
3 He set his heart upon the Lord; in the days of wicked men he strengthened godliness.
4 Except David and Hezekiah and Josiah they all sinned greatly, for they forsook the law of the Most High; the kings of Judah came to an end;
5 for they gave their power to others, and their glory to a foreign nation,
6 who set fire to the chosen city of the sanctuary, and made her streets desolate, according to the word of Jeremiah.
7 For they had afflicted him; yet he had been consecrated in the womb as prophet, to pluck up and afflict and destroy,
and likewise to build and to plant.
[b]8 It was Ezekiel who saw the vision of glory which God showed him above the chariot of the cherubim.
9 For God remembered his enemies with storm, and did good to those who directed their ways aright.
10 May the bones of the twelve prophets revive from where they lie, for they comforted the people of Jacob and delivered them with confident hope.
11 How shall we magnify Zerubbabel? He was like a signet on the right hand,
12 and so was
Jeshua the son of Jozadak; in their days they built the house and raised a temple holy to the Lord,
prepared for everlasting glory.

13 The memory of Nehemiah also is lasting; he raised for us the walls that had fallen, and set up the gates and bars and rebuilt our ruined houses.
14 No one like Enoch has been created on earth, for he was taken up from the earth.
15 And no man like Joseph has been born, and his bones are cared for.
16 Shem and Seth were honored among men, and Adam above every living being in the creation.

Incredible connection! with this book and the path of this thread that began from the note of the Rabbi and its connection to the resurrection of our original and key prophets be it in knowledge and perhaps in the physical for the occasion??

But in verse 11 look what I discovered how it falls into the scheme things and the current path to the ancient foundations

11 How shall we magnify Zerubbabel? He was like a signet on the right hand,

Did you notice the word Babel contained within the word Zerubbabel? or

and here is an extract of ZeruBBabel


2 Thus says King Cyrus of Persia, "YHWH the God of heaven has given me all the kingdoms of the earth. He has commanded me to build him a house in Jerusalem of Judah. 3 May God be with those of you who are his people. Go up to Jerusalem of Judah and build the house of YHWH, the God of Israel, the God who is in Jerusalem! 4 Let all who remain behind assist the people of their place with silver, gold, goods, and livestock in addition to freewill offerings for the house of God in Jerusalem

Its feels like a confirmation in our days as we rediscover the ancient origins in the physical as written in the books.

And here is Haggai 2 about ZerubBabel. I find many clues and connections to the research and the paths to the ancient plces


The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.

The Glory of the New Temple

1 In the seventh month, in the one and twentieth day of the month, came the word of the LORD by the prophet Hag'gai, saying,
2 Speak now to Zerub'babel the son of She-al'ti-el, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Jos'edech,the high priest, and to the residue of the people, saying,
3 Who is left among you that saw this house in her first glory? Ezra 3.12 and how do ye see it now? is it not in your eyes in comparison of it as nothing?
4 Yet now be strong, O Zerub'babel, saith the LORD; and be strong, O Joshua, son of Jos'edech, the high priest; and be strong, all ye people of the land, saith the LORD, and work: for I am with you, saith the LORD of hosts:
5 According to the word that I covenanted with you when ye came out of Egypt, so my Spirit remaineth among you: Ex. 33.14 fear ye not.
6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, Heb. 12.26 and the sea, and the dry land;
7 and I will shake all nations, and the Desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

The People's Unfaithfulness Reproved

10 ¶ In the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Dari'us, came the word of the LORD by Hag'gai the prophet, saying,
11 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying,
12 If one bear holy flesh in the skirt of his garment, and with his skirt do touch bread, or pottage, or wine, or oil, or any meat, shall it be holy? And the priests answered and said, No.
13 Then said Hag'gai, If one that is unclean by a dead body Num. 19.11-22 touch any of these, shall it be unclean? And the priests answered and said, It shall be unclean.
14 Then answered Hag'gai, and said, So is this people, and so is this nation before me, saith the LORD; and so is every work of their hands; and that which they offer there is unclean.
15 And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD:
16 since those days were, when one came to a heap of twenty measures, there were but ten: when one came to the pressvat for to draw out fifty vessels out of the press, there were but twenty.
17 I smote you with blasting and with mildew and with hail in all the labors of your hands; yet ye turned not to me, saith the LORD.
18 Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD's temple was laid, consider it.
19 Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you.

The LORD's Promise to Zerubbabel

20 ¶ And again the word of the LORD came unto Hag'gai in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying,
21 Speak to Zerub'babel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth;
22 and I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother.
23 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerub'babel, my servant, the son of She-al'ti-el, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts.

consider this


18 Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD's temple was laid, consider it.

Considering the ancient places was discoverd in the Persian Gulf on the 16-17 September 06, The Nine month

a little more


The prophets of his day certainly seemed to have messianic expectations of Zerubbabel as a direct descendant of King David. Haggai said the Jew who helped lead the first wave of his people home from exile in Babylon would be used by Yahweh to destroy other nations: "On that day, says the Lord of hosts, I will take you, O Zerubbabel to be my servant, the son of Shealtiel, says the Lord, and make you like a signet ring; for I have chosen you, says the Lord of hosts" (Haggai 2:23). The words "servant," "signet ring," and "chosen" indicate that Zerubbabel was most likely born during Judah's five-decade exile in Babylon. In fact, the name Zerubbabel itself means "seed of Babylon."

I find the above equaly interesting considering the journey to Babel and the message that surrounds Babel, the Wall of Babylon and now the seed of Babylon and its current focus.]

Sometimes in Metaphor I wonder if Zerubbal is really the Melchizedek, "the sage of Salem" and Jesus "son of Jos'edech" Where the final truth and mystery is being revealed in submerged Babel. The seem to be appearing and revealing themsleves through the scripts and research and thoughts of others.

And more


The importance of Jeshua and Zerubbabel

Zerubbabel and Jeshua were the two main figures in the return of a group of Israelites to Canaan in the first year of Cyrus, king of Persia (Ezra chapters 1-2), who led the people to restore the Temple in Jerusalem (Ezra chapters 3-6) a number of years before Nehemiah returned to rebuild the defensive walls of the same city (Nehemiah chapters 1-6).

That both Jeshua and Zerubbabel were considered special by the people is beyond doubt. Jeshua, the current high priest, was head of the sacrificial system reintroduced upon their return while Zerubbabel, a son of one of the last Judahite kings before the exile, took a leadership role among the people so much so that it’s not difficult to see the people discussing whether he’d take the throne upon himself and try to pull away from the rule of Babylon.

But, more importantly, God considered both Zerubbabel and Jeshua special - the books of the record of Zechariah and Haggai’s prophetic utterances make it plain that God was using who they were and the position that they were operating in to proclaim Truth to His people, not only concerning forthcoming events about which they needed to know, but about times and seasons that would soon come upon them.

Therefore, we read in Zechariah of

1. The high priest’s reconsecration by God in the person of Jeshua (Zech 3:1-5) with a promise of the coming of Messiah (Zech 3:8 Cp Jer 23:5, 33:15).

2. The labelling of both Jeshua and Zerubbabel as the two anointed of the Lord (Zech 4:11-14) with promises and instructions concerning the re-establishing and rebuilding of the Temple (Zech 4:1-10).

3. The symbolic crowning of Jeshua and the declaration of him being the Branch, God’s Messiah (Zech 6:9-12a where the Hebrew translation of v.12a runs literally

‘Behold a man, Branch by name’

showing that the intention wasn’t to name Jeshua as the Messiah but show him as a type of the One to come), that the real Messiah would spring up in Jeshua’s place (Zech 6:12b-15 - the office of the high priest was to be a type of Christ. Some later Rabbis, primarily through this Scripture, proposed the idea that the Messiah would be a high priest and not from the Judahite/Davidic line at all).

We also read of the pair’s special place before God in Hag 2:2 where, in a prophetic word, God addresses the people

‘Speak now to Zerubbabel...and to Joshua...and to all the remnant of the people...’

choosing to single these two out at the beginning of His address.

The signet ring

God made it known that He had a special purpose for Zerubbabel and his family in the days to come. In Haggai 2:20-23 we read

‘On that day, says the Lord of hosts, I will take you, O Zerubbabel my servant, son of Shealtiel, says the Lord, and make you like a signet ring; for I have chosen you, says the Lord of hosts’

where the context of ‘On that day’ is the overthrow of earthly kingdoms and authorities by God’s shaking of both the heavens and the earth (Hag 2:21-22).



Note that Zerubbabel’s name translated means ‘offspring of Babylon’ (that is, ‘born there’). I Chr 3:19 states that Pedaiah was the father of Zerubbabel (where Pedaiah was a brother of Shealtiel). But this isn’t to say that this Zerubbabel is the same as the one born to Shealtiel.



Zechariah 4:7 (Read all of Zechariah 4)

Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.



Zechariah 4:9 (Read all of Zechariah 4)

The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.



Zechariah 4:10 (Read all of Zechariah 4)

For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

they are the eyes of the Lord perhaps in the images of the ancient places as one manifestation..perhaps


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But on a completely different tack from Zarosterian mythology..

The Jamshyd’s Seven-ring’d Cup is the equivalent to the holy grail in Western mythology but both cups represents the cup of immortality, the tree of life and the knowledge of the past and what it represents today in the journey.

I think Jamshyd’s Seven-ring’d Cup is all about ancient places, the 2 submerged cities of Dilmun/Babel and Dalamatia, the knowledge and the discovery of it which I believe is the ancient places as seen in Iranian mythology which is also adopted in Islam I think.

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam

[size=10pt](V.) Iram, planted by King Shaddad, and now sunk somewhere
in the Sands of Arabia. Jamshyd’s Seven-ring’d Cup

was typical of the 7 Heavens, 7 Planets, 7 Seas, &c., and was
a Divining Cup

Has all the reflections of the ancient places and the 7 commands and is in metaphor to the object in the journey to was is hidden is being revealed.

This is what the Shia are trying to find and its under there noses. The discovery of this and the truth might correct some of the death and destruction attitude.


PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject:

'Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the Lord. It is he who will build the temple of the Lord, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.'
[Zechariah 6.12-13]


This is what the Lord almighty says: [...] 'Listen, O high-priest Joshua and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch.
[Zechariah 3.8]

"symbolic of things to come" sounds like in our time.


And after this there shall arise for you a star from Jacob in peace. And a man shall arise from my posterity like the sun of righteousness, walking with the sons of men in gentleness and righteousness, and in him will be found no sin. And the heavens will be opened upon him to pour out the spirit as a blessing of the holy Father. And he will pour out the spirit of grace on you. This is the shoot of God most high; this is the fountain of life of all humanity. Then he will illumine the scepter of my kingdom, and from your root will arise the shoot, and through it will arise the rod of righteousness for the nations, to judge and to save all that call on the Lord.
(Testament of Judah 24.1-6
alluding to Joel 2.28-29 and Isaiah 11.1-5)



And the star is the seeker of the Law who came to Damascus, because it was written A star has came forth out of Jacob and a scepter has risen out of Israel. The scepter stands for the prince of the congregation. At his coming he shall break down all the sons of Sheth.
(Damascus Document 7.18-21
alluding to Amos 9.11)



I found your post most uplifting and felt very inspired. I am very inspired by Rav Kaduri. He gives much light to the final picture.

in the following link is a long thread I dedicated to the Rabbi, if its relevant and of worth to the final picture.

I couldn't help notice the date Nov. 4, 2003 when the Rabbi spoke to the Messiah. That was right around the release of the Discovery of Atlantis, the book that led to the first expedition of 1st Garden of Eden which happened in Nov 2004. Its interesting because at that time in 2003 I was giving a lecture on Plato and the UB and data we had on Cyprus. I extracted much knowledge out of Enoch and other extracts in the ancient books. Thats where the real journey to the ancient began for me and now here we are. In the great and almighty reality all spoken about in the books of religion. Amazing!! absolutely incredible from where I sit and see. In this point of reality and then the Rabbis note is discovered along with other fragments. Maybe he was the last teacher of righteousness in our times.

Probably just a coincidence but there is much biblical and other books research that extracts much knowledge about all these places of ancient civilization, a journey that led to the submerged foundations in the Persian Gulf and a journey that is still moving forward in the final arena.

I believe this journey is all part of the final mystery of mankind.

Thanks for your post


PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject:


I believe this journey is all part of the final mystery of mankind. I am most certain that at the end of this journey or even at the beginning that this knowledge will break the back of evil as truth is exposed or revealed. There was many things that the Rabbi said that confirmed much of the research and his words sounded like the ones used by the last teacher of righteousness in the Dead Sea scrolls.

I myself have no doubts that Israel will be protected and no harm shall come to them. I also want to note that perpetual words of death and destruction are the characteristics of the anti Christ. I also believe they will destroy themselves through argument and division as the ancient places will be the stumbling block for them in there selfvainglory ideas.

They desire but will not get it.

To me it seems obvious that that nations might center on these places but with different interpretations and attitude. What happens in these ancient places might be the scepter at work where all nations may come to one spot, at the wasted places including our heritage.

I personally think as the Messiah arises the Jewish nation will see this more and more of which can be identified inn the books like Enoch and the old testament and other books. I think the countries that want to destroy Israel will just fall in a heap through truth and demonstration.

Like the demonstration we are going through now in the lead up.

I think we live in momentous times and there is nothing on the planet that comes close to these wasted places concerning religion, history and science together.

I think Israel will be safe and the Melchizedek, Jesus, The Father and the angels have there hands over Israel and its people and other peace loving people and families of the world.

When Jesus and Melchizedek and Paradise/The kingdom of Heaven will be a most excellent moment in the annals of human history. To know that we are definitely not alone in this universe and we are part of a family.

Jesus will be our Saviour in the literal and spiritual sense.

And like with Yeshua and Zerubbabel rebuilding the second temple, Jesus and Melchizedek are rebuilding the third temple of the Father in Heaven on Earth in our hearts TODAY, rebuilding the temple of faith. Using the ancient wasted places in my view as a demonstration. I'm sure this all extends to Jerusalem and its future time line events.

Its like with Iran I believe that the country and its people have a excellent opportunity in these places. I feel in the spirit of truth, beauty and goodness that does exist there could work well to be apart of this great discovery and give it to the people since its in there waters.

If they made peace on all fronts and well with the rest of the world and embraced the places and its truth, the people would uplift. However like I said to them the danger is self vain gloriousness. The kind of thing we see in attitude of death and destruction.

As these places reveal themselves and the truth about them and the non violence it represents they will look more foolish in the death and destruction attitude.

I have no doubt the western words would be interested to know whats there and would be willing to have a look, find the truth. Iran could take a real positive step in this and amaze the world in a positive way. Not this negative stuff.

Anyway in there ball park, its truth. The instrument of Paradise lays there, the tablets of destiny in 2 cities. Its the weapon of Paradise, the Rod of correction. Its where the walls of Babylon will fall, at the gates of Babel.

Its truly amazing. This instrument of Paradise, the Rod of the Most High can come against anyone with an unclean heart. Its not as easy as go there and find it and flout it. It can bite you depending on your soul. Its like the ark of the covenant where people of the right heart are allowed in the breach.

The standard of a right heart is the Seven commands, the 10 commandments or simply Jesus' words of love one another as yourself which embraces all the commands in one simple mind/soul thought.



PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject:

I just want to look at this excerpt again in relation to the journey to the ancient places and all that has been said. To perhaps demonstrate that this journey is a very happening thing.


Excerpt from the Jesus Son of Sirach
“Yeshua son of Yozadak”

Wisdom of Jesus, Son of Sirach

42:18 He searches out the abyss, and the hearts of men, and considers their crafty devices. For the Most High knows all that may be known, and he looks into the signs of the age.

19 He declares what has been and what is to be, and he reveals the tracks of hidden things.

20 No thought escapes him, and not one word is hidden from him.

21 He has ordained the splendors of his wisdom, and he is from everlasting and to everlasting. Nothing can be added or taken away, and he needs no one to be his counselor.

(The above is again about the ancient places and the hidden tracks followed that led to the places of our origins with connected judgments. The revealed ancient locations are the signs of the termination of this age)

The more I look into this and contemplate the journey the more I see the journey reflected in this the followuing extract along with my own thoughts.


Excerpt from the Jesus Son of Sirach
“Yeshua son of Yozadak”

Wisdom of Jesus, Son of Sirach

42:18 He searches out the abyss,
Reflects the research and the expeditions to 1stEden of Cyprus, and the discovery of Dalamatia, Dilmun/Babel 3 submerged cities of our origins. Guided by the UB and all the books of religion and worldwind software.

and the hearts of men, and considers their crafty devices.
I would think crafty devices of destruction whatever form it takes coupled with motivation of the heart. What is within?

For the Most High knows all that may be known,
The Most High knows all things and knows the hearts of men. speaks for itself.

and he looks into the signs of the age.
Looks into the Signs that activates the transition of age by the discovery of truth. The signs would be related and affects all levels of knowledge, literally changes things overnight. The Signs of the age would result in revealing and a widening of truth that can be measured.

19 He declares what has been and what is to be, and
Exactly, The Most High declares and reveals what has been. That would mean our past, our origins from the wasted places, from the beginning. It is being revealed through books, all the books including the Urantia Book and the Bible

he reveals the tracks of hidden things.
Isnt this so true, the Most High is revealing the hidden tracks of the past found in the fragments hidden within all the books of religion. This confirms my journey as I have been digging out the hidden fragments in the books since 2003. I believe the Most High is revealing the hidden tracks through this research. My work is all about the hidden tracks of truth and connecting them and paralleling them through the prophets of the past, no matter who they are or they come from, leading to the ancient places

20 No thought escapes him, and
Every thought and motivation of man is recorded in my experience every thought is documented.

not one word is hidden from him.
All information and knowledge from all sources was revealed and documented and given away for the benefit of mankind. Plus if this works out as I see it, this provides a basis for man to build upon in the future. Maybe!

21 He has ordained the splendors of his wisdom, and
In my personal experience the Most High has ordained this journey and splendors of the wisdom and the knowledge including time line phenomena and great discoveries of the tremendous wisdom that leads to the discovery of the Seven commands.

he is from everlasting and to everlasting.
The most high is everlasting and is in knowledge of all things.

Nothing can be added or taken away, and he needs no one to be his counselor.

Absolutely, Its all recorded and given away, its like a testament that began through a simple search for the ancient places.

Anyway from my prospective I see much in the above


PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:31 am    Post subject:

Hi Geo

No problem, I appreciate your words, take your time through those links.

I'm interested in Jewish religious knowledge I see many fragments that pertain to the evolving reality in the Swagman of truth.

However I do see things a little differently but what I see seems to be coming to pass.

I'm not sure whether I should do this but I have published it.

Since we are in the Seventh year I would be vigilant from the July 4-7th onwards about 70 days thereafter particularly around the 14th July.

I'm basing the above on the below in a literal sense and based on personal calculations through some fragments.

the Book of Enoch


1 In the year 500, in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month in the life of Enoch. In that Parable I saw how a mighty quaking made the heaven of heavens to quake, and the host of the Most High, and the angels, a thousand thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, were 2 disquieted with a great disquiet. And the Head of Days sat on the throne of His glory, and the angels and the righteous stood around Him. 14/07/07

and then in another section of Enoch the beginning of the 10 week judgment when it begins


' I was born the seventh in the first week, 1-7/07/07
The beginning of the process, maybe?

This is what happened to me last year when I followed the 10 week judgment literally in 10 weeks.

Note this Quatrain from Nostradamus seems to be pointing to this time frame


For five hundred years more one will keep count of him (Nostradamus 1503 + 500yrs = 2003 (discovery of Atlantis Book, the beginning journey to the ancient places, 1stEden 2004, Dalamatia/Dilmun/Babel 2006 and Vans headquarters 2007)
Who was the ornament of his time:
Then suddenly great light will he give,
He who for this century will render them very satisfied.

So according to my view of this quatrain we seem to be in the time frame as hinted by Nostradamus.

Now if we go according to the birth date of Jesus literal in accordance to the Urantia Book August 21st, 7BC marked by 3 conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn at 3 dates given in the UB and proven by JPL we find ourselves in in the new millennium in the first year. This year NOW!.

here is another clue given by the Jewish seer Nostradamus that appears to be pointing this year in the new millennium 07. But the great Seventh number in my view does have multiple meanings.

Nostradamus (1503-1566) was a Jewish prophet, astrologer, astronomer and physician was born in St. Remy, France,
and converted to Catholicism to avoid religious persecution.


The year of the great seventh number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of slaughter:
Not far from the great millennial age,
When the buried will go out from their tombs

Like the sleeping survivors resurrecting at the role call of Gabriel. The dead coming out of sleeping state.

A not far from the turn of the century near the Olympic games.

and here is another that speaks specifically about Dalamatia


C1 Q 56
The great amount of silver of Diana and Mercury
(the treasure houses of the planet looked after by the angels i.e. the 7 commands and what it represents.)
The images will be seen in the lake
(The lake of Dalamatia images Dalamatia city is like Venice a city set in a lake) (The discovery of Dalamatia, the confirmation.)
The sculptor looking for new clay.
(New truth and enlightenment through discovery of the ancient places pointing to all the books of religion.)
He and his followers will be soaked in gold.
(the path of truth, beauty and goodness will be blessed and rewarded.)

here is another description of Dalamatia in my view. The actual image of Dalamatia set in a lake looks like a city in a bird shaped lake.


The royal bird over the city of the Sun, (Dalamatia image)
Seven months in advance it will deliver a nocturnal omen: (7 months in the beforehand experience to the event? or in the Seven month in the relevant 7 year where judgment will occur, the sleeping Omen arises or does the Seven months in advance have something to do with the 40 day test I declared in July 4th?)
The Eastern wall will fall lightning thunder, (A shift will occurs through revealment and knowledge in religion.)
Seven days the enemies directly to the gates.

End 500 link


PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:55 am    Post subject:

No problems Cookie, that's ok. I don't expect anyone to believe this journey that's for sure.

Its only here in case anything happen where this information maybe pertinent. Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and if that is the case The Father of the kingdom of Heaven shall reveal this.

No doubt about that!

However I must say that the books I draw from where studied by the Jewish priests before the advent of Jesus and Jesus himself had studied these books to as recommended by the priests in his boyhood. Jesus did study all these books and presented his knowledge in the Synagogue of Nazareth and he spoke in the temple in Jerusalem.

He would of went through the same Jewish upbringing as any young Jewish boy.

Consider Jeshua the son of Jozadak; is found in the Bible. You could almost say Jesus, Son of Joseph and “Yeshua son of Yozadak” can be found in the book Jesus, Son of Sirach 180BC. Descriptions of the personalities that raised the second temple with Persian Help.

I see it as a type to now as truth is unveiling itself in the same construct in a similar journey today to the ancient places, the wasted places, where the Father will build up on it or build it up.

little piece out of the Jesus, Son of Sirach. This can be found in the Bible to

[quote][b]10 May the bones of the twelve prophets revive from where they lie, for they comforted the people of Jacob and delivered them with confident hope.[/b][/quote]

As we draw from the words of the prophets in this time towards the ancient places with confidence and hope. This I feel this confidence more and more everyday as the words of the prophets are put together in the final image/reality construct. The Prophets whom may literally be physically here for the final moment along with Jesus, Melchizedek and the most High.

Luke 18:31 (Read all of Luke 18)

Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Amos 3


6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid [2] shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it? 7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. 8 The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?



Zechariah 7:7 (Read all of Zechariah 7)

Should ye not hear the words which the Lord hath cried by the former prophets, when Jerusalem was inhabited and in prosperity, and the cities thereof round about her, when men inhabited the south and the plain?



Zechariah 7:12 (Read all of Zechariah 7)

Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts


Zechariah 8:9 (Read all of Zechariah 8)


Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the Lord of hosts was laid, that the temple might be built.


that last one was huge confirmation of what is happening now in the journey to the ancient places. We are rebuilding on the wasted places the third temple of faith. Built upon the former foundations of the temple of the Father. In a similar fashion to that of the second temple with the same characters involved in this very same case.


Ezra 5:2 (Read all of Ezra 5)

Then rose up Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and began to build the house of God which is at Jerusalem: and with them were the prophets of God helping them.

Ezra 6:14 (Read all of Ezra 6)

And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

Now remember, in the case of the "Quest for the Seven commands" we are going to need permission from Iran/Persia to discover the cities and the Seven commands tablets in two different languages. Again by the order of the Iranian government the discovery of the ancient places will occur inst that similar how the second temple was built by the command and decree of Persia and by God.

What a type in a reoccurring reality this is.

Isaiah 3:2

The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,


Lets see what happens

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject:

Here is an interesting extract out of the

The Book of Burach Chapter 3


21 Nor have they understood the paths thereof, neither have their children received it, it is far from their face. 22 It hath not been heard of in the land of Chanaan, neither hath it been seen in Theman. 23 The children of Agar also, that search after the wisdom that is of the earth, the merchants of Merrha, and of Theman, and the tellers of fables, and searchers of prudence and understanding: but the way of wisdom they have not known, neither have they remembered her paths. 24 O Israel, how great is the house of God, and how vast is the place of his possession! 25 It is great, and hath no end: it is high and immense.

22 "Theman"... The capital city of Edom.

23 "Agar"... The mother of the Ismaelites.

26 There were the giants, those renowned men that were from the beginning, of great stature, expert in war. 27 The Lord chose not them, neither did they find the way of knowledge: therefore did they perish. 28 And because they had not wisdom, they perished through their folly.

29 Who hath gone up into heaven, and taken her, and brought her down from the clouds? 30 Who hath passed over the sea, and found her, and brought her preferably to chosen gold?

31 There is none that is able to know her ways, nor that can search out her paths: 32 But he that knoweth all things, knoweth her, and hath found her out with his understanding: he that prepared the earth for evermore, and filled it with cattle and fourfooted beasts: 33 He that sendeth forth light, and it goeth: and hath called it, and it obeyeth him with trembling. 34 And the stars have given light in their watches, and rejoiced:

35 They were called, and they said: Here we are: and with cheerfuIness they have shined forth to him that made them.
(Didn't I just sayhere we are yesterday after 4 years in the real search for the ancient places with great delight!.)

36 This is our God, and there shall no other be accounted of in comparison of him. 37 He found out all the way of knowledge, and gave it to Jacob his servant, and to Israel his beloved. 38 Afterwards he was seen upon earth, and conversed with men.

38 "Was seen upon earth"... viz., by the mystery of the incarnation, by means of which the son of God came visibly amongst us, and conversed with men. The prophets often speak of things to come as if they were past, to express the certainty of the event of the things foretold.

all the same final image and more defined

and parts of chapter 4


1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law, that is for ever: all they that keep it, shall come to life: but they that have forsaken it, to death.

2 Return, O Jacob, and take hold of it, walk in the way by its brightness, in the presence of the light thereof. 3 Give not thy honour to another, nor thy dignity to a strange nation. 4 We are happy, O Israel: because the things that are pleasing to God, are made known to us. 5 Be of good comfort, O people of God, the memorial of Israel:

Prince Baruch (600 B.C.), was a Jewish friend and editor of Jeremiah the prophet, a sharer in his labors and persecutions.

He wrote the Book of Jeremiah twice. The second and enlarged edition, after the first had been burned by the infuriated king, Joachim, just after Baruch read it at the risk of his life in the hearing of the Jewish people, when Jeremiah was in jail (Jer.36).


PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: A new Urantia group

I'm sure they are nice people but I am completely suspect about the Leader. The first thing that alerted me was the release of financial assets to the leader upon joining.

Well to me that is just a guy using the urantia book to fleece people through religious manipulation. Im deeply suspect about the leader. Taking over someone assets is not Jesus characteristic. There is already some questions about financial dealings going wrong or in the wrong hands.

This is what gives religion a bad name though self styled fools who might give the UB a bad rep because of manipulating and taking peoples money through the pretense of the UB or religion. If you do this , God will bless you crap. What evil angle that is and is in opposition to the words of Jesus. Just another form of spiritual bribery.

So typical inst it. I'm worried because of these so called follow me leaders.


Tucson Region

Group seems peaceful, but some neighbors are nervous
Sedona sect moving to S. Arizona

By Stephanie Innes
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 05.20.2007

TUMACACORI — An alternative and controversial religious group is leaving the Sedona area's vortexes for what it says is equally sacred space — a 165-acre ranch in this rural community south of Tucson.

The Global Community Communications Alliance purchased the Potreros Ranch along the Santa Cruz River for $4.8 million in March, and is in the process of moving its headquarters and 100 members — ranging in age from babies to their 80s — to the property.

The group, which says it has federal tax status as a nonprofit religious organization, also recently bought land along East Rio Rico Drive in Tubac for $580,000.

By all appearances the group forms a contented, peaceful community, but it has drawn the ire of some critics who say its leader, Gabriel of Urantia, exerts too much control over members, who surrender their financial assets when they join.

A parent and grandparent of two members says Gabriel, who claims that celestial beings speak through him, turns his followers against their families and other outsiders.

As a result, some Tumacacori residents have voiced concerns about the move.

Mary and George Hemminger, who live in the historic Rancho San Cayetano across from Potreros, are hoping for the best. But Mary says it worries her that the members don't have financial independence.
"I'm concerned about anyone who might be taken advantage of," she said.
Group members counter that prospective members must live with them six months before considering a lifelong commitment.

"The benefit of giving up your money is that you get so much more from everyone else," said Taranta Baldeschi, 45, who is living at the Tumacacori ranch and has been part of the community for 14 years. "But I know the majority of the world lives according to making a living, so we seem different."

They say critics are judging them for being outside of a mainstream society that's focused on materialism. Believing in self-sufficiency, members grow their own organic food, raise livestock, and practice what they call ecological living.

They are against uncontrolled growth and say that is one of the main reasons they are leaving Sedona — an area that has exploded with homes, shopping centers and restaurants since the group formed in 1989.
Officials with the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office say they have no record of problems with the group in Sedona.

Yavapai County Supervisor Chip Davis, whose district includes the group's largest property, says members have been consistently well-mannered advocates of environmental protection. "My encounters with them have all been positive," he said. "They've been active in the community in a good way."

Celestial beings cited

The group bases its worship on The Urantia Book, a 2,097-page work published in 1955 that claims to have been presented by celestial beings as a revelation to the planet Urantia, which is Earth.
Its members say they follow Jesus' example, though they don't believe in some tenets of Christianity, including the Immaculate Conception.
They say their leader, Gabriel, is in contact with celestial beings who speak through him with revelations, which he's putting into a series of books called the Cosmic Family volumes.

His followers, who are from all over the world, are not referred to by their birth names but rather by "spiritual names" that represent a higher self.
Gabriel declined to be interviewed, but sent the Star prepared, e-mailed statements about the group and its mission.

"This ministry works with all peoples who are somewhat damaged by society, i.e., divorce, struggling to make a living, troubled teens, and/or temporarily emotionally distraught for whatever reason," he wrote.
"Tumacacori/Tubac will become the spiritual mecca of Western civilization," Gabriel added.

He previously said that about Sedona, but now says greed has marred Sedona's uniqueness.

"Sedona has become an overdeveloped tourist attraction and a lot of the people aren't very real. The whole Tumacacori area is nice and people are so friendly. I'm excited. It will be cool to build and garden there," said 16-year-old Amadon Dell Erba, who was born in the community and is Gabriel's son.
Kazarian K-Zar, 29, has lived in the community since he was 16. "I definitely felt led by God. This is what I've been called to do with my life," he said. "Leaving is an issue that doesn't concern me. I'm not concerned about having things. I know whatever God needs me to have, I'll have, whether it's here or somewhere else."

Similarly, 28-year-old Torrea Vinyard says she grew up believing she would be a Catholic nun. But when an older nun advised that she was meant to do something different with her life, Vinyard began praying and searching for something else.

"My prayers were fulfilled," she said. "I heard from God. The Urantia Book expands more of who Jesus is."

Once lived in Tucson
A Pittsburgh native who was raised Catholic, Gabriel lived in Tucson during the 1970s and operated Son Light Ministries here, under the name Rev. Tony Delevin. He told the Star in 1979 that he was sharing Jesus Christ with street people.

Until recently, he referred to himself as Gabriel of Sedona, and his group was called Aquarian Concepts.

Gabriel, now 60, felt an immediate spiritual connection with Potreros Ranch, his followers say, made even more powerful by the fact that it is adjacent to Tumacacori Historical National Park and ruins of the mission established in 1691 by Jesuit Father Francisco Eusebio Kino.

A lush property that includes five houses, a swimming pool, a barn and a pond, Potreros is now undergoing a transformation into a working farm. On a recent Friday, members were planting vegetables in one section, while inside the main ranch house older children sat down to school lessons and younger children played in the preschool area.

A few members stayed in front of the house, tending to pristine and colorful flower gardens. "We believe gardening is very healing," said Centria Lilly, who identifies herself as the group's liaison minister.
Earlier this year — before the ranch sale was final — several residents of the Tumacacori area met with alliance members at Wisdom's Cafe & Restaurant, hopeful, some said, that they would convince the group to go elsewhere.

The number of people that will live on the property — 100 and possibly more — was an issue, though 6 acres of Potreros is already zoned for higher-density housing, allowing for nearly 11 attached units per acre with no restrictions on how many people can live in them.
Now that the property is sold, local residents are less willing to talk critically about their new neighbors and instead are just trying to get along with them.

"I know a few people told them they weren't welcome, but their reaction was very calm, very professional. Now that the sale has gone through I haven't heard anything. They are nice people, and they don't appear any different than a lot of the new people moving into the area," said Herb Wisdom, owner of Wisdom's, a common meeting place in the unincorporated community of Tumacacori. The 2000 census placed the population of Tumacacori and nearby Carmen at 569.

"I hope it all works out," Wisdom added. "We're too small to not get along."
"Well-oiled machine"
The move to Tumacacori is expected to eventually relocate the alliance's various nonprofit businesses to Southern Arizona — a recording studio and performance venue called Future Studios in downtown Sedona; a moving and landscaping company; a tour company; a health clinic; a legal clinic; and a publishing company.

The group plans to use the Tubac property for an art gallery and office for its spiritual-tour company.

The fact that just 100 people are able to run the various businesses and programs is a testament to their disciplined lives, said Lilly, who calls the community "a well-oiled machine in terms of being productive."

The group earns money through its nonprofit businesses and book sales. It also solicits donations from the public. On one video on the Web, dating to the Sedona days, it says that "finances are desperately needed" to build a school for the group's children. "Please help us," the children chime in on the video.
Much of the group's assets are in real estate.
Yavapai County records show the group owns 19 properties in the Sedona area, which the Assessor's Office assigns a total full cash value of $6.8 million for the 2007 tax year, and $9.2 million for the 2008 tax year. At least 12 of the properties, including its largest — the 15.2-acre Avalon Gardens — are on the market for a total of $19 million, real estate listings show.

Property values have skyrocketed in Sedona. For example, the group bought Avalon Gardens for less than $1 million in 1994 and it's now on the market for $7.7 million.

Hurt by criticism
Many members say they are weary and hurt by criticism, particularly in media coverage that has landed them, among other places, on the national television program "Dateline NBC" in 1998 and most recently on the cover of Sedona's Red Rock News.

The group responded with a 167-minute Web cast April 19 titled, "Media Misrepresentation: locally and nationally."
Some critics, including a California parent, Janet Helminiak, say the group wants its members together in a remote location to avoid scrutiny.
Helminiak says she hasn't spoken to her 36-year-old son or her 11-year-old granddaughter — both community members — in more than two years and she blames the community for turning both of them against her.

She says she reluctantly dropped a lawsuit to try to gain custody of her granddaughter after spending tens of thousands of dollars and more than two years in the courts.

Among her concerns — denied by the group — are that her granddaughter is being educated only in group doctrine and will never be able to leave because of a lack of opportunities.

John Thurstin, 79, a former group member, says Gabriel believes he is the reincarnation of Moses, St. Francis of Assisi, George Washington, Alexander the Great and Mozart, among other people — and some of those are claims Gabriel made on "Dateline."

Thurstin left the group in 2005 after living there 13 years.
He says Gabriel uses the title of "Planetary Prince," and says members are told that, if they do not obey Gabriel, they will die. Though Thurstin denies it, group members say he is angry and making false claims because he wanted to lead the group.

Members comment
Lilly speculated that the newness of the group's faith may be the reason people are less willing to accept their beliefs.
"Historically anyone who is different is looked down on and persecuted," concurred Fane, a group member who uses one name. In his 60s, Fane has been in the community for 11 years and joined with his wife and two children.

"Jesus had the same problem," Fane said. "He was new and people weren't willing to accept him."

Eighteen-year-old Hamael Campbell says that, for him, the group has meant happiness. When Campbell finished high school in Tempe he went on a spiritual journey and ended up in Sedona.

His younger sister moved to the community this month, though she must wait until she's 18 to consider a commitment to it.

"This is real. It resonates in my soul," Campbell said. "I started crying when I met the people here."
more, page a4
• Many of group's enterprises moving to Tucson area.
• Other spiritual communities in Southern Arizona.


By all appearances the group forms a contented, peaceful community, but it has drawn the ire of some critics who say its leader, Gabriel of Urantia, exerts too much control over members, who surrender their financial assets when they join.

Yep, has all the characteristics of manipulation and to me this just another Jim Jones in the making.

I don't care what anyone says about what I think. No has to take anyone's money out of there pockets regarding Jesus and the will of the Father. I think he is using the Urantia Book as device as a money grab.

What an ego this guy must have that he cant speak in public and be transparent.

You know why because he knows he is wrong in his attempt to secure the money of others and using the UB as a device.

He says Gabriel uses the title of "Planetary Prince," and says members are told that, if they do not obey Gabriel, they will die

Gee if that's the truth, that pretty full on and uniformed and to me spells danger. If its a real claim

Obviously the Gabriel guy is an ex preacher and brought his 10% rubbish along with him from is Church to this group he formed.

Better than than dump the 10% let have all your money.

What a spiritual scam I reckon this is. I reckon something is very wrong about this self proclaimed so called Planetary prince whose claim is false. Soon as the money comes into it or a demand for money then i reckon is not from God that's for sure.

No something wrong there! I'm sure the people are nice but the all your money pastor forget it!!!!

money scammer.



PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject:

Zechariah 4:10 (Read all of Zechariah 4)

For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and
shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

Those Seven as mentioned in the above biblical scripture is a direct reference to the Sevenfold Scheme

The Sevenfold

This whole adventure in discovery is part of the Sevenfold Scheme.

This teaching mission consists of all kinds of personalities and students from the perfected worlds of Paradise. Also there are many Seraphim that are involved in furthering the cause of truth and righteousness through adventures of truth such as this journey to the ancient temples of the Father.

Here is the mandate given by the Ancient of Days in the authorization of the Urantia Book.


These thirty-one papers depicting the nature of Deity, the reality of Paradise, the organization and working of the central and superuniverses, the personalities of the grand universe, and the high destiny of evolutionary mortals, were sponsored, formulated, and put into English by a high commission consisting of twenty-four Orvonton administrators acting in accordance with a mandate issued by the Ancients of Days of Uversa directing that we should do this on Urantia, 606 of Satania, in Norlatiadek of Nebadon, in the year A.D. 1934

Mind you 70 years later 1stEden was discovered of Eden in first expedition in 2004

Here we are in 2007? What happens in 2007?

One thing for sure that this journey will prove once and for all that The Father exists. A discovery that will be measurable! in light of the fragments that led us there. Not to mention that the whole Universal family plays each there own role in this journey, in what will be the dawn of a new Epoch!

To me this journey in reality is built on the same reality as in the reconstruction of the second temple. But now the third temple is being built with the same builders in a different way. A way of faith by being led by the books of truth.

The second temple is a type of this reoccurring reality. The second temple is a type of this reoccurring reality in the construction of the third temple! This is probably the path!

Amazing that this whole thread of truth discovery in these recent threads came from the note of the Great Jewish Rabbi who passed away. That I recently discovered a couple of days ago through GEO.

Fantastic, how fitting and sophisticated!

I just say Glory to the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven!!! How amazing! his glory and riches of the soul through revelation of the soul through fine discoveries in the books of religion.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:15 pm    Post subject:


I thoroughly enjoyed reading about your views. To me it makes all sense what your saying.

No worries at all. I would like to hear more of your thoughts about this time.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject:

But then again I see this as a gesture of peace at least on one front. This could lay the path of a shift towards peace.

To me it only reflects a nation that would like to make peace with its so called enemy. I see a Jesus be-attitude in that gesture.

Then one could explore Mt Hebron the place of test without fear. No mans land would be lifted and the place would be accessible for journeying the paths of Jesus as he was confronted by Lucifer, Satan and Caligastia.

What wrong with a country who decide Well maybe we should give the land back. If the country feels in its heart that it should do that and sue for peace. I think it s good thing and also unlock many other things.

You never know , it might mean a turn around.


Yes, I know what you mean and I can see your point and considering the instability there and Hezbollah and other factions it could make the Northern front more Vulnerable under Syrian control.

Perhaps the Syrian King is more negotiable than his father. The best potential I could see is that. If land was given back that would perhaps tip the attitude in Israels favor. Personally, I'm not sure where that would lead to.

Me personally I wish Iran would get there act together but instead they appear to be going the other way, persecutions on Iran/Americans and continual dealing in bombs and spreading country destruction rhetoric just really pisses me off. I also note they are in a defensive/aggressive mode which may reflect division within arising. Maybe I should write again, but whats the point. It seems they are all wayward, I do notice they have made contact with the US since I revealed the research during the British marine affair which is good but still the progress is slow and slippery. Not getting any closer to peace paths.

I still have to get permission to go there. Oh maybe I will write later on but III write with respect and kindness but with direction. I do have a plan for this that they might like.


PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject:

Here is an extract s of the Jesus Papers recorded by the teacher of righteousness of the Essenes. This is the Essene record of one of Jesus' teaching ministry.


Blessed is the Child of Light

Who doth seek his Heavenly Father,

For he shall have eternal life.

He that dwelleth in the secret place

Of the Most High

Shall abide under the shadow

of the Almighty.

For he shall give his Angels charge over thee,

To keep thee in all thy ways.

Know ye that the Lord hath been

our dwelling place

In all generations.

Before the mountains were brought forth,

Or ever he had formed

The earth and the world,

Even from everlasting to everlasting,

Hath there been love

Between the Heavenly Father

And his children.

And how shall this love be severed?

From the beginning

Until the ending of time


here is another fragment regarding the sevenfold with a few of my own thoughts in relation to 1st Eden just before the 2nd expedition to 1st Eden and before the other ancient places in the Persian Gulf where discovered,




And seeing the multitudes, Jesus went up into a mountain, and his disciples came unto him, and all those who hungered for his words. And seeing them gathered, he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

"Peace I bring to thee, my children,

The Sevenfold Peace

Of the Earthly Mother

And the Heavenly Father.

Peace I bring to thy body,

Guided by the Angel of Power; Peace I bring to thy heart,

Guided by the Angel of Love; Peace I bring to thy mind,

Guided by the Angel of Wisdom. Through the Angels of

Power, Love and Wisdom,

Thou shalt travel the Seven Paths

Job 38 "the paths" The 1st Eden connection.

Of the Infinite Garden, (1st Eden of Cyprus)

And thy body, thy heart and thy mind
The full revelatory experience.

Shall join in Oneness
The great mystery, The conjunction of knowledge

In the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace.
The effect of it and reference to all the expeditions. Remember there was a capsule sent there on behalf of mankind.

Yea, I tell thee truly,

The paths are seven
The sevenfold truth is all about this place
Through the Infinite Garden, Its related directly to 1st Eden and its the truth, its confirmation, a major revelation at this point and are huge connection. Good for all mankind and touches all the main religions of the world. It s all related and peace will come from here. Mind you this the work of the last teacher of righteousness and collaboration with the Melchizedek, Sage of Salem.

And each must be traversed

By the body, the heart and the mind As one,
Take note of this this is really important investigate this truth.

Lest thou stumble
fall in Disbelief this could be the problem...consider all things.

Into the abyss of emptiness.
one could be very disappointed in this.

For as a bird cannot fly with one wing,

So doth thy Bird of Wisdom

Need two wings of Power and Love

To soar above the abyss

To the Holy Tree of Life.
The Tree of life is associated in this
Check this parallel. The Jesus prophecy in the book Adam and Eve.and the book of Enoch.


I found to be many clues in this fragment of this most remarkable paper. I was amazed when I discovered it.


PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject:

In the following is a link.

In the the diagram there appears to be a problem.

There appears to be a missing week, One week=Seven years.

The mystery of the missing One week or Seven years.

The problem with the missing Seven years is because the actual real birth of Jesus is on August 21st, 7BC.

We are Seven years out in relation to the birth-date of Jesus as we have been taught. This might explain the missing 7 years. Working with Jesus' UB birth date seems to clear up the one week/7years dilemma in the prophecy time line. This year is the new year of the millennium.


These wise men saw no star to guide them to Bethlehem. The beautiful legend of the star of Bethlehem originated in this way: Jesus was born August 21 at noon, 7 B.C. On May 29, 7 B.C., there occurred an extraordinary conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. And it is a remarkable astronomic fact that similar conjunctions occurred on September 29 and December 5 of the same year. Upon the basis of these extraordinary but wholly natural events the well-meaning zealots of the succeeding generation constructed the appealing legend of the star of Bethlehem and the adoring Magi led thereby to the manger, where they beheld and worshiped the newborn babe.

Oriental and near-Oriental minds delight in fairy stories, and they are continually spinning such beautiful myths about the lives of their religious leaders and political heroes. In the absence of printing, when most human knowledge was passed by word of mouth from one generation to another, it was very easy for myths to become traditions and for traditions eventually to become accepted as facts.

The above conjunction dates have been proven and confirmed through through J.P.L. and the data and discovery of this mystery is documented in an out of print book called the Bethlehem report by Robert Teeter. But I have seen previous data and research before this work.

Anyway the above I thought would be a good reason for the missing 7 years in the time line of prophecy of Daniel.

I thought the following link was interesting especially regarding the 10 kingdoms and the little horn and the current time line that he sees.

and the following highlight would be the thing to look for regarding the desolation of a holy place. In respect to the ancient places in the Persian Gulf and the Seven commands, this could be a reality. A definite possibility. Perhaps what we see in Iran could the beginning of it or maybe its playing out now.



Matthew 24

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
(Imagine the effect of a major leader bent on death and destruction with religion in one hand and gun in the other. Consider the effect the finding of the Seven commands would have in his self aggrandizement? This is a full on and very real potential. If this occurs regarding the ancient places and the seven commands and some weird proclamation. Look out!

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Speaks to me intervention and Jesus and the Father speeding up the process. Circuiting evolution with revelation.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


I must say if someone knew they where the real Christ or something. I reckon you would keep that to yourself. That would be the last thing you would want to reveal I suppose.


PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject:


I know what you mean about making the first move, unfortunately, that may be the case. However, that move would definitely escalate the place in further terrorism and war. How unfortunate this is.

Stephen raised an important point. About when the US leave, the little horn increases power builds a federation of the middle east countries in trade and commerce. That would be the 10 kingdoms as Stephen expressed, maybe! I know recently the president of Iran submitted a proposal for a Islamic economic federation. That could be the beginning.

I wonder if the leader of Iran knows this and is playing out the scene. I must say the things he says just sounds strange seeing it from a normal point of view.

Supposing, we are in the timeline of the beast and his 10 kingdoms. (remembering the beast is everywhere) Does he rule 3.5 years and in that time, does he do miracles and great feats? Would one of those feats would be the discovery of the Seven commands and the 2 submerged cities??? Where he would make a big deal about it and discover it and claim it to himself???

All seems to be a likely possibility. If he does use the information I revealed to avert disaster then he could go out discover it and claim it to himself and convince his people that he was led by God to discover the tablets. The people wouldn't know any different and see him as some sort of God or another Mohammad or some guy like that.

Then all Hell breaks loose literally, where he gains power and people will aggrandize him and he will become more confident and more powerful and he will desolate the ancient places or the first temples of the Father and deliver a message that is deceptive and untruthful giving no acknowledgment to the truth of the ancient places and what really behind it all.

I'm thinking that this is the deception that everyone is looking for and we can see it in the making right before our eyes.

I am positive he will see himself as the 12 Imam or as another Mohammad as he goes through this experience to the ancient places.

What a story of intrigue this is shaping up to be. The best part we know the conclusion. ahahahahahahah we have the last laugh. All Jesus commands us to do is have faith, nothing more! He is in charge of the realities here, ultimately!

It could be that the last rebel is working through the little horn in Iran. Considering whats at stake and his current rhetoric of death and destruction.

The signs that I see in the rhetoric in Iran seems to show the signs and the precursor of events. If we are on the right rack his rhetoric should becomes more Allah and prophet laden in his words and he should indicate change of some sort.

It will be related to religion
Great Satan

I feel he will be deluded by the illusion that he is the chosen one or something like that. It will really go to his head. I warned about this self vain gloriousness, that it leads to danger whereas this should be shared with the world in peace and sincerity.

In the following, I'm reflecting in the past to Daniel to see if I see the same characteristics today in past prophecy fulfillment

The Little Horn



Daniel 7
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

I'm not sure if the following is relevant to the current little horn but to me it has all the characteristics in relation to the reality and potentials to the ancient places.



Daniel 8

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
(Is that pleasant land a reference to the original places in question submerged in the Persian Gulf? Remembering this was written in Babylon.)

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(Change upon the discovery)

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
(This appears to be about the desolation of the temple in Jerusalem in the past. However it could be a type in this time regarding the very first original temple of the Father before the rebellion which was also defiled in the exact same way as described in the above verse. The beginning of the rebellion on this planet happened in Dalamatia where the 7 commands was cast aside for a new manifesto. The exact thing happened then and could happen today in the same temple by the current players. This is just reoccurring reality, One is a type of another.)

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.
(Cast aside the real truth of the places, aggrandize himself to the 7 commands and based upon that his deceit receive power and influence in the Islamic world and builds an economic federation with other like minded countries.)

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, (Like us questioning and examining) How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
(The answer)6.3 years

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man:for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
This time, the end times.

18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.

19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall bein the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up

24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

This does not sound good, considering the current rhetoric of Iran in its death and destruction attitude. Note: that the little Horn rule is given not by his power but through perhaps the discovery of the cities and the stones of the 7 commands.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Thats right the instrument that gave the little horn power is the same power that will destroy him by the Prices of prince...Jesus

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
The vision is locked up until all the components are discovered. When all the components are discovered then the vision is at its right time for fulfillment and will fulfill itself.

27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
I don't blame for Daniel being sick. I feel sick myself seeing this micarbe end.

To me the above has all the characteristics and descriptions of the current reality.


thanks Geo for your input.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:04 am    Post subject:

Here is a piece out of Isaiah that may be relevant to the end times and our ancient heritage!!

Isaiah 49


7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee,
and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from
the land of Sinim.

To me it has the same characteristics as in the journey.

It appears to be coming from Sinim, I wonder if that is the same as Sumeria.

and note this verse:



8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritage which means our past, our origins. This includes Dalamatia/Dilmun and Babel, back to the beginning. In addition a new covenant is also "I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people" applied and could be a direct reference to the Seven commands relating to the ancient foundations, our heritage.

We are there! In the moment discovering and concluding the ancient mysteries of the Father.

To me this another direct confirmation of the path.

Is the "Land of Sinim" really the "land of Seven" How remarkable if it is!!


The word “Sinim” in Hebrew is <ynys. And the word for “Aswan” according to the NIV in Ezekiel 29:10 and 30:6 is hnws. Now <ynys is pronounced “Sinim” but hnws which is pronounced “Seveneh” is translated “Aswan.”

Land of Sinim/Seveneh/Seventh/Seven...interesting! It happens from the Land of Sinim or Seven..maybe!

Then again Sinim could mean China as most people think.

Although here is another idea for the location of the "land of Sinim"


Take a map of Europe. Lay a line due North west of Jerusalem across the continent of Europe, until you come to the sea, and then to the island in the sea! This line take you directly to the British Isles!" Behold, these shall come from afar; And lo, these will come from the north and from the west, And these from the land of Sinim." Isa 49:12 Armstrong then says, "The Vulgate renders "Sinim as "Australi" or "Australia"" p95-96

Australia Eh! Well thats certainly relevant to the ancient places and Australia is an Island?? Maybe the knowledge of the journey comes from here? If you draw a very long long line you hit the land of Oz of maybe Sinim???

Here is another view on the land of Sinim.



hnwo C@veneh [rather to be written hnvs C@venah for Nwo C@ven
Syene = "her veiling (?)"

1) a town of Egypt on the frontier of Cush or Ethiopia

5482 Cveneh sev-ay-nay'

(rather to be written Cvenah {sev-ay'-naw}; for Cven
{sev-ane'}; i.e to Seven); of Egyptian derivation; Seven, a
place in Upper Egypt:-Syene.

Strongs #05515
Mynyo Ciyniym
Sinim = "thorns"

1) a people living at the extremity of the known world; may be
identified with the inhabitants of southern China
5515 Ciyniym see-neem'
plural of an otherwise unknown name; Sinim, a distant
Oriental region:-Sinim.

The land of Seven in the South in Egypt.

It seams to be a city in the land South of Egypt. The Egyptian Word "Syene " means "her veiling". Seems interesting even though we are unveiling. To me the key thing is the word Seven and its relation with Sinim/Sevenah.

and the



Smith's Dictionary

properly Seventh a town of Egypt, on the frontier of Cush or Ethiopia, (Ezekiel 29:10; 30:6) represented by the present Aruan or Es-Suan.

Again it seems to me the "The Land of Sinim" has relations with Sevenah, Seventh as in the town and Syene. I would be surprised that Job means "the land of Seven" and it could be also a reference to Australia which is an island far off. Yes, I think Sinim means Seven, the land of Seven, I think its symbolic to this journey to the land of the Sevenfold, where the physical Sevenfold began on earth before the rebellion in Dalamatia where the 7 commands was given, mans first moral codes of civilization.

Here is another compelling lead into the "Land of Sinim"


SINIM, LAND OF - si'-nim, sin'-im ('erets cinim; ge Person): The name occurs in Isaiah's prophecy of the return of the people from distant lands:"Lo, these shall come from far; and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim" (Isa 49:12). The land is clearly far off, and it must be sought either in the South or in the East.

Septuagint points to an eastern country. Many scholars have favored identification with China, the classical Sinae. It seems improbable that Jews had already found their way to China; but from very early times trade relations were established with the Far East by way of Arabia and the Persian Gulf; and the name may have been used by the prophet simply as suggesting extreme remoteness. Against, this view are Dillmann (Commentary on Isaiah), Duhm, Cheyne and others. Some have suggested places in the South: e.g. Sin (Pelusium, Ezek 30:15) and Syene (Cheyne, Introduction to Isa, 275). But these seem to be too near. In harmony with his reconstruction of Biblical history, Cheyne finally concludes that the reference here is to the return from a captivity in North Arabia (EB, under the word). While no certain decision is possible, probability points to the East, and China cannot be quite ruled out. See article "China," Encyclopedia Brittanica (11th edition), 188b.,%20Land%20Of

Note this fragment in the above


Here is another interesting ink supporting Australia as the "land of Sinim" the land of the South.


They will also return "from the land of Sinim", meaning (says Rashi and the Aramaic transliteration of Yehonathan) "From the Land of the South", and according to the Latin Vulgate translation from "Australia" (or "Australis"): [b]"Australis" in Latin means "the land of the south".[/b]
"Land of Sinim" implies 'Land of the Sini-people' since the suffix "-im" in Hebrew is the signification of plurality. The SINI were descendants of Canaan (1-Chronicles 1:15), son of Ham, and probably gave their name to the Sinai Peninsula. This is interesting since the Sinai Peninsula is not all desert as often supposed and in Biblical times supported a relatively large population from the Israelite Tribe of Simeon. The Sinai Peninsula was included in the Promised Land of Israel and in some respects is Geographically similar to Australia!

Interesting, Land of Sinim, land of the South. Land of Seven.


PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:35 pm    Post subject:

Dilmun - Land of the Living

Here is a link, linking Dilmun in Iran Between Elam and the straights of Ormuz on the Persian side.

That is very close to Dilmun/Babel submerged in the North Eastern Persian Gulf of Iran.

Getting very close here through observation of early archaeologists.

Just Google this keyword "JSTOR: Dilmun, the Land of the Living"

Just a little further North and they would be on the foundations of Babel.

Well I'm getting closer finding outside supporting views about the location of Dilmun from the late 1800's

I believe Dilmun in Bahrain is the 2nd Dilmun after the first was submerged. Where the culture of 1stDilmun of Iran was re-established in in Bahrain.

Also when you see words of Egypt like Amun, the mun part in the word I feel is a distant reflection the Dil-mun

Ahh thats just a hunch!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject:

Matthew 24

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Run!! for the hills!

The excerpt that intrigued me is "this gospel of the kingdom"

As far as I'm aware the Gospel that has been taught in the last 2000 years is "The Gospel of Jesus". However, even though this journey is directly related to the"Son of Man" It is definitely directly related to the "Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven" There is a distinction. To me this section points to the expanded message of Heaven which incorporates the "Kingdom of Heaven" where we are being led on to a journey to our origins.

Also I'm also fascinated by the next section of the verse in relation to the journey and what has been said in the last 4 years "shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;"

This is very interesting, consider that the research in the ancient books is all about our origins as inspired by the Books of religion and the UB. The information that encompasses this research is directly sourced from information of whose origins is the Kingdom of Heaven. By embarking on the journey of faith through the books and documenting everything that has been said in the the whole time has become a witness to the journey and discovery of the ancient places.

Its is a witness of the journey that has been revealed on the run to all the nations and the world with all information revealed, from the first day. It was never held back from mankind and was given away for man to embark on the journey through the demonstration of faith in the books of religion and by the Father.

As far as I'm concerned the whole journey to the ancient places fulfills the above verse. Its is an fulfillment, has to be! all the components match and are in the time line.

And what about this last section of the verse "then shall the end come." Well this does not need interpretation at all. When the mission to the ancient places is accomplished in full it will mean change and thats where the end will come. Change to all our knowledge, science, history and notably religion. Which means expansion through non violent expedition into mystery. These stones of real destiny. The seven commands. The very first covenant with man.

Resurrecting itself, of itself!


'm so certain that this is the path, the sevenfold path. The path of the Son of Man, Jesus in the great mystery and journey speaking to us through the books of all religion, especially the UB.

The you have this


15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Does mean that someone will desolate the places discovering the cities and stones and use it in the wrong way coupled with motivation of self grandeur? Does that become a desolation of our heritage in a past temple of the Father with its first covenant.

Then in Isaiah 49 you have this reference to the desolate heritage, Does this same desolate or submerged ancient places be given to the people that have there heart in the right place. Like as if there is a major shift that occurs rather suddenly?


for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

"shall the end come" with a new covenant. "to cause" The Father will cause it to happen, Jesus and everyone is involved and in charge of this. Inherit the desolate heritages The Fathers instrument of cause are the desolation of our origins, that is our heritage, our origins. The ancient places. That's where the stones of destiny lays and the adjudication I reckon will happen.


PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:07 am    Post subject: links to dilmun


Here is some interesting links about Dilmun and its general environment from around 14,000BC to 2500BC. Its where the tower of Babel was built.


River System 1a: Around 70,000 B.C., Mesopotamia and the Gulf area were warm, even warmer than today. More ice melted from the glacier zones in Anatolia (source of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers) and, as a result, the sea level was some 20-25 feet higher than today’s level. (4) The Persian Gulf must have covered much of what is today the Mesopotamia plain (Baghdad to the Gulf was submerged). After 70,000 B.C., the last ice age began. Temperatures fell, glaciers reformed in the higher altitudes in Anatolia, and the sea level began to drop, which included the Persian Gulf. The lowering of the sea level caused more and more land to emerge in the Mesopotamian plain.

Rivers on the plain, “seeing” a higher downslope gradient, began to incise deeper and deeper into their beds, thus creating river valleys. (4) By around 14,000 B.C., the rivers were maximally incised into their river valleys both in the Southern Mesopotamian plain and in the Gulf area, whose sea level had fallen some 120 meters (360 feet!). Thus, around 14,000 B.C., the Persian Gulf became a dry valley. “The original Euphrates and Tigris rivers emptied directly into the Gulf of Oman. In what is today’s Gulf several lakes mush have been formed. These lakes were ‘flow-through-lakes of the original river. (4)

The coastlines of the rivers and lakes provided possible areas for settlement for humans, particularly for nomadic groups, which would have encountered good fishing and hunting. Limited amounts of vegetation could have been grown along side the rivers in both the Mesopotamian region and along the whole Gulf axis, according to Nutzel.

River System 1b: The maximum cold was reached at 14,000 B.C., and then began the onset of the “Atlanticum”, the warm and wet subdivision of the Holocene epoch. The glaciers melted and the Gulf sea level ascended again. (Elsewhere, England once again became an island and northern Europe became very marshy.) Coastal settlements that earlier had been above sea level were drowned during the Atlanticum. The Gulf began to fill up with water, extending onto the continent once again in Southern Mesopotamia. (There were periodical “stops of transgression” in which the postglacial melting was interrupted. For example, in the 9th millennium B.C., the ocean “again released land for several centuries during the “Dryastime”.) (5) The course of the drowned rivers in the Gulf has been accurately located, according to Nutzel, although the courses of the ancient Euphrates and the Tigris rivers beneath the large amount of alluvium covering Lower Mesopotamia have not.

From the archeology perspective, extraordinary river flow evolved to flooding problems for settlers during the summer months from 14,000 B.C. to 5,500 B.C. If nomads retreated during the flooding into the Zagros Mountains in what is today Iran, they would have been safe, enjoying good hunting and fishing and vegetation cultivation along the widedn places of the “incised river system” especially in the alluvium that was beginning to accumulate in Lower Mesopotamia.

River System 2: Around 5,500 B.C., the sea level was still about 50 feet lower than it is today. The original river systems must therefore still have been “incised” into the Mesopotamia plain, says Nutzel. In the 4th millennium B.C. (4,000 B.C. to 3,000 B.C.), however, the rivers began to “braid” for two reasons. In 5,500 B.C., the sea level began to rise again, reaching about to the present level at around 4,000 B.C., and then kept rising, reaching in 3,000 B.C. about 10 feet above what it is today, filling up the river valleys in Southern Mesopotamia and then braiding out.

Here is a link about earliest Dilmun, the author seems to think that Dilmun could of been in 3 locations. She seem to indicate a location near Iran. which is most probable.

Google "The Tangible Evidence for the Earliest Dilmun"

and another excerpt about Arabia in faraway times

Google "The Emerging Picture of Prehistoric Arabia "

Here is a urantia link



The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun.

The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun, the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums.

Maybe the tablets should be taken of the shelves and re-examined.
Essentially what is expressed in the above confirms the locations in my view.


Im just thinking about Dilmun in Bahrain.

You see according to the UB Imhotep was an Andite, many Andites came from 1st Dilmun in Iran and 2nd Dilmun in Bahrain. Imhotep is the genius who built the great Pyramid in Egypt which contains many mysteries. He or his ancestors most likely came from Dilmun in Bahrain at around 2500BC when the great Pyramid was built.

Here is the UB info on Imhotep.



PAPER 80 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE OCCIDENT, The Egyptians very early assembled their municipal deities into an elaborate national system of gods. They developed an extensive theology and had an equally extensive but burdensome priesthood. Several different leaders sought to revive the remnants of the early religious teachings of the Sethites, but these endeavors were short-lived. The Andites built the first stone structures in Egypt. The first and most exquisite of the stone pyramids was erected by Imhotep, an Andite architectural genius, while serving as prime minister. Previous buildings had been constructed of brick, and while many stone structures had been erected in different parts of the world, this was the first in Egypt. But the art of building steadily declined from the days of this great architect.

Here is a link about 2nd Dilmun in Bahrain and the history of it civilization.

At around 3000BC 2nd Dilmun was a thriving location that had a large population. A moving population, the civilization was cultured and traded many goods world wide including China and other Eastern worlds.

To verify in the UB the existence of two Dilmuns is in this passage


The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun. The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun

What was the clincher for was this fragment "near the earlier city of Dilmun." implying that the earlier or the 1stDilmun was to the East of Dalamatia of the coast of Iran as discovered. Therefore the Dilmun in Bahrain as we know it today is the 2nd Dilmun. So in this reference
later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun
All three cites Dalamatia, near Dalamatia and not far to the east of Dalamatia you have 1stDilmun of Iran where the foundations of Babel stand and 2ndDilmun of Iran. At around 14,000BC weather and sea levels began to change and the Andite migrations began may beat around 5,500 BC, the first Dilmun was submerged where the sea wall breached. The inhabitants journeyed to the West to establish 2ndDilmun in Bahrain as we know it today.

This to me confirms the the information of what we know today of the ancient places including the images of of Dalamatia and Dilmun/Babel. Through careful examination of the UB texts who can read about the cities and see the first signs of the cities submerged of the Persian Gulf in the NASA images. To me these are the signs of the end of current knowledge through expansion.

Here is an Image of Dalamatia, the first city


Here is an Image of Babel in Dilmun.


Here is an Image of Dilmun, the second city.

The Sumerian's well knew of the first and second Edens but, despite extensive intermarriage with the Adamites, continued to regard the garden dwellers to the north as an alien race. Sumerian pride in the more ancient Nodite culture led them to ignore these later vistas of glory in favor of the grandeur and paradisiacal traditions of the city of Dilmun.


and a little more from the above Dry Persian Gulf link


III. Implications of Findings: Theories
Several theories have been advanced by researchers on the meaning of the data and information presented above. The first theories, developed by a group of researchers at The Australian National University in 1995, concern the enigmatic origins of the Sumerians: “The region at the northern end of the present Gulf and at the junction of the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers was settled by the early Sumerians during the fourth millennium BC but the origin of this civilization has raised many questions.

Whatever directions the search for answers may take, a significant element in the puzzle must be the evolution of the physical environment of the Gulf itself. For example, during Palaeolithic (before about 8000 years B.C.) and Mesolithic and Neolithic (from 8000 to about 5000 years B.C.) times much of the Gulf floor would have been exposed…and the broad river valley with lakes and marshes in the flatter regions, would have formed a natural route for people moving westwards from east of Iran. Is this the route traveled by the ancestors of the Sumerians? Another example is that excavations at Ur and elsewhere have led to evidence of a flooding event at about 4000-3000 B.C. and it is tempting to associate the Sumerian `Flood' legend with the peak of the Holocene transgression during the flooding of the low-lying delta region when sea levels rose perhaps a few meters above present between about 6000 and 3000 years B.C.” (6)

The second theory, posited by Theresa Howard-Carter in the 1981 Journal of Cuneiform Studies, states that “the original Gulf inhabitants lived along the banks of the lower or extended Shatt al-Arab, ranging some 800 km across the dry Gulf bed. We can thus postulate that the pre-Sumerian cultures had more than ample time to be born and flourish in a riverine stetting, encouraged by the agricultural potential and the blessings of a temperate climate.

The fact that the body of proof for the existence of these societies must now lie at the bottom of the Gulf furnishes at least a temporary excuse for the archaeologist’s failure to produce evidence for their material culture.” (7,8,9)
IV. Conclusion

Sea levels have a history of instability over time. Human societies have a long history of adapting successfully to the changes in sea level.




PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject:

I'm looking into Enoch how he was born in the Seventh Month, 1st week of July


1 In the year 500, in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month in the life of Enoch. In that Parable I saw how a mighty quaking made the heaven of heavens to quake, and the host of the Most High, and the angels, a thousand thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, were 2 disquieted with a great disquiet. And the Head of Days sat on the throne of His glory, and the angels and the righteous stood around Him. 14/07/07

Focalising on this fragment "seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month in the life of Enoch" In the above link you can see the 14 day in the second week is important and represents a shift.

Looking at the above "on the fourteenth day" and then looking at the 2 week of Enochs judgment below we find some interesting things that are further described. In the above is a judgment and in the below is a first end. What is above may be the ultimate solution.



Enoch 93
4 And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness,
And deceit shall have sprung up;
And in it there shall be the first end.

And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up,
And a law shall be made for the sinners.

mmm! still thinking about it but intriguing I wonder what the first end is?

Would that relate to Jesus which was an end. How the same could be said about Dalamatia that would be the first end in our history. Both are related in type and in metaphor regarding spiritual shift? in this latter journey to the end!, the first end and then unrighteousness grows..and in the second end the same occurs like in NOW!

interesting time stamp Thu Jun 14, 2007


PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: on the road to Dilmun

Here is article I found on


Africa: Seven - Number of the Goddess

The East African (Nairobi)

22 May 2007
Posted to the web 22 May 2007

Philip Ochieng

NGUGI WA THIONG'O'S Wizard of the Crow is a cauldron of pure magic. One item of thaumaturgy in the book is the pervasive reference to seven - a figure whose mystical power held captive the minds of ancient gentile communities for thousands of years.

Unfortunately, a novelist is not called upon to explain literary symbols that he uses. The reader must come to grips with it from the setting and the plot. It is thus a cinch that Ngugi's allusions have gone over the heads of most readers in the world of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Such readers have met with the figure seven on one dramatic occasion. It is in the creation scene, set in Sumeria, in which, after six whole days of what is apparently exhausting "creative labour", God rests on the seventh day and thereafter imposes it on mankind as a holy day.

I'm not sure if it has significance but I thought it was interesting, an article coming out of Kenya from a chief and his thoughts on Seven and its relationship with the bible.

It seems to me that seven, the marker of the Father is very key and important link in this journey and its perpetuated in every opportunity by the Father in the Bible throughout history. You know Seven is more than just a symbol its a key link in final time, I'm sure of that. Perhaps a link between the Father, the thought adjuster and man, instrumental in the final reality. just some thoughts! It could be an essential sign to the end times and a key figure, perhaps we just have to see where the journey leads us in order to substantiate these thoughts!.

Here is another interesting and compelling excerpt out of the article


For, Sitchin goes on, "In Mesopotamia [the term seven] was applied to the Seven Who Judge, the Seven Sages, the seven gates of the Lower World, the seven tablets of Enuma Elish...." He writes that the supreme god Enlil was, indeed, the origin of the tradition. The Sumerians affirmed again and again that "Enlil is Seven."

How interesting! Seven is an important figure in judgment by the Seven. This is in Mesopotamia, no wonder there are many sevens in the Bible that was brought across by the captives in there books in there editing of the Books. Where you have Mesopotamian ideas introduced following the Sevens feature.. I suppose the question is who is Enlil?


Here is something I found here at this link about Enlil and Dilmun


When Enlil was a young god, he was banished from Dilmun, home of the gods, to Kur, the underworld for raping a young girl named Ninlil. Ninlil followed him to the underworld where she bore his first child, the moon god Sin (mythology)|Sin. After fathering three more underworld deities, Enlil was allowed to return to Dilmun when Ninlil admitted that it was her plan to seduce him all along.

Enlil was also known as the[b] inventor of the pickaxe/hoe(favorite tool of the Sumerians) and the cause of plants growing.
He used be in the possession of all the holy Me, until he gave them to Enki for safe keeping, who summarily lost them to Inanna in a drunken stupor.[/b]

Interesting, Obviously I was impressed with the association to Dilmun, the home of the Gods and Enlils banishment and return to Dilmun. One thing for sure there events that occurred created a shift in the administration of the Gods. The story of Enlil raping Ninlil and bearing a child called Sin, the God Sin. I wonder if that has overtones of the child Cain, a child that came from an unholy alliance. Cain, the moon God...possibly! However you look at it. an act was made that shouldn't have happened and so the child a held bare to that original action by being called Sin. Today we use the word Sin in association with some wrong doing. Perhaps Sin is a perpetuate remembrance of this original act?

Certainly worth a thought Perhaps the mark of Cain is associated with the word Sin which ran down the ages to this day Cain was a product of the default and he grew up in the 2nd Garden. He was banished to the East of the Second Garden to the land of Nod I reckon I'm close here in the original birth of Sin or the original sin so to speak of Adam and Eve and its reflected in the Enlil story and it does have direct reflections to Cain. You know compared to the story in the Urantia Book version of the Adam and Eve default and its a complete match in characters and events and what occurred and the fact that Enlil was exiled out of Dilmun is the exact reality that happened to Adam and Eve who were exiled out of the first garden of 1stEden of Cyprus Mediterranean.

Spot on connection in metaphor to real events that occurred to those days and is coming to light Now!

Also from another connection I made in an earlier post was that Nimrod or Nod built 1st Babel from the Bible and Babel as discovered in the UB and in the images Babel is in Dilmun.

Its all connected and what I see is all links coming together to make the complete story.

Also interesting is that Adam according the UB rendition introduced the hoe and other instruments to man and greatly improved his resources and knowledge. He also developed many food varieties he introduced to the world that, we still partake of many of them today. However many varieties of fruits, nuts and veggies have been lost since then.

He basically uplifted man on many levels even in his fallen state he did his best under the circumstances.


The Holy me means, the truth, the knowledge.

Here is the UB link on the default of Adam and Eve

Here is an excerpt from the same article


When, with the political rise of Babylon as the centre of a great empire, Nippur yielded its prerogatives to the city over which Marduk presided, the attributes and the titles of Enlil were largely transferred to Marduk. But Enlil did not, however, entirely lose his right to have any considerable political importance, while in addition the doctrine of a triad of gods symbolizing the three divisions—heavens, earth and water—assured to Enlil, to whom the earth was assigned as his province, his place in the religious system.

Its funny because as I was reading about Enlil I was thinking how this sounds very much like Marduk as I know was related to Adam in character and is confirmed in the UB.

Here is the UB link and some info on Marduk



* line 107: with the Hebrews it was, in general, Adam's return as a material ruler. In Babylon the god Marduk was a perpetuation of the Adam legend, the son-of-God idea, the connecting link between man and God. Following the appearance of Adam on earth, so-called sons of God were common among the world races.


PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:02 pm    Post subject:

More to story.



As India gave rise to many of the religions and philosophies of eastern Asia, so the Levant was the homeland of the faiths of the Occidental world. The Salem missionaries spread out all over southwestern Asia, through Palestine, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Iran, and Arabia, everywhere proclaiming the good news of the gospel of Machiventa Melchizedek. In some of these lands their teachings bore fruit; in others they met with varying success. Sometimes their failures were due to lack of wisdom, sometimes to circumstances beyond their control.


By 2000 B.C. the religions of Mesopotamia had just about lost the teachings of the Sethites and were largely under the influence of the primitive beliefs of two groups of invaders, the Bedouin Semites who had filtered in from the western desert and the barbarian horsemen who had come down from the north.

But the custom of the early Adamite peoples in honoring the seventh day of the week never completely disappeared in Mesopotamia. Only, during the Melchizedek era, the seventh day was regarded as the worst of bad luck. It was taboo-ridden; it was unlawful to go on a journey, cook food, or make a fire on the evil seventh day. The Jews carried back to Palestine many of the Mesopotamian taboos which they had found resting on the Babylonian observance of the seventh day, the Shabattum.

Although the Salem teachers did much to refine and uplift the religions of Mesopotamia, they did not succeed in bringing the various peoples to the permanent recognition of one God. Such teaching gained the ascendency for more than one hundred and fifty years and then gradually gave way to the older belief in a multiplicity of deities.

The Salem teachers greatly reduced the number of the gods of Mesopotamia, at one time bringing the chief deities down to seven: Bel, Shamash, Nabu, Anu, Ea, Marduk, and Sin. At the height of the new teaching they exalted three of these gods to supremacy over all others, the Babylonian triad: Bel, Ea, and Anu, the gods of earth, sea, and sky. Still other triads grew up in different localities, all reminiscent of the trinity teachings of the Andites and the Sumerians and based on the belief of the Salemites in Melchizedek's insignia of the three circles.

Never did the Salem teachers fully overcome the popularity of Ishtar, the mother of gods and the spirit of **snip** fertility. They did much to refine the worship of this goddess, but the Babylonians and their neighbors had never completely outgrown their disguised forms of **snip** worship.

It had become a universal practice throughout Mesopotamia for all women to submit, at least once in early life, to
Page 1043 the embrace of strangers; this was thought to be a devotion required by Ishtar, and it was believed that fertility was largely dependent on this **snip** sacrifice.

The early progress of the Melchizedek teaching was highly gratifying until Nabodad, the leader of the school at Kish, decided to make a concerted attack upon the prevalent practices of temple harlotry. But the Salem missionaries failed in their effort to bring about this social reform, and in the wreck of this failure all their more important spiritual and philosophic teachings went down in defeat.

This defeat of the Salem gospel was immediately followed by a great increase in the cult of Ishtar, a ritual which had already invaded Palestine as Ashtoreth, Egypt as Isis, Greece as Aphrodite, and the northern tribes as Astarte.And it was in connection with this revival of the worship of Ishtar that the Babylonian priests turned anew to stargazing; astrology experienced its last great Mesopotamian revival, fortunetelling became the vogue, and for centuries the priesthood increasingly deteriorated.

Melchizedek had warned his followers to teach about the one God, the Father and Maker of all, and to preach only the gospel of divine favor through faith alone.

But it has often been the error of the teachers of new truth to attempt too much, to attempt to supplant slow evolution by sudden revolution.

The Melchizedek missionaries in Mesopotamia raised a moral standard too high for the people; they attempted too much, and their noble cause went down in defeat. They had been commissioned to preach a definite gospel, to proclaim the truth of the reality of the Universal Father, but they became entangled in the apparently worthy cause of reforming the mores, and thus was their great mission sidetracked and virtually lost in frustration and oblivion.

In one generation the Salem headquarters at Kish came to an end, and the propaganda of the belief in one God virtually ceased throughout Mesopotamia. But remnants of the Salem schools persisted. Small bands scattered here and there continued their belief in the one Creator and fought against the idolatry and immorality of the Mesopotamian priests.

It was the Salem missionaries of the period following the rejection of their teaching who wrote many of the Old Testament Psalms, inscribing them on stone, where later-day Hebrew priests found them during the captivity and subsequently incorporated them among the collection of hymns ascribed to Jewish authorship. These beautiful psalms from Babylon were not written in the temples of Bel-Marduk; they were the work of the descendants of the earlier Salem missionaries, and they are a striking contrast to the magical conglomerations of the Babylonian priests.

The Book of Job is a fairly good reflection of the teachings of the Salem school at Kish and throughout Mesopotamia.

Much of the Mesopotamian religious culture found its way into Hebrew literature and liturgy by way of Egypt through the work of Amenemope and Ikhnaton. The Egyptians remarkably preserved the teachings of social obligation derived from the earlier Andite Mesopotamians and so largely lost by the later Babylonians who occupied the Euphrates valley.

Obviously there was much immorality going on in Babylon through various rites and cults and was in opposition with the Salem ideas of one God through faith alone!

I'm thinking that's where the term "Harlot of Babylon" came from in its original form and was a reflection of those undesirable practices in there fertility rites that where performed in the temples as described by the Melchizedek followers. Certainly sounds relevant. The use of this term is in revelations. The Harlot of Babylon is drunk on the blood of the martyrs which is probably a reflection of the rise of different cults in those in rebellion against the One God Melchizedek believers concept. Maybe this is a reflection of those events over time and has perpetuated today.

I'm convinced that a solution is at hand and the refining will only leave the truth left.

It will like the Isaiah and the Baal and One God contest on that mount.

Based on the fragment below, we can see the evidence of aspects of Babylonian thoughts in the Bible through the use of Seven and observances depicted in this fragment.


The Jews carried back to Palestine many of the Mesopotamian taboos which they had found resting on the Babylonian observance of the seventh day, the Shabattum.

I can well understand this to be a shock for some but there is evidence of editing and bringing back of books from Babylon like through Prince Burach and the editing of Jeremiah 600BC that we saw in a earlier post. As for me seeing this, I'm not worried about it at all and to me it takes nothing away of the very fine truth that is found in the Bible and all the other books. I can well understand the reviewing of the books in those times and yet the truth has still persisted and has keep very intact overtime. In such a way that it is leading us on a very fine journey of mystery and intrigue that I believe is in real time. Remembering this period is a refinement of books and fire of truth and what is left is the truth and nothing but the truth and I can tell you that it leads to Jesus, the messiah! I'm sure of this and its all connected to our heritage and the desolation of the heritages. The ancient places where the Earth saga all began. Its a history lesson.

It really is incredible that what we have in our hands is a final product that stems for thousands of years back to our origins. The religions we have today in one way or another is a product of this huge evolution of religion. What Jesus did was uplift the final version into a very consistent truth that is continually being uplifted through the revelations of the Father.

I find it amazing that we are in this time right now!! That we were born for this right stuff!! Who reads this. All events that occur on the world stage of action from now on is in a different light because we know and we have consciousness of the Stones of Destiny, the cities and the message in the journey and we know that the forces of Paradise are activated because we know about the stones and everything! The final mystery, its becoming more apparent as we journey through the light of the mind and soul. We are realizing things, coming to the surface of realisation. All that happens is under a different light as there is another force of Paradise revealing itself each day as we journey to the ancient places of our heritage.

This is brilliant what is happening. If this is true and correct we all going to be very joyous and happy. Spot on! The best part, Jesus and the angels are right with us, guiding us through the sea in flight of peace. I tell you, there is nothing like this happening on the whole planet.

When that stone is cut out of the mountain, it will fill the whole earth.

Exactly right, when the stones of the seven commands are found in the temple it will fill the earth of the Fathers truth and glory and Jesus is right there. That is the meaning!

It really makes no difference who discovers the seven commands because we know, through our witness of the journey and the truth about the seven commands and that is the main thing, the journey of faith! God and Man working together in faith in this all time epic that will be held in the annals of mankind written in the stones of history in the kingdom of heaven.




PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject:

I was drawn to this fragment in the above post


Still other triads grew up in different localities, all reminiscent of the trinity teachings of the Andites and the Sumerians and based on the belief of the Salemites in Melchizedek's insignia of the three circles.

Another place where the 3 circles is used is in the tale of Plato's Atlantis which was a city set in a plain and had canals that ran from the sea inland to City that had a circular design. The City of Atlantis was divided in 3 canal systems. The central abode being the temple or the Acropolis Hill or the mountain.

This is the a very similar description of Dilmun/Babel layout as seen in the NASA images as in the earlier posts. You can actually see canal systems and sea walls running towards the foundations of Babel in Dilmun the same as Atlantis. However, I'm not sure if there where 3 canal systems in Babel, so far cant tell. Regarding the 3 circles, In symbolism it does depict the Melchizedek symbol as in the 3 concentric circles as described in Atlantis story and what is the circular outline of Babel and its canals running to the sea. The circles maybe the connection that ties that mystery within this journey another path through the Atlantis path.

Here is what I think is Atlantis which is Babel in Dilmun original home of the Andites

With rising sea levels over time they built upwards to maintain there culture and homelands. However when the breach occurred as mentioned in Isaiah they city fell and was deserted. A little different in going down in one day. It was a gradual process over time and then suddenly the breach. However Dalamatia and 1stEden was a different case in the initial destruction of there respective cities.  It was due to tectonic movement.

and look at this canal system in Babel from this perspective


"What we already know in the beforehand in this time of what is to occur is already past history, we are in the portal of eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven"


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject:

Interesting site


And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those who escape to the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud,who draw the bow,to Tubal, and Javan, to far off islands, that have not heard my fame, nor have they seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the nations. And they shall bring all your brothers for an offering to the Lord from all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon fleet camels, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, says the Lord, as the people of Israel bring an offering in a clean utensil to the house of the Lord. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says the Lord. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, says the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that every new moon, and every sabbath, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the Lord. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against me; for their worm shall not die, nor shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be a loathing to all flesh." (Isaiah66:10-24)

taken from the above

And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those who escape to the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud,who draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to far off islands, that have not heard my fame, nor have they seen my glory;

After viewing the above I wondered what if I rearranged a few words as I could see familiar syllables. So this is what I got.


Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, who draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to far off islands,

Tarshish --- Tu -- (bal-Pul-Lud) = Babel-Ludd or Babel/Babelot/Babelod(who draw the bow!) -- to -- Javan, to far off islands

Tarshish to Babel-Lud (who draw the bow!) to Javan and far of islands,

the circuit of the message and the transmission of the sign, that is set among the nations. Like, It will emanate among the nations like the ancient places emanating from within the middle east in the Persian Gulf.

set a sign among them,

shall declare my glory among the nations.

holy mountain

And what about this promise!

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, says the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

It also speaks of escape obviously from conflict as we today. Like an event occurs but its a very different event.

Exactly whats going on in the journey! Everything matches all components!

And while we are looking at Babel here is an excerpt out of the Wisdom of Jesus.



11 How shall we magnify Zerubbabel? He was like a signet on the right hand,

12 and so was Jeshua the son of Jozadak; in their days they built the house and raised a temple holy to the Lord, prepared for everlasting glory.

Again we see exactly the same connection to Babel in the journey. its like Jesus and Babel. Jesus deals with the end at the beginning.


III call this the sevens code ahahah!

I thought that was rather incredible, the possibility of some hidden message or riddle contained in these words. I was staring at this for a while and thinking what if, looking at the syllables if I rearrangement them which may convey something that was relevant in the journey since the excerpt is about end times. I proceeded and was quite surprised, I could see the words Babel-ludd.


Those who find us in the passage point to Ezekiel 38:13 which says that “the merchants of Tarshish and all its villag­es” (or “young lions” depending on translation) will speak out against the invasion. The argument is that Tarshish is Britain and the “villages” or “young lions” are the English speaking nations like the U.S. and Australia that were foun­ded by British immigrants.

To say the least, this is a highly imaginative interpreta­tion. Its validity is seriously questioned by the fact that no one knows for certain the true identity of “Tarshish.” Fur­ther­more, recent archaeological develop­ments indicate that Tarshish was most likely Spain, not Brit­ain.

Even though the author admits his interpretation is speculative. I thought to my self why not! The author believes that Tarshish in the end times could signify immigrants of the US and Australia which makes sense to me considering the revelation driving this comes the US in Book form and this message comes from the land of Sinim in our times, it makes all sense to me.

A metaphor to Ancient Places that is sending a bow with what I presume an arrow of truth in it and the bow has been realized by the Javan or Adamson culture in far of islands which includes Australia and the US. People in the Australia and the US are mainly of Javan/Adamson descent, Adamson, the first son of Adam, the Javan means the Young an important link!?, the young civilisation, the younger of Adam! The eldest son of Adam. The Adamson civilisation as depicted in the Urantia Book admixed with the Adamite (Adam) progeny further south in Northern Mesopotamia . The Bow of truth seems to be emanating from the ancient places and reflected back from the island from afar from the young, the Javan in the good ole land of Sinim/Oz, in the message and through the journey and discovery! right on mankind!

I was thinking that perhaps, the sign that is set in those places is activated in those places, the sign seems to be related to the multiple ancient locations and the truth of these places are reflected from far away islands on the globe in discovery. Whilst the above is about the recent times after Jesus I feel it has the same meaning in this time in reflection to the ancient places in the Persian Gulf. No one has seen the glory of these places.



Prophet Isa (Jesus) Peace be upon him (Jesus son of Mary peace be upon them) will descend before the key battle and kill Dajjal at Bab-e-Ludd (Gate of Ludd). ...

Its all the same story and message from different books


PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: Dilmun, land of the living

Here is an extract out of the wikipedia on
Uqair (Ogair)

It reveals interesting information about Dilmun


Dilmun of the Sumerians

Gerrha was preceded by the well established and proven civilization of Dilmun (4000 - 2000 BC) that has been confirmed to be on the northern tip of Bahrain. It is during their zenith that they controlled the oceanic trading routes to the Indies and were the trading link to the Indus Valley and Mesopotamia (Area Handbook for the Persian Gulf States, 1st Edition, p. 11). To the Sumerians, Dilmun was the land of immortality and the god of Abzu - the second sea of fresh water that lay beneath the gulf and was believed to flow from the Tigris and Euphrates under the ground to present Bahrain - in the land called Enki. "Dilmun founded a maritime network unrivaled for its breadth by any other in the early days of man's world ... it was home of the Utunaphitism, who survived the flood, it was soapstone for figurines, alabaster for bowls, carnelian heads beads, cowries and pearls ... it was copper and lapis lazuli." (The Sumerian Connection, ARAMCO World, Jon Mandaville/Michael Grimsdale March/April 1980). Dilmun is the "Paradise Land, the original home of the gods, the archetypical Holy Land" that the hero Gilgamesh goes to in his epic journey, the "most important and universal of all Sumerian literary bequests to posterity." (Dilmun Discovered, Michael Rice, P. 7).

I was drawn to this section "the second sea of fresh water that lay beneath the gulf " In other words Dilmun lays between 2 seas or two bodies of water, perhaps on a peninsula dividing one body of water in to two 2 bodies of Water.

If you closely at the following image of Babel in Dilmun. You will, see that the tower, Babel and the city appears to be built on a peninsula splitting a body of water into two. I would suggest that the body of water within the peninsula is fresh water that was used for irrigation and commerce. Also note this fragment on the above fragment " "Dilmun founded a maritime network unrivaled for its breadth by any other in the early days of man's world" This is demonstrated by the network of canals that ran from the sea to the tower which was the commercial base.
and look what the Urantia book says about Bablot and of purpose.



"2. The next largest faction wanted the tower designed to commemorate the Dilmun culture. They foresaw that Bablot would become a great center of commerce, art, and manufacture."

and the reason for Babel


3. THE TOWER OF BABEL 100,000 years ago

After the submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved north and east, presently founding the new city of Dilmun as their racial and cultural headquarters. And about fifty thousand years after the death of Nod, when the offspring of the Prince's staff had become too numerous to find subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding their new city of Dilmun, and after they had reached out to intermarry with the Andonite and Sangik tribes adjoining their borders, it occurred to their leaders that something should be done to preserve their racial unity. Accordingly a council of the tribes was called, and after much deliberation the plan of Bablot, a descendant of Nod, was indorsed.



Bablot proposed to erect a pretentious temple of racial glorification at the center of their then occupied territory. This temple was to have a tower the like of which the world had never seen. It was to be a monumental memorial to their passing greatness. There were many who wished to have this monument erected in Dilmun, but others contended that such a great structure should be placed a safe distance from the dangers of the sea, remembering the traditions of the engulfment of their first capital, Dalamatia.

2nd Babel

About twelve thousand years ago a second attempt to erect the tower of Babel was made. The mixed races of the Andites (Nodites and Adamites) undertook to raise a new temple on the ruins of the first structure, but there was not sufficient support for the enterprise; it fell of its own pretentious weight. This region was long known as the land of Babel.


1st Babel in Dilmun, 100,000 years
2nd Babel in Dilmun 12,000 years (2nd Attempt)
3rd Babel, Baghdad area? maybe 4000 years ago?(3rd attempt)

Which incidentally was the mythical City of the Gods top the West of 1stDilmun. Like in the legend of Atlantis. Atlantis to West beyond the pillars of Heracles or simply pillars at the gates of the city of Dilmun. The land of the Andites. The reason they the Nodites built the tower was a remembrance of there passing glory because of admixation. perhaps

Here is another view of the Canal systems from Babel, Dilmun. It really matches the Atlantis description on many counts. Its funny because the Dilmun legend of Dalamatia layed to West of Dilmun which is absolutely true, No doubt beyond the west of there own pillars and gates of Dilmun on the shores of the Persian Gulf then. Its interesting that the Dilmun Atlantis or Dalamatia in there legends when down under a tidal wave due to tectonic plate movement, as in the Atlantis story the legendary Atlantis, like Atlantis went down in one day and night.

Not to mention the canals in this image

From earlier observations of Dilmun what is seen in the images so far seems to match 1stDilmun submerged of the coast of Iran.


2. The eastern or Elamite Nodites. The culture and commerce advocates migrated in large numbers eastward into Elam and there united with the mixed Sangik tribes. The Elamites of thirty to forty thousand years ago had become largely Sangik in nature, although they continued to maintain a civilization superior to that of the surrounding barbarians.

After the establishment of the second garden it was customary to allude to this near-by Nodite settlement as "the land of Nod"; and during the long period of relative peace between this Nodite group and the Adamites, the two races were greatly blended, for it became more and more the custom for the Sons of God (the Adamites) to intermarry with the daughters of men (the Nodites).

3. The central or pre-Sumerian Nodites. A small group at the mouth of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers maintained more of their racial integrity. They persisted for thousands of years and eventually furnished the Nodite ancestry which blended with the Adamites to found the Sumerian peoples of historic times.

and in the following Van and Amadon are the builders of 1stEden before Adam and Eve arrived. His ensign is the 3 co-planar circles as on the top of the Acropolis Hill in 1stEden, Cyprus and at his headquarters in Eastern Iran. The 3 coplanar circles can be seen there.



4. The northern Nodites and Amadonites--the Vanites. This group arose prior to the Bablot conflict. These northernmost Nodites were descendants of those who had forsaken the leadership of Nod and his successors for that of Van and Amadon.

Some of the early associates of Van subsequently settled about the shores of the lake which still bears his name, and their traditions grew up about this locality. Ararat became their sacred mountain, having much the same meaning to later-day Vanites that Sinai had to the Hebrews.

Ten thousand years ago the Vanite ancestors of the Assyrians taught that their moral law of seven commandments had been given to Van by the Gods upon Mount Ararat.

They firmly believed that Van and his associate Amadon were taken alive from the planet while they were up on the mountain engaged in worship.

Mount Ararat was the sacred mountain of northern Mesopotamia, and since much of your tradition of these ancient times was acquired in connection with the Babylonian story of the flood, it is not surprising that Mount Ararat and its region were woven into the later Jewish story of Noah and the universal flood.

About 35,000 B.C. Adamson visited one of the easternmost of the old Vanite settlements to found his center of civilization.



The postrebellion era on Urantia witnessed many unusual happenings. A great civilization--the culture of Dalamatia--was going to pieces. "The Nephilim (Nodites) were on earth in those days, and when these sons of the gods went in to the daughters of men and they bore to them, their children were the `mighty men of old,' the `men of renown.'" While hardly "sons of the gods," the staff and their early descendants were so regarded by the evolutionary mortals of those distant days; even their stature came to be magnified by tradition.

This, then, is the origin of the well-nigh universal folk tale of the gods who came down to earth and there with the daughters of men begot an ancient race of heroes.

And all this legend became further confused with the race mixtures of the later appearing Adamites in the second garden.


interesting information about the sets of Sons of Gods and their admixation with other nearby races. We can see these reflections in our books of religion


Here is a crop circle made on June 7th

Strange Crop Circle - Wiltshire,
UK Reported 7th June


and note the 3 coplanar circles at the base, the Van ensign.


now look at the temple at Vans Headquarters


actually look at the layout of the highland headquarters

and now note the 3 coplanar rings, the seal of Van

The Adamson civilisation

latest crop circles

In this story could be the extinct Fandor from 30,000 years ago as mentioned in the Urantia Book

Gigantic bird-like dinosaur stirs debate

BEIJING — The dinosaur world's latest star had a toothless beak, waved feathered arms incapable of flight and may have hunted only plants. But if you met Gigantoraptor erlianensis in a Mongolian forest 70 million years ago, best to have given it a wide berth. At more than 16 feet tall and roughly 3,000 pounds, the beast could stand eyeball-to-eyeball with a tyrannosaur, Chinese researchers say.

The bones of what its discoverers call the world's largest birdlike dinosaur were revealed Wednesday in Beijing. The announcement came two years after the remains were dug from a mud hill near the Inner Mongolian city of Erlian.

Most theories suggest carnivorous dinosaurs shrank as they grew more birdlike. This latest find is about 35 times heavier than other similar feathered dinosaurs, called oviraptors, which rarely exceeded a body mass of 88 pounds.

"This could be the largest ever species to have feathers," says Xu Xing, the lead scientist behind the discovery, reported in the journal Nature.

"Some experts may not believe this dinosaur had feathers, as it is so big, and we did not find traces of feathers, but from the evidence we unearthed … we are confident in our research," Xu, 38, says.

Gigantoraptor erlianensis "is a very cool dinosaur, a very interesting find," says paleontologist Thomas Holtz Jr. of the University of Maryland. The previous largest oviraptor was the size of a horse. Most oviraptors are about as large as a child. "And this new one is the size of a tyrannosaur. I mean, whoa, that's large," Holtz says.

Yet it was not even fully grown. "It was 11 when it died, and at the growth stage of a high school graduate, so it still had some growing to do," Xu says.

Plenty more research needs to be done, Xu says. The long neck and small head suggest a plant eater, yet its sharp claws resemble those of a carnivore.

The Gobi desert area of northern China, bordering Mongolia, where Gigantoraptor erlianensis was unearthed, is a famously barren landscape today. But back in the Late Cretaceous period, "it was an ideal place for dinosaurs, with lakes, plenty of vegetation and a hot climate," says professor Tan Lin, vice director of the Longhao Geology and Paleontology Research Institute of Inner Mongolia, who co-wrote the study and was present at the discovery.

Good fortune followed the team at the time of the discovery in April 2005. Japanese television station NHK was interviewing Xu and Tan "when one of our team unearthed some bones for the cameras," Tan says.

The 7.8-inch thighbone seemed unusually large, and further digs in July produced more bones and the realization this was something extraordinary.

"In 41 years of dinosaur hunting, this is my top discovery. I was so excited," Tan recalls. "We all got drunk on King of Grasslands," a Mongolian brew.

The nearby city of Erlian (Erenhot in Mongolian) is hoping to cash in. "We are the world hometown of dinosaurs," the city's Communist Party boss, Zhang Guohua, says proudly. "We are building a new dinosaur museum and the world's first dinosaur street, lined with 50 statues" of dinosaurs.

Dinosaur-themed parks and museums are springing up all over China, Tan says. "There is a real dinosaur fever in China now. It is aimed at tourism but also to protect our dinosaur resources."

Contributing: Dan Vergano


An artist's impression of the newly discovered Gigantoraptor erlianensis. tanding over 5 meters (16.4 feet) tall, and weighing in at 1,400-kilograms (roughly 3,000 pounds), the beast could eyeball a Tyrannosaurus Rex.

An artist's impression of the newly discovered Gigantoraptor erlianensis. tanding over 5 meters (16.4 feet) tall, and weighing in at 1,400-kilograms (roughly 3,000 pounds), the beast could eyeball a Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology & Paleoanthropology, Beijing via AP


PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject:

Hey Joer,

How you going? Well I hope.

I think the UB says 30,000 years ago, the Fandor became extinct.

But I thought it was an interesting article where I thought the bird could of been related if not a Fandor.

Maybe they where extinct in China 60,000 years ago, Im not sure.

Well as far as the research is concerned, in the last 2 weeks, Ive been going beserk. You can see the posts here.

This is only for those interested, mind you its only research. The places still have to go through physical scrutiny.

Me personally, I feel I'm coming to an end in the research regarding the ancient places. Although I'm sure there are heaps more threads out there. As far as I'm concerned its a matter of going out there. Thats the frustrating part, the long long wait to journey out there, thats if it occurs.

I'm sure it will be somebody else that will go there anyway. Most likely the government of Iran in stealth or on the quite, its in there waters. If I get out there it will be a bloody miracle, the greatest miracle. ahahahaha!

O well, its like sitting out a long, long winter, waiting waiting.

I must say with the link in the above, I am disappointed that Christians never had more to say about these places. There is plenty of viewings, the only response I got in exchange for 1000 lines is 1 line saying "Its not from the Bible so it has no value! What a laugh!

Well I must say no response is quite normal, however I must thank the UB brothers who responded with generosity, for sure, the only brotherhood of individuals that gave a support for the journey and for that I thank you guys.

I just hope people get some value out of this and I hope its not a waste of energy. Someday we will see if this has been a complete waste of effort or worthy of the time and efforts. Mind you, the pearls that are contained in this work came without holding back and no one had to a pay a dime for it! Nor did anyone have to sacrifice a single thing least of all there financial and personal sovereignty.

If I am dead on accurate I must say the response from man in general has less than worthy. I really thought mankind would get excited and interested but instead nothing much at all!

I tell you if these places connected to a sever judgment, there is going to be allot very fearful people thats for sure. Particularly those who know but show no regard to the signs. I would say most of the western world would be deep crap! If a correction is severe! It maybe because of mans lack of interest and couldn't give a hoot attitude.

Displaying no faith and disregard!

Essentially the rebuilding of the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem was in type to the situation we have here with all the same characters involved. But this preparation, in this time, is for everlasting glory not this transient mean nothing attitude of the world who couldn't lift a finger to do anything useful for the Father. Couldn't even respond constructively to the things of the Father, be it either edit or deletion.

Anyway, see what happens!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:47 pm    Post subject:

I think these are the judgment papers of the Urantia Book.

I thought it was to important not to reveal.

Paper 151

It was a beautiful paper about Parables and I learnt quite alot considering what I look into and how I look into it.

But I was encouraged by these following highlighted pieces.



The next day Jesus again taught the people from the boat, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while he slept, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and hastened away. And so when the young blades sprang up and later were about to bring forth fruit, there appeared also the weeds.

Then the servants of this householder came and said to him: `Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? Whence then come these weeds?' And he replied to his servants, `An enemy has done this.' The servants then asked their master, `Would you have us go out and pluck up these weeds?' But he answered them and said: `No, lest while you are gathering them up, you uproot the wheat also. Rather let them both grow together until the time of the harvest, when I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn and then gather up the wheat to be stored in my barn.'"

After the people had asked a few questions,

Jesus spoke another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed which a man sowed in his field. Now a mustard seed is the least of seeds, but when it is full

Page 1694 grown, it becomes the greatest of all herbs and is like a tree so that the birds of heaven are able to come and rest in the branches thereof."

"The kingdom of heaven is also like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, and in this way it came about that all of the meal was leavened."

"The kingdom of heaven is also like a treasure hidden in a field, which a man discovered. In his joy he went forth to sell all he had that he might have the money to buy the field."
(How true is this Parable parallels to the journey of the ancient places, it all that matters.)

"The kingdom of heaven is also like a merchant seeking goodly pearls; and having [b]found one pearl of great price, he went out and sold everything he possessed that he might be able to buy the extraordinary pearl."[/b]
(This comes from St Ephraim 300AD, eastern Christian church, Hymn of the 7 pearls. Also implies 2 discoveries of great pearls as in the ancient cities)

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a sweep net which was cast into the sea, and it gathered up every kind of fish. Now, when the net was filled, the fishermen drew it up on the beach, where they sat down and sorted out the fish, gathering the good into vessels while the bad they threw away."
(This to me sounds like the harvest time or even subtle reference to judgment or some transition of correction also note the sea and finding or discovering in the sea which is most likely the place, in the sea.)

Many other parables spoke Jesus to the multitudes. In fact, from this time forward he seldom taught the masses except by this means. After speaking to a public audience in parables, he would, during the evening classes, more fully and explicitly expound his teachings to the apostles and the evangelists.

Again as explained in the Paper 151 and through the journey, many people can see many things in Parables and in scripture including mythology. Like in the hidden things I see in the words of scripture consistent with the journey. Its like a journey of a mystery contained in the books and in the commonality in the focalisation.

In the following to me is all about the end times that we are in. To me its a description of the the journey and perhaps a change/transition.


Before he dismissed the group for the night, Jesus said: "Now will I tell you the last of the parable of the sower.

I would test you to know how you will receive this: The kingdom of heaven is also like a man who cast good seed upon the earth; and while he slept by night and went about his business by day, the seed sprang up and grew, and although he knew not how it came about, the plant came to fruit. First there was the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear. And then when the grain was ripe, he put forth the sickle, and the harvest was finished. He who has an ear to hear, let him hear."

Many times did the apostles turn this saying over in their minds, but the Master never made further mention of this addition to the parable of the sower.

and this section that touched me


"My beloved, you must always make a difference in teaching so as to suit your presentation of truth to the minds and hearts before you. When you stand before a multitude of varying intellects and temperaments, you cannot speak different words for each class of hearers, but you can tell a story to convey your teaching; and each group, even each individual, will be able to make his own interpretation of your parable in accordance with his own intellectual and spiritual endowments. You are to let your light shine but do so with wisdom and discretion.

No man, when he lights a lamp, covers it up with a vessel or puts it under the bed; he puts his lamp on a stand where all can behold the light.

Let me tell you that nothing is hid in the kingdom of heaven which shall not be made manifest; neither are there any secrets which shall not ultimately be made known. Eventually, all these things shall come to light.

Think not only of the multitudes and how they hear the truth; take heed also to yourselves how you hear. Remember that I have many times told you:

To him who has shall be given more, while from him who has not shall be taken away even that which he thinks he has."


PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:47 pm    Post subject:

In the following, I thought is a veiled warning from Jesus. I feel its important that should be focused on. Yesterday, I felt down about the whole thing particularly the lack of response and the lack of participation. Last night I was invited by a couple of UB readers to come over and read a paper. We read paper 151 as in the following link.

After reading Paper 151 and coming across all the messages contained lifted me up and inspired me.

Here is an excerpt I would like to explore.


Let me tell you that nothing is hid in the kingdom of heaven which shall not be made manifest; neither are there any secrets which shall not ultimately be made known. Eventually, all these things shall come to light.

Think not only of the multitudes and how they hear the truth; take heed also to yourselves how you hear. Remember that I have many times told you:

To him who has shall be given more, while from him who has not shall be taken away even that which he thinks he has."

Let me tell you that nothing is hid in the kingdom of heaven which shall not be made manifest; neither are there any secrets which shall not ultimately be made known. Eventually, all these things shall come to light.

Absolutely, the ancient places as mentioned in the UB is completely consistent with the journey to the ancient places, the submerged cities of Dalamatia and 1stDilmun. These are the secrets with hidden messages that have been found and identified and revealed in fragment form in all the books of religion. The revealing of these places are the hidden secrets of the planet and particularly the "Seven Commands" they are the real secret related to future destiny. They are coming to light as each day passes, step by step we are journeying to the ultimate destiny of the planet.

And what about this next piece. I believe this the veiled warning to everyone including religions considering the Father is no respecter of anyone. No matter who!

Think not only of the multitudes and how they hear the truth; take heed also to yourselves how you hear. Remember that I have many times told you:

To him who has shall be given more, while from him who has not shall be taken away even that which he thinks he has."



"Think not only of the multitudes and how they hear the truth; take heed also to yourselves how you hear."

Take heed no matter who you are. Don't underestimate anything in this research particularly through pride and prejudice. The division of Pride and prejudice is going to be the biggest obstacle for mankind. This discovery, I believe will break the back of pride and prejudice. If there is a response from Paradise, that will break the back of terrorism on all sides, known and unknown, no matter from which country. The Father will respect no persons if the the spirit of the Father cant be found within man, I believe the holy spirit! I would think that would be the identifying feature within mans soul that the Father would search mans soul for and the fruits of the spirit and his faith condition I suppose.

I believe what will be identified is the motivation, what drives us. Good or bad. No one escapes from this as the barriers of religion will come crashing down. Into one complete presentation.

This can be confirmed by the following


To him who has shall be given more, while from him who has not shall be taken away even that which he thinks he has."

Wow! What about that powerful warning, from Jesus himself. It couldn't get more direct. I tell you, I would seriously consider informing others about this time, a time of humility and be willing to learn more and more about the "Kingdom of Heaven" and its approach.

I would inform others on all levels of government and in religion that is coming up and its appears to be solid and measurable. Not to mention it can be found in the books. I mean we are in the beforehand, this is time to do all you can. While there is great opportunity! While the harvest is ripe for the harvest. The harvest of mankind! Harvesting for the Father in Paradise and within us. In union with the holy spirit.

I got off track, lets look at this

"To him who has shall be given more, while from him who has not shall be taken away even that which he thinks he has."

To whom that hears, sees and does will receive more and be given more. Well I can testify to that in this journey. However this may apply for those who proclaim to know but accept nothing else through pride and prejudice. They close there minds because of fear of doctrine where they think they have all but refuse instruction. Perhaps they loose what they been given even they though they think they are safe and have inheritance.

Fair Dinkum!! all the churches should be informed about this and other religions and really examine themselves in all areas of truth, finance and particularly motivation. Thats seems to be the key. The motive of action and what drives the inner man in his inner thoughts! Its time for burying the hatchet and self examine according to all the advise given by Jesus found in all the books including the UB. We all believe in Jesus.


Paper 170 The Kingdom of Heaven.

On this afternoon the Master distinctly taught a new concept of the double nature of the kingdom in that he portrayed the following two phases:

"First. The kingdom of God in this world, the supreme desire to do the will of God, the unselfish love of man which yields the good fruits of improved ethical and moral conduct.

Page 1861

"Second. The kingdom of God in heaven, the goal of mortal believers, the estate wherein the love for God is perfected, and wherein the will of God is done more divinely."

Jesus taught that, by faith, the believer enters the kingdom
now. In the various discourses he taught that two things are essential to faith-entrance into the kingdom:

1. Faith, sincerity. To come as a little child, to receive the bestowal of sonship as a gift; to submit to the doing of the Father's will without questioning and in the full confidence and genuine trustfulness of the Father's wisdom; to come into the kingdom free from prejudice and preconception; to be open-minded and teachable like an unspoiled child.

2. Truth hunger. The thirst for righteousness, a change of mind, the acquirement of the motive to be like God and to find God.

Jesus taught that sin is not the child of a defective nature but rather the offspring of a knowing mind dominated by an unsubmissive will. Regarding sin, he taught that God has forgiven; that we make such forgiveness personally available by the act of forgiving our fellows. When you forgive your brother in the flesh, you thereby create the capacity in your own soul for
the reception of the reality of God's forgiveness of your own misdeeds.

This to me is the direct instruction from Jesus and his standard for this time for all times in the future. In the above is the standard, the standard of faith! which leads to the paths of glory with the Father.

I think what is expressed in the above seems quite reasonable in this requirement for us to pass  through this. This really means burying old things, in the past, present and future. I can think of a few things!

See what happens next but to me there is a real message in this path. A real standard has been revealed in my view in relation to the end times.


PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject:



I would test you to know how you will receive this: The kingdom of heaven is also like a man who cast good seed upon the earth; and while he slept by night and went about his business by day, the seed sprang up and grew, and although he knew not how it came about, the plant came to fruit. First there was the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear. And then when the grain was ripe, he put [b]forth the sickle, and the harvest was finished. He who has an ear to hear, let him hear." [/b]

Remember, the complete research in this whole thread is about the test of Mankind, The test of Faith, where all the books are put on the table for examination against the beforehand discovery of journey and discovery of the ancient places. The test of mankind that I proclaimed in July 4th, 06 where one month later, I discovered Enoch 10 week judgment that began in the first week of the Seventh month which in the seventh part the ancient places was discovered in one night through NASA software.

To me that was absolutely defining and relevant to the conversation at the time and has not changed since. Now we approaching the time period one year later. I think its quite significant!

Particularly, when you look at the below fragment where Jesus in his own words refers to a test, a test he is the tester. Jesus is admitting the fact that he will test us.


I would test you to know how you will receive this: The kingdom of heaven is also like a man who cast good seed upon the earth;

Incredible that I found this fragment at this time. That Jesus is going to test us and that is the test of mankind, the test of faith! that will result in something measurable, definable. Mind you regarding, the test have found heaps of references to the test in the dead sea scrolls and through other books.

It was around the time when I found that references to the test was propping in the research where the inspiration of the test came to the surface. However in the timeline, I remember I was so annoyed with the terrorism that I did the declare test to the Ancients of Days. A proclamation regarding the ancient places.

Well anyway the fragment "I would test you to know how you will receive this:"

The test of faith, the great test of mankind, the test of Jesus, the author!, the author of enlightenment and expansion through a life situation in the middle of world events. Right in the middle of the saga!

I believe if man ignores this and does nothing I reckon he will get his behind severely kicked. Don't underestimate nothing in what is happening here. We could be closer than you think. No one needs money to go there because Paradise might just take it in there own hands and cause it to happen.

I just want to say that Jesus tested many people as we read about his life.

I would also examine his various tests he put people through.

All we have to do is follow the advise of Jesus through all his books in faith. Sit back and have confidence that Jesus is in charge of this and explore a new spiritual frontier where man has never gone before. A real leap for mankind and the Father.



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