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I'm interested in the word "with the aid
of a mehoqeq", mehoqeq
From the Following Zadokite extract
And these men 'dug the well'-that well whereof it
is written, 'Princes digged it, nobles of the people delved it, with
the aid of a mehoqeq' [Num. 21.18]. The 'well' in question is the Law. They
that 'digged' are those of Israel who repented and departed from the land of
Judah to sojourn in the land of Damascus'.
According the following information from the
following link
Their notes explain their
reasons. These are quite instructive as a quick diversion as this illustrates
a very important principle about the biblical manuscripts, namely, there is
not a simple uniform Massoretic text underlying the Hebrew Bible. Various
manuscripts have various readings, which most certainly effect their meanings,
even down through history.
They read shophet for
+p# in the first line as "judge," or "charismatic leader" and following
Albright perhaps shephet (Ugaritic tpt) and compare the
Septuagint arxwn "Archon." [This "archon" is used many times in Genesis of
Pharaoh, as well as in Exodus, as well as for others in this "commander"
position i.e. Gen. 12:15, 14:7, 25:16, 27:29, 34:2, 42:6, 45:8, 47:5, 49:10,
20, Exo. 2:14]
The qqxm mehoqeq
in the second line reads as "commander." In
Judges 5:14 the "commander" stands in parallel not with the shebet, but
with the wielder of the shebet. Isa. 32:22 uses the two terms
synonymously which supports their emendation here.
The Mehoqeq
reading as "commander" is made certain in other Hebrew texts, such as
Deut. 33:21; Judges 5:14 (cf. Judges 5:9, hoqeqe, an abbreviation of
mehoqeq), and Isa. 33:22. The meaning isn’t as clear in Numbers 21:18 and
Ps 60:9 = Ps. 108:9. Morphologically this word should mean "one who issues
a hoq, i.e., a commander.
On the line where they read
"Nor a commander from among his standards," they note that the Samaritan
gedaliw is "his standards," or "his battle flags", hence the
entire phrase reads "from the midst of his banners." (Cross, Freedman,
p. 57, notes 31-33).
In relation to the journey to the
ancient first places it appears that a spiritual commander who wields the
sceptre or the shebet actually helps the physical discoverers, discover the
Seven commands. The Seven commands that are submerged under water as indicated
within the above fragment from the Zadokite document.
The image that seems to be
projected is that the Seven commands and the cities will be discovered and
princes and all kinds of high level individuals see for themselves the submerged
cities.
Further on in the paper we see
more definitions of the interpreter of the law.
Klaus Berger shows that the
Star of Jacob (Numbers 24:17) is explained in the Dead Sea Scrolls as the
"Interpreter of the Law." The scepter
that shall arise out of Israel is identified with the "Prince of the
whole congregation." (Klaus Berger, Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls: The
TRUTH Under Lock and Key?Westminster John Knox Press, 1995:83). This hrwtb
#rd #y) , ish doresh wetorah,"Interpreter of the Law,"
is considered to be an eschatalogical figure, who is to appear with the
Branch of David at the end of days. (John J. Collins, "Teacher and
Messiah? The One Who Will Teach Righteousness at the
End of Days,""in The Community of the
Renewed Covenant: The Notre Dame Symposium on the Dead Sea Scrolls,
Ed. Eugene Ulrich and James Vanderkam, Univ. of Notre Dame Press, 1994:
194).
and further on we read more
information about the last interpreter of the law.
J. G. Heintz notes that there are three
criteria for the "Royal Ideology" of Ancient Israel.
The first motif is the Israelite King’s
function as the re-presentative of God. (Ps. 8:5, "You have made him almost
like a god.")
The second motif is that of the sovereign
bringing salvation acquires a juridical and ethical
significance. This refers to the continuity of the ordinances of
Yahweh and to the historical event of the
Mosaic Law. It is from this continuity
that the Davidic king draws his
legitimacy and his function as
agent of law and justice
(Isa. 9:6; 11:3-5; Jer. 23:5; 33:15; Ezek 37:24; Zech 9:9-10).
The third motif is being the "son of the king."
This figure appears in the prophetic oracles
and bears hope for all of Israel, which is
their aspiration for humanity, to be sons of the King.The announcement of the birth of the
Messiah in oracular prophetic texts
(Isa. 7:14; 9:1-6; 11:1-8; Micah 5:1-3) Combines these motifs. Rev. 22:16,
which actually combines both Numbers 24:17, and Isa. 11:1, shows this theme as
being both fundamental and quite permanent. "I Jesus… I am the root and the
offspring of David, the bright morning star." (J. G. Heintz, "Royal Traits
and Messianic Figures: A Thematic and Iconographical Approach," in The
Messiah, Charlesworth, pp. 65-66).
This scepter, is the "Prince of the
Congregation," in the scrolls. Collins notes
"there is a clear reference here to a royal messiah." (Collins,
The Scepter and the Star: The Messiahs of the Dead Sea Scrolls and other
Ancient Literature,Doubleday, 1995: 80).
The Damascus Document interprets Numbers 21:18
– "The princes digged the well, the nobles of the people digged it, by the
direction of the lawgiver, with their staves." Thusly:
"the well is the Law [the Torah, the
First five books of Moses], and those who dug it were the converts of
Israel who went out of the land of Israel to sojourn in Damascus….
The Stave is the interpreter of the Law."
(Collins, p. 22). Notice the Stave is the Interpreter of the Law.
Furthermore, the language of Hosea 10:12
"until he comes and teaches righteousness for you" which the
Damascus Document draws from, is applied to Elijah the Tishbite in
later Jewish tradition. The eschatalogical Interpreter of the Law should be
identified with Elijah. The Dead Sea Scrolls CD VIII 18 identifies the
"star" of Balaam’s oracle (Numbers 24:17) as
"the Interpreter of the Law," who will come ()bh) to Damascus. This
is an allusion to 1 Kings 19:15 where Elijah is told "Go return on your way to
the wilderness of Damascus; when you arrive you shall anoint King Hazael as
King over Aram." This recalls the later Jewish tradition that Elijah would
anoint the Messiah in Justin’s Dialogue with Trypho. (John J.
Collins, "Teacher and Messiah? The One Who Will Teach
Righteousness at the End of Days," in The Community of the
Renewed Covenant, p. 206). The anointing for sin is specifically assigned
to the messiah(s) of Aaron and Israel (l)r#yw Nwrh) xy#m, Mashiach
ahron weyisrael) (see Collins, Scepter and the Star, p. 115).
N. Wieder shows that the mehoqeq
refers to the Interpreter of the Law in regard to whom Isaiah said
He bringeth forth a
vessel for his work.
(Isaiah 54:16). (Wieder, "The ‘Law-Interpreter’
of the Sect of the Dead Sea Scrolls: The Second Moses," in Journal of
Jewish Studies, Vol. 4-5, (1953-54): 159).
In relation to this being Elijah, note the
first part of the verse! "Behold, I have created the smith (#rx, charash,
a worker of metal, wood, or stone, the Hebrew word pointed #$rexe is a
sorcer, a magician a #$xala Nwbn: "skilful enchanter," (Gesenius Hebrew-Chaldee
Lexicon of the Old Testament, p. 310, entry # 2791) that bloweth the
coals in the fire…"
The above seems to reflect the journey in that
the main topic of the conversation is about the Seven commands connected to the
law and to an historical event, like a discovery of the lost cities all
connected to each other and seen in the books. Also I opened the Office of
the Messiah based on the journey and from what I recently read. Being
inspired I acted and opened the office thus acting as an agent.
"He
bringeth forth a vessel for his work"
To me
this seems to indicate that the interpreter of the law will manifest prove of
his role in this end time saga, he will bring forth a vessel for his work,
perhaps in metaphor this means that a Vessel will be involved in the
Journey to the submerged first places to retrieve the 7 commands.
that bloweth
the coals in the fire…" The
research highlights the truth about everything about the planet and opens the
treasure houses, the crowns of truth. The fire is the coals and the
constant digging for the truth only blows more energy on the coals of truth,
The flame of truth get bigger and bigger.
This recalls
the later Jewish tradition that Elijah would anoint the Messiah"
Could this reflect the recent opening of the office
of the Messiah in the physical through this website. Like some
pre-preparation?
Paul writes, "Christ is the end
(Gr. telos or goal) of the Law so that there may be righteousness for
everyone who believes. Moses describes in this way the righteousness
that is by the Law: "The man who does these things will live by them." But
the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart,
'Who will ascend to heaven?'
" (that is, to bring Christ down) "or
'Who will descend into the
deep?'
" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what does it say?
"The word is near you; it
is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are
proclaiming: -- For it is with your heart that you believe and are
justified, and it is with your mouth that you
confess and are saved -- there is no difference between Jew and
Greek." (Rom. 10:4-12)
and
Verse 4 of the same chapter
speaks of Israel exiled to the "ends of heaven", and the Targum of
Jonathan explains that they are returned "by the
high priest Elijah
and he collects them
from them by the Messiah-King."
Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:17 am
A fragment from the Zadokite Document
Quote:
the future reward of the faithful (B.
xx, 27-34)
Howbeit, all that hold fast to these enactment's, going and coming
in accordance with the Law; that hearken
to the voice of the Teacher; that make
confession before God, saying:
Just and truthful are Thy judgments against
us, for we have done wickedly, both we and our fathers, in that we have gone
contrary to the statutes of the Covenant;
all who raise not their hands against His holy statutes or His righteous
judgments or His truthful ordinances; all who learn the lessons of the
former judgments wherewith the men of the community
were adjudged in time past; all who give
ear to him who imparts the true interpretation of
the Law and who do not controvert the right ordinances when they hear
them-all of these shall rejoice and their hearts shall be strong, and
they shall prevail over all that dwell in
the world. And God will accept their atonement, and because they took
refuge in His
holy name they shall indeed see
salvation at His hand.
I thought this was interesting "because they took refuge in His holy name they shall indeed see
salvation at His hand" Sometime I
think is that a literal reflection Salvation or the end times being written
out on the internet through the branches. I wonder if this indeed reflects the
recording of the progress of the end times through a keyboard, at his hand to
the first places. Perhaps being guided through the mystery. This does
include the message attached to the first places.
Also we are taking refuge in his name and being guided by
Jesus.
from Paul
Quote:
But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who
will ascend to heaven?' " (that is, to bring Christ down) "or 'Who
will descend into the deep?'
Just sounds like another reflection of translation and connection to the deep
like a major discovery.
Sevens
Page 224 -- The Creator Sons seem to possess
a spiritual endowment centering in their persons, which they control and which
they can bestow, as did your own Creator Son when he poured out his spirit
upon all mortal flesh on Urantia. Each Creator Son is endowed with this
spiritual drawing power in his own realm; he is personally conscious of every
act and emotion of every descending Son of God serving in his domain. Here
is a divine reflection, a local universe duplication, of that absolute
spiritual drawing power of the Eternal Son which enables him to reach out to
make and maintain contact with all his Paradise Sons, no matter where they may
be in all the universe of universes.
Page 381 -- And when such a life of spirit
guidance is freely and intelligently accepted, there gradually develops within
the human mind a positive consciousness of divine
contact and assurance of spirit communion;
sooner or later "the Spirit bears witness with your
spirit that you are a child of God."
Already has your own spirit told you of your kinship to God so that the record
testifies that the Spirit bears witness "with your
spirit," not to your spirit.
Page 1130 -- Religion is functional in the
human mind and has been realized in experience prior to its appearance in
human consciousness. A child has been in existence about nine months before it
experiences birth. But the "birth" of religion is not sudden; it is rather a
gradual emergence. Nevertheless, sooner or later there is a
"birth day." You do not enter the
kingdom of heaven unless you have been
"born again" -- born of the Spirit. Many
spiritual births are accompanied by much anguish of spirit and marked
psychological perturbations, as many physical births are characterized by a
"stormy labor" and other abnormalities of "delivery." Other spiritual births
are a natural and normal growth of the recognition of supreme values with an
enhancement of spiritual experience, albeit no religious development occurs
without conscious effort and positive and individual determinations. Religion
is never a passive experience, a negative attitude.
Page 1112 -- Revelation teaches mortal
man that, to start such a magnificent and intriguing adventure through space
by means of the progression of time, he should begin by the organization
of knowledge into idea-decisions; next, mandate wisdom to labor unremittingly
at its noble task of transforming self-possessed ideas into increasingly
practical but nonetheless supernal ideals, even those concepts which are so
reasonable as ideas and so logical as ideals that the (Spirit of the Father)
dares so to combine and spiritize them as to render
them available for such association in the finite mind as will constitute them
the actual human complement thus made ready for the action of the Truth Spirit
of the Sons, the time-space manifestations of Paradise
truth--universal truth. The co-ordination of idea-decisions, logical ideals,
and divine truth constitutes the possession of a righteous character,
the prerequisite for mortal admission to the
ever-expanding and increasingly spiritual realities of the heavenly worlds.
Isaiah 42:1-4
Behold my Servant,
whom I hold fast; my chosen, in whom my heart delights.
I set my spirit upon him, he will
declare the judgment to the nations.
He will not cry out
nor raise his voice; he will not shout in the streets.
A bruised reed he will not break, and a dimly burning wick he
will not quench.
Faithfully he will declare the judgment.
He will not faint
and he will not be crushed, until he has set the judgment
on the earth.
And the
coastlands wait for his instruction.
Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:38 am
Quote:
Isaiah 49:8-13 At the time of my favor I
will answer you; in a day of my salvation I will help you.
I have kept you. I will give you as
a covenant for the people, to
rouse up the earth,
to cause to inherit
the forgotten
heritages.
Saying to the prisoners, 'Come forth,'
and to those who are in darkness, 'Show yourselves.' They shall feed along
the way; on all the bare heights shall be
their pasture.
They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither scorching wind nor sun shall
smite them. For he that has pity on them
It all about this journey, everything, to the letter concerning all aspects,
the forgotten heritages and the Covenant, the Seven Commands.
This is it, its totally confirmed in my view.
Quote:
In the Dead Sea Scrolls "the fount of
understanding was hidden and
the secret of truth. . ."
and
Quote:
shall lead them, even by
the springs of water shall he guide them.
And I will make all my mountains a way,
and my highways shall be exalted.
Behold, these shall come from far: and
lo, these from the north and from
the west; and
these from the
land of Sinim.
Sing, for joy, O heavens; and exalt, O earth!
Break forth O mountains into singing. For Yahweh has comforted his
people, and will have compassion on his afflicted.
They way I see the North and the West are the two major locations of the
submerged first cities, The Persian Gulf Cities and the 1stEden of Cyprus.
The discovery and Revealing of these places mainly the Persian Gulf
submerged cities comes from the Land of Sinim...land of Oz. the east. The
journey is a path and has messages that point to a transition into a new
Epoch before light and life.
The Springs of the water, is reflective of the truth found in the books
guiding the discoveries along the way, the journey. The journey will exalt
the glory of the Lord in the discovery and journey. It will make a way and a
path. The knowledge of the places will come from afar and from different
areas of the planet. The truth fragments in the books of all religion is the
guiding water coming from the springs of truth.
Through me has Thou illumined the faces of full many,
And countless be the times Thou hast shown Thy power
through me.
For Thou hast made known unto me Thy
deep, mysterious things, And hast shared Thy secret with me and so shown forth Thy power;
And before the eyes of full many this
token stands
revealed,
That Thy glory may be shown forth, and all living know of Thy power.
Again all reflections of the journey top the ancient places all in metaphor
to the deep and mysteries things and a token is to be discovered and
uncovered which stands to be revealed and also confirms the research
undeniably.
Its about the Seven commands or a major artifact including the cities.
The Token is the Seven Commands!!
yea!
more about tokens
Quote:
Psalm 65:8 (Read all of Psalm 65)
They also that dwell in the
uttermost parts are afraid at
thy tokens: thou makest the outgoings of
the morning and evening to
rejoice
Quote:
Genesis 9:12 (Read all of Genesis 9)
And God said, This is the token of the
covenant which I make between me and you
and every living creature that is with you, for
perpetual generations:
and
Quote:
Genesis 9:13 (Read all of Genesis 9)
I do set my bow in the cloud, and
it shall be for a token of a covenant
between me and the earth.
and
Quote:
Genesis 9:17 (Read all of Genesis 9)
And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the
covenant, which I have established
between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
The Seven Commands is the token to be remade to the remnant for the future
generations. There is a constant reminder in the past about the token of the
Covenant. I believe this journey and discovery of the lost Seven commands is
the token for a new covenant.
Quote:
2 Thessalonians 1:5 (Read all of 2 Thessalonians 1)
Which is a manifest token of the
righteous judgment of God, that ye
may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God,
for which ye also suffer:
Here is a search on Discovered to see some reflections
Quote:
2 Samuel 22:16
And the channels of the sea appeared,
the
foundations of the world were discovered, at
the rebuking of the Lord, at the
blast of the breath of his nostrils.
Its seems to reflect the discovery of the foundations and associated with a
major rebuke from the Lord.
Again we see the same reflection in metaphor of the discovery of the
foundations in Ezekiel
Quote:
Ezekiel 13:14
So will I break down the wall that ye
have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so
that the
foundation thereof shall be discovered,
and it shall fall, and
ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof:
and ye shall know that I am the Lord
and
Quote:
Psalm 29:9
The voice of the Lord maketh the hinds to
calve, and discovereth the forests: and
in his temple doth every one speak of his glory.
Sevens
Hi
Here is perhaps an African Dogon Connection to the journey in symbolism and
uncanny connections.
I saw the video, there where some parts that I found very interesting and from
my prospective in my research I found a few interesting parallels.
A couple of points that I found of interest was the, the 40 day period between
Jesus' death and the destruction of Jerusalem and that judgment or the end of
the world system from what I can tell the judgment was from one Sabbath to
another in a week, like in Enoch.
However, I think they are mistaken in there arithmetic because 33AD - 70 AD =
37 years. However they must have another calculation?
However I do find in my research that the 40 day period is significant in the
last time in the process over time..
Sometimes I wonder, as we reflect on the past whether the 40 days as mentioned
everywhere is significant in the last days and as also with the Sabbath or the
Seventh, seven. Perhaps the importance of it is really a type for the future
and last reality construct before change with all the components and
characters in place, in name and in time period, the 40 days, the same
situation we see with Noah, the 40 days it rained on the earth. I'm thinking
that the whole bible from end to end really points into the past only to point
to the future and the final construct with parts in place.
I don't think going to church on Sundays is the point but is a reflection of
the future with God telling us from the past to remember this as this mindal
image is significant to the transition and its purpose in the future..
Like the sorting of Genes of the Seed of corruption through a process or time
period.
You know the world have no idea of what s coming up, in the situation as I see
now we have the components in place in the right sequence. maybe!
Even if this was the right construct that Im presenting, I think all
Christians will reject it and go with there man made doctrine from their
pastor who virtually knows nothing from all there espousing that I read on the
net. This maybe a very bad mistake.
Ah the guy who put the video together should back to math classes.
all the best
sevens
Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:18 am The claim
of the lands of the Father
Ive been thinking about this lately and in faith.
I claim for the Father and Paradise, Dalamatia City the first capital, 1stEden
the second capitol and the 2 Dilmuns to the possession of the Father and the
office of the Messiah unto his purposes in the use of these places. The
ancient cities and the messages in scripture are based on the Urantia Book
fragments including all the books of religion.
Just staking the claim for Jesus, the ancient places for his purposes in the
Planetary administration of this planet for Paradise purpose.
As far as I'm concerned the Father in Paradise owns these places. I'm sure the
Angel of the Gate stands at the ready, ever ready. I'm sure the holy ones
stand there gilded in light of the Father from within. I believe he takes
possession of all the ancient places and therefore creates a legal basis of
the places for paradise purpose.
Essentially The Father is in possess of what was his, especially the 1st and
2nd temples of the Father from eras unknown to man.
The spirit of the lands of the Father is Mateship it is a term used in the
Land of Sinim that reflects friendship and loyalty between brothers and
sisters or Mates, a term used in the culture of the land of Sinim. Mateship
(friendship) is the technique that is used between brothers that evolved
during the early convict days and during the early settlement periods in the
building of the new land Sinim, people bonded together as mates in order to
survive, the Mateship culture has continued to exist to today an is the main
reason for the success of Sinim.
This same culture of Mateship on the highest level of appreciation exists
right up to the Paradise deities and is the basis for the runnings of all the
universes However, its is not a club but an expression of love for all and of
one another in order to edify him and to give him strength in a time of need
and to help him which includes all brothers and sisters. Its part of the
Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of mankind Its open to all and in my
mind is the spirit of which this research is given, based on Love for the
Father and Mateship for my fellow brother. This spirit of mateship is the base
foundation in the lands of the Father just claimed.
all the best mate!
Sevens
Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:48 am
Jewish interpretations of Isaiah 53
Those that are in favour of a messiah:
Maimonides, a letter to Yemen, 12th century
Quote:
What is to be the manner of Messiah's advent, and where will be the
place of his appearance? . . . And Isaiah speaks similarly of the time when
he will appear, without his father or mother of family being known, He came
up as a sucker before him, and as a root out of the dry earth, etc.
But the unique phenomenon attending his
manifestation is, that all the kings of the earth will be thrown into terror
at the fame of him -- their kingdoms will be in consternation, and
they themselves will be devising whether to oppose him with arms, or to
adopt some different course, confessing, in fact,
their inability to contend with him or ignore his presence, and so
confounded at the wonders which they will see him work, that they will lay
their hands upon their mouth; in the words of Isaiah, when describing
the manner in which the kings will hearken to him, At him kings will shut
their mouth; for that which had not been told them
have they seen, and that which they had not heard they have perceived.
Quote:
The Babylonian Talmud
The Messiah -- what is his name?...The Rabbis say, the leprous one; those of
the house of Rabbi say, the sick one, as it is said, "Surely
he hath borne our sicknesses." (Sanhedrin 98b)
Posted:
Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:09 am Post subject:
Concerns about the current end time perceptions
Hey Joer
Thanks for the reply, your post made alot of sense to me.
Ive been reviewing a few things about end times and in what Jesus said about it.
As you probably know Ive been trying to work this end time thought out and
reading into the majority of scriptures imply the transition seems to be severe. But
then you read this piece in the below and it appears to be about transition and it seems to me
that the transition doesn't seem to be as severe looking from what Jesus says.
Here is the piece from the UB
Quote:
"Today you see this
fulfilled before your eyes. But you shall not see the remainder of the
Psalmist's prophecy fulfilled, for he entertained erroneous ideas about the
Son of Man and his mission on earth. My kingdom is founded on love,
proclaimed in mercy, and established by unselfish service. My Father does
not sit in heaven laughing in derision at
the heathen. He is not wrathful in his great displeasure. True is the
promise that the Son shall have these so-called heathen (in reality his
ignorant and untaught brethren) for an inheritance.
And I will receive these gentiles with open arms
of mercy and affection.
All this loving-kindness shall be shown the so-called heathen,
notwithstanding the unfortunate declaration
of the record which intimates that the triumphant Son `shall
break them with a rod of iron and dash them to pieces like a potter's
vessel.'
The Psalmist exhorted you to `serve the Lord with fear'--I
bid you enter into the exalted privileges of divine sonship by faith;
he commands you to rejoice with trembling;
I bid you rejoice with assurance. He says, `Kiss the Son, lest he be
angry, and you perish when his wrath is kindled.'
But you who have lived with me well know
that anger and wrath are not a part of the establishment of the kingdom of
heaven in the hearts of men. But the
Psalmist did glimpse the true light when,
in finishing this exhortation, he said:
`Blessed
are they who put their trust in this Son.'"
I was interested in this piece
My Father does not sit in heaven laughing in derision at the heathen. He is not
wrathful in his great displeasure. True is the promise that the Son shall have
these so-called heathen (in reality his ignorant and untaught brethren) for an
inheritance. And I will receive these gentiles with
open arms of mercy and affection.
All this loving-kindness
shall be shown the so-called heathen,
notwithstanding the unfortunate
declaration of the record which intimates that the triumphant Son `shall
break them with a rod of iron and dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.'
As you now much doctrine has been built around these erroneous pieces
highlighted by Jesus. Especially the dashing to pieces with a rod of Iron. It
seems to me that the transition will be based on revelation rather than Smashing
to pieces the brass , the clay and the gold and so forth.
Based on the above you could throw out much doctrine about the end times.
I was wondering what you thought about the above piece. I can recall about 4
books that rely on this pieces, especially Daniel. I'm thinking are they wrong
the books and interpretation that use this reference as a basis??
Now I'm thinking if its through revelation and not through something severe like
what is mentioned in Judgment or even the whole notion of judgment, then I think
what would Jesus reveal that would jolt man into thinking about eternal issues
of himself.
I just look at the example of the ancient places and the journey to it including
1stEden. I just feel the support to the the places from humanity in general, on
the overall is just simply pathetic. For something so big as this I think the
response to these places and has been just dismal failure in terms of enthusiasm
and lets go there and do something. Nothing!
Apart from you and 7 others in there encouragement that's about all.
I honestly cant believe it! Nothing against no one. There are so many pearls out
there I couldn't even give them away that's how hopeless it is! Everyone else
are just fence sitters.
So I figure if this kind of things falls in a heap in a revelatory sense. I just
wonder if man would even recognize Jesus if he came back?? I think to myself
what about all the evil people are just brimming to the top of this vessel.
Jesus comes back on a cloud with an army and then its business as usual with him
trying to convince people about a revelation and no justice is meted out
clearing the decks.
Anyway see what happens but that comment has been on mind.
Jeez and what about the &^%hole gene and those people who go around murdering
everyone and all that rubbish that go es on everywhere on the planet.
Sevens
Sevens
Posted:
Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: The
Wishlist
No worries Joer
No worries maybe I over speculated and perhaps the research stands to be
corrected in light of what I have read and what I see now in the Urantia piece
from Jesus.
I suppose the best thing to do is to sit on the fence and see how it develops.
Least there are a few target there, it might take many years before someone goes
out there.
I must admit Ive been pushing the research hard and maybe the universe is
telling to slow down and take it easy. I gotta have a laugh at mans enthusiasm
when he thinks he finds something of great worth as in the pearl of great price.
Be it right or wrong you just got love it, mans willingness upon what he thinks
is a great discovery to take it the enth degree, to have a go, try it out, test
the range. Least I gave it shot or least I tried to get to the truth of the
matter.
I suppose you never know if you don't have a go! in trying to piece this final
mystery together. I must say it has been an exhilarating journey but has cost me
everything I suppose. There is just nothing left except this daunting that I
see. Just this wall of barrier that one has to overcome on the spiritual level
and to carry all this disappointment and then cope to overcome.
You know there is no love in this or very little of it. It just sapped up into
stress and the material, there definitely no seventh part at all, on this planet
now, maybe in the future but certainly not now. Its a really cruel and hard
world there joer my friend.
I just hope Jesus comes soon I really hope soon man. There is just no way out of
this planet death destruction except for Jesus.
He is the only way out, there is absolutely no way out of this except for Jesus
to come soon. How it happens I have no idea.
I honestly thought the ancient places was the key to the advent but it might be
just a sightseeing venture where someone will just make money out of it and
reduce it some unworthy spectacle.
I would certainly like to plug away with the ancient places but I think Ive
taken to the limit at this stage. The next stage would be to investigate this
properly for that I don't have funds and that would have to be raised. But since
no has faith and worried in there own lives this will go for years and years.
I'm not sure if I have the time so it better that it out there now least its a
thread that can be taken to the next level.
However uncovering truth there is risk and who is willing for that step in
faith. I chuckle at the various complexities to this.
Well if no one goes there III have to create a business from nothing and from
behind that will raise the funds to go out there and prove the location and the
possible artifacts. It would take a literal miracle for me to create a
successful business as all previous attempts ended in nothing. However, I must
say it was my fault as I got so involved in this I threw everything away
business meant very little to me as I was inspired in this journey to the
ancient places. Even though I maintain a remnant of my business it still would
raise the funds.
I say to myself how could I raise the funds, so I think what about a prospectus
for an expedition and make a business out of the journey that which would
finance the other expeditions on the table. But then does it become like like
everything else am I soiling this by making it a business., I suppose it depends
on what is within me. That would be the test, for me.
Well this is where I come to the point in guidance from my brothers. Would I be
right in putting a prospectus together in raising the funds to finance a
expedition and production of the journey to the ancient places.
And lets say that if it was a successful thing and went basically according to
the plan the complete production would raise capital to input funds to further
translate and print the Ub in all languages. So if there is a surge in demand
for the book in light of the presentation which I feel would be the funds would
be there to cope with supply for the book. This is done so the information
relevant to the journey, the UB is readily available for printing and supply.
Further I would like to inject funds into the Free Schools project, an
educational model that I saw at the Ub conference just recently that helps the
very poor kids to get an education. That would be wish list and to get out of
debt.
If that stage is successful, it would also finance another expedition to lets
say the Dilmuns and then to 1stEden to complete another great mystery.
I feel that as reach stage is completed and proven then the great truth will
arise step by step that which over time will become a great revelation in a
timeline sequence. Step by Step, block by block and with expeditions to the
cities. Now if its true we should find undeniable evidence in each location and
if we lift up the Seven Commands, that would be icing on the cake.
Then I figure further, if this is the sequence of events that should occur and
if the revelation is so strong as we accomplish each stage then the power of the
revelation becomes greater or the spiritual gravity increases and then as this
magnifies further than there must comes a point at the end that most of the
planet would welcome Jesus with open arms all man. that would be the advent
I figure if end times, like what is currently being espoused is not quite right
and maybe wholly based on error in its outlook well maybe this journey in the
discovery cycle in the physical may be the revelatory sequence of the revelation
of transition. Maybe the army of Jesus, the angels are here to increase the the
gravity of the revelation but not in destructive way as perceived in the books.
Before I was feeling really lousy and now that I'm at the end of this post I
feeling a bit better.
Bless you Joer and thanks for your kinds words and time taken to reply with your
thoughts. I really pray that we accomplish the highest things for our time here.
There is only one nagging
thought what about the mockers and scoffers and the deniers and the things Gods
says about them?? All well remains to be seen in the future in what pans out.
Sevens
the quran
O ye unto whom the Scripture hath been
given! Believe in what We have revealed,
confirming that which ye possess. (4:47 Pickthall)
Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:29 am
Hi
Its been a little perplexing but I had to reevaluate some of the end times
thoughts Ive had.
Here in this link is a post in which I highlighted a text in the UB which had
made me think again about the whole process.
This is where I'm up to. Maybe its through revelation that transition will
occur. so therefore in this time all Im going to do is raise finds for a
proposed expedition I would like to put together to explore the lost City of
Dalamatia and the Seven commands which could lay in the Dilmuns. I think I
have done enough research and its time to begin the physical journey. Im not
sure when rapture happens so in the meantime I going this direction.
Soon enough there will be a prospectus through the normal channels, that if
Jesus doesn't come again in the meanwhile. The only way to conclude this
journey is to find the places and verify them. I think the threads have legs
however I'm not sure about a few things as expressed in the above link.
Anyway if Endtime is through revelation and not through annihilation judgment
based on possible error then I'm going for the submerged ancient cities
starting with Dalamatia. I'm not waiting for anything and the quicker this is
done the closer we are to Jesus coming back. I figure mankind has to pull his
finger out and do something like trek for discovery and not just wait for some
rapture to occur so its convenient for man without exhausting all
possibilities.
Hey I found this on a Christian site denouncing the Quran. However I saw
something that confirms this journey and the process. I think this scripture
hold weight and gravity and I believe relates to this whole journey, its a
test apparently to see if this comes form God.
Quote:
O ye unto whom
the Scripture hath been given! Believe in
what We have revealed,
confirming that which ye possess.
(4:47 Pickthall)
I believe the above is a remnant scripture from Abnerian (Eastern Christian
church) period that was overrun by Islam, its a piece I believe was
incorporated from the earlier scriptures from Abner which perpetuated through
the following of the 70 in Philadelphia.
Philadelphia is was the headquarters of the Eastern Christian Church headed
and started by Abner and the 70. Special mention is mention revelation about
this church during the end times. Jesus was in direct contact with Abner
during his ministry unlike Paul at that time. Many of the Baptist followers
did follow Abner to Philadelphia and that explains the variation.
Unfortunately the church was overrun and persecuted even up to recent times
where it was absorbed into the Catholic precepts thus being the Maronite
Church. But its origins comes from Philadelphia through Abner as in the
Eastern branch of the Christian Church. Unfortunately Abner and Paul had a
falling out on the trinity concept and Abner felt rather upset about it. His
end days was in solitude and I think he felt a little bitterness towards the
disagreement.
Perhaps a disagreement that still perpetuates today.
Might as well have a look at the scripture in revelation see if there are any
clues.
Quote:
And to the angel of the church
in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that
is holy, he that is true, he that hath the
key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man
openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee
an open door, and no man can shut it: for
thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my
word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the
synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know
that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience,
I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all
the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take
thy crown. 12 Him that
overcometh will I make a
pillar in the temple of my God, and he
shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the
name of the city of my God, which is new
Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will
write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what
the Spirit saith unto the churches.
hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and
no man openeth It appears there is a key to a mystery that opens a
door. Success in opening the door has to with acknowledgment and living the
life as recommended by Jesus or the Father. The mystery has all to with the
Crown which I believe is the treasurehouses.
pillar in the temple of my God I find this interesting, What
temple these days has a pillar in the middle, it appears that the new city and
capital will transfered to the new City Jerusalem. It appears that the
research will stand and the original eastern branch of the Church will arise
again and be blessed upon the new truth.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews,
and are not, but do lie Hard to make out this one but it appears that
forces that overtook Abners church of the East in Philadelphia was overrun by
other forces who adopted many of the writings in the Quran over time this I
feel includes the Hadiths. I can see many parallels and similar terms like the
Most High and so forth. However, today we see extreme forces within Islam
religion being led to death and destruction based on erroneous interpretation
to the ideas within the scriptures. I believe its this extreme force who are
led by false ideas including interpretation actually represent this false
church spoken about in revelation through their actions of terror. The one
that overcome are the ones that avoides instruction leading to the path of
terror, dead and destruction.
It would be wise of governments to dis involve themselves in terror, if they
are involved, Government can make agreements but extreme forces aren't
interested in agreements except their own rule through imposition.
hour of temptation, Could be related to being tempted in
violence and terror whereby there is a reward in Paradise for giving up one
own life to murder other people particularly innocent people. This temptation
is false and does not represent Paradise.
I have set before thee an open door,
and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and
hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
I believe the door is the path to the great mystery, the journey to submerged
places, the keys that I am finding We as in the Father is unlocking the door,
the path of safety. Soon as the door opens, the mystery unlocked it cannot be
shut again. There is great reward who walk through the door in faith and has
not denied the father in the journey, the safe passage through the Abyss. As
we hear the voice coming from the Abyss.
which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make
them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
It appears to be a group of religious people who falsely claim they represent
the Father and denounce the Jews and claim there falseness, its a virtual
hijacking of a religion. Apparently to them the truth shall be revealed and
they will be seen to repent according to these scriptures.
thy crown The places are the crowns of the planet in truth
and the reward is the crown.
to try them that dwell upon the
earth Looks like there is a
test involved in the process.
praise the lord
yea!
Posted:
Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:55 am Post subject:
Thanks Joer that was a
great post I found so much in that. And thanks RayOK I enjoyed the post to.
I think a great discovery presentation and further discoveries would be an
excellent way to improve mans outlook.
Well I'm
going to attempt that achieve that goal through these submerged
paces...somehow....to exhibit the spiritual path and the findings and the
expedition to the places and flash backs to the actual location of the
Dalamatia City and the messages attached the ones that led me to the
discoveries. Its how much do I reveal in the research as some of it is
different. Maybe that could be reserved for a book however the website might
be an ongoing thing.
See what happens
sevens
The Iranian leadership believes that they are now entering Tue
Oct 09, 2007 8:41 pm
The Iranian leadership believes that
they are now entering the Apocalyptic Age
The Iranian leadership believes that they are now entering the Apocalyptic
Age
October 09, 2007
Speaking at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, the renown scholar and
historian Bernard Lewis told his audience that Iranian President
Ahmadinejad and the leadership of Iran believe they are now entering the
Apocalyptic Age which will result in the triumph of their messianic
figure.
Lewis said that Iran is a mortal threat and reminded those attending his
lecture that Islam, like Judaism and Christianity, has an End Times
scenario reminding them that holy war is a part of the Islamic religion
and part of holy law. Lewis then added that the threat of many Iranians
perishing in a war did not deter the Iranian leadership. They believe that
death this way would give Iranians a free pass to the Islamic heaven.
Jimmy's Prophetic Prospective on the News
The thinking by the Iranian leadership that they are now entering the
Apocalyptic Age actually conforms to the End Times scenario that is found
in Bible prophecy.
The statement by the renown scholar and historian, Bernard Lewis, that
Iranian President Ahmadinejad and Iran's leadership believe they are
entering the Apocalyptic Age is evidence that the Islamic world does have
an eschatology, a theology that has an End Times scenario. The outdated
concepts of M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction) prevalent during the Cold
War years, are irrelevant when it comes to Iran and its leadership. The
Iranian president and his circle see such a scenario as an incentive, not
a deterrent.
This apocalyptic desire of the radical Shiite Muslim is at the center of
much of what's happening in the Middle East today and does fit into Bible
prophecy. The ancient, Jewish, New Testament Prophet John wrote the book
entitled, "The Apocalypse", or better known as the book of Revelation
which describes the End Time Apocalyptic Age. Revelation 4:2 - 19:10
describes the seven year period of massive judgment on the face of the
Earth. Revelation 19 describes the "Mother of all battles", "the
Apocalyptic War", the Battle of Armageddon.
Ahmadinejad is correct, we are indeed entering the Apocalyptic Age.
Its interesting that Iran recognize change like we do.
Sevens
Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:10 pm
That's why I feel it is important that we go out
there and prove this research as that might correct and displace false
doctrine and interpretation that lead to death and destruction.
Any death and destruction of fellow mankind is against the family and is
against Paradise. Paradise cannot help those bent on war and destruction.
That's what I reckon.
Its really important that mankind get motivated to find the truth of the
matter in discovery rather than the opposite. A grand discovery would help
man and prove a point.
Everything is ripe for a discovery and that's what motivates me explore and
discover Dalamatia to put a stop to terrorism through enlightenment, its the
the only way and all countries and governments have to be involved.
sevens
Posted:
Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: The
Plan
Hey Joer
How you doing, bless you
Thanks for your suggestion as in a book before the expedition.
Ive been thinking about it. I think its a good idea but the book is really
ongoing and isn't finished until the expedition and what comes after. This
saga to the ancient places is not over.
Essentially the website and its tablets is the
book.
What I would like to do is go out there in a small but capable boat with
equipment to dive up to 100 meters. I would like to have underwater video
capability. I also would like the use a small sonar that could be towed so
that we can pin point the points of interest. Also a small R.O.V would be
helpful so when we are not diving we have to the R.O.V to explore.
I would expect the trip to take 2 weeks to take footage but in addition I
would like to present a daily video presentations on the progress of the
expedition which would involve the research.
Each day a video presentation will be uploaded on Google video.
It will be no different to when Jesus sat on the boat teaching the multitude.
I can see the same construct here.
I can see this as a perfect construct, in the middle of no mans land outside
of the 12 mile economic zones of all countries on the greatest mission of
mankind in the physical discovery of the first temple. Where this great and
discovery emanates from the Abyss.
As each day passes more and more information will come out as we journey and
discover the first place.
The posts that will continue from the boat which would be akin to the voice
coming from the abyss. How beautiful! Each day more and more information will
come out.
That would be the flight to the sea of peace as we journey to the infinite
garden in the Abyss and we, on the boat the discoverers will be the voice from
the abyss on behalf of the Father in the Paradise. An engagement for peace and
brotherhood of mankind from the abyss in the mystery and in the discovery on
the run as we journey in faith.
Right on!!!!
Now with the movie I feel it will be a three part thing, the beforehand
journey which includes the search through the scriptures including the journey
to 1stEden and how the research continued from then.
Second, flash back to the time of Dalamatia how it originated, what its
function was, who where the Sons of God, the fall , the default, and where did
the loyal and disloyal ones go, all narrated and part acting, what Dalamatia
was all about and cgi of the area with actors.
Third part is the the evolution of the expedition its journey and what it
uncovers. This would include exploring 5 separate locations around Dalamatia
City that are targeted including thoughts along the way.
All parts would be intermingled as we progress in the movie all parts running
in parallel making connections along the way creating this huge revelation
along the way. It would be like History, the beforehand journey and the
discovery all in parallel and in harmony.
I would say it would be a 3-4 hour movie. The biggest revelation in the world
thus far.
However all is verified and arouses interest there maybe a full scale proper
expedition where in that one I would like to propose that we use a transparent
submarine that I saw on Nova that can down to a depth of 300 meters.
That way we can get beautiful video images of the area.
This second expedition may happen after the first but before the movie
depending if a major production company gets involved. But first we have to
test the waters for them to have faith. in the journey, they, unlike us would
need surety of success.
However, if everyone runs to the hills the footage and captions taken in the
first expedition will be the movie and hopefully that will recover the
investment.
That's if Jesus doesn't come back...i suppose!
I would want the movie to be in cinema quality as that's where its destined
to, then after that the usual cable and TV distribution channels.
Then you have the expanded DVD with more footage and perhaps the research and
other presentations.
After all that a book but it has to be at the end of all the adventures I have
planned.
Because after that huge presentation on Dalamatia you have the Dilmuns, the
Adamson civilization following the triangle/circle chevron and the completion
of the 1stEden project which would be quite extensive but at that stage I
would believe affordable.
It may happen that to get to 1stEden we have to go through the first places
Dalamatia City.
Anyway that's the thoughts and the plan so far.
Sevens
The Urantia Book
line 156: 2,000,000,000
years ago the earth began decidedly to gain on the moon. Always had
the planet been larger than its satellite, but there was not so much
difference in size until about this time, when
enormous space bodies were captured by the earth. Urantia was
then about one fifth its present size and had become large enough to
hold the primitive atmosphere which had begun to appear as a result of the
internal elemental contest between the heated interior and the cooling
crust.
I was curious about the 2 space bodies that
revolved around the earth including the moon. It appears that these 2
bodies collided into the earth where upon the earth gained on the moon.
This seems to be conformed in the moon section of the video.
Sevens
Posted:
Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: lock out
I was
curious, since I cant reply to Joer and RayOk. Why is Joers recent thread locked
out.
Its just talk and ideas, why should there be harm to any one.
To see faith in action I would think is a good thing, what I cant understand is
why faith in ideas and thoughts are locked out.
Anyway the places are open for all and will never be locked out the thoughts of
man no matter what type of suppression occurs.
One thing for sure I know the Kingdom of Heaven wouldn't lock out anyone trying
to find things pertinent to the glory of the Father ...thats for sure.
AAAh its just disgusting particularly when there is no reason offered just
locked out.
Just like that, after good people put heart and soul in there posts.
Why dont you just delete the post it would be the same thing.
It only demonstrates that I am better on the end time forum where there is no
lock out and I can witness to the UB and the all the other books.
I just see this as a blow to the freedom of expression and just short of
persecution.
I cant believe a reply like this from the Urantia brothers in control.
You know I'm requested each year to present something at the UB conference which
I do if I can make it there. They like what they see and how I go about things
and they give support in spirit. But here I get lock out by some person.
Fair dinkum....it just the worst feeling and all I want to do is the will of the
Father. Oh well I know I'm better of somewhere else. I think the end time forum
is the last place and there a bit kinder and show respect even though always
fighting with each other over the interpretation of doctrine.
I suppose this all a witness at the end of the day.
You know the funny thing is the thread "Dalamatia ...city of the Gods" the
thread that I have been working on the end time forum has a really high hit rate
and I cant understand why since no one replies and it all leads to the Urantia
Book through the places. I was recently told that the Urantia Book website that
I direct hits to gets more hits from this work relating to this journey than
anywhere else. Surely I must doing my job somewhere along the line to propagate
the UB truth.
see ya later
Sevens
No worries Ray
But at the end of the day I have no respect for
the owner of this website and will not be around to be treated like a horses
a....
Good luck in your moderation.
I mean to say people will always have different
ideas. Pity the owner of the web owner who doesn't agree.
Useless website good for nothing owners who are
the rudest people I ever meant not you rayOK I really enjoyed your thinking
and I liked Joers thoughts. I thought what was presented was absolutely OK
and was the most interesting thread going.
Wasn't a talkfest going in circles it was about
doing something!
It doesn't bother me if you ban me, it will be the
2nd UB site, the other site I never even made a post hahahaha.
Somebody must be very uncomfortable about what I'm
doing and saying. I say tough luck! Buddy! whoever it is you can run for
the hills like everyone else!
DAMASCUS (Reuters) - French archaeologists have discovered an
11,000-year-old wall painting underground in northern Syria which they
believe is the oldest in the world.
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The 2 square-meter painting, in red, black and white, was found at the
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city of Aleppo, team leader Eric Coqueugniot told Reuters.
"It looks like a modernist painting. Some of those who saw it have likened
it to work by (Paul) Klee. Through carbon dating we established it is from
around 9,000 B.C.," Coqueugniot said.
"We found another painting next to it, but that won't be excavated until
next year. It is slow work," said Coqueugniot, who works at France's
National Centre for Scientific Research.
Rectangles dominate the ancient painting, which formed part of an adobe
circular wall of a large house with a wooden roof. The site has been
excavated since the early 1990s.
The painting will be moved to Aleppo's museum next year, Coqueugniot said.
Its red came from burnt hematite rock, crushed limestone formed the white
and charcoal provided the black.
The world's oldest painting on a constructed wall was one found in Turkey
but that was dated 1,500 years after the one at Djade al-Mughara, according
to Science magazine.
The inhabitants of Djade al-Mughara lived off hunting and wild plants. They
resembled modern day humans in looks but were not farmers or domesticated,
Coqueugniot said.
"There was a purpose in having the painting in what looked like a communal
house, but we don't know it. The village was later abandoned and the house
stuffed with mud," he said.
A large number of flints and weapons have been found at the site as well as
human skeletons buried under houses.
"This site is one of several Neolithic villages in modern day Syria and
southern Turkey. They seem to have communicated with each other and had
peaceful exchanges," Coqueugniot said.
Mustafa Ali, a leading Syrian artist, said similar geometric design to that
in the Djade al-Mughara painting found its way into art throughout the
Levant and Persia, and can even be seen in carpets and kilims (rugs).
"We must not lose sight that the painting is archaeological, but in a way
it's also modern," he said.
France is an important contributor to excavation efforts in Syria, where 120
teams are at work. Syria was at the crossroads of the ancient world and has
thousands of mostly unexcavated archaeological sites.
Swiss-German artist Paul Klee had links with the Bauhaus school and was
important in the German modernist movement.
Seems to me that civilization seem to be going back further in the latter
times of the very ancient times.
The above is my latest image of Dalamatia. It appears that the city was laid
out in a triangle fashion and you can see remnants of three co planar circles
which are the same symbol as found in Vans highland headquarters where the
Adamson civilization began and the very same Van is the person who constructed
1stEden before Adam and Eve arrived.
This very same 3 co-planar circles can also be found on the Acropolis Hill of
1stEden of Cyprus.
This is a perfect match to all 3 key places as in the 3 co-planar circles. In
my mind there is no denying it
All the places match in symbolism even to the family tomb of Jesus and beyond.
Im new to this forum. I really love the Urantia Book and have always been
curious about the ancient places.
For me the journey to the ancient places has been a 14 year journey from the
time I first read about 1stEden and the other places with a burning desire to
locate them.
I feel the journey began there however the search for the places in all the
books started nearly 4 years ago. I was completely inspired by Robert Sarmasts
expeditions to the location of 1stEden, so much so I began to research Enoch
and a few other books.
It wasnt long that I began to discover that there where fragments in the books
with many messages that I believe are pertinent to the places. As soon as I
started to find these fragment I began to realize that this journey was huge.
As the journey progressed in the books so did the discoveries along the way.
Discoveries on all different levels with many path that branch out to the more
recent places of relevance.
To date the journey has led me to the discoveries of 3 cities in the Persian
gulf with the aid of NASA worldwind software.
I believe the cities are the 2 Dilmuns, the Nodite cities and Dalamatia City.
There is also another place of interest Vans headquarters the home of the
Adamson civilization.
From what I'm finding all these places are connected by symbolism in design.
The main symbols are the 3 co planar circles and the circle in the triangle
symbol.
In the following are some images and links to demonstrate what I'm saying.
Here is an image of the Adamson/Van highland headquarters, a hidden highland
valley within a triangle from of the landscape where in the middle of it lays
another hidden valley where I believe the tree of life was.
Another places that connects to this places in the same symbolism is 1stEden
of Cyprus. On top of the Acropolis Hill you see the same 3 co planar symbols
as demonstrated in this image
Now as you know the legends and myths and no doubt design was adopted by the
Nodites after the fall of Dalamatia.
I believe this symbolism is related to the Nodites who perpetuated Dalamatia,
Dilmun was known as the land of the immortals. I believe the circle in the
triangle is evidence of the Dilmunite culture.
Here in the following image is what I believe is the original lst city of
Dilmun with the foundations of Babel within a part triangle built on a
isthmus.
As we know the Andites came from Dilmun and lost there homelands and
eventually migrated to Egypt as a result they built a memorial to the lost
truth of a dying race, they ventured far and wide.
In the following image is triangle with a circle within. In fact its a double
circle in a triangle, one within the other. This obviously is the mark of the
Andites and reflects the symbol of lost Dilmun where the original Babel stood.
This symbol was found inscribed on the plug of the shaft of the great Pyramid
built by Imhotep.
My wishlist now is to explore the places and hope that it helps things along to
a better world.
Incidently I have tested many doctrines within this journey through a 40 day
test, putting up everything on the table and testing things through the timeline
of the places.
The things that I expected never happened such a rapture and judgment. I don't
know the time nor the hour but what I discovered through the Urantia Book at a
crucial period in the timeline is that transition is going to be of a revelatory
nature. I'm not sure if its going to be the fire and brimestone nothing exists
there after. Im not sure if rapture is to occur until all things has been
revealed and that means going out to the places to find truth and conclusion to
the great mystery which brings us closer to transition.
I'm certain that if any transition that is to occur, its to be of a revelatory
nature which embraces mystery and discovery of a enlightening form.
Its does mean this journey to the ancient places and is in line with the
thoughts of Jesus. Non violent and revelatory through great discovery and points
to truth of which all books come together in oneness and in harmony.
Reflecting upon it further its the same Triangle and circle is the same Chevron
as on top the doorway of Jesus family tomb
My personal dream is to construct a presentation based on these symbols going
from one place to another place with flashbacks to the places in its glory and
what happened there, then link in the expeditions of each place. Eventually, as
we journey through history and through each place in the discovery I think the
revelation should be quite clear and mysterious and beautiful.
Hey thanks Vann brother for your reply.
I am certainly not disappointed in the journey for all the things discovered.
I'm rapt at the whole thing.
This is basically the path that
the presentation will take. In the following link is a summarized version of the
presentation following symbolism throughout all the ancient places even up to
Mars and beyond in design and symbolism.
Hopefully this will include the physical expeditions and flashback to the times
and connections with all the books and scriptures, to me this part of the office
of the Messiahs projects and is part of kicking goals for the Father in the
Kingdom of Heaven on earth! as it is in Heaven.
As absurd as it sounds this
presentation is goes back to 500,000 years when Dalamatia City was first
constructed.
Its a 500,000 year old presentation coming to light through the symbols they
left behind that are intelligible and have value with our current say knowledge.
when this gospel of the kingdom shall have been proclaimed to all the world
for the salvation of all peoples, and when the fullness of the age has come
to pass, the Father will send you another dispensational bestowal, or else
the Son of Man will return to adjudge the age. – 1915.2
-Said by Jesus around 2,000 years ago.
In view of this prospect, only time can reveal the future order of the
visitations of the Paradise Sons of God on Urantia. – 227.3 -was said 77
years ago.
each new dispensation extends the horizon of revealed religion, and the
Magisterial Sons extend the revelation of truth to portray the affairs of
the local universe and all its tributaries.Paper 52 p. 594:7
But you should be wise regarding the ripening of an age; you should be alert
to discern the signs of the times. You know when the fig tree shows its
tender branches and puts forth its leaves that summer is near. Likewise,
when the world has passed through the long winter of material-mindness and
you discern the coming of the spiritual springtime of a new dispensation,
should you know that the summertime of a new visitation draws near."
What do you think?
Claude.
I thought that was real cool Claude. I think we are close.
I was really impressed with those quotes.
With the contact info I dont know much about that, the only contact Ive had is
through the scripts and the images that my only experience, I'm not sure
whether I have gone through a super natural experience. I'm probably really
boring haha!
all the best, its interesting to read what others think.
I just read some more of the channeled stuff. Ahh I dont know Ive read much of
this stuff years ago and never felt quite right as I feel in this journey. Its
really been the same line for years and years. If its not one its from another
in a different form and repackaged to represent something new. But really its
the same same.
However In the urantia journey to the ancient places I see real things of the
thinking of Jesus. But thats the way I think...thats just my thought one of
billions.
Tsadiq, tsaddiq: Spiritual - Theosophy Dictionary on Tsadiq, tsaddiq
Tsadiqtsaddiq (Hebrew) He that has
a righteous cause; innocent, just, righteous; a title of Melchizedek (King of
righteousness), also applied to Noah (Genesis 6:9).
Some hold that Sadic (Tsaddiq) was the patriarch
Noah (as also Melchizedek) and "the identity of Noah and Melchizedek being
established, the further identity of Melchizedek, or Father Sadik, with Kronos-Saturn
is proved also"; Blavatsky also terms Noah a kabir, the kabiri being sons of
Sydic or Zedek, and shows Sadik as a regent over the eighth planet, Terra (SD
2:391).
(See also: Tsadiq, tsaddiq ,
Mysticism, Mysticism Dictionary, Body mind and Soul)
Dictionary on Melchizedek, malchi-tsedeq
Melchizedekmalchi-tsedeq (Hebrew)
[from melech king + tsedeq righteousness]
My king of righteousness; the king-priest of
Salem, who met Abraham and blessed him (Genesis 14:18), alluding to the ancient
king-initiates, the founders of races as well as the eponyms of cycles and the
representatives of spiritual powers.
The name afterwards became generic (Psalms 110:4
and Hebrew 7 where a Messianic theory is hinted at), and Jesus is described as a
high priest after the order of Melchisedek, which corresponds in mystical
Judaism to the Order of Wisdom and Compassion in the theosophic philosophy. The
term may signify the Maha-chohan, of the brotherhood of mahatmas, and also can
stand for this Order itself or anyone who has reached a high degree of
initiation therein.
Melchizedek is identified with Kronos or Saturn
and with Noah (SD 2:391-2), the variant spellings Sadik, Sydik, and Zedec being
given. As a type-figure he is connected with the sun and moon and the story of
Jesus Christ (Lucifer 1:493, Feb 1888).
(See also: Melchizedek,
malchi-tsedeq , Mysticism, Mysticism Dictionary)
The above is my latest image of Dalamatia. It appears that the city was laid out
in a triangle fashion and you can see remnants of three co planar circles which
are the same symbol as found in Vans highland headquarters where the Adamson
civilization began and the very same Van is the person who constructed 1stEden
before Adam and Eve arrived.
This very same 3 co-planar circles can also be found on the Acropolis Hill of
1stEden of Cyprus.
This is a perfect match to all 3 key places as in the 3 co-planar circles. In my
mind there is no denying it
All the places match in symbolism even to the family tomb of Jesus and beyond.
You know the Triangle city with the temple (circle in the middle) links directly
to the same symbol found in the plug of the shaft of the pyramid, the triangle
with the diamond symbol.
Yep!!! it all links and therefore I reckon this also proves the location of
Atlantis being the first place and the place of the Sons of Gods before they
left there first estate.
There you have it mystery discovered and solved until the end.
Having a laugh!
Actually what we see could one part of a larger city and it could also be a
double triangle city with the Vees connecting.
You know all the problem we face today all come from the downfall of this place.
Judgment nor rapture occurred but an0other great discovery was made and all
connects with symbolism which is the pathway between all the location of the
first times.
It all comes from this place and the path as I found out during a crucial period
in the timeline of this journey. The path to transition is through revelation
first, before anything. I believe these discoveries will be part of the physical
revelation all harmonized in all the books particularly the new book, The
Urantia Book.
Anyway the images in the above is the
real Atlantis.
circa 500,000-150,000 years old, the original Land of the Gods.
The Paradise Symbolism or symbols of Paradise or "The Kingdom of Heaven".
These places where the capitols of the planet in the past epochs. They are all
represented by a symbol engraved in the design of the city. All reflective of
Jerusem and its circles, triangles and rectangles.
Combine all the capitals and you see the same reflectivity deriving from the
Capitals even up to Paradise.
Even on Mars which to me the triangles Chevron seems to be non breather made. A
large built up circle in a triangle chevron in amongst other obvious triangles.
1Enoch 46:2
He answered and said to me: This is the Son of man, to whom
righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed; for the
Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all
before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.
and
Enoch 56 6 And they shall go up and tread under foot the land of His
elect ones
[And the land of His elect ones shall be before them a
threshing-floor and a highway.
7 But the city of my righteous shall be a hindrance to their horses.
and
1Enoch 58 5 And after this it shall be said to the holy in heaven
That they should seek out the
secrets of righteousness,
the heritage of faith:
For it has become bright as the sun upon earth,
And the darkness is past.
and
16 And all shall walk in his ways since righteousness never forsaketh him: With him will be their
dwelling-places, and with him
their heritage,
And they shall not be separated from him for ever and ever and ever.
Look I can understand people being
pissed of these days even feeling hate and anger, no problems at all. The
problem with that is that its all to consuming for the soul of man and its leads
to further conflict without any real resolve. However, I believe through this
process to the ancient places of the first times and of the nature of this
journey brings forth truth to the foreground and actually leads somewhere. Where
all material can be researched and studied to what I believe satisfaction.
Through a path of discovery and mystery that embraces all man and provides good
guidance for the success of all mankind if he chooses.
Mans success in all this is truly in his hands for all sides of the fence it
could bring about some positive correction in the aha experience.
I suppose that is the test for the individual man. Its not about the race of a
man (how can a man help where he is born) but its whats within him that is the
question of the Kingdom of Heaven and whether that is acceptable from what is
discovered within man. Its all to do with his motives.
I personally have never felt an affinity with messages as that can be purely the
human mind. I would like to see things tested in what they say.
I feel if there is a transition happening and its related to revelation I feel
there will be a definite increase in this so called channeling always keep in
mind that there is the last rebel spreading all kinds of sophistries and the so
called celestial messages could be part of it. In saying that I'm pointing
fingers but i would like to see some demonstration by all the current groups.
But the Rebel will never speak of the ancient places even though he knows about
them. Because I feel that it points to the time when the game is up.
Another test of so called celestial message is why has no one, absolutely no one
in these times predicted the discovery of all the ancient places of the first
times and the world changing effect it will have on peoples regarding knowledge
on all levels if its verified through numerous expeditions to all the places.
The only places where such a prediction exists is in the books related to
religion. That's the only place.. Its in this light that I feel the books where sealed, sealed
until the right time, right place with the right type of mind and persistence.
Anyway that's what I reckon.
sevens
I personally have never felt an affinity with
messages as that can be purely from the human mind. I would like to see things
tested and demonstrated in what they say.
I feel if there is a transition happening and its related to revelation I feel
there will be a definite increase in this so called channeling always keep in
mind that there is the last rebel spreading all kinds of sophistries and the so
called celestial messages could be part of it. In saying that I'm pointing
fingers but i would like to see some demonstration by all the current groups.
Another test of so called celestial message is why has no one, absolutely no one
in these times predicted the discovery of all the ancient places of the first
times and the world changing effect it will have on peoples regarding knowledge
on all levels if its verified through numerous expeditions to all the places.
The only places where such a prediction exists is in the books related to
religion. That's the only place. Not with channelers even with the current
Christians they never found these places but the knowledge of the places was
right under there noses for all those thousands of years. Its in this light that
I feel the books where sealed, sealed until the right time, right place with the
right type of mind and persistence and it will come from one source, not
multiple sources like he read today.
I know about NESARA, I think fourwinds10.com and sheldon nidle all have a
similar affiliation. I'm not sure if its a happening thing in what they think.
Just dont know but all I know is that nothing has ever occurred that I could see
as a solid demonstration. I'm Still waiting for the ships. I'm not sure if that
is what is planned for transition.
Hey Van no problem, its the one
percent that Im thinking of.
The way I see it. Is that if the so called messages breaks a persons faith with
all talk and no demonstration that all man can study then I dont think its
reliable.
I feel that CAL motives is through division and breaking faith and he does
influence the ones who desire him where he can manifest his divisive plans.
I agree with you he has no effect on the ones who know truth.
One of Jane Lead's later
published Prophetic Works, sent by God to the Nazarite Flock concerning the
Signs of the Kingdom of Christ; both Forerunning, and Evidencing when it is
come. This was made public in 1699.
This manuscript from the 17th
century has been out of print for a very long time and has been generally
inaccessible to the general public. It contains terminology and wording
that are missing from modern edited versions.
This on-line reproduction
presents the old manuscript "as close to the original as possible" —
rendering the text and appearance of the 1699 printingwithout any
interpretation or commentary, — both of which are here left for the Spirit
of Truth, who will always provide for the seeking and humble in heart.
§ IX. Now as there were Signs literally
given by Christ of his Coming, in his Kingly Power, which had its First
accomplishment, in his coming to deliver his persecuted and oppressed Ones, and
bringing down severe Judgments upon his and their Enemies, as in the Destruction
of the Jews: So now it turns into that which is more Spiritual and
Internal. For the Mystery of Iniquity does work after various ways and manners,
in the Commotions of various Kingdoms: as First the Kingdom of the Beast, which consists in sensual pleasures, and Worldly
advantages, stretching themselves upon their Ivory Beds, not only neglecting and
disregarding; but opposing the Spiritual Kingdom, for fear it should supplant
them of their transient and temporary Kingdom. And that this Supiness in
Pleasure, and Voluptuousness, which do reign now so Universally at this Day, in
a more than ordinary Manner, is indeed a Sign of the near Approach of the
Overthrowing of the Kingdom of this Anitchristian Beast, may very well be hop’d:
yea there can be no manner of doubt made hereof by them,
who are wise to search into
the Calendar of former ages,
or who have but an Ear open to hear and receive what by Truth’s Infallible
Oracle it self deliver’
Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:42 pm
Hi
I was browsing away and I found this
Here is an interesting link
from 1699 turn of the century
"The Signs of the Times"
One of Jane Lead's later published Prophetic Works, sent by God to the
Nazarite Flock concerning the Signs of the Kingdom
of Christ; both Forerunning, and Evidencing when it is come. This
was made public in 1699.
This manuscript from the 17th century has been out of print for a very long
time and has been generally inaccessible to the general public.
It contains terminology and wording that are missing from modern edited
versions.
This on-line reproduction presents the old manuscript "as close to the
original as possible" — rendering the text and appearance of the
1699 printing without any interpretation or commentary, — both of
which are here left for the Spirit of Truth, who will always provide for the
seeking and humble in heart.
T H E S I G N S O F T H E T I M E S:
FORERUNNING THE
Kingdom of Christ,
A N D
EVIDENCING WHEN IT IS COME.
Fragment
§ IX. Now as there were Signs literally given by Christ of his Coming, in
his Kingly Power, which had its First
accomplishment, in his coming to deliver his persecuted and
oppressed Ones, and bringing down severe Judgments upon his and their
Enemies, as in the Destruction of the Jews: So
now it turns into that which is more Spiritual and Internal.
(Remember my correction where I discovered that it was more revelatory
preferred than bleek judgment on gentiles of annihilation
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues12.htm#Concerns However we
still have to see what happens and I feel there could be correction but if
there major severity attached to it, Im not sure! Rapture and Judgment I'm
still thinking about??)For the Mystery of Iniquity does work
after various ways and manners, in the Commotions of various
Kingdoms: as First the Kingdom of the Beast, which consists in sensual
pleasures, and Worldly advantages, stretching themselves upon their Ivory
Beds, not only neglecting and disregarding; but
opposing the Spiritual Kingdom, for fear it should supplant them of
their transient and temporary Kingdom. And that this Supiness in
Pleasure, and Voluptuousness, which do reign now so Universally at this Day,
in a more than ordinary Manner, is indeed a Sign
of the near Approach of the Overthrowing
of the Kingdom of this Anitchristian Beast, may very well be hop’d:
yea there can be no manner of doubt made hereof by
them, who are wise to search into
the Calendar
of former ages,
or who have but an Ear open to hear and
receive what by Truth’s Infallible Oracle
it self deliver’
I thought there was interesting things in the link published in 1699
amazing! and with direct reference to the former places which I believe the
discovery of them. All of of them!
Intriguing document from 1699 turn of the century how ironic 308 years in
2007 and here we are with the images of the former ages in our faces.
and this part in the beginning of the document.
Quote:
The Seven Signs
following them that enter into the Kingdom: or,
the Sevenfold
Process of the
Perfect Regeneration.
full on mankind! See that Sevenfold and the Seven signs which to me are the
journey and the discovery in the images of the ancient places and the
mysteries that surrounds them.
I haven't got time to read right now but I just glanced at it and I saw
already saw some things that might relate to the journey.
Foundations means knowledge and the gardens are the first temples of previous
ages.
I saw Melchizedek name used so it could have many clues to what we are seeing
and this manuscript could be a timely thing.
It will be interesting to read when I get back.
Here is one fragment outstanding
Quote:
January 5. 1678.
THIS Morning the
Holy Spirit was still in a free way of Parly, upon the weighty concern,
tending unto this Transmutation. Declaring it to be the full Consummation of
a fixed Restoration, that giveth immediate Entrance into Glorification. But
then came in this Query to be answered, If it should be possible, for
any to attain to this Resurrection-Body, answerable to that, in which our
Lord did ascend into Glory, what should any one do with such a Transparent
Body, to walk and converse amongst such, as yet retain their Vile Corporeal
forms? They could, nor would not be able to bear their Persons. So that
without there could be a general Transformation, there could be no
consistency, betwixt what is Terrestrial and Celestial:
the one is suited for the Earth, the other for
Heaven; and only mete to enter into the Eternal Mystery. This was a
considerable Objection, which I humbly refer’d to that which answereth on
God’s part. Thus it was said, that such among
Mortals, as should be counted worthy of this Immortality, and such as should
be appointed hereunto, for some peculiar and eminent work to transact in
this Principle for the Lord; know this, they shall not be without
their Change of Raiment, and shall have ability to put off and on their
AEthereal Body, as occasion requires. For thus Christ did after his
Resurrection, or else his Disciples would have been terrified at his
presence, who so frequently did visit them, and did eat Corporeal Food, as
before his Crucifixion, and
yet of a surety had, in that
40 Days time,
free Egress and Ingress into the Mystery of the Fathers Glory:
and when he had put on his Celestial Body, he could then pass among all the
Angelical Thrones. But when he had yet business of the Father further to
dispatch, he could draw over the veil of Humanity, for consistency with
Creatures that are in their Earthly Bodies. So from hence the teaching
Unction did prove to me the possibility hereof,
that such a Power should be assumed by such Enochs, as should closely walk
with God, in order to this Translated State; For it was said he
walked with God many Years, (as it may be believed)
to appear and disappear in the World, before God
took him fully up into the Mystery.
Interesting piece and has many markers to the journey, Enoch's mention,
consummation of times, came on the Earth and left to be taken up in the
mystery! Also the 40 days time mention. I thought that was significant. and
related directly to the mystery, Egress and Ingress whatever that means.
And here is another very strong clues which I believe relates to the recovery
of the Seven Commands as the stone that will change things. The 7 commands
would be the physical stone of the "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth. Delivering
truth and a reminder of how we should conduct ourselves.
Quote:
The Stone of the Kingdom.
IN the Night after my first Sleep, somewhat I saw, like a round Ball, mixed
with all manner of Colours very oriental, and it
darted down from an invisible Region, to the Earth, where it seemed
to sink in. After which it was said to me,
that this was the Stone, upon which the Kingdom
of Heaven was founded.
Then this Word further did Spring: Inviting
to be strong, and to hold fast those precious
things, which are laid in, for the
transparent Temple of the Holy Ghost; in order to that Kingdom,
that will be all consisting of God’s Omnipotency,
in this Resurrection-Day, when the flying
Banner of almighty Power shall it self display.
The word did spring is the discovery and the journey, the Seven commands are
foundations of truth in the Kingdom of Heaven. Its related to resurrection day
and provides safe passage and is an example of the Father Omnipotence. It will
be a witness. The banner of the Father will fly on that day. The Banner of
Jesus. Also shows there is symbolism involved which is directly related to the
symbolism found and connected in each place of the first times and past
Epochs.
Sevens
I saw a short clip of him
singing.
I think the days of the cult like him are over.
The truth can be had without following a person in that way.
Im not into people like that, Ive seen a few at close at hand, somehow they have
this influence over people to give them all they have for some false hope that
there doing the cause of Jesus where as in truth these people are there just
feathering there own bed. Off course they find justification in doing this
tripping out people on a emotional blackmail set up.
I cant stand those people. I remember I gave a Urantia Book to such person and
all he said was that would destroy my group.
I was shocked but said nothing. He revealed himself in that moment.
I sure would like the top atheist to come on an expedition to Dalamatia City
with me, I would want him to be by my side as we sift through the evidence. I
think it would be good, I even tried to contact Richard Dawkins, I think that
his name! I even invited him once through an email and told him about the places
and that it would prove God if we discovered the cities as per Urantia Book and
as well lifted the Seven Commands.
I reckon that would put a real dent into the unbelievers Armour if that
occurred. Also when I listen to them they are so shallow but then again some
Christian pastors especially some of the TV ones are really shallow and are in
constantly in repetition, in subliminal loop to sink the message in your skull
but there on the other end of the range.
Hi Claude.
Ahh I don't Cal is destroyed that will only happen at adjudication by the
Ancients of Days, perhaps the source of those channels where from Cal himself
...maybe.. I think channeled message seem inconsistent is just not worth it and
dont demonstrate anything but confusion and disappointment.
I don't maybe I could be shallow but I just believe in the Urantia complete. To
me its just of stuff that would keep me going for a lifetime.
I don't trust channeled message at all particularly when its inconsistent with
the Urantia Book. However from what I understand is that Satan was taken into
custody at the arrival of the Urantia Book. I'm not sure where it is but there
somewhere.
all the best
sevens
The following I found quite alarming and if its
the truth of the matter, seems to be prophecy coming to pass. Considering all
that is going on even in the discovery of things and synchronicity of it and
then you have this.
I really ask myself. What is Iran doing? I'm sure they now everything even the
research. Are they tempting God to react or the 12 Imam that there expecting!
The Israeli media says President Bush's warning of WWIII could be the
Biblical War of Gog and Magog
October 18, 2007
The Israeli media, referring to the statements made by President Bush about
a nuclear Iran that would mean WWIII, the two major television channels in
Israel in their newscast, featured Gog and Magog maps of the likely
alignment of nations in that potential conflict.
Channels two and ten, showing the world map, sketched the basic alignment of
the two opposing axes in a coming war in a manner evoking association of the
Gog and Magog prophecy centered on the Holy Land and Jerusalem which appears
in the book of Ezekiel in the Bible. In a surprise visit to Russia by
Israeli PM Ehud Olmert, the Israeli leader discussed with the Russian
President Vladimir Putin the Russian-Iranian partnership as well as Russia's
continued supply of weapons to Syria.
Jimmy's Prophetic Prospective on the News
A discussion of the Biblical war of Gog and Magog on Israeli television in
reference to President Bush's statement about Iran and WWIII is a precursor
to the End Times scenario that can be found in Bible prophecy.
In the newscast on two of the main television channels in Israel, the
journalists sounded more like prophecy teachers than they did newscasters.
These media people showed world maps revealing what they believed would be
the basic alignment of nations in a present-day potential conflict which
would include Iran and other Middle Eastern nations that have a working
relationship with Russia.
This report of the potential for WWIII and the connection to Gog and Magog,
is right out of the pages of Bible prophecy. The ancient Jewish prophet
Ezekiel wrote 2,500 years ago of a major conflict that would include both
Iran and Russia plus the other Middle Eastern nations in an alignment
against Israel, Ezekiel 38. The Jewish prophet revealed that this major
conflict would happen at a time when there was a peace in place in the
Middle East, Ezekiel 38:8, 11, describing a time when Israel is dwelling
safely in the land.
The stage is being set for this prophetic drama to be played out, the actors
are quickly moving into place, the lights are dimming and the curtain is
about to go up.
Sevens
Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:28 pm
Here is another piece with reference to the
Abyss and the lake of where it came from.
Quote:
January 7. 1678.
The Date of Time.
THIS Night I was in much conflict, concerning the time of this Spiritual
Kingdom, as to the time, when it might appear, whether or no to any it was
near. And it was thus answered by an internal Word, saying, The Kingdom of
Heaven so cometh in, as the Evil Spirit is cast out: this kind as it is
written goeth not out, but by Fasting and Prayer. So verily this Kingdom
to no one will be manifested, but by great Abstinence, from what props up,
and does nourish the Earthly and Satanical Kingdom. When you see that
fall, as Lightning into
its own Abyss,and
Lakefrom whence it came, then ye may
conclude
the Kingdom of God is at the Door.
For which Pray, with all manner of Prayer, and Supplication through the
Spirit.
I thought that was interesting and seems to reflect to character of the
journey. Remember one of the Dilmuns is a city in a lake and Nostradamus who
relates it to the Elysian fields.
and this one was interesting to
Quote:
The Dragon may well fight
against this Truth, and may raise Storms of Unbelief, for when ever
this Transmuting
Stone of Wonder does open
upon any one it’s Mystery, such a
blow will be given to his Kingdom, as
shall not only shake it, but make it fall as a Mill-Stone into his own
Bottomless Lake. For hereby Victory will be over
Death, Hell, and Sin, and the Curse will
be removed out of this Principle, and the
Kingdom of
Purity, and Power, and everlasting Joy brought in.
and this piece is interesting about the
transitional period and the certain characteristics that we are familiar
with.
Quote:
But upon whom will it come to
hurt? only them which are found out of the Ark. For I must let you know
from that Spirit, that revealeth things to
come, that before the last general Day of Judgment shall come, this
Deluge shall come at Christ’s third Coming, and
another mighty Noah will be
found, who, in and by Faith, shall
raise and build an Ark,
which no Flames can devour, no more than the Waters could prevail upon the
first Ark. Elijah with his Fiery Chariot will
also come, before this great and notable Day of Christ’s third
Coming, to shew to some the way for to escape
out of this Corporeal State, into that other Principle of the one pure
eternal Element. From whence the Lord, the mighty God, and Saviour
with all his Saints in his time will be
revealed. But know
there will be in this later Day, when Christ shall appear, such an Ark,
that will be all of refined Gold for a Harbour, and
as a City,upon which the Name of everlasting Life, Power,
and Might will be Written. Whereinto the
Wise and Prudent will take Sanctuary, as foreseeing the Destruction
that will come upon all Flesh. Therefore those,
who as Noah are warned of this surprisal Day; take certain Instructions
from the Lord’s Mouth, how to prepare this Celestial Ark, and to
bring in thereunto such, who are willing to
wait in Truth and Soberness in this Body of the Golden Ark, having
put off the Body of the Sins of the Flesh, and as pure naked abstracted
Spirits are free from all entanglements of the Earthly Life
It talks about a city where the prudent and wise take refuge. I think the
journey to the cities is the city of God, the first city. He is taking us on
a history lesson through t he scripts and in the physical journey which is
related to world events.
Just a spot on piece in complete reflection to the one sided and alone
conversation (its probably better that way so the discoveries can continue
without distraction) and yet all pieces found in the above is relevant to
the journey concerning the first places.
Its just spot on
Sevens
Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:57 pm
And here is a big one
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The Interpretation of this Vision.
THEN came the opening Word unto me, to reveal this Vision, and giving me
to understand the Signification of this presentation, denominated it to be
the glorious Ark, which the Heavens hath contained, in which the
everlasting Gospel-Testimony hath been sealed up. Which should as surely
descend, as I did see it in Vision. For it was the Glory, that should
gather in all of the new Creation, with whom the new Covenant should be
established, wherein each one shall come to know God in, and from this
living Testimony, that will open in the Body of the Divine Presence, where
God will be known. While this into the Heavens hath been taken, the Glory
and Power of the Deity hath departed from us. Although the Spirit hath
been for our Comforter, and Teacher: and as the Dove brought out from the
Ark an Olive Branch of Peace, so the Spirit hath often brought forth good
tidings, of our Warfares accomplishing, and the Ark of his Presence
returning, which hath kept us up in good Hope, that at its next
Appearance, not only a Spirit, but a Body all
communicative will be given. It is such a Body into which no Sin
can thrust its self: this only can declare the full and perfect
Redemption.
For this observe that a Spirit without a Body cannot act but in such a
Body, as what is after its own kind, I mean flowingly without stop, and
all powerfully without resistance. Therefore the Spirit of our Lord Jesus
hath yet a difficult and hard work to effect, because he hath to do with a
heavy gross, sluggish Body, into which the evil One can yet send in deadly
fumes, and dark rays, making War and Strife, having all aid from this
Terrestrial World to bring in, what would wound and depress the Spirit of
the Mind; that all single to God would be, if it had but an agreeable
Body, answerable to what its rising Light is, by vertue of its right
Eye-Salve, that hath been applied by the Holy teaching Unction. By which
it is convinced of a necessity, for having arrived to this degree of
Wisdom and Understanding, as now to know, that not withstanding this whole
visible corporeal Body, wherein the Sin hath stirred, yet the Spirit is
naked: for nothing of this is of its own cloathing. Therefore it is,
that Christ warns to get on the white Raiment, lest he would come and find
them naked, and unready to enter with him to the Wedding-Supper. Now of
this very rarely any hath understood or been perswaded to look into, and
to search out the Mystery of it. Therefore we need not marvel, that
the living Body of the Ark hath to none yet descended, for the powerful
Might of the Spiritual Presence to act forth it self in, and by. And truly
it is but yet young days since it hath been
given unto us for to Believe and Hope, that the same Spirit, which
raised our Lord Jesus his dead Body, shall also give a quickening Life to
ours: whereby all those impediments of Dulness, Deadness, and Ponderosity
by reason of Trespasses and Sins shall be done away. But you will say, by
what means can it be possibly so perfect as to have no more Conscience of
Sin? Why for this, take to that, and joyn with that Spirit, that is not
only come to convince of Sin, but is come also (with the help and consent
of our own Spirits) to destroy and utterly take away, by offering up the
Body of the Sins of the Flesh, once for all and ever, that so, we might
not still continue offering, in such a divided weak way, ministering still
the same Lame and imperfect Sacrifices, that can never take away Sin, but
still there is matter of remembrance and complaints made. For indeed it is
not possible, that Iniquity should be Purged till this offering by the
atoning Blood be made in us through the eternal Spirit. Which doth prepare
Room for the most Holy Tabernacle cloathing to be put upon us, in which
the daily Sacrifices for Transgression shall cease, and the perfect
Ministry into the Temple-Body of the Holy Ghost brought in. Then new
offerings of another kind without spot or blemish, we shall bring to our
God. And as separated Ones, and as anointed Priests, we shall bear the Ark
of the Presence of the most Holy, and thereby be secured from all Evils.
For it is the very Body of God, wherein he will appear in Omnipotency as
of old, whom the typical Ark did present in Moses and Joshua’s days. How
did that present the mighty Wonder working-God of the whole Earth and
Heavens? what was able to stand before it? When it did move and rise, was
it not a terrour to the Lord’s Enemies, but a
shelter and a defence of Glory to his chosen Heritage? If the
typical Body of the most Holy being, was such a blessing in the Earth in
its day, what will the real Body it self come
for to be in a sacred Transparency, brought forth into a Manifestation?
It need not to be doubted, but Mighty and Marvelous things will be wrought
in this very Earth, by such whose lot it shall be to take in this real
Heavenly Ark. David might well rejoice, when the Figure of this Ark was
brought into the City of David, for God still made himself known in a
signal way of Blessing. So it is to be understood, that God will have
constituted such a Representative for himself on the Earth, for a most
Holy Spiritual Body, whereat enquiry may be made, for the living Testimony
is God himself there. This is the Glory Isaiah Prophesied of, even in that
very time, when thick and gross Darkness was as a covering spread upon the
people: but upon some chosen out, the Lord, in the Ark of his Strength,
and Brightness of his Rising will be seen, for the bringing in his Sons
and Daughters from afar, that so under the Covert and Wings of the
everlasting Ark, they may be nursed and brought up, for to inhabit with
the high and holy One, in the City that is all Salvation. Well may it be
worth spending our Time, and separating our Minds, and dividing our whole
Hearts from what is no better, than a poor Ark of Reeds and Bullrushes, in
which hath been our present Harbour, that is so slender a shelter, that
every weight crusheth it, and the Earthly Northern Winds blowing do
suddenly blast upon it. Therefore let us, according as I did see a few in
the Vision, be found in a Holy serious Posture, waiting for this our
Body-Ark of invincible Might and Strength. Who knows but it may open and
become the Blessing of our Day, while we are in a fixed Spirit looking out
for it, owning and professing our selves to be as a Spirit without a Body,
naked and powerless; And are not able to work the Mighty Deeds, that are
proper to them, whose Spirits are in such high and near Alliance to God:
and should shew it forth somewhat in a more eminent manner, as appearing
in another fashion, and carrying a greater Presence of Power, Wisdom, and
Glory. Plainly hereby declaring, we are of those, who do expect the
Adoption, to wit, the Ark of this divine powerful Body, in which we may
perfect Holiness and Redemption, according to the Will of our Lord Jesus.
THE next Morning calling it over again, and
observing the way, which the Spirit dictated, as
the Fish into the Sea did sink to bring up the Treasury of Light and
Knowledge which was hereby found, being explained unto me by an
internal Voice, which told me, that I had seen
the gulfof Eternal Light, from whence the matter was
generated. This Spirit of Power and
Life, that shall enter into Nature all of God to
renew evidently, where this shall have its opening, it will
work consumingly, and yet therefrom shall
come a Body of encrease, that shall be Mighty
upon the Earth. For it is the sparkling
Fire-Seed from the Deity, that will for
it self create a meet
Tabernacle for the Holy
Trinity’s Manifestation. Then was it
declared that this Sacred Fire had now begun
its enkindling in our Earth,therefore
have regard unto it, that nothing of this World quench it, but keep
it pure and entire, and then the Deity will
sprinkle that with Fuel: For its great encrease shall be brought
forth substantially,
into working
Powers, operatively to make good and fulfill all of Prophesie;
which only the sure Testimony can give, that God is again returned into
Humanity, therein
to fulfill the grand Mystery of a compleat Redemption.
Which no other way finished can be, but through this Fire-Baptism, which
each one may and must feel in themselves, as a
rising pleasant Flame, which will do no other hurt, but to consume
that, which hath been introduced from the strange Spirits. Therefore let
us seek and pray earnestly for this
Celestial
spring to rise, for to recover us into the
original Purity, to which we have lain so long, as slain.
Spot on
sevens
Rev. 5.9 And they sang a new Song,
saying, Thou art worthy to take the Book, and to open the Seals thereof.
1Cor.1.10 For God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit, for the Spirit
searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
More from Jane Lead, if my hunch is right there should some clues he\in the
following.
THE Seven Seals, the Seven Thunders, and the New Jerusalem State
An E P I S T L E
To the living Stones gathered, and to be gathered to Christ, the
Foundation Stone, (where-ever hid, scattered and dispersed) who
are elected in God for the New-Jerusalem-Glory and Mount-Zion-Church; all
Love, Grace, Peace, and Joy be multiplied from him who was, is, and
is to come.
THE Establishment of the restored Sion-Church cannot be by Man or after
Manly Wisdom, but by the holy Spirit which Christ our Prince and Saviour
hath sent in his own Name, to build upon the Foundation of the
Father and the Son; a Rock indeed, which remaineth steady and unshaken
from Time to Eternity. And indeed, who else is found sufficient
for the gathering and building of these holy Temple-Stones, that are to be
fitly compacted together, to make up this glorious Church, that may be
presented all fair, without Spot, as becomes the Spouse and Bride of the
Lamb, which you will find the whole subject of the following Revelations
tend to, even to the bringing out of all that are found in Lifeless Forms,
into the very substantial Life and Ministration of the holy Spirit, where
the Increase and growing up is known, into that Body, in which God will
move and work all; for the which end all Prophecies that have been from
the foundation of the World, may have their fulfilling in this last Age;
The Rock in the physical could be the anomalies of Dalamatia which was the
first place of the Sons of God that you can still see, its still there after
500,000 years. I was completely intuiged by this verse in revelation.
Rev. 5.9 And they sang a new Song, saying, Thou art
worthy to take the Book, and to
open the Seals thereof.
The new book where people sung a new song and to open and crack the mystery
of our heritages.
Sevens
Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:13 am
Quote:
Therefore while ye in the state of Minority
are, and have need to be under Pastors and Teachers, till you are come up
to the highest Form, ready prepared and qualified for the great Master
Teacher to undertake you, even the holy Spirit, who will perfect whatever
was lacking in other Teachings, and through other Mediums, for which
direct your Eye, waiting in a peaceable Concord and silent Harmony, in
your own Jerusalem within, whereupon written is to be,
Holiness to the Lord in every Property; and then you will come to know the
fresh Pasture-springs, which are only under the
breaking-up-Seal of the holy Unction, where no defiled foot hath ever come
to raise the Dust to discolour this golden Stream. This is the
ministration which you will find the following Openings to point out and
lead to; and though as yet it be an unbeaten
Path, which the Lord hath by his Instrument now declared, and made known in
way of Vision and Prophecy;
yet it is the true Day-star that will give its own light and
witness: Therefore let the Wonderers, Despisers and Contemners
take heed of making a Mock of that which the Alpha and Omega will own and
stand by, as his express Mind, who prohibited the publisher hereof from
altering the way and manner of the revealing of these great and
deep things. Therefore you have them unpolished, in their own
naked Simplicity as they were every day revealed & given forth, not in the
dress of human Wisdom; no, they are of another descent, and the
spiritual Ones in God will feel, know and taste from what
Treasure-House they proceed:
sevens
Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:26 am
In the following seems to be 7 stage process of
the revealing from Jane Lead.
THE First was a circuling
Cloud of Light, from whence uncessant Revelation would spring, and open
what was never known before, concerning the
invisible Scenes of Glory, to which the mortal Man hath been
altogether a stranger, not having understood his
original Royalty. But where Christ, the central Light, is entered
into the Soul’s Essence, there everlasting Light doth break,
which shews invisible things in their first
pure Ground (the original places), where the eternal Fire-Soul
moves strong to come out of an impotent weak Life, that hath been shut up
in this vile Body of Sin; the Light of Revelation making it restless any
longer to abide therein, and so it is made to
pursue another beginning from a new-rising-Spring, flowing from the
God-head, that affords strength for a Co-deified operation, which
may give a
living Testimony, that a
new Spring is
appearing out of an old Tree, whose Sap is
renewed to bring forth the second Property of
the holy Ghost, as another Fruit bearing Branch.
(Really says it all concering Dalamatia City and all the other cities
concerning original royalty, going back to the pass where man is a
complete stranger. The "which shews invisible things in their
first pure Ground" the spirit of lord reveales the ancient places
in the physical connected to a new books harmonised with the other books,
a unification, salve and balm in the personal experience. This whole
journey is the new spring appearring out of the old spring, going way back
in the past of our heritages.)
Which Branch is put forth from the all-encompassing-Element,
wherein the Soul is baptized, as in a Cloud of Fire; whoever they be that
come to know this, need no greater Witness, as to their own particular,
for they know their dwelling is in the very center Heart of God;
they are fed and cherished with the Blood of
Life, and oily Lamp that makes all the Body within to be as a burning
Cherubim, that at times and season can mount & fly into the very
Heavens: Though this be yet a mystical and dark Speech, and little
experienced, yet know, the time of Elijah is
nigh, and a Whirl-wind is descending from the Alpha and Omega, to take up
the slain Witnesses, who have been in the World so undervalued. The
Ascension-Gate by this bright Key is unlocked, to go in after him, who was
translated from among Men, so as not to be yet
hid in the Mystery: And thus shall it be
again, though in another Form and Model; for these Elijah Prophets,
though they shall be redeemed from every thing which is of the degenerate
Nature, yet in this shall differ from Elijah, for whereas he was taken up,
and seen no more among Men, these in their viable Persons shall remain on
the Earth, and every where carry along with them their encompassing
Chariots of Fire, which shall be discoverable to
none but the Ministering Elijah’s, that will not cease to follow
fully, where the Life Witness doth remain after
this sort and kind.
The Third out-flowing Property of the holy Ghost, which ushers in
Christ’s Reign, is this, that a simplified naked Soul, coming forth from
the baptizing Cloud, puts on a Cloathing of impregnable defense and power,
viz. A meer Magical Body, such as the Lord Christ had after his
Resurrection, consisting of the one pure Element, which can swallow up the
visible gross substance of Flesh, that it may no longer be an Impediment
to the Soul's running its Race: Indeed such a Body is very suitable for
the great things that are to be wrought by the christed Kings on Earth;
for if provision of such a Body were not made by Christ, it would be in
vain for him to go about to settle his Kingdom, where the Beast and Dragon
have had their Dominion so long, and who will not now be dethroned upon a
slight account: They will hold their Propriety in the outward Husk of the
Body, when they can find no place for themselves in the Soul:
Therefore the Lord hath revealed, That he will turn the very Body into its
Paradisiacal Property again, that the dark Prince and his Agents
may not be able to overthrow the Lord’s personal reign in his Saints; who
would desire no fairer mark to shoot their Arrows at, than a frail mortal
Body of Flesh. Wherefore the Lord hath said,
That he will raise a firm Tabernacle, which no earthly Weapon shall
be able to pierce, which will be a fit Garment to last out the thousand
Years: Let the Just and Holy believe this, and see all this finished
first, in the Kingdom that is within the Soul’s Essence, and then such may
conclude that they shall assume a visible Power and Right to reign with
Christ, over all Kingdoms of this World in Magical Might.
The Fourth out going Power of the holy Ghost, sets the Soul free
in the eternal liberty, from all Conflicts which the Dragon, or the starry
Region hath introduced, for the Soul now is influenced by those superior
Planets, to which these outward Planets are subject. The Soul & Christ are
in a mutual agreement, to break away from the Infectious Rays of Time and
Mortality; being encompassed with that Sun that will set no more, nor
with-draw; for it is the glory of seven Dayes, that runs its Circle
without the least diminishing of its Light, and fixeth the Soul in its
pure splendorous Body; when the Soul shall find it self in another form of
Life, and seated as a high Principality before Jehovah’s Throne, attending
there to know the counsel and decrees of the Sovereign Majesty, under whom
is managed all inferior Government, which shall be committed to those who
reign with Christ the Lord: Oh! this will be a
wonderful time indeed ! For while the Lord is opening these things to me,
I am as one sunk into theAbyssal Ground,
where I am as nothing, till he put forth a
piercing Ray from his flaming Eye, to
fetch my Spirit up again; who thus spake
unto me, Stand thou up, and hear and declare the new Model of my Reign,
and let it be published; for it is time to awaken those who are ordained
for the first-Resurrection, that they may no longer sleep in the
day-break of my appearance: And do thou
solemnly set thy Heart to the great Immunities that are revealed,
not only for speculation, but for fulfilling,
where great Earnestness shall be found. Thus the holy One
set home his Word, and causeth it to pass
through a Vessel that is nothing to be accounted of, whereat my self
stands amazed, what should move the Lord thus to appear, and hold such a
free Converse, and leave such weighty things in trust with me? Oh!
What can be said, but that it is the Good-will and Pleasure of my Christ
and King, who will change Tin and Dross
into Gold, as it pleaseth him?
The Fifth Property of the Holy Ghost is
that, whereby the Soul gets free from the striving Elements, and comes to
Rest and Peace, all Wars and Combats ceasing. The Soul having got up these
four ascending Steps towards the Throne, can now look down like a Tower of
strength, terrible to all the lower Inhabitants round about: It is a
Palace compacted within it self, knowing nothing but a serene Peace and
Concord; neither Dragon nor Beast do so much as attempt to come here, for
Love and Peace is their Hell and Torment. Christ’s personal Reign in his
Saints consists of Peace, Power, Love & Joy; the holy Ghost moveth in the
mild and meek Property from the Water of Life,
that captivates the Enmity and Strife, and shuts up the dark Center with
all its Spirits: This carries a two-fold meaning, for first it is to be
understood of that Love and Peace which possesseth the whole inward
Hemisphere of the Soul; and in the next place of the same Love flowing
forth and diffusing it self through all the Subjects of that peaceful
Kingdom, which Christ will establish in the high Angelical Harmony of
Love.
The Sixth out-flowing Property, is the Omnipotence of God exerted in the
renewed part, in an absolute and Almighty Dominion, that admits of no
control. Here is no need of going out to borrow Gifts or Powers, which are
now fixed in the Soul to manifest the Wonders of
the Magia, which hath been shut up in
Wisdom’s Principle, whose Virgins Crown
of Power is sent down as a signal
Testimony of the Kingly Reign that must prevail over all the Earth.
The bright flaming Standard of Christ’s Personality will be of that
Magnificence, as to draw home the dispersed and scattered Flock, which
hath suffered Violence in this Babylonish Kingdom:
A Jubilee will be proclaimed by them, to whom
this Dominion shall first come. They, the Head-Kings and Leaders
are appointed to shine forth as Stars, that shall bear such sway in God’s
Omnipotency, as shall make all the Elect to
haste and fly to this Kingdom, as Doves to the Windows, where all
occasions of complaint about the Necessities of Life shall be cut off,
because Wisdom’s Store-house shall from the Inherent Omnipotency,
abundantly supply whatsoever is needful of this kind.
The Paradisiacal lost Power shall be restored
in a higher degree than ever, to the end that Self-Love and
Propriety may be taken away, which cannot enter
into Christ’s Kingdom; for the Lord hath averred, That none who are
thus spirited shall ever his Kingdom inherit. The vast and inexhaustible
Treasure of divine riches cannot be
enjoyed in Propriety, but only in Loves
Communion.
The Seventh and Last Property of the holy Ghost, that gives witness to
Christ’s Reign, doth consist in a Life of Praise & Exaltation, which goeth
forth in the Angelical Tongues, Powers, and Sounds of so many perfumed
Offerings, paying an everlasting Love-Tribute of Joy to
the Ancient of Dayes, by and
in whom they are come to
reign over all Kingdoms in this World, in
Christ’s personal Power: The
New Hallelujahs from the Fire-breath of
the Holy Ghost shall be the Holy Sport and Celestial Play of the
Children of this Kingdom: All their Works shall speak forth the
Praises of the Most High; for Wisdom’s Spirit will act so high, and in
such a mysterious manner, as hitherto
hath not been known; all which miraculous
Powers have been reserved to make up the Glory of Christ’s second coming
in his Representatives here on Earth: For if the Lord should not in
this manner demonstrate his Godhead-Power in his Saints, they would be set
very light by, and it would be a vain thing to assume the Title and Name
of Kings without anointing Power suitable to it. No Dominion, whether
inward or outward, can be maintained without Loves Omnipotency. And truly,
my Lord hath assured me, that he hath made large and full Provision for
this Day, who upon some private Objections of my own, said to me, Be thou
nothing doubtful concerning all the great Things of my Kingdom, which have
been opened to thee from the Center of Light; they have
been
revealed for a ground of Faith The Head of the Dyal is moving towards the
fixed Hour, which will manifest all these working Powers of the holy
Ghost: :Wherefore
do not streighten thy self, nor any to whom this Word shall come, but run
out in a spacious large Belief, answerable to Loves-Power, and the ability
of the object, to whom the Eye of Faith is
directed: For wonderful things are upon the Wheel, by which you may
know it is high time to put forth your Hands to raise and awaken that
which hath been so long asleep. This was the concluding Word of Counsel
from the Lord.
And Springing up in all the Variety of Spiritual Plants; Blown up by the
Pure breath into
A PA R A D I S E,
Sending forth their Sweet Savours,
A Bundle of Revelations Untied,
And to be Dispersed to such as are Impartial Seekers, and
Unwearied Searchers into the Deep Things of GOD: Which are only Knowable
to that Holy Spirit, that diggeth into the Rich Mines and Treasury of
WISDOM: Of which the Author hereof was under a Powerful Driving for the
Space of about Thirty Years; keeping a Private Recollection to her self,
as they did from Time to Time open, and come down as a Burning Shower;
not knowing whether they should have been made Publick in her Age, but
thinking rather they might be kept as a
Garden Enclosed, and as a Fountain Sealed.
another
Quote:
I shall now wind
up all with a Caution to two Ranks: the First shall be to the Unlearned
and Ignorant in this Method and Way of the Spirit’s Manifestation. Which
is, that they do forbear Rash and Censorious Judgment upon those Things
that are at present above their Reach. For as they desire not to be
prevented and bereaved of the Great Benefit of Divine Inspiration, and
the Assistances of the Holy Ghost, my Advertisement to such is, that
they become Simple and Child-like, and adventure upon the Conduct and
Manifestations of the Holy Spirit, [color=blue]then
will they find another manner of fruitful Life will in them
spring[/color], and no reason shall they have to repent for Acquiescing
to the Divine Will herein. The Second Caution shall be to that sort,
which are already Initiated into this our Mystick and Supersensual
Wisdom, that may have with me run deep into
the Ocean of what is Mysterious and Wonderful for Knowledge.
First I must caution you, with my self, to keep very Low, entering into
a Self-Annihilation, so as a Nothing to be,
with reference to the Creaturely Being, that the All-Deifick Unction may
arise as an overflowing Tide: and never to think we have obtained by all
that we have yet reached to, what yet remains of those Immense
Treasures, which are yet further to be Revealed.For there is still a growing Tree of Life,
that reneweth all Variety of Wisdom; as you will in part find by
this Present, as well as by some Foregoing Books by me Published.
and more clues
Quote:
Thus
having given you a true narrative of the Several Removes and Risings,
from one Degree to another, from Depths to Heights, and from Heights
again to Depths; out of which hath been brought forth very Marvellous
and Wonderful Secrets: which it was the
pleasure of the Fountain of Spirits to distribute and communicate; being
such Mysterious Things as haply may be rarely found elsewhere; which
hath often me astonished, that such Unusual and Strange a Method the
Spirit should take with me, opening such things. But it hath been given
me to know, upon a Diligent Inquiry, that there is an Age coming on, the
like to which hath not yet been, to whom these Prophesies and
Revelations do belong. So that though the Day of my Life is far spent,
so that I may not see the full Harvest, of what is by the Spirit sown
here, to be reaped; yet assured I am that all is reserved for a Glorious
Time, wherein shall arise a New Generation, that clothed upon will be
with such a Mantle, as is interwoven with Light, Wisdom, Knowledge and
Flaming Power. Among which there may be some that I may bear the
Memorial of a Mother to as well Natural as Supernatural;
that may
possibly succeed in the same Spirit, which I shall pray may be as
Wisdom’s Key, to go on to open in them the Golden Remains, which are yet
to be brought forth, for the promulgation of the Priestly and
Prophetical Kingdom, upon the Earth. So now
I shall conclude, requesting you as you shall draw in any Light, or feel
any Refreshment herefrom, that you would join with me in
Acclamations and
Praises to the Ancient
of Days, who hath put into the Hands
of a
Good-willer to these Divine Mysteries, to bring forth
into the Publick, what might otherwise have
been left in Oblivion and Secresie. And it is my peculiar Request, which
I this place leave, that the Nations may bless, and pray for
such an Instrument that hath given a Proof of
so Universal a Love to All. So that the Fulness of all Blessings
and Showers from the Heavenly Powers, may descend upon the Impartial and
Single-hearted Readers and Good-willers hereof, shall be the constant
Invocation and Prayer of her, who while living in the Body, shall never
cease to serve all her Fellow-Members, in the Gift of God, Universally.
J. Lead. 1696.
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and another about the divine stone which could mean the 7 commands,
the wonder stone
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Divine Openings and Revelations since the Year MDCLXX.
The First Vision that appeared to me was in the Month of April, 1670.
Which was on this wise;
BEING my lot at that time to visit a
Friend in a solitary Country-place, where I had great advantage of
Retirement, often frequenting lonely Walks in a Grove or Wood;
contemplating the happy State of the Angelical World; and how desirous
I was to have my Conversation there, my
thoughts were much exercised upon Solomon’s Choice, which was to find
out the NobleStone of
Divine Wisdom; [Margin Note: See the
Preface to the Laws of Paradise] for by
acquainting my self with her, all desirable good in Spiritual things
would meet upon me. The Report and Fame that Solomon gave of
Wisdom, did much excite me to seek her Favour and Friendship;
demurring in my self from whence she was descended, still questioning
whether she was a distinct Being from the Deity or no? Which while in
this debate within my Mind, there came upon me an overshadowing bright
Cloud, and in the midst of it the Figure of a Woman, most richly
adorned with transparent Gold, her hair hanging down and her Face as
the terrible Crystal for brightness, but her Countenance was sweet and
mild. At which sight I was somewhat amazed, but immediately this Voice
came, saying, Behold I am God’s Eternal Virgin-Wisdom, whom thou hast
been enquiring after; I am to unseal the
Treasures of God’s deep Wisdom unto thee, and will be as
Rebecca was unto Jacob, a true Natural Mother; for out of my Womb thou
shalt be brought forth after the manner of a Spirit, Conceived and
Born again: this thou shalt know by a New Motion of Life, stirring and
giving a restlessness, till Wisdom be born within the inward parts of
thy Soul. Now consider of my Saying till I return to thee again.
exactly the journey in all aspect to me its a total confirmation of
everything about the this journey of the mysteries related to the first
places!
and here is a synchronicity in this discovery check out the date 20th
October and look at the time stamp of these posts 20th October... ahahah
gotta a have laugh!
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I had observed
her Charge, and her Secrets should be with me,
and that I should know such things from a deep
Ground, as had not been broken up
of late Ages:
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Then will
it be seen what the Conjoyning of the Eternal Constellations bringeth
forth upon the hidden Man through their Fiery Drivings which now thrust
forward for Consummation, that I might see the issue of what I have been
made to hope and believe, and pray for: Though Prophecies and
Revelations do for a time most delightfully entertain the Internal
Senses, yet short they are of the Body which consisteth of the Heavenly
Things themselves: as it is well said, Prophecies, Tongues, and Faith,
and Hope shall have their Cessation, but the
Kingdom of the Love, all Concord, the bright Bodified Spirit that hath
received Dominion as a super-addition, is beyond the Priestly and
Prophetical Office.
But while I was reaching after, and inquiring when I might expect the
coming down of the
Seven-Throne-Powers which are the
Pillars of this Kingdom, by whom it
will be established for ever in the Perfection of Righteousness, the
Word said to me,
Rest a while, these two are the foregoing
Ministrations that will make much for the third, the Holy Order of a
Priest to give attendance in the Tabernacle, is no light thing to
be near to the Majesty of Purity, which requires a perfect Consecration.
For the Holy Being will have none
about him to minister to him, but anointed Ones, from whom may be smelt
the Spicy Perfume, that so nothing of the dead
unsavory part may be felt;
this will qualifie for the Ordination of the Power
whereby thou wilt find ability to fetch in out of
the
secret Tower, where is kept for every full grown
one, this presented
great Jewel of Power:
:which I dare not to any commit, till they perfectly
become wise, of a sound and unchangeable mind to
keep secret what the will-pleasure of the
Deity is to have from the unworthy to be concealed; no unfaithful
Delilah ever more shall herewith be intrusted, which of a double mind
be, which goeth after any Lover besides me;
therefore
make proof of Truth,
Love and Loyalty in a fixed Virginity,
before
this discovery be made
forth in Verity:
but this know, the true Nazarite is with Him
who will not be deceived in his choice, as the figurative
Sampson was.
The Secret Tower...mmmm I wonder if that is direct reference to the
foundations of the Tower of Babel in Dilmun?? or Babeludd where Jesus
descends to defeat Satan?
another fragment, it just keeps on going
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to draw out his Heart more to thee,
till he shall make known his great Secrets
unto thee. I well know this is the only precious thing, no one
can ever privy here unto be made, till Wisdom be the Bride-Garment upon
their Eternal Man, then ravished with thy Beauty, and with a pleasant
Aspect will Emmanuel look towards thee, and
give thee to read within the seven
sealed Book: There is the interpretation
of all in the History, as from whence I give
thee to understand the
Mystery of the Nazarite’s seven Locks,
they answer to the seven Seals of this
Book of Life, which only is to be opened by
the Virgin, completed in the seven number
of Spirits, which
are
the seven
All-seeing Eyesthat only can read in
this Book,
which is the true Ground-work of all those
wrestling working Properties, which moved are by me, as thou dost
in thy self feel, a new Frame and Model for
great and precious substance to be taken into: therefore take
heed now, and for no common use let thy
inward part any more be; for
these Throne-Powers which have visited
thee, will admit no mixture of company: all of one sort
in pure Harmony
will meet in this Love-paved Sanctuary, where thy all
desirable fellowship will there in the free
Liberty dwell, and where opportunity thou wilt have in Love’s Sanctuary,
to dive and
search, till thou findest out
what lieth hid within the Breast of thy worthy Nazarite,who now hath received his full Dowry: the
Father hath invested him with all Power, to a full and perfect state of
Glory he is now instated; then doubt not but he hath wherewith
abundantly to gratifie thee: a higher and greater Match I could not
contrive for my self in thee; consider hereof well, and carry it
according to my Counsel, then shalt thou his Heart still draw down, the
Tabernacle of witness in thy Heaven, the Rainbow in the Cloud, which
thou hast seen, as the Mark or Seal of the
Covenant betwixt God and thee, according as it is written in the
Prophets, He shall be
given for a
Covenant:
and
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I have provided this
other Book, to be
unloosened:
The Seven Seals no longer shall before it stand,
because I in favour am with the Lamb,
who from his
Virgin-Spouse will nothing hide:
Therefore in my Light you may in this Book see where you may come to
your lost dignity. It may well be Wisdom’s Book of Revelation
entitled; for without me you here could
nothing understand, though it stood all open to you,
the Interpreter I my self must be, to tell
you Letter by Letter,
for you know not yet what
number
it is that makes up your
New Name,
which till you do see, what
challenge can be made to the rest of the
whole inrolled Mystery, but as in a Metaphorical Look through
my Glass, in the first Leaf unfolded thou
wilt see the engraving of thatName
withLetters of Gold.
Incredible I wonder if the number is Sevens the new name, part of the
Seven throne which goes even further to the Ancient of Days.
Anyway pretty amazing find in the timeline of the journey to the
ancient, first places.
sevens
Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:39 pm
November the 3rd.
The Divine A N G L E R.
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THERE was presented to me a Person, Angling upon the
Brink of a River, to catch Fish; but his Labour was fruitless.
So that he gave off, being hopeless. Then came
another Person and said, Be not
Discouraged, but follow me: Behold, and
see, I have got an Angle that hath such a Bait, as all the Fish
in the River will fall upon it. And
accordingly I beheld multitudes in a cluster brought up by it. Then
cryed out that first Person, Surely the Lord, who is the great
Fish-taker, in verity is come here, and hath wrought this Miracle
indeed.
Whereupon the Person went into the Deep, and having
vanished down into it, drew up the Fish:
and cryed, If ye will here follow me, ye shall the Principal Fish
take; but under Water ye must learn to Dive, and again know how to
Rise. Consider, and find out this Parable:
for here is Meat for the Strong.
Amazing, I can relate to this in the
fullest sense, absolutely 100% I know all about that. being at a low
state but with the flicker of faith that drawing one on. Particularly in
this journey. wow! I can see many parallels to my own life involved in
commercial fishing from physical in the air and big led to catching Jags
of fish even breaking records in the industry and all the while I was
thinking about being a fisher of men inspired by reading the UB at that
time and knowing Biblical knowledge from my bible college times. About
Bible college, I just want to say that I really honor those times and
very much came out of those times that have held me in good stead
throughout the whole journey. It was a good thing thing that I open to
explore that path which led to a very great path of planetary
consequence in truth, beauty and goodness. Im glad I made that decision
to seek the Lord first and to find out about God. It was a good time and
the people where great! Bless them all and I hope they doing fine.
The whole process in the journey to the ancient places has gone on for
years now writing everyday documenting and has taught me how to dive and
rise to the surface in seeing the whole complete construct in this
journey related to revelatory transition. Its just incredible how this
confirms in the literal experience and in spiritual metaphor certain
phases of my life. Inward and outward. There is so much in all this that
is just a major reflection in may aspects of my personal experience even
in the fishing industry and with spiritual thoughts of being Fishers of
men. I just praise the Father in so many ways as to experience this. And
remembering the actual moment of dedication to seek out the places out
in the Western Pacific desiring to find the places under the full moon
light night on a calm sea on a sea of peace under the sea of infinity.
This fragment is about the the expedition's to the lost cities and the
discovery of them and the recovery of the Seven commands, the prize and
the crown related to the new covenant.
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But from this it was
shewn me,
that
this River figureth out God himself, and the
pure Angelical Spirits, that move in God as in the Glassy Sea:
wherein contained are the vast Riches that none in
Flesh can see, nor fathom; till they
changed be into such a Body as in God their Watery Element to live,
and
there to swim, and dive for the unutterable precious Stones, to bring
them up, according as need doth require. It is
not the Angling upon the Outside of the River,
but the Adventuring into it will obtain the desired Prize.
And consider what Bait is to be
the attracting Matter, to draw both
Spirits and Substances
of this unto us. Now then it may needfully be inquired into,
what this Bait compounded of
is, for drawing Angelical Spirits,
that will also soon draw us after
them?
Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:05 pm
Finding good stuff all
the time.
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§ 4.
Wisdom appearing to me, I inquired of her who these were; who told me,
they were the Ancient and Late Worthies taught by Her, in her
Divine Magical Stone, both in the
Inward and in the Outward: and that
the Time was now approaching, wherein
she was to make New Artists in this Theosophical Wisdom, that should
put a New Face upon what hath been
Disfigured, and under a Cloud of Contempt, Ignorance, and Ignominy.
For no other way than this could be found,
but as
this Deep Mine, wherein this Treasure hath so long lain hidden, should
be broken up.
Then the Apostle John to whom this Mystery
was well known, and who was the Person that had before spoken
to me, spake thus to me, saying,
As there is
a Natural Stone, so there is a Spiritual Stone,
which is the Root and Ground of what is brought forth visibly by the
Sons of Art. And as the Outward is
Bodily, and consists in a manual Operation, and takes up a
considerable Time for its perfecting; so is the inward gradually
wrought out, and may require as many Years as the other doth Months,
before it reach to its Consummation.
Then I enquired of the Angel, John, How I should go about Working it?
He answered me, There must be a Cessation of all Working, as to the
Powers of Nature: And I will describe to thee the Method that is to be
taken, by the Similitude of the Outward. As there is a Furnace to be
Built in that, so the Corporeal Man answers to that, wherein the
Fire-seed of the pure Deity doth enkindle it self from the Essence of
the Soul, finding a sanctified Vessel meetly prepared herefor. Now as
to the Matter which is to be wrought upon, it is the Divine Salt, put
into a pure clear Crystalline Glass, that is pure Spirit.
Furthermore, know thou that
this
Salt is hidden in all Men,
but it hath lost its savour, and is the
Light Principle that contains all Principles, Man being an
Epitome of all Worlds, though unknown to himself.
Whence he may find in himself whatever he
searcheth for: but this cannot be done,
until the Salt-Stone,
which hath lain as Dead, cometh to be Quickened by Christ the Fire-Stone,
that calcines the Blackness into a jasper Brightness and Whiteness.
This is the true Theosophical Medicine that doth gradually work from
it self, of it self, and to it self, as a grain of Wheat is sown, and
by the Concurrence of the Sun and outward Planets, forms itself into a
Body. It is only to be watched that no Ravenous Birds do come to pick
it up, before it arrive to its Maturity.
For thus it is with the Golden Stone, which lies hid in the
Ground of Nature, which is nourished by the warm fiery
influences of the Divine Sun, and watered
by the moist Sperm of the Spiritual Luna, which
causeth it to vegetate, by the
Coagulation of the Planetary Powers
of the higher Order,
drinking and swallowing up the weaker and lower, by which Dominion is
obtained over all what is Astral and
Elementary. Thus the Beloved John did open the Nature
of this
Royal Stone,
as it opened in him in the isle of Patmos, when he was said to be in
the Spirit. And he told me further, That where the Universal Love was
born in any one, it was the true
signature, that this Seraphick
Stone would have its
Formation.
The deep mine is Dalamatia City one of the treasure houses "but
as this Deep Mine, wherein this Treasure hath so long lain hidden,
should be broken up"
The Salt stone or the Royal Stone or the Seraphic stone is the Seven
commands. The Seraphim's of this mission, the Sevenfold Scheme are
directly related to the Sevenfold which is in direct linage to the
Ancients of Days. You could say that the Sevenfold Seraphim's of the
Sevenfold Scheme is the Office of the Ancients of Days.
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How will the Bridegroom
rejoyce to see his Bride as a spotless Lily,
growing under the sturdy
Tree of Life, who therefrom will pluck and present herewith the most
lovely Fruits that
this new revived Eden-Garden
do afford;here
are private Walks, sweet pleasant Groves, where the Lamb with his
Virgin Bride may fully solace, and none do them espy; Spirit
with Spirit can walk and talk very hiddenly, linked and wrapped up in
the
Mystery of the Trinity in Unity,
from out of whose Arms none shall ever more pluck out
And how happy will Jesus be and for his servants as they they
accomplished the great feat through faith alone in the Father in the
journey to the ancient places and how joyous we will all be, sitting
with Jesus himself under the tree of life of which we today are effected
by the knowledge of it and its eternal knowledge in this journey to all
ancient places which includes 1stEden, directly!
For one thing I am certain of that Jesus, the Son of Man is directly
involved in guidance in this journey to ancient places, he himself is
personally involved. Because he is our true friend and he really loves
all mankind and wants mankind to be successful, very successful in the
path to the Father which is individual and personal.
alright yea!
sevens
Still going on the same link, its like going
through someone lifetime of work from the 17th century in quick speed
trying to find the applicable fragments and matching characteristics to
the reality in the journey.
I was curious about this piece in its reference to 1stEden, maybe it has
metaphor this reality of 1stEden as we know it through the source
material that led to the missions there.
Ah, my Mother, I do not
say how can, but how and when must the
Accomplishment of this be, for which I am now in such dying
Agonies, that this New Glorified Life might only appear? While thus in
secret Debate I was contesting, because my
Hopes were delayed, as to the present Age, which gives right to
an Estate of Glory at Hand: which is the
Manifestation who are Jewels belonging to the Crown-Royal;
O what Raptures of Love’s Divine did I feel, ardently desiring a
Dissolution from my own Creaturely Being, and from all others who in
corrupt Nature’s Genealogy do live, as one wearied and tired out of
all, seeking only Fellowship and Bosom-Rest
with my Mother in the free New Jerusalem, as it is known in its
descent into the habitable Parts of a
renewed Earth,inclosed for
the precious noble Seed to put forth in their manifold Virtues,
Powers, Colours and Operations.
All which be kept in their vigorous fragrant sweetness,
as a ready Entertainment for the High Throne-Powers to welcome
themselves here in Mystical Paradise, in which
Wisdom hath recreated and formed another Adam, being Male and Female,
a Production of her own Virgin-Nature, as upon my Expostulation was
opened to me, who bad me not despond,
but be of
good cheer, for she was come to renew the beautious and fresh Glory of
the now declined withered Garden,
formerly called Eden,
but now so over-grown with prickling carking caring Bryars, unsavoury
Plants, all
concurring to make desolate and ravenous.
Again its the current reality and the resurrection of the knowledge of
the past through the discoveries of the ancient places which one of them
mentioned Eden. Its this precursor which is the activation of the coming
of the throne powers, its an entry point of there presence and arrival.
The discovery of 1stEden by Robert Sarmast was an important initial
first stage that has led to other places as through a history lesson.
This is reflected in the above.
Sevens
Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:50 am
I find it
interesting that soon after British solders where taken hostage and who
where released soon after. Blair quits his job in an attempt to make for
peace and even to this level of a interfaith group to work out the
differences between religions that lead to this extremity.
I think thats a reasonable contribution from the path of war and
conflict.
It was interesting that I revealed the ancient places and links to both
sides when in conflict over the hostages only to be released soon after.
III never know if that was reason but it was intriguing that whole
experience being there, doing what I did and seeing the changes in
paths.
EXTRACTED OUT
OF A BOOK [written by Jane
Lead in 1697] ENTITLED,
" A Message To The Philadelphian Society, whithersoever dispersed over the
whole Earth",
This was first published in the April, 1697 edition of the "Theosophical
Transactions", by the Philadelphian Society .
The Soul having got up these four ascending
Steps towards the Throne, can now look down like a Tower of strength,
terrible to all the lower Inhabitants round about: It is a Palace
compacted within it self, knowing nothing but a serene Peace and Concord;
neither Dragon nor Beast do so much as attempt to come here,
for Love and Peace is their Hell and Torment
That's why many many people who channel in our times have never predicted
the discovery of these places. Not one, they will talk about everything else
but they will never talk about this. There information that guides them will
never come to this place, they all avoid it because they don't know about it
and through pride and prejudice they don't read the scriptures and
everything else related to the Father. I believe the great mystery was to be
accomplished through the scriptures, writings of previous servants, and
seers who worked with Melchizedek and the Holy Spirit and through a new book
written by heaven which is the prime base and through faith and trust, in
the inner guidance as expressed. That's it, no miracles, just faith in the
word and words of everything, not just one book but all of them related to
religion. Some more than others but all relevant in one way or another.
However, through some individuals by the action of the Holy Spirit in the
past 2 thousands years I believe there has been a few that have described in
great detail the journey to the ancient places. That's all that's needed
just a few to relay the message to the final construct, every piece makes
part of the whole. God doesn't need to use thousands. The disciples I
believe where used in this operation and there probably more are St Ephraim,
Nostradamus and Jane Lead within this 2000 years and where used in this long
term operation.
The commonality between these people is the commonality of the religion and
the Holy Spirit, these people where servants of Jesus and I believe they
knew there bible. Also I remember reading in Jane Lead somewhere that this
will happen of a foreign coast.
I believe all the channel these days in their final construct are flat
out wrong! There all wrong, all of them. I believe their will be only one
right reality that will happen and I wouldn't be surprised if its this one
regardless what people think.
Gotta see what happens.
Sevens
Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:08 am Confirmation
As you can see lately I have been
researching Jane Lead to see if there are clues and reflections to this journey
and the Seven Commands, the unutterable Wonder Stone. I must say it has been a
wonderful journey as I see direct reflections of Jane Lead to now. I am
certainly impressed at find this at this time.
Also recently, I was wrestling about the functions of the office especially
regarding price and reward in terms of raising funds to launch an expedition to
Dalamatia City. It occurred to me that as I reading Jane Lead there where
references to the Office I noticed, So I thought I would do a word search on the
word office with important highlights. I believe I received my answer.
Here is a compile of the instances of the word "Office" in fountains of the
Gardens.
In this document I came across an unusual triangle diagram drawn by Jane Lead
which blew me away especially after my recent finding that Dalamatia City was a
triangle City with a circular temple in the middle. I found this triangle
diagram contains Jane Leads interpretation that mirrors this office by myself
and the very aspect of this journey. I find overall instructions relayed to this
office of the Messiah in this word search of this document of Jane Lead.
Sevens
For the Sensitive Life cannot consent that ye
should be married away out of their known Linage and Country; Therefore they
will lie in wait to entercept all Messages, and Love-Tokens from your
Immanuel, to prevent the success of so great a Wedlock change. Therefore I
the Spirit of your Lord, do warn you, that you turn away from all self, and
creaturely Parly. The Serpent also will subtlely back with Arguments in forms of
Flesh, that so ye might grow cold in your Love, and slack in your Faith: but
spur forward, and faint not, for the everlasting Gate is set open by Soveraign
Command. The Trumpet doth daily sound to enter into Love’s Holy Ground, where
only the Friends of the Bridegroom shall attend you, at the Banqueting Feast of
Bread and Wine. Now away, and draw from all the cursed things of Jericho,
and you shall meet assuredly your Melchizedeck King, with a full Cup of
Blessing. This receive as a faithful and true saying from the Yea and
Amen.
Sharp drop seen in US deaths in Iraq Tue Oct 23, 2007
9:29 pm
Hi
I thought this was a good step forward, I feel out of this could the new Iraq
arrive with a people willing to cooperate and work together to find a peaceful
and livable solution.
By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer 9
minutes ago
BAGHDAD - October is on course to record the second consecutive decline in
U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths and Americans commanders say they
know why: the U.S. troop increase and an Iraqi groundswell against al-Qaida
and Shiite militia extremists.
Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch points to what the military calls "Concerned Citizens"
— both Shiites and Sunnis who have joined the American fight. He says he's
signed up 20,000 of them in the past four months.
"I've never been more optimistic than I am right now with the progress we've
made in Iraq. The only people who are going to win this counterinsurgency
project are the people of Iraq. We've said that all along. And now they're
coming forward in masses," Lynch said in a recent interview at a U.S. base
deep in hostile territory south of Baghdad. Outgoing artillery thundered as
he spoke.
Lynch, who commands the 3rd Infantry Division and once served as the
military spokesman in Baghdad, is a tireless cheerleader of the American
effort in Iraq. But the death toll over the past two months appears to
reinforce his optimism. The question, of course: Will it last?
As of Tuesday, the Pentagon reported 28 U.S. military deaths in October.
That's an average of about 1.2 deaths a day. The toll on U.S troops hasn't
been this low since March 2006, when 31 soldiers died — an average of one
death a day.
In September, 65 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq.
Part of the trend can be seen in a volatile and violent band of lush
agricultural land on Baghdad's southern border.
The commander of the battle zone — Lt. Col. Val Keaveny, 3rd Battalion,
509th Infantry (Airborne) — said his unit has lost only one soldier in the
past four months despite intensified operations against both Shiite and
Sunni extremists, including powerful al-Qaida in Iraq cells.
Keaveny attributes the startling decline to a decrease in attacks by
militants who are being rounded up in big numbers on information provided by
the citizen force — which has literally doubled the number of eyes and ears
available to the military.
The efforts to recruit local partners began taking shape earlier this year
in the western province of Anbar, which had become the virtual heartland for
Sunni insurgents and al-Qaida bands. The early successes in Anbar — coming
alongside a boost of 30,000 U.S. forces into the Baghdad area — led to
similar alliances in other parts of Iraq.
"People are fed up with fear, intimidation and being brutalized. Once they
hit that tipping point, they're fed up, they come to realized we truly do
provide them better hope for the future. What we're seeing now is the
beginning of a snowball," said Keaveny, whose forces operate out of Forward
Operating Base Kalsu, about 35 miles south of Baghdad.
While U.S. death figures appear to be in sharp decline, the number of Iraqi
civilians and security forces show a less dramatic drop. And any significant
attack — by insurgents or civilians caught in the crossfire — could quickly
wipe out the downward trend.
The current pace of civilian deaths would put October at less than 900. The
figure last month was 1,023 and for August, 1,956, according to figures
compiled by The Associated Press.
The AP tally is compiled from hospital, police and military officials, as
well as accounts from reporters and photographers. Insurgent deaths are not
included. Other counts differ and some have given higher civilian death
tolls.
While the decline in deaths is notable, it is only one of many measures of
potential progress in Iraq, said Anthony Cordesman, a former Pentagon
analyst now with the private Center for Strategic and International Studies
in Washington.
Cordesman said a more balanced picture needs to include factors such as
wounded civilians and soldiers and the number of people fleeing their homes.
The U.N. refugee agency said Tuesday that between 1,000 and 2,000 Iraqis
still leave their homes each day for safer havens in the country or in
neighboring nations. "It's just been going up slowly," said U.N. High
Commissioner for Refugees spokeswoman Astrid van Genderen Stort in Geneva.
"The numbers we're dealing with here are only major acts of violence, the
number of times people are killed," said Cordesman. "This is certainly
progress ... but it has to be put in perspective."
Lynch's mission also shows the slow pace of reclaiming areas from militants.
His troops and their new local allies must work town by town, village by
village.
Sunni Sheik Emad Ghurtani is among those helping.
"Honestly, I'm not going to hide this from you," Ghurtani told Lynch as the
two stood talking at a newly established tribal check point near Haswa, a
village just north of the Kalsu base.
"There is some al-Qaida here in this area. But, God willing, we will get rid
of them. ... The citizens are coming out. They're not afraid any more," the
tall and handsome tribal leader said. Three scruffy young men watched,
AK-47s slung over their shoulders, in the sandbag bunker at the check point.
Lynch, hatless on the balmy autumn day, answered in staccato sentences.
"What we really need is information. You know where al-Qaida is. You know
who they are. You have to tell us. We can use all our capabilities to take
out the enemy. But you have to tell us where they are, because you know.
You've got our total support."
The sheik, who made Lynch promise to return for lunch one day, responded
with striking eloquence.
"Because of what the American forces have accomplished, instead of us moving
step by step we're going to start running toward the enemy ... Instead of
walking, we're going to start running now. We just need the weapons and
ammunition," Ghurtani said.
The guard force at the checkpoint changed during the conversation. Three
young men barely out of their teens, ancient Kalashnikovs in hand, strolled
town the dirt road that led back into Ghurtani territory. Their
U.S.-provided uniforms are a vest with a reflective orange band akin to what
road crews wear in the United States.
Ghurtani complained they hadn't been paid the $100 a month the Americans had
promised.
"If I get some of the money they need I can get them shoes, some vests and
some ammunition. If they can find me cheap weapons, we can start getting
these men ready. God willing in the next few days," the sheik said.
Most heartening, Lynch said, was the checkpoint just across the road and
over an irrigation canal. It was run by Shiites.
Lynch said the checkpoints on opposite sides of the road highlighted a kind
of reconciliation by necessity: not fighting each other but protecting
themselves from a common enemy.
"They have to be convinced that we're not leaving. That's the issue. If they
were to think we're leaving we'd have also sorts of trouble," Lynch said,
clambering over a makeshift earthen bridge across the canal.
The local Shiite sheik wasn't at the checkpoint.
He was in a hospital recovering from injuries in a car crash. Two ragtag
fellows in their 20s stood up from their sandbag bunker and told Lynch they
needed money to buy weapons. "Al-Qaida has all kinds of weapons. We just
have these old rifles," one of them said pointing to his dilapidated
Kalashnikov.
"OK. We just continue to work together to get you the money so you can buy
better weapons, better ammunition, uniforms. Improve your check point. We
just have to work together," Lynch said, spinning on his heel and marching
back to his nine-Humvee convoy.
On to Haswa, down a road known for Iranian-made roadside bombs, a Kiowa
gunship clattered above as protection. Back at division headquarters, public
affairs officers were hammering out more press statements about how
Concerned Citizens were leading soldiers to militant weapons caches and
turning in extremists fighters.
Perhaps in this new spirit a solution may arrive. Personally, I think this a
far better alternative than religious armies. I think they are a failure to
peace and a far to aggressive and intolerant of others because of wrong
interpretation and a lack of willingness to look wider and deeper. Religion
should be only concerned in things of the spiritual nature of the individual
in obtaining the highest estates of truth, beauty and goodness.
I'm so glad that the concerned citizens are beginning to form unity and sue
for peace. This is the real Iraq of cooperation and working together to build
a civilization. I see hope in this development this maybe a little beacon, an
array of light of good willer and doers. That's the only army Paradise is
interested in, The army of good willers and doers to all mankind, thats all.
There is where the real spiritual heroes will come from, that's the only thing
that's going to work in Iraq. The brotherhood of Good willer's and doers.
Sevens
Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:43 pm Steve Fossett
To me I find it rather interesting considering
a Cessna 175 would have a certain range and surely would be spotted from the
air. Also there full radar coverage which would be recorded. I'm sure if he was
over 500agl he would be spotted with the area control. If area control have
coverage of the area in the general time period he disappeared a signature of
direction could be found.
It could very well be that someone will be hiking in the mountains at some
future time and find the the aircraft. Other than that Rapture would seem like a
another likely option....taking the conspiracy line. Total conjecture! but one
thing though when I saw the news come out I remember one of thoughts going
through mind was some rapture. Totally out there thought.
I hope one day they find the answer to this mystery and in the most optimistic
sense I hope he is ok.
The Ternary of
Witnesses upon the Earth, answering to the Impression, from the three
Branches of the True Olive-Tree, were now heard to give in severally their
Testimony, agreeably with that which is given in the Heavenly Places, in
order to the bringing about the greatest and highest of all Ministrations,
which is that of the Holy Ghost; and to the compleating, and defending of
the Kingly Birth, from the Virgin Woman, which the Dragon ever watcheth
against, to destroy it. And hence was it given me to understand
the several Offices and Business, belonging to
each one of these, to make ready for the Birth-Day and to protect this
High-born One from the raging Floods & the tempestuous Winds of the
Adversary. The Spirit’s Work is to reprove,
convince, exhort, counsel, caution and comfort, in order to the carrying on
this great Affair.The work of
the Water is another witness,as you find it in you, as a
bubbling Pool cleansing every part within,
that so not the least defect may be found
in the Matrix, whereout the Birth must open. Then the Blood is
a great Testimonial Witness and Evidence,
as in a mystical manner conveyed, tasted, and drunk down by them, that do
carry the matter of this Birth, for it doth produce a vigorous Life, that
will be known and felt, to refresh both Mother and Babe. So keeping all
these in their several acting Properties; they
will be the clear evidence unto thee, that the Ghostly Birth is working out
it self. Therefore with these three, let thy Will-Spirit agree
hereunto, to throw out every mis-conceived thought. For now all things must
be new again, by the Father, Word, and Spirit, through this new Birth
wrought. That ye may come to a mighty Record
among the New Jerusalem Stones, where
all are waiting this rising day to see,
because it will fix in thee,
an unknown Liberty both in Spirit and Body.
In wrestling with the commerce aspect in raising funds for the expedition and
production i was really concerned about how to do it and about the whole idea
of creating a business in order to do this and devote all my time to he
physical aspects of the office of the Messiah that I recently opened. Believe
me no one is going to help me on this except the Father. Like invest dollars,
unless I come up with the initial evidence no will do anything. Everyone is a
wuss to what I propose. The only way is through commerce and traffic
unfortunately this involves dollars and cents on the back of the faith journey
on the run.
With wrestling with these things as I working the word search on the keyword
"office" I was completely inspired by the dividing the functions of the
office. Firstly there is the spiritual function of the Office which is headed
by the function of the Holy Spirit whose job it is to "The
Spirit’s Work is to reprove, convince, exhort,
counsel, caution and comfort, in order to the carrying on this great Affair."
and then have you another business which is solely concerned with the work of
the water which to me is all to do with the lost city "The
work of the Water is another witness, " This
whole journey is the work of the water which involves all the cities. 1stEden
the first and Dalamatia City the Second and who knows the 2 Dilmuns in North
Eastern Persian Gulf could be third and fourth discovery! And the Adamson/Van
civilization roots in North Eastern Iran in that Valley could be the 5th
discovery and many more that completes the picture in final.
And note the work of the water is "another witness" a witness
to the testament which includes precisely the journey to the ancient lost
cites. There seems to be reassurance that the truth emanating out of this is
truth "bubbling Pool cleansing every part
within"
And this excerpt really made an impression on me.
Its seems obvious that this is a 3 prong level approach by the Father, in
harmony and in unification. By the Father who is directing all events through
all, the word as in the manifestation of the word as we discover these things
in the books and in reality, like the cities and the Seven commands. And the
Spirit, the experience of wonder and inner direction, the experiential
experience of discovery and being led in faith and all the angels working in
unison together with the Father fragment within, the feeling of love that you
feel and friendship.
Quote:
by the Father, Word,
and Spirit, through this new Birth wrought. That ye may come to
a mighty Record among the
New Jerusalem Stones, where
all are waiting this rising day to see,
because it will fix in thee, an unknown Liberty
both in Spirit and Body."
And the New Jerusalem stones which I feel encompasses the cities and the Seven
commands and its all to do with the water. note that "all
are waiting this rising day to see" Its like as we journey on
the pieces in details fall in place and the ark begins to swell with people
jumping on. It could be the scenario we see before us.
Quote:
The Light that
now is breaking open upon you, is to give a sight
into that City and new Creation, to which ye do belong.
For ye are under quite another kind of
Government, having taken upon you that high Apostolical Profession,
which enters you into and makes you partakers of that high calling. For here
is a Spiritual Service and Employ allotted, for
every Sion born Spirit, so soon as they are grown up to the understanding
part. As the outward rational Spirit and Body, as soon
as grown up and capable of Traffick and Commerce,
are their own Crafts-Masters in, and over things Temporal; by which
Corporalities do subsist:
Even so likewise see what Calling the great
High-Priest and Apostle took upon him,as
our Pattern, so soon as he was grown up in
Wisdom and Ability, so as to take upon him
the Office and Function, whereby he might
set upon the Work and Business, for which he was sent into the World
by God the Father. Who never was found sloathful or negligent in Spiritual
Business; for he was always found in spiritual Action, working the Works of
his God and Father in his Day.
So function of the office of the Messiah is based on these following
fundamentals
Wisdom and Ability
the Office and Function
the Work and Business
Spiritual Business
spiritual Action
The office of the messiah is the highest office in the land.
This would also be responsible for "Traffick and Commerce,"
as business people are greatly concerned with temporal things of today. Which
is ok and has all to do with civilization but if the business man was more
connected to the eternal aspects of truth, beauty and goodness he would have
better results and be a better person for it.
So in relation to traffic and commerce that would seem to be a function of the
Office of the Messiah in relation to the ancient places. Because it takes on
the pattern of the Father, The Word and the Spirit and it has a Sevens pattern
and link.
And here is the confirmation of my job offer as a personal assistant to the
Messiah to anyone, found in this Jane Lead extract
"For here is
a Spiritual
Service and Employ allotted,
for every Sion born Spirit, so soon as they are
grown up to the understanding part."
To me this study of these office fragments confirms everything that I have
proclaimed and declared regrading this journey and also the recently opened
office of the Messiah on my website inspired by the Zadokite document and
found in detail in Jane Lead, to a tee! in every way with good advise. Not
only that, she confirms this will be a good record and living testamony. I
opened the office because I wanted to that and in commemoration to the last
teacher of righteousness who had to close the office down but who foresaw the
office reopening as the office of the Messiah. I thought this time would be
time in doing that and whilst inside the journey to the ancient places and its
part of the Sevenfold journey.
Anyway seems to confirm the track that I'm on as I can read about it after I
did it. Another demonstration to me, at least in the beforehand seen in the
afterwards as read going back in the timelines of the posts. One thing is for
certain is the functionality of the office. Now I have good direction in the
office specifically.
There is so much more to wade through in this study of Jane Lead. There is no
ending to here many parallels to this journey and testamony.
sevens
Tony Blair for the EU presidency! Wed Oct 24, 2007
6:34 am
First names floated for top new EU jobs
Quote:
22.10.2007 - 08:02 CET | By Renata Goldirova
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS – Although the ink on the new EU treaty deal is barely
dry, several names are already being floated as possible candidates for
the European Union's first-ever president – among them Tony Blair,
former UK prime minister.
"He [Tony Blair] is a very remarkable man, the most pro-European of all
Britons. It would be quite a smart move to consider him", French president
Nicolas Sarkozy said on Friday (19 October), triggering speculations about
who could be given a high-profile job after the new Lisbon Treaty enters
into force, set for mid-2009.
A similar message came from UK prime minister Gordon Brown, who said Mr
Blair would be "a great candidate for any significant international job".
However, he added it was "premature" to debate the list of possible
candidates before the treaty is ratified.
Although the job comes with no executive powers, the new president of the
European Council - a body representing EU governments - is expected to be a
top politician. The first president is also expected to set the job
description for future presidents.
The post is a two and a half year term, but it can be held twice. The system
replaces the current situation where the post rotates among member states
every six months.
But despite his high-profile career, giving an EU post to Mr Blair would
probably cause some strong controversy.
Critics continue to point to his support of the US-led invasion of Iraq in
2003 - something that caused a deep rift in the EU. Others question his
commitment to the European project, given the fact that London does not
participate in some key common policies.
A spokesperson for former UK leader told British media that Mr Blair - who
is now the quartet's envoy to the Middle East - was "focusing on his current
role".
Luxembourg's prime minister Jean-Claude Juncker, Danish prime minister
Anders Fogh Rasmussen and Poland's former president Aleksander Kwasniewski
have also been tipped for the top job.
Foreign affairs representative
Meanwhile, European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso - reportedly
eyeing a second term from 2009 - has welcomed prospects of a permanent EU
president, saying it will bring "more stability and continuity".
"It is better for the commission president to have relation with the
president on permanent, well-known basis than to establish relations every
six month", Mr Barroso said despite his recently expressed concern that the
EU president post will shift power away from EU institutions towards member
states.
Similarly, Mr Barroso praised the newly created post of EU foreign affairs
representative, combining the two current jobs of EU foreign policy chief
Javier Solana and EU external affairs commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner.
"A great part of our work in the commission is spent on articulation [...]
to the council", Mr Barroso said on the position, which is expected to
improve the European Union's profile on international scene and - perhaps -
finally give the world a single phone number to call in Europe.
Unlike the EU president, the appointment of the foreign affairs chief to set
to be controlled by the European Parliament as the politician in question
will also be a vice-president of the European Commission.
Sweden's foreign minister Carl Bildt has been cited as a possible candidate
for the post.
I fond this a very interesting development in the life of Tony Blair and I
personally find it experience from the way I see things in the journey.
I wonder what is driving him in this pathway, what is influencing him? The
real truth not conspiracy.
Sevens
Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:07 am
Its real bloody joke, the whole scenario
is all upside down and all confused and in contradiction. What a mess the
middle east is especially when certain countries are exporting terrorist
activities. They just wont last at the end of the day, if its not for the
benefit of civilization and the family in light of truth it wont last. All
those characters who perpetuate death and destruction upon the families of
mankind will just go. Especially for political purpose.
yet it is the true Day-star that will give
its own light and witness: Therefore let the Wonderers, Despisers and
Contemners take heed of making a Mock of that which
the Alpha and Omega will own and stand by, as
his express Mind, who prohibited the
publisher hereof from altering the way and manner of the revealing of these
great and deep things. Therefore
you have them unpolished, in their own
naked Simplicityas they were every day
revealed & given forth, not in the dress of human Wisdom; no, they
are of another descent, and the spiritual Ones in
God will feel, know and taste from what
Treasure-House they proceed:
The above from Jane Lead is the exact description of this journey and nature
at which its revealed, everyday in a simple, unpolished on the run way.
It seems that the Alpha and Omega (Jesus) stands by it to and is involved why
not! Fantastic!! Apparently it leads to the treasure house of the planet and
the wisdom is of a very old origin and we are all headed for it.
Full steam ahead...dont now how... but full steam ahead, to the sea of peace!
Sevens
yeah..
that link sounds like garbage.
Big deal whats that waffle suppose to mean to my personal experience with the
UB.
More conspiratorial blah blah blah!
Regarding course of Miracles and all that, I reckon this guy is pretty close to
the truth.
Riven where is the submerged 5 hills
of Africa. Have to got an image. A straight image
With the Urantia Book one only has to read and look at the anomalies that all
link 4 other sites together in symbolism of the design, 4 other cities and I can
show the images.
The only action going on the planet is in the Persian Gulf that is only place
that Paradise and the Kingdom of Heaven is focused on. All other thought are
superfluous, these places are the treasure houses, heritages and the crowns of
the planet.
The triangle city, Dalamatia in design even has links to the triangular chevron
seen near the face on Mars. Plato and Solon records are only a distant
reflection of these places and personally I feel The Plato story is only part
and a distant reflection of all the known places as reflected in the Urantia
Book. In design I think its reflects the anomalies of Babel in Dilmun. It
appears Babel or Dilmun was built on a isthmus running North to South. The
circular foundations of Babel are a distance from the sea wall where the canals
of the feed the city with commerce from the sea.
Obviously the city built up and protected over time from the sea through a Dyke
and canal system like in the Netherlands. As the sea levels rose so did the
walls until they breached which destroyed the city in one night.
The anomalies of Babel/Dilmun appear to match the Plato description.
The circular city was a distance from the sea fed by canals, it was a city of
commerce and had a big reputation as known as the city of the immortals adopted
from Dalamatia after its destruction. The city was built by the fallen Sons of
the Gods adopting the Dalamatia legends while Van, the builder of 1stEden and
the loyal sons evacuated to the lands of North Western India near Srinagar near
Lake Dal. In that valley is where earlier man evolved from.
I feel the Atlantis Story is a mixture of Dalamatia and Dilmun/Babel myths and
is a distant reflection of the Andites in Egypt. The great Pyramid entails the
whole story of the long ago race and we are all related to them.
Hey Riven, Urantia people are just normal people of the planet who are truth
seekers mainly. I here more good reports from people about the UB than bad
reports. To me the UB stands because it has led me to some fantastic discoveries
that covers the whole timespan.
Particularly finding the triangle city of our origins and seeing it reflected
throughout all the other places is just a phenomena!
Sevens
posted
10-27-2007 02:34 PM
Riven the first link is an old frying
pan and the lines are mean for fat run off, its an old George Foreman frying pan
the first model.
Hey its an holy because it has 7 rings ahahahahah.
With the other links all I can say is that the planet had a lower sea level as
we go further back and your images with induced flooding doesn't fit the reality
as science understand.
Plus is there any reference in any book or artifacts that back your theory
coming from Tanzania?
I was thinking with the frying pan, it came from the Greek isle so it must be a
relic of the Ionian's, who where the previously Javan who came from the Adamson
civilization who came from the Van capital in North Eastern Iran.
Sorry Riven I dont buy your out of Africa .... Adam and Eve and Avila which
appears to be just another mountain range.
Actually, I think all Atlantis theories are up the put and there is only one
action going on and that is the Persian Gulf! Stemming from the Triangle City.
Dalamatia City.
I don't know why Atlantis Rising placed the triangle and circle in Bimini
because there is nothing there just anchor rocks of the Indians. That's all they
will find there just Rocks. Also I'm doubting the source information that led
Cayce regarding Atlantis.
I'm wondering whether Edgar was infiltrated by Caligastia because his Atlantis
information has NOT worked out and has not come to pass! and has led to
disappointment and confusion.
Whilst on the other hand the books
of religion pertaining to Jesus Christ including the Urantia Book, the
new book just keep on getting results even in the time I have been here. This
only demonstrates the power of Paradise or "The Kingdom of Heaven" where its
words STAND where you can read and see. All the prophets spoke of the cities as
the treasure houses and we are the door of there treasure houses currently.
Particularly the great Triangle City Dalamatia City!
There is one truth regarding our history anything else is error! and
imagination. All those people channeling are all way off the mark and are not
close to truth. All of them don't represent these places and never have I reckon
they are all deluded by Caligastia every single one of them and even people who
today use cards and fortune tellers they are all wrong! No one except the
prophets of religion foresaw the discovery of these places but no one else,
utterly. Not even today's so called super connected chanellers who go in stupid
trances and speak rubbish to unsuspecting people are connected to the right
source. They have all been misled!
Anyway these places submerged in the Persian Gulf in my mind have proven the
case and will prove and demonstrate this further.
According to my calculation Senusret
III was a distant relative of Abraham on the throne of Egypt at that time.
Abraham and Sensurat 111 where involved in some military campaigns.
But Abraham thought he would follow the greater path and decided to go back home
in better times.
Also you made mention, to make known, declare and some mention about the stone
slab. Is the stone slab in reference to the pillars, is that the thought or
could it mean something else?
Actually what's the source that your drawing from? Have you got a link. I might
have look and see if I can find some clues there...maybe!
sevens
posted
10-27-2007 09:53 PM
The Kolbrin Bible rendition of the
Exodus of Moses is more aligned with the Urantia version than the bible. There
quite a few things that the UB and the Kolbrin Bible have in common regarding
the Moses exodus. I would tend to believe in many parts the Kolbrin thoughts as
that rendition came from the Egyptians themselves and wasn't so religiously
expanded as in the Bible.
Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:55 am Working out the layout of
the City and the clues
Here is another clue I just found in the Urantia
Book whilst debating why I think Dalamatia is the Triangle City in the
Southern Persian Gulf, seen in the images.
Here is another clue to the design of the places in bold.
Quote:
line 166:
The Prince's staff lived together as fathers and mothers.
True, they had no children of their own,
but the fifty
pattern homes of Dalamatianever sheltered less than five hundred
adopted little ones assembled from the superior families of the Andonic and
Sangik races; many of these children were orphans. They were favored with
the discipline and training of these superparents; and then, after three
years in the schools of the Prince (they entered from thirteen to fifteen),
they were eligible for marriage and ready to receive their commissions as
emissaries of the Prince to the needy tribes of their respective races.
In my mind these fifty pattern homes are large enough to house and accommodate
500 individuals at one time.
As I look at the image above I can clearly see the patterned shapes that would
accommodate no less than five hundred individuals. I can certainly see the
pattern homes within the subdivision. There seems to be smaller patterns in
larger grid and dominated by the Vees(subdivision walls).
As you can see the pattern homes from this angle, its a triangular grid
pattern of the abodes.
I believe there where 10 diamond shaped subdivisions that was divided into 5
pattern homes.
I can break down this equation which fits the triangle pattern as we can see.
for example
each number equals 5 pattern homes
....1
...8 9
..5 6 7
.1 2 3 4
There in lays an equal arrangement that I feel equates to the pattern homes of
the triangle City. Superimpose over the area and you have the original design.
Also note no more than 500 individuals in each division which would provide
ample room to explore.
The city layout from what I see in the image is approximately 19km x 18km x
21km at the base, there is more than enough room in each subdivision for
individuals housed within the pattern homes.
I think these clues are quite substantial and can be seen in the images and
that also makes up a perfection triangle a perfect fit.
I wouldn't be surprised if the divisions were diamonds and triangles within as
the pattern homes, the triangle homes within the diamond subdivisions.
In the following image is an example of the pattern homes within a major
subdivision.
The land provision within
the city walls was sufficient to provide for pasturage and gardening for
the support of a population of about twenty thousand.
The interiors of the
central temple of worship and the
ten council mansions of the supervising groups of
supermen were indeed beautiful works of art. And while the residential
buildings were models of neatness and cleanliness, everything was very simple
and altogether primitive in comparison with later-day developments. At this
headquarters of culture no methods were employed which did not naturally
belong on Urantia.
The Prince's corporeal staff
presided over simple and exemplary abodes which they maintained as homes
designed to inspire and favorably impress the student observers sojourning at
the world's social center and educational headquarters.
and
The Prince's staff lived together
as fathers and mothers. True, they had no children of their own, but the
fifty pattern homes of Dalamatia never sheltered less than five hundred adopted
little ones assembled from the superior families of the Andonic and Sangik races;
many of these children were orphans. They were favored with the discipline and
training of these superparents; and then, after three years in the schools of
the Prince (they entered from thirteen to fifteen), they were eligible for
marriage and ready to receive their commissions as emissaries of the Prince to
the needy tribes of their respective races.
and
This was the law of Dalamatia
for almost three hundred thousand years.And many of the
stones on which this law was inscribed now lie
beneath the waters off the shores of Mesopotamia and Persia. It became the
custom to hold one of these commands in mind for each day of the week, using it
for salutations and mealtime thanksgiving.
and
The country around the city
was quite well settled within a radius of one hundred
miles. Immediately surrounding the
city, hundreds of graduates of the Prince's schools engaged in animal
husbandry and otherwise carried out the instruction they had received from his
staff and their numerous human helpers. A few engaged in agriculture and
horticulture
and
At the outbreak of the rebellion,
Dalamatia had a resident population of almost six thousand. This number
includes the regular students but does not embrace the visitors and observers,
who always numbered more than one thousand. But you can have little or no
concept of the marvelous progress of those faraway times; practically all of the
wonderful human gains of those days were wiped out by the horrible confusion and
abject spiritual darkness which followed the Caligastia catastrophe of deception
and sedition.
and
All subsequent history has been
definitely modified by this catastrophic blunder as well as by the later failure
of Adam and Eve to fulfill their planetary mission.
and
3. The Caligastia one hundred were personally
immortal, or undying. There circulated through their material forms the
antidotal complements of the life currents of the system; and had they not
lost contact with the life circuits through rebellion, they would have lived
on indefinitely until the arrival of a subsequent Son of God, or until their
sometime later release to resume the interrupted journey to Havona and
Paradise.
These antidotal complements of the Satania life
currents were derived from the fruit of the tree of life, a shrub of
Edentia which was sent to Urantia by the Most Highs of Norlatiadek at the time
of Caligastia's arrival. In the days of Dalamatia this tree grew in the
central courtyard of the temple of the
unseen Father, and it was the fruit of the
tree of life that enabled the material and otherwise mortal beings of the
Prince's staff to live on indefinitely as long as they had access to it.
and little about Eden but might reflect the
design of the Fathers Temple in Dalamatia City.
line 104: When Van and
his associates made ready the Garden for Adam and Eve, they transplanted the
Edentia tree to the Garden of Eden, where, once again, it grew in a
central, circular courtyard of
another temple to the Father. And Adam and
Eve periodically partook of its fruit for the maintenance of their dual form
of physical life.
and
The headquarters of the Planetary
Prince on Urantia was typical of such stations on a young and developing sphere.
The nucleus of the Prince's settlement was a very simple but beautiful city,
enclosed within a wall forty feet high. This world center of culture was named
Dalamatia in honor of Daligastia.
and
The city was laid out in ten
subdivisions with the headquarters mansions of the ten councils of the
corporeal staff situated at the centers of these
subdivisions.
Centermost in the city was the temple of the
unseen Father.
The administrative
headquarters of the Prince and his associates was arranged in
twelve chambers immediately grouped about the temple itself.
The buildings of Dalamatia were all one story
except the council headquarters, which were two stories, and the central
temple of the Father of all, which was small butthree stories in
height.
The city represented the best practices of
those early days in building material--brick. Very little stone or wood
was used. Home building and village architecture among the surrounding peoples
were greatly improved by the Dalamatian example.
Near the Prince's headquarters there dwelt all
colors and strata of human beings. And it was from these near-by tribes that
the first students of the Prince's schools were recruited. Although these
early schools of Dalamatia were crude, they provided all that could be done
for the men and women of that primitive age.
The Prince's corporeal staff continuously
gathered about them the superior individuals of the surrounding tribes and,
after training and inspiring these students, sent them back as teachers and
leaders of their respective people
and
4. The faculty on
dissemination and conservation of knowledge. This group organized and
directed the purely educational endeavors of those early ages. It was presided
over by Fad. The educational methods of Fad consisted in supervision of
employment accompanied by instruction in improved methods of labor. Fad
formulated the first alphabet and introduced a writing system. This alphabet
contained twenty-five characters. For writing material these early peoples
utilized tree barks, clay tablets, stone slabs,
a form of parchment made of hammered hides, and a crude form of paperlike
material made from wasps' nests. The Dalamatia library, destroyed soon after
the Caligastia disaffection, comprised more than two million separate
records and was known as the "house of Fad."
and
2. Pre-Sumerians and other Nodites.
There were also present in Mesopotamia, near the mouth of the rivers,
remnants of the ancient culture of the days of Dalamatia. With the passing
millenniums, this group became thoroughly admixed with the Adamites to the
north, but they never entirely lost their Nodite traditions. Various other
Nodite groups that had settled in the Levant were, in general, absorbed by the
later expanding violet race.
one may think that Dalamatia City lays close
by to the rivers. Not necessarily so. "Theremnants of the
ancient culture of the days of Dalamatia" may very well speak of the last
remnants of Dalamatia culture, the Nodites who built the two Nodite submerged
Cities Babel/Dilmun and 1st Susa where Dalamatia lays further to the
South. These two Nodite cities where submerged due to rising sea levels.
and
Five per cent of the Andites,
the very superior culture of the coastal district about
the mouths of the Tigris and Euphrates who had kept themselves free
from intermarriage with the inferior neighboring tribesmen, refused
to leave their homes. This group represented the
survival of many superior Nodite and Adamite strains.
The Andites had almost entirely
evacuated this regionby 6000 B.C.,
though their descendants, largely mixed with the surrounding Sangik races and
the Andonites of Asia Minor, were there to give battle to the northern and
eastern invaders at a much later date.
Lets look at the Sea Levels since the last ice
age
From my Measurements using NASA worldwind
software bathymetric facility.
Dalamatia is around 70 metres deep,
Babel/Dilmun is
about 67 metres deep and 1st Susa is
around 20 metres.
According to the above graph anytime before
11,000 years ago Dalamatia would of been exposed to the elements. With the
Sea line at its shores and rising.
At around 20,000 years ago the ruins of
Dalamatia City would of been approximately 50 metres above the current sea
level. That's around 150ft above the sea level but rising due to
the ending of the ice age.
Babel/Dilmun was destroyed at around 11,000
years ago and the last Nodite City 1st Susa 6-7000 years ago, the remnant
Nodite/Andite from the days of Dalamatia living between the rivers.
However. It was
during the flood times that Susa so greatly prospered. The first and lower city
was inundated so that the second or higher town succeeded the lower as the
headquarters for the peculiar artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution
of these floods, Ur became the center of the pottery industry. About seven
thousand years ago Ur was on the PersianGulf, the river deposits
having since built up the land to its present limits. These settlements suffered
less from the floods because of better controlling works and the widening mouths
of the rivers..
and that makes sense because at
that specific time the
7. THE FLOODS IN
MESOPOTAMIA
The river dwellers were
accustomed to rivers overflowing their banks at certain seasons; these
periodic floods were annual events in their lives. But new perils
threatened the valley of Mesopotamiaas a result of progressive geologic
changes to the north.
For thousands of years after
the submergence of the first Eden the mountains about the eastern coast of
the Mediterranean and those to the northwest and northeast of Mesopotamia
continued to rise. This elevation of the
highlands was greatly accelerated about 5000 B.C., and this,
together with greatly increased snowfall
on the northern mountains, caused
unprecedented floods each spring throughout the Euphrates valley. These
spring floods grew increasingly worse so that eventually the inhabitants of
the river regions were driven to the eastern highlands. For almost a
thousand years scores of cities were practically deserted because of these
extensive deluges.
So in the case of Ur because of
the rising of the mountains in the North with more floods in the valley means
more sediment over the long term and thus a build up of sediment up to the
current coastline of the Persian Gulf. However in all of this this time
you have the raising of the sea levels. The lost cities of the Persian
Gulf seen in the images where lost long before the flood periods of
Mesopotamia.
Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:24 am
Here is compile of links looking for Dalamatia
trying find descriptions of the place which I believe point to the Location of
Dalamatia City, submerged in the Southern Persian Gulf in a expanded
Mesopotamia 10,000 years ago.
line 70: Although the culture
and religion of Egypt were chiefly derived from Andite Mesopotamia and largely transmitted
to subsequent civilizations through the Hebrews and Greeks, much, very much, of
the social and ethical idealism of the Egyptians arose in the valley of the Nile
as a purely evolutionary development. Notwithstanding the importation of much
truth and culture of Andite origin, there evolved in Egypt more of moral culture
as a purely human development than appeared by similar natural techniques in any
other circumscribed area prior to the bestowal of Michael.
posted
10-31-2007 02:21 AM
quote:
line 70: Although the culture and
religion of Egypt were chiefly derived from Andite Mesopotamia and
largely transmitted to subsequent civilizations through the Hebrews and
Greeks, much, very much, of the social and ethical idealism of the
Egyptians arose in the valley of the Nile as a purely evolutionary
development. Notwithstanding the importation of much truth and culture of
Andite origin, there evolved in Egypt more of moral culture as a purely human
development than appeared by similar natural techniques in any other
circumscribed area prior to the bestowal of Michael.
I figure since Solon was told about
Atlantis from the Egyptians it therefore stands to reason that the real Atlantis
is in the Persian Gulf. Since the Egyptians came from there, they where the
Andites.
Atlantis is all about the lost submerged cities in the Persian Gulf.
and here is more about the Andites and the area they come from which points
directly to the Dilmuns submerged in the North Eastern Persian Gulf.
quote:
Five per cent of the Andites, the
very superior culture of the coastal district about the mouths of the
Tigris and Euphrates who had kept themselves free from intermarriage with the
inferior neighboring tribesmen , refused to leave their homes. This group
represented the survival of many superior Nodite and Adamite strains.
The Andites had almost entirely evacuated this region by 6000 B.C. ,
though their descendants, largely mixed with the surrounding Sangik races and
the Andonites of Asia Minor, were there to give battle to the northern and
eastern invaders at a much later date.
Many of the migrating Andites moved to
Egypt and carried there legends with them including Atlantis which in truth is
about the demise of Dalamatia in many ways with the physical descriptions of the
city of Dilmun/Babel.
Which I believe was built on an isthmus.
The builder of the great Pyramid was an Andite
quote:
line 106: The Egyptians very early
assembled their municipal deities into an elaborate national system of gods.
They developed an extensive theology and had an equally extensive but
burdensome priesthood. Several different leaders sought to revive the remnants
of the early religious teachings of the Sethites, but these endeavors were
short-lived. The Andites built the first stone structures in Egypt. The
first and most exquisite of the stone pyramids was erected by Imhotep, an
Andite architectural genius, while serving as prime minister. Previous
buildings had been constructed of brick, and while many stone structures had
been erected in different parts of the world, this was the first in Egypt. But
the art of building steadily declined from the days of this great architect.
It all seems to be pointing the
Persian Gulf to the cities of myth, legend and truth.
From my Measurements using NASA worldwind software bathymetric facility. However
note: these depths could vary in reality which affects the timeline a
destruction.
Dalamatia is around 70 metres deep, Babel/Dilmun is about 67 metres deep and
1st Susa is around 20 metres.
According to the above graph anytime before 11,000 years ago Dalamatia would of
been exposed to the elements. With the Sea line at its shores and rising.
At around 20,000 years ago the ruins of Dalamatia City would of been
approximately 50 metres above the current sea level. That's around 150ft above
the sea level but rising due to the ending of the ice age.
Babel/Dilmun was destroyed at around 11,000 years ago and the last Nodite City
to be destroyed,
1st Susa
8000 years ago, the remnant Nodite/Andite from the days of Dalamatia living
between the rivers. At around 5000BC Ur was on the Persian Gulf, the Persian
Gulf was further to the North near the river mouths. However the sea level rise
seems from those days seems to be negligent to the present day.
quote:
However. It was during the flood
times that Susa so greatly prospered. The first and lower city was inundated
so that the second or higher town succeeded the lower as the headquarters for
the peculiar artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution of these floods,
Ur became the center of the pottery industry. About seven thousand years
ago Ur was on the Persian Gulf , the river deposits having since built up
the land to its present limits. These settlements suffered less from the
floods because of better controlling works and the widening mouths of the
rivers..
