On Demand HUGE Hydrogen Production

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TinQ3iV403s

and

Hydrogen Booster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLD67zvtb9g

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Motorcycle that run on water!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt3tXFSO4A0

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Obama has never publicly said that Jesus Christ is his Savior. I want to see that historically verified. His wife said her husband answers to no higher authority....meaning he is an athiest.But I see him as an athiest with a very strong muslim background.Time will tell and before this term is up.

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He is not even Muslim, he went to a Christian church for many years and Im sure he would of made a spiritual stand at that time. Why would anyone go to church if he had no feeling to go!

Apparently he was involved in the community in services, do you do that! How can you just assume he is Atheist.

Your just half cocked in your views and not even informed and what you say is purely a reflection of your political Bias which means nothing to no one, simple as that.

You presume and you judge and who are you??? to judge ones spirituality on a personal basis when you have never ever spoken to the man nor seen his race.

You have already judged before the guy begins his race. Come on man correct yourself!

By the way who contributed largely to the mess we have today, your mates in the last administration yeah right that dumb guy! Ive seen his race and now we all have to pick up the pieces from a disaster of a cowboy who never knew much in the first place. Just a dumb guy! voted in by much ignorance and stupid bias!

What about that Wolfowiltz and Rumsfeld? What a pack of assuming, arrogant *******s those guys were after seeing there race of power and crap.

There crappy ideology started this terrible mess with there stupid thoughts of crap! Not to mention the display of arrogance on TV that brought man to war which cost the tax payer Trillions in the final analysis and actually brought the USA to very low gutter level even to the level of bankruptcy and economic turmoil.

Bloody hell, you talk about God and Obama and yet you supported one of the most Godless regimes around who purpose went against the truth of the Father in Heaven!

Then you speak the words of his wife and yet not from the man himself! Where are you at in your mind! Just all Bullshite

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Posted: Today at 21:32

Cyrus

Im going through the links in your last post.

After an opening in praise of God and Wisdom, the Shâhnameh gives an account of the creation of the world and of man as believed by the Sasanians. This introduction is followed by the story of the first man, Keyumars, who also became the first king after a period of mountain dwelling.

 

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Today at 21:32 http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=26198&PN=5

Cyrus

Im going through the links in your last post.

After an opening in praise of God and Wisdom, the Shâhnameh gives an account of the creation of the world and of man as believed by the Sasanians. This introduction is followed by the story of the first man, Keyumars, who also became the first king after a period of mountain dwelling.

 

On several occasions Jesus participated in these discussions, and before he left Urmia, Cymboyton arranged with Jesus to sojourn with them for two weeks on his return trip and give twenty-four lectures on "The Brotherhood of Men," and to conduct twelve evening sessions of questions, discussions, and debates on his lectures in particular and on the brotherhood of men in general.

In accordance with this arrangement, Jesus stopped off on the return trip and delivered these lectures. This was the most systematic and formal of all the Master's teaching on Urantia. Never before or after did he say so much on one subject as was contained in these lectures and discussions on the brotherhood of men. In reality these lectures were on the "Kingdom of God" and the "Kingdoms of Men."

6. LAW, LIBERTY, AND SOVEREIGNTY

If one man craves freedom--liberty--he must remember that all other men long for the same freedom. Groups of such liberty-loving mortals cannot live together in peace without becoming subservient to such laws, rules, and regulations as will grant each person the same degree of freedom while at the same time safeguarding an equal degree of freedom for all of his fellow mortals. If one man is to be absolutely free, then another must become an absolute slave. And the relative nature of freedom is true socially, economically, and politically. Freedom is the gift of civilization made possible by the enforcement of LAW.

Religion makes it spiritually possible to realize the brotherhood of men, but it will require mankind government to regulate the social, economic, and political problems associated with such a goal of human happiness and efficiency.

There shall be wars and rumors of wars--nation will rise against nation--just as long as the world's political sovereignty is divided up and unjustly held by a group of nation-states. England, Scotland, and Wales were always fighting each other until they gave up their respective sovereignties, reposing them in the United Kingdom.

Another world war will teach the so-called sovereign nations to form some sort of federation, thus creating the machinery for preventing small wars, wars between the lesser nations. But global wars will go on until the government of mankind is created. Global sovereignty will prevent global wars--nothing else can.

The forty-eight American free states live together in peace. There are among the citizens of these forty-eight states all of the various nationalities and races that live in the ever-warring nations of Europe. These Americans represent almost all the religions and religious sects and cults of the whole wide world, and yet here in North America they live together in peace. And all this is made possible because these forty-eight states have surrendered their sovereignty and have abandoned all notions of the supposed rights of self-determination.

It is not a question of armaments or disarmament. Neither does the question of conscription or voluntary military service enter into these problems of maintaining

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world-wide peace. If you take every form of modern mechanical armaments and all types of explosives away from strong nations, they will fight with fists, stones, and clubs as long as they cling to their delusions of the divine right of national sovereignty.

 

War is not man's great and terrible disease; war is a symptom, a result. The real disease is the virus of national sovereignty.  (wow!)

Urantia nations have not possessed real sovereignty; they never have had a sovereignty which could protect them from the ravages and devastations of world wars. In the creation of the global government of mankind, the nations are not giving up sovereignty so much as they are actually creating a real, bona fide, and lasting world sovereignty which will henceforth be fully able to protect them from all war. Local affairs will be handled by local governments; national affairs, by national governments; international affairs will be administered by global government.

World peace cannot be maintained by treaties, diplomacy, foreign policies, alliances, balances of power, or any other type of makeshift juggling with the sovereignties of nationalism. World law must come into being and must be enforced by world government--the sovereignty of all mankind.

The individual will enjoy far more liberty under world government. Today, the citizens of the great powers are taxed, regulated, and controlled almost oppressively, and much of this present interference with individual liberties will vanish when the national governments are willing to trustee their sovereignty as regards international affairs into the hands of global government.

Under global government the national groups will be afforded a real opportunity to realize and enjoy the personal liberties of genuine democracy. The fallacy of self-determination will be ended. With global regulation of money and trade will come the new era of world-wide peace. Soon may a global language evolve, and there will be at least some hope of sometime having a global religion--or religions with a global viewpoint.

Collective security will never afford peace until the collectivity includes all mankind.

The political sovereignty of representative mankind government will bring lasting peace on earth, and the spiritual brotherhood of man will forever insure good will among all men. And there is no other way whereby peace on earth and good will among men can be realized.

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After the death of Cymboyton, his sons encountered great difficulties in maintaining a peaceful faculty. The repercussions of Jesus' teachings would have been much greater if the later Christian teachers who joined the Urmia faculty had exhibited more wisdom and exercised more tolerance. A lesson to be learnt here!

Cymboyton's eldest son had appealed to Abner at Philadelphia for help, but Abner's choice of teachers was most unfortunate in that they turned out to be unyielding and uncompromising. These teachers sought to make their religion dominant over the other beliefs. They never suspected that the oft-referred-to lectures of the caravan conductor had been delivered by Jesus himself. (Another huge lesson today for religions that opress mankind with their brand of doctrine)

As confusion increased in the faculty, the three brothers withdrew their financial support, and after five years the school closed. Later it was reopened as a Mithraic temple and eventually burned down in connection with one of their orgiastic celebrations.  (Here is another opportunity of a little expedition of locating the school or the old Mitharic Temple.)

 

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Look at this piece which reflects the problems we today in the world because of "the world's political sovereignty is divided up and unjustly held by a group of nation" Jesus is pinpointing the current problem, the powers of the world are held by a few and their motive is one of lust for power motivated by selfishness and Greed...This is the root problem.  Its not for the people, that's the rhetoric, its for themselves.  It's these few that create the world we live in today, its through division and war is where their power comes from, they play both sides, the work of the Last Rebel!  If there is peace they will cause instability through some rhetoric promulgation of some sort.

There shall be wars and rumors of wars--nation will rise against nation--just as long as the world's political sovereignty is divided up and unjustly held by a group of nation

Another world war will teach the so-called sovereign nations to form some sort of federation, thus creating the machinery for preventing small wars, wars between the lesser nations. But global wars will go on until the government of mankind is created. Global sovereignty will prevent global wars--nothing else can.

Another world war will teach the so-called sovereign nations to form some sort of federation,

 

but

 

But global wars will go on until the government of mankind is created.

 

and this why we will have another "Another world war" that will be devastating  so  to  "teach the so-called sovereign nations" that "Global sovereignty will prevent global wars--nothing else can"

 

War will never happen until the " government of mankind is created"

 

Mind you the government of mankind" is not the present people we have in power without God or talk about God and cause war with the other hand.

 

 

World peace cannot be maintained by treaties, diplomacy, foreign policies, alliances, balances of power, or any other type of makeshift juggling with the sovereignties of nationalism. World law must come into being and must be enforced by world government--the sovereignty of all mankind.

Looks like UFO on New Year's Day

Posted: Today at 19:52 http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=26198&PN=5

I am not a good believer!
 

 
Not a problem my friend, you don't have to believe anything I post, no one does.  No one is compelled or imposed upon to believe this at all.  Not a problem!  I'm not here to obtain a following nor start a new religion as we have many religions but I know they can be enhanced.  I just want to research and find the truth but it could be the greatest thing ever found in the history of mankind.  Multiple submerged cities that we already know everything about.  Knowledge given to us by Paradise itself!  Personally!  Good for all of us and a beautiful opportunity to find the truth in harmonization with all science and religion.  A unification that is consistent in discovery and in truth!  This is what Paradise wants to demonstrate and any man can be involved in this no matter who he is.  An open Paradise project for all man.  This goes way beyond doctrine and dogma and rules and planetary Government even though it involves Government and Government of the future. 

This precisely why Muhammad urges the followers of Islam to crawl over ice to help this guy who comes from Khorasan.  Why Muhammad says that because he knows the guy from Khorason will receive no help at all and his message will be rejected even though he brings the standard or symbol of Paradise to the country of Khorason in the discovery of one the places of the Tree of Life connected to a revelation from Paradise itself!.  Muhammad realizes that everyone will reject the message and what it entails because everyone is to fixed and crystallized in the doctrine of whatever religion and its during a time of religious war, like what we have precisely in spirit and in the action.  Were all stressed out but in hard times a new revelation always occurs.
 
From what I understand in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the final message is completely rejected by all man whenever man comes across it.  However, there is one place where the message is backed up and that is by Paradise itself through the various Universe Capitals throughout all the Universes to us.
 
About the location of Bonjourd, that is interesting my friend because that is the location that Robert Sarmast believes is the location of Vans Capital.  It was in early 2006 when he presented an open contest (no money or anything) to see who could find the location.  A bunch of us was stimulated and went out to find the place.  Google was the only thing I had and few myths that I came along in the journey.  At the end of the day there where two possibilities,  Bonjourd or close to it and my location, east of Shirvan.  There the 2 contenders on this day.  Lets work through the contest and verify, it would be fun and exciting.  Like digging for a treasure of truth!  Beautiful for man to be led to the greatest discovery by faith being led by God through all the myths and legends and through religion finding a great unification of truth in the delivery!  Biggest presentation in the whole world where a whole nation could swing over into the great defined truth! and with demonstration in faith recorded on the run.  The document of Paradise, the record of the journey.  The truth of the matter!
 
So far there appears to be ancient pictographs or rock art that is close to Bonjourd that appears to reflect very ancient things.
 
It looks good for Bonjourd as close to the location considering the evidence to light so far.  However, I would still like to check out the location not far from Shirvan leading to RashVanLu and MayVan and then the location which I selected to investigate and to see if there are reflections or not.
 
Its a beautiful journey of exploration and discovery and enlivens man to seek the paths that Paradise which has been set down to us as we reveal on the run through our various research, getting to the truth of the matter.
 
I was going through your post and it was very interesting and fascinating and I noticed a very large tree in the rock art which could be reflection of the tree of life in metaphor and symbol.
 
About the believing thing, I wouldn't expect anyone to believe this as we need to do expeditions to these places and that would the greatest step in faith for man.  However, the rewards of faith is very high in this project of mankind and Paradise encourages man to walk in faith in its guidance particularly from ancient times which is very dear to Paradise! being the Crowns of truth for the planet.
 
I was impressed with Robert Sarmast's faith in stepping out to Cyprus with little money where he manifested the 2 expeditions to Cyprus.  Its precisely this kind of faith that Paradise honours.  The book and the location and we were blessed in the discovery in what it revealed,  I read and I see and I find and I realize and I know and I share.
 
For us its not a matter of personality survival because we have the witness of truth within ourselves through our religion and in our day to day relationship with God this motivated by Love and freedom rather than fear and bondage.  However, I feel its a matter of enhancement of what we already have, to define the truth better and to bring out all the verses in the books in greater light in its full potential in interpretation that is harmonized even on the scientific levels.
 
Thanks and blessings for your contribution in your love for one another in your own efforts to define much truth, to led by God.  I really thanks the Lord for all of this.
 
Anyway I'm going to away for about 7-8 days (work) so it will be interesting how world events go in the meantime.
 
Its always interesting, as we are at the precipice of world change but I afraid Mankind will have be taught a few lessons regarding Governance, leadership and developing a world system which is good for all man run by faith Sons of the Father in heaven.
 
It could be that someone will do something really bad and stupid and that forces Paradise and I know there is warning not to force Paradise' hand, apparently it wont be successful.  The success Paradise likes to follow is the truth of our past leading to the present and the future in research, exploration, discovery and realization in light of the evidence.  Paradise has no interest in death and destruction only in revelation of truth!
 
I feel the Father in Paradise is already raising those he wants to work with in the New Government of Mankind!  Its all based on faith and good actions to all man with the Spirit God within oneself guiding from within and from the outward via the angelic circuits of the planet.  I believe you Cyrus is one such person the Father wants to work with in the new Government of Mankind and other people here no doubt about that.  This is a good forum with good people who have God in there hearts in mind body and soul.  God will honour all here.
 
No doubt about that!
 
Sevens

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Posted: Today at 20:41 http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=26198&PN=5 13th Jan 09

This is what I reckon going by my hunches before i get ready to leave.

When I look at the name of the Urantia Book

Urantia, I see, Uran, then I see Iran

the tia means in our language regalia related to ceremony or things of ceremony.

Anyway, I believe this book is specifically designed for Iran and the people where they have a marvelous opportunity to verify everything in this book in discovery and which leads to the Planetary Government of Mankind.

I believe Iran is the first nation to swing over to new paths of Paradise in direction, wholeheartedly!

Everything that has happened in Iran is all by design to prepare for the advent of a great revelation and change that will spread throughout the world. 

Only the blindness of pride and prejudice can prevent this.

I think Iran is about to embark on a great journey from Paradise and it will be good for all the nations in the presentation.  It will provide healing! and to make friends in the Spirit of God and of the Sovereign, the spirit of love for one another through a great realisation and knowing its the truth because of its oneness,  harmonization and unification.

that's my thought

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The Hyperdimensional Election of Barack Obama and 2012 part1

and this connection

 

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Barack Obama sworn in, warns of 'raging storms'

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24941906-5013948,00.html

"On this day," he said, "we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.

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line 142: You who today enjoy the advantages of the art of printing little understand how difficult it was to perpetuate truth during these earlier times; how easy it was to lose sight of a new doctrine from one generation to another. There was always a tendency for the new doctrine to become absorbed into the older body of religious teaching and magical practice. A new revelation is always contaminated by the older evolutionary beliefs.

 

and this

 

• line 94: 5. The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.

 

• line 121: The future of Urantia will doubtless be characterized by the appearance of teachers of religious truth--the Fatherhood of God and the fraternity of all creatures. But it is to be hoped that the ardent and sincere efforts of these future prophets will be directed less toward the strengthening of interreligious barriers and more toward the augmentation of the religious brotherhood of spiritual worship among the many followers of the differing intellectual theologies which so characterize Urantia of Satania.

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line 171: This European culture for five thousand years continued to grow and to some extent intermingle. But the barrier of language prevented the full reciprocation of the various Occidental nations. During the past century this culture has been experiencing its best opportunity for blending in the cosmopolitan population of North America; and the future of that continent will be determined by the quality of the racial factors which are permitted to enter into its present and future populations, as well as by the level of the social culture which is maintained.

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line 157: No one in the local universe seems to know when the unsettled status of the planetary administration will terminate. The Nebadon Melchizedeks are inclined to the opinion that little change will occur in the planetary government and administration until Michael's second personal arrival on Urantia. Undoubtedly at this time, if not before, sweeping changes will be effected in planetary management. But as to the nature of such modifications of world administration, no one seems to be able even to conjecture. There is no precedent for such an episode in all the history of the inhabited worlds of the universe of Nebadon. Among the many things difficult to understand concerning the future government of Urantia, a prominent one is the location on the planet of a circuit and divisional headquarters of the archangels.

 

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Posted: Today at 06:00

Hello

I arrived back last night and have been thinking about the posts

I was intrigued by this link posted by Cyrus.

http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/al-mahdi.html

I was fascinated by the this fragment

 

This hadith seem to say that al-Mahdi's father will also have the same name as Muhammad's father (i.e., Abdullah). If so, then al-Mahdi's name should be Muhammad ibn Abdullah. However, some Muslims dispute the authenticity of these hadiths. Shi`ites believed that his name is Muhammad ibn Hasan. There are also other hadiths that give the name of al-Mahdi's mother to be the same as Muhammad's mother (i.e., Amina).

I was wondering can the name Abbes or Abbas relate to Abdullah?

My mother name is Ina and she is an Abbes.  Could that possibly relate to Amina??

Most fascinating, exploring and wondering!

Just looking at all possibilities leaving no stone unturned.  All Im doing is seeing if this journey is related to Muslim Prophecy in name or in reflection in the name.

Digging a little further

Ina is related to Amina

http://www.babiesonline.com/babynames/index.asp?name=Ina

 

Amina	Female	Arabic	Trustworthy.
Aminah	Female	Arabic	Trustworthy.

And here is an Abbes found in thr Quran and he has a warning which is no different to now, in this day.

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said to Abu Talha, "I recommend that you divide (this garden) amongst your relatives." Abu Talha said, "O Allah's Apostle! I will do the same." So Abu Talha divided it among his relatives and cousins.

Ibn 'Abbes said, "When the Qur'anic Verse:

"Warn your nearest kinsmen." (26.214)

Was revealed, the Prophet started calling the various big families of Quraish, "O Bani Fihr! O Bani Adi!".

Abu Huraira said, "When the Verse: "Warn your nearest kinsmen" was revealed, the Prophet said (in a loud voice), "O people of Quraish!"

Could this have metaphor to all the Gardens of the past where the tree of life existed including the long narrow valley in the highlands in Khorsan near Shirvan? "I recommend that you divide (this garden) amongst your relatives."


 

The Gardens of the Tree of Life in Past Epochs would be the ultimate interpretation and the Quran advises us to divided the truth of the Garden and  "to Share it!"

There is also a warning attached which I believe leads to Judgment day!

"Warn your nearest kinsmen" was revealed,

Its consistent to the overall message of this journey!

and I was intrigued by this verse
 

Then, Hudhayfah asked: 'O Messenger of Allah, how shall we know him?' He replied: "He is a man from my children, he looks like the men from the children of Israel, (quoted by Shaykh Abdullah ben Sadek, late Grand Muhaddith of Morocco, "AL MAHDI, JESUS and DAJJAL [Moshaikh - the ANTI-CHRIST]", tr. Shaykh Ahmad Darwish)

 

Could it be that the Mahdi actually hails from the Jewish religious culture in his religious origins or even from a subset of the Jewish culture such as Christianity????
 

"He is a man from my children, he looks like the men from the children of Israel," 

"he looks like the men from the children of Israel,"  Like whose religious origins are from the Jewish religious culture and connected to Christianity in later religious culture.

 

This also makes the connection directly to Jesus who assists in the revealing of truth of the Al Mahdi.  The truth of the Mahdi would have to expand the truth we have already and would be harmonized in the demonstration of truth, discovery and realization.

The Army of the Mahdi is different to all armies of the world and religions.  It is an Army of truth without any death nor destruction upon mankind and it will be the only army worthy of raising the 3 circle emblem in Jerusalem in the demonstration of harmonized truth and in friendship with the other compelled Sons of Abraham.  This could be the only satisfactory outcome for Paradise in the End Times.

This army is guided by the truth of "Love for one another....all mankind in truth and action" that is the truth of Jesus guiding the Mahdi and the only truth that will be sustainable before, during and after Judgment.

Death and destruction comes from and is manipulated by the Last rebel of false Sophistries leading to the path of death!

Not only will an army or representatives of Khorason come to Jerusalem under the Ensign of the Melchizedek but all other groups of the same truth will congregate under the same banner.  The Melchizedek did bless Abraham including all his Sons including the Sons of Kedar and what Paradise requires is reconciliation amongst ALL the Brothers of Abraham and wants to build a new temple of the heart with new expanded information with an exploratory journey that can be demonstrated including new covenant for the future.

Here is a Urantia Book in Farsi it not completed yet as its only one man working on the job and its a Mammoth task.

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http://www.starcomone.com.au/farsi/index.html
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I had a look at the name MANSUR or Mansoor

 

and another link to Monsur

 

MANSUR

Gender: Masculine

Usage: Arabic

Other Scripts: منصور (Arabic)

Means "victorious" in Arabic. Abu Jafar al-Mansur was a Muslim caliph and the founder of the city of Baghdad. Also, Mansur was a Mogul painter from India in the 17th century
 

I must say this journey to ancient cities of tree of life and beyond to Space has been one victory after another in the discovery and realization in following all the Seven Senses fully.

"One helped by God and is victorious."  absolutely 100%

Going through the link posted by Cyrus where I found this fascinating fragment

 

Muslims also tell us of an interesting bit of information about al-Mahdi:

I said, "O Messenger of Allah, praise and peace be upon him, I have never seen a Roman city like the city of Antioch and I have never seen more rain than it has." Whereupon the Messenger of Allah, praise and peace be upon him, said: "Yes, that is because the Torah, Staff of Moses, Tablets, and the Table of Solomon, the son of David are in its caves. There is not a single cloud that comes from any direction to it that does not pour its blessing in that valley. And the days and night will not pass until a man from my musked children live in it. His name is like my name and his father's name is like my father's name; his manners are like my manners. He will fill the world with fairness and justice just as it had been filled by harm and transgressions." Reported by Tamin Ad-Dari, in the reference of Ibn Hibban Ad-Du'fa.
(quoted by Shaykh Abdullah ben Sadek, late Grand Muhaddith of Morocco, "AL MAHDI, JESUS and DAJJAL [Moshaikh - the ANTI-CHRIST]", tr. Shaykh Ahmad Darwish)

I wonder if this is a reference to the Dead Sea Scrolls including its prophecies of the end time messenger.  This may point to the series of books included in the D.S.C. that the Mahdi studies and researches in finding out the truth of the matter and how it blends in with other prophecies of other religions regarding the End Times.
 

"Yes, that is because the Torah, Staff of Moses, Tablets, and the Table of Solomon, the son of David are in its caves."

"I have never seen more rain than it has" Rain usually refers to knowledge and truth in the Metaphor.

"There is not a single cloud that comes from any direction to it that does not pour its blessing in that valley"  In other words all the ancient cities points to the one  Valley, The Valley of Judgment.  Everything, despite its location is all related to the Tree of Life and its truth or knowledge.

His name is like my name and his father's name is like my father's name;
I wonder if the Fathers name is related to a number which is the same name of the Mahdi perhaps.  Seven!  Remembering in the Bible the Father actually name/numbers his last Servant.  Could it be Seven or Sevenfold.

"He will fill the world with fairness and justice just as it had been filled by harm and transgressions."  It seems we go through judgment and all the Rebels children are passed into judgment including the Last Rebel.  There will be a remnant who will pass successfully, the Children of Abraham, the ones who embrace by faith and love the New Covenant of today, of the future between the Father and Mankind.

 

 

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Continuing from the above

This Confirmation of revealing something hidden which includes bringing out the truth of the hidden in the revealing and where it leads to, knowing exactly where we come from and to know where we are going in full entirety.  Blending and bringing out all the knowledge pertaining the Tree of Life.

 

Ka'b al-Ahbar says "He will be called 'Mahdi" because he will guide (yahdi) to something hidden and will bring out the Torah and Gospel from a town called Antioch." (Izzat and Arif, p. 40, as quoted by Joel Richardson, "Antichrist, Islam's Awaited Messiah", 2006)

and this about Antioch and Orontes River.
 

It interesting that the Orontes River is precisely the remnant of the Great River that flowed out of Garden of 1stEden 38,000 years ago.  1st Eden sunken 34,000 years ago when the Gibraltar Dam broke letting the Atlantis Sea in the Basin.
 

City of Antioch

The city of Antioch is situated on the banks of the Orontes River Its interesting that the Orontes River and the Kabir river running to east is precisely the remnant of the Great River that flowed out of Garden of 1stEden 38,000 years ago.  1st Eden sunken 34,000 years ago when the Gibraltar Dam broke letting the Atlantis Sea in the Basin.

After Alexander's death Seleucus acquired Syria for his share and founded Antioch as his capital in the year 300 bc. He named it in honour of his father Antiochus. From that time it became the metropolis of all Syria.

and this was interesting.

As-Suyuti mentioned in al-Hawi that the messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "he is called the Mahdi because he will guide the people to a mountain in Syria from which he will bring out the volumes of the Torah to refute the Jews. At the hands of the Mahdi the Ark of the Covenant will be brought forth from the Lake of Tiberias and taken and placed in Jerusalem." (Izzat and Arif, p. 16, as quoted by Joel Richardson, "Antichrist, Islam's Awaited Messiah", 2006)

It seems the Mahdi will argue his case using all the books of religion and it will be related to the hidden things and its significance related to Judgment in addition it is related to the New Covenant for the future.  The truth of this Ark will come to Jerusalem in truth, beauty and goodness.

Here is "Antioch" world search in the Urantia Book  that reveals much

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=Antioch&submit=Submit

 

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=Antioch&submit=Submit

The Christian Church in Antioch before Paul

And then broke out the new and relentless persecutions by the Jews, so that the active teachers of the new religion about Jesus, which subsequently at Antioch was called Christianity, went forth to the ends of the empire proclaiming Jesus. In carrying this message, before the time of Paul the leadership was in Greek hands; and these first missionaries, as also the later ones, followed the path of Alexander's march of former days, going by way of Gaza and Tyre to Antioch and then over Asia Minor to Macedonia, then on to Rome and to the uttermost parts of the empire
 

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper194.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper194.html&line=130#mfs

and here is another very interesting fragment that concerns Islam and Philadelphian Christianity.
 

Within a short time after the destruction of Jerusalem, Antioch became the headquarters of Pauline Christianity, while Philadelphia remained the center of the Abnerian kingdom of heaven. From Antioch the Pauline version of the teachings of Jesus and about Jesus spread to all the Western world; from Philadelphia the missionaries of the Abnerian version of the kingdom of heaven spread throughout Mesopotamia and Arabia until the later times when these uncompromising emissaries of the teachings of Jesus were overwhelmed by the sudden rise of Islam.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper171.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper171.html&line=50#mfs

This is why there is much commonalities between both religions and brotherhoods that should be explored and realizes.  Now there is a new independent revelation written by the Father in Paradise to make these commonalities of truth between all religions.

A search on "Philadelphia" which has some very interesting insights and its connection to Jesus.  The same Jesus that will assist the Mahdi in the journey of hidden truth revealed.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=Philadelphia&submit=Submit

and this one in metaphor that points to Jesus personal guidance through a new teacher.

 

After the eight apostles had finally gone to their tents, and while Peter, James, and John were standing by to receive the Master's orders, Jesus called to David Zebedee, "Send to me your most fleet and trustworthy messenger." When David brought to the Master one Jacob, once a runner on the overnight messenger service between Jerusalem and Bethsaida, Jesus, addressing him, said: "In all haste, go to Abner at Philadelphia and say: `The Master sends greetings of peace to you and says that the hour has come when he will be delivered into the hands of his enemies, who will put him to death, but that he will rise from the dead and appear to you shortly, before he goes to the Father, and that he will then give you guidance to the time when the new teacher shall come to live in your hearts.'" And when Jacob had rehearsed this message to the
 

The above was about the Holy Spirit as in Pentecost, however this same spirit is still guiding many people in the desires of Jesus and the Father throughout various good works throughout the planet.

The origins of the 70 found in Islam is directly related to the 70 mentioned in the Urantia Book of whom Jesus taught personally along with Abner of Philadelphia there leader.

5. THE CONGREGATION AT PHILADELPHIA
 

Jesus and the twelve were on their way to visit Abner and his associates, who were preaching and teaching in Philadelphia. Of all the cities of Perea, in Philadelphia the largest group of Jews and gentiles, rich and poor, learned and unlearned, embraced the teachings of the seventy, thereby entering into the kingdom of heaven. The synagogue of Philadelphia had never been subject to the supervision of the Sanhedrin at Jerusalem and therefore had never been closed to the teachings of Jesus and his associates. At this very time, Abner was teaching three times a day in the Philadelphia synagogue

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper166.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper166.html&line=108#mfs
 

and this which highlights the current division that still remains in religion today.
 

It was the apparent misfortune of Abner to be at variance with all of the leaders of the early Christian church. He fell out with Peter and James (Jesus' brother) over questions of administration and the jurisdiction of the Jerusalem church; he parted company with Paul over differences of philosophy and theology. Abner was more Babylonian than Hellenic in his philosophy, and he stubbornly resisted all attempts of Paul to remake the teachings of Jesus so as

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to present less that was objectionable, first to the Jews, then to the Greco-Roman believers in the mysteries.

I believe Abner was right to stand his ground as we have shallow, Social Christianity as consequence compromised with the evolutionary religions of the past before the birth of Jesus, today!  A compromise to make it acceptable to the Pagan in the past 2000 years.
 

However in light of this, there should be a complete review today to build bridges and bring down division based on one harmonized truth using all commonalities between all religions.

A unification and completion.

and

Thus was Abner compelled to live a life of isolation. He was head of a church which was without standing at Jerusalem. He had dared to defy James the Lord's brother, who was subsequently supported by Peter. Such conduct effectively separated him from all his former associates. Then he dared to withstand Paul. Although he was wholly sympathetic with Paul in his mission to the gentiles, and though he supported him in his contentions with the church at Jerusalem, he bitterly opposed the version of Jesus' teachings which Paul elected to preach. In his last years Abner denounced Paul as the "clever corrupter of the life teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of the living God."  (Wow!!)
 

During the later years of Abner and for some time thereafter, the believers at Philadelphia held more strictly to the religion of Jesus, as he lived and taught, than any other group on earth.

Abner lived to be 89 years old, dying at Philadelphia on the 21st day of November, A.D. 74. And to the very end he was a faithful believer in, and teacher of, the gospel of the heavenly kingdom.

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Posted: Today at 08:51

Here is an image of Vans Highland Capital in a straight-line through RashVanLu, and MayVan ShirVan,



http://www.dalamatiacity.com/VansLine.jpg

With links
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/VansLine.htm

The Triangle of Truth
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/VansLine1.jpg

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Posted: Today at 10:30

At Antioch the Son of Man lived for over two months, working, observing, studying, visiting, ministering, and all the while learning how man lives, how he thinks, feels, and reacts to the environment of human existence. For three weeks of this period he worked as a tentmaker. He remained longer in Antioch than at any other place he visited on this trip. Ten years later, when the Apostle Paul was preaching in Antioch and heard his followers speak of the doctrines of the Damascus scribe, he little knew that his pupils had heard the voice, and listened to the teachings, of the Master himself.
 

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper134.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper134.html&line=151#mfs

and what came out of Antioch and who was there before Paul laying the foundation with the Greeks befoe4 Paul came  Jesus!  Jesus or the tent maker from Antioch saw the future and pre-prepared a foundation amongst the people.

 

again''Ka'b al-Ahbar says "He will be called 'Mahdi" because he will guide (yahdi) to something hidden and will bring out the Torah and Gospel from a town called Antioch."
 

where there was great rain or truth.

And Jesus in preparing the way

 

Many were the times in the years so soon to follow that Peter, Paul, and the other Christian teachers in Rome heard about this scribe of Damascus who had preceded them, and who had so obviously (and as they supposed unwittingly) prepared the way for their coming with the new gospel. Though Paul never really surmised the identity of this scribe of Damascus, he did, a short time before his death, because of the similarity of personal descriptions, reach the conclusion that the "tentmaker of Antioch" was also the "scribe of Damascus." On one occasion, while preaching in Rome, Simon Peter, on listening to a description of the Damascus scribe, surmised that this individual might have been Jesus but quickly dismissed the idea, knowing full well (so he thought) that the Master had never been in Rome

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper132.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper132.html&line=40#mfs
 

same link

 

Mardus was the acknowledged leader of the Cynics of Rome, and he became a great friend of the scribe of Damascus. Day after day he conversed with Jesus, and night upon night he listened to his supernal teaching. Among the more important discussions with Mardus was the one designed to answer this sincere Cynic's question about good and evil. In substance, and in twentieth-century phraseology, Jesus said:

and this

Through all their experiences, neither Stephen nor the thirty chosen ones ever realized that they had once talked with the man whose name became the subject of their religious teaching. Jesus' work in behalf of the original thirty-two was entirely personal. In his labors for these individuals the scribe of Damascus never met more than three of them at one time, seldom more than two, while most often he taught them singly. And he could do this great work of religious training because these men and women were not tradition bound; they were not victims of a settled preconception as to all future religious developments.

and this remarkable discovery

When preparing to leave Rome, Jesus said good-bye to none of his friends. The scribe of Damascus appeared in Rome without announcement and disappeared in like manner. It was a full year before those who knew and loved him gave up hope of seeing him again. Before the end of the second year small groups of those who had known him found themselves drawn together by their common interest in his teachings and through mutual memory of their good times with him. And these small groups of Stoics, Cynics, and mystery cultists continued to hold these irregular and informal meetings right up to the time of the appearance in Rome of the first preachers of the Christian religion.

and this

and this concerning judgment of the individual

One day while resting at lunch, about halfway to Tarentum, Ganid asked Jesus a direct question as to what he thought of India's caste system. Said Jesus: "Though human beings differ in many ways, the one from another, before God and in the spiritual world all mortals stand on an equal footing. There are only two groups of mortals in the eyes of God: those who desire to do his will and those who do not. As the universe looks upon an inhabited world, it likewise discerns two great classes: those who know God and those who do not. Those who cannot know God are reckoned among the animals of any given realm. Mankind can appropriately be divided into many classes in accordance with differing qualifications, as they may be viewed physically, mentally, socially, vocationally, or morally, but as these different classes of mortals appear before the judgment bar of God, they stand on an equal footing; God is truly no respecter of persons. Although you cannot escape the recognition of differential human abilities and endowments in matters intellectual, social, and moral, you should make no such distinctions in the spiritual brotherhood of men when assembled for worship in the presence of God."

But remember the template of the New World Planetary Government of Mankind was set down by Jesus in Lake Urmia in Iran in preparation of the new world to come.

And it was, and is, ever thus. That which the enlightened and reflective human imagination of spiritual teaching and leading wholeheartedly and unselfishly wants to do and be, becomes measurably creative in accordance with the degree of mortal dedication to the divine doing of the Father's will. When man goes in partnership with God, great things may, and do, happen.

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Laudicie Laodicea Latakia, Syria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latakia

Right where Eden and the great River was connected.

Syria my beautiful home - The Syrian coast

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce7N9p3RNkU&feature=related

Link to this page
About 2,000 years ago, the Roman geographer Strabo wrote about the residents of Latakia Latakia or Lattakia (both: lătəkē`ə, lätə–), city (1995 est. pop. 320,100), capital of Latakia governorate, W Syria, on the Mediterranean Sea.
..... Click the link for more information., Syria, who rowed their boats 4 kilometers out into the salty Mediterranean, dove a few meters to the ocean floor, and collected fresh drinking water drinking water

supply of water available to animals for drinking supplied via nipples, in troughs, dams, ponds and larger natural water sources; an insufficient supply leads to dehydration; it can be the source of infection, e.g. leptospirosis, salmonellosis, or of poisoning, e.g.
..... Click the link for more information. in goatskin goat·skin  
n.
1. The skin of a goat.

2. Leather made from a goatskin.

3. A container, as for wine, made from a goatskin.
..... Click the link for more information. containers for their city. No miracle, this--marine boaters could do the same today at a spot about 10 km east of Jacksonville, Fla. In fact, similar freshwater springs erupt on the seafloor near many shores. These flows of water originate on land and end up in the sea, just as rivers do--only they take a subterranean route to their destinations.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Invisible+rivers%3a+fresh+water+also+flows+to+sea+through+the+ground-a0138396654

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Posted: Today at 12:47
 

I think Zoroastrian  is very much part of this whole thing since all the religions are influenced by the foundations of Zorostarism.

There is much good to say for Zorostarism and it truth for today.

Could this be related to the unified Ahura Mazda of today.

 

this will be accomplished in fifty-seven years in all. Soshyos will also be helped by immortal Aryans who have lived in their bodies down the ages

 

Part of the Ahura Mazda have direct links born to Adamson and Ratta as invisible immortal Ayrans beings who are unified since 2000 years and work for the service of man today in Government of Mankind.

and

 

These secret benefactors of mankinds will number more than a thousand, and they include Peshotan, Ashavazd, Tus, Giv, Aghrerath, Urvatadnar, Narsih and others. Peshotan (Chitra-mahan) will come with a hundred and fifty disciples, to help Soshyos
 

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper77.html#8.%20THE%20UNITED%20MIDWAYERS

 

The 1,111 loyal secondary midwayers are engaged in important missions on earth. As compared with their primary associates, they are decidedly material. They exist just outside the range of mortal vision and possess sufficient latitude of adaptation to make, at will, physical contact with what humans call "material things." These unique creatures have certain definite powers over the things of time and space, not excepting the beasts of the realm.

Many of the more literal phenomena ascribed to angels have been performed by the secondary midway creatures. When the early teachers of the gospel of Jesus were thrown into prison by the ignorant religious leaders of that day, an actual "angel of the Lord" "by night opened the prison doors and brought them forth." But in the case of Peter's deliverance after the killing of James by Herod's order, it was a secondary midwayer who performed the work ascribed to an angel.

 

and the origins of the Secondary Midwayers, the Ahura Mazda.  Some where loyal and some not but in our day they are united.
 

Fragment

6. THE SECONDARY MIDWAYERS

While the primary midwayers had a well-nigh superhuman origin, the secondary order are the offspring of the pure Adamic stock united with a humanized descendant of ancestors common to the parentage of the senior corps.

Among the children of Adamson there were just sixteen of the peculiar progenitors of the secondary midwayers. These unique children were equally divided as regards sex, and each couple was capable of producing a secondary midwayer every seventy days by a combined technique of sex and nonsex liaison. And such a phenomenon was never possible on earth before that time, nor has it ever occurred since.

These sixteen children lived and died (except for their peculiarities) as mortals of the realm, but their electrically energized offspring live on and on, not being subject to the limitations of mortal flesh.

Each of the eight couples eventually produced 248 midwayers, and thus did the original secondary corps--1,984 in number--come into existence. There are eight subgroups of secondary midwayers. They are designated as a-b-c the first, second, third, and so on. And then there are d-e-f the first, second, and so on.

After the default of Adam the primary midwayers returned to the service of the Melchizedek receivers, while the secondary group were attached to the Adamson center until his death. Thirty-three of these secondary midwayers, the

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chiefs of their organization at the death of Adamson, endeavored to swing the whole order over to the service of the Melchizedeks, thus effecting a liaison with the primary corps. But failing to accomplish this, they deserted their companions and went over in a body to the service of the planetary receivers.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper77.html#6.%20THE%20SECONDARY%20MIDWAYERS
 

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Posted: Today at 13:08

Information about the Ahura Mazda from the UB

PAPER 98 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE OCCIDENT, Oct 19 2000
 

• line 103: The Mithraic cult portrayed a militant god taking origin in a great rock, engaging in valiant exploits, and causing water to gush forth from a rock struck with his arrows. There was a flood from which one man escaped in a specially built boat and a last supper which Mithras celebrated with the sun-god before he ascended into the heavens. This sun-god, or Sol Invictus, was a degeneration of the Ahura-Mazda deity concept of Zoroastrianism. Mithras was conceived as the surviving champion of the sun-god in his struggle with the god of darkness. And in recognition of his slaying the mythical sacred bull, Mithras was made immortal, being exalted to the station of intercessor for the human race among the gods on high.

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PAPER 95 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE LEVANT, Oct 19 2000
 

• line 121: This founder of a new religion was a virile and adventurous youth, who, on his first pilgrimage to Ur in Mesopotamia, had learned of the traditions of the Caligastia and the Lucifer rebellion--along with many other traditions--all of which had made a strong appeal to his religious nature. Accordingly, as the result of a dream while in Ur, he settled upon a program of returning to his northern home to undertake the remodeling of the religion of his people. He had imbibed the Hebraic idea of a God of justice, the Mosaic concept of divinity. The idea of a supreme God was clear in his mind, and he set down all other gods as devils, consigned them to the ranks of the demons of which he had heard in Mesopotamia. He had learned of the story of the Seven Master Spirits as the tradition lingered in Ur, and, accordingly, he created a galaxy of seven supreme gods with Ahura-Mazda at its head. These subordinate gods he associated with the idealization of Right Law, Good Thought, Noble Government, Holy Character, Health, and Immortality.

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=Mazda

In actual fact the United Secondary Midwayers are the Immortal Aryans or Iranians and it was at their request that the Urantia Book comes to pass on this planet and the Ancients of Days responded.

The Secondary Immortal Iranians/Aryans are the direct progeny of Adamson and Ratta and are directly connected to the leadership of the mythical Kingdom of Aratta.

In fact these immortal and invisible Iranians/Aryans of old are in fact helping the world cause for the Planetary Government of Mankind in this planet.

Right now as we speak!

The rebel secondary Midways as spoken about in the books in the Avesta are in actual fact interned from 2000 years ago at Pentecost.

Imagine there are alive immortal Iranians walking in the midst of us promoting the cause of truth for today.  Literally!

and here is an extra on the search of "Ahura"

 

 Not even in China or Rome did the Melchizedek teachings fail more completely than in this desert region so very near Salem itself. Long after the majority of the peoples of the Orient and Occident had become respectively Buddhist and Christian, the desert of Arabia continued as it had for thousands of years. Each tribe worshiped its olden fetish, and many individual families had their own household gods. Long the struggle continued between Babylonian Ishtar, Hebrew Yahweh, Iranian Ahura, and Christian Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. Never was one concept able fully to displace the others
 

The Primary Midwayers, the higher and united associates of the Secondary Midwayers are the derived from Dalamatia City, the first City, submerged in the Persian Gulf.

Yet another group of high beings (Sons of God) that derive close to Iran, off shore and submerged in our day.   You could say they are the Sons of God who hail from the Sea, from there submerged city,  Dalamatia!

Praise the Father!

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Posted: Today at 13:37

"Soshyos will have six special deputies at that time: Roshn- chashm, Khur-chashm, Fradat-gadman, Varedat-gadman, Kamak- vakhshishn, and Kamak-sud, and he along with those special deputies will divide the great work among them - working one each in each of the seven zones. Wonderously, they will communicate with one another even if they be thousands of miles apart - by reading each other's thoughts with a spiritual sixth sense.

 

Is the above somehow connected to the internet and the current mode of communication of today, thousands of miles in no time throughout the world in all the Seven continents.  wondrously!

I'm wondering is this journey the Seventh Stage

 

"This glorious work of Soshyos and the deputies will last for fifty-seven years, of which fifty years will pass in the seventh zone Khvaniras - where Zarathushtra Himself taught, and where Soshyos will now base His work. In those fifty-seven years, all evil will pass away - man will abandon evil and practise true righteousness. The Aryan religion of Mazda-Yasna will indeed be practised to its fullest extent.

and this

"At the age of thirty, Soshyos will be awarded the Final Relevation from Ahura Mazda - the same pristine message that had been given to Zarathushtra millenia ago, in all it's entirety, will be revealed to him. All the works (NASKS) of our religion that had been lost in the Iron age will come back at a stroke.

As it is written in a stroke of the pen.

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I just want to say that the Ahura Mazda love the Iranian people very much and all mankind and wishes to work with man and his religion to realize a greater truth for the new world to come.

The Ahura Mazda are Iranian and are very close to the Iranian people they are actually the invisibles, the invisible Iranian brothers of the ages.  Why even a Iranian brother discovered and verified 1stEden for us all and the invisibles helped in the project.

There was a great reason for why Jesus unveiled his thoughts for the future of the Government of Mankind in Lake Urmia, Iran because Jesus knew that the Iranian people will be instrumental in this great revealing of the truth.  The only deal is that the Ahura Mazda desires that all man become friends as being the only way to vanquish the last rebel and his sophistries of division.

It is the only way to vanquish the last rebel by making friends and learning to love each other in the spirit of the Father of love and goodness.

In light of world politics, I think that the stage is set for a new beginning between the people of Iran and the USA and including the rest of the world.

I have great faith in the operations of the Ahura Mazda and I think Obama was placed in leadership for a purpose.  I just get a good feeling about Obama and the people of Iran.  I reckon Obama could be the great white hope in coming to a reconciliation with Iran where both cultures become good friends in truth.

I think Obama is wide and deep enough to understand what is going on with regard to the spiritual levels and I think the Government of Iran has the capacity to see this from this construct of the End Times.

From my heart, all these ancient places are all physical gifts from the Sevenfold mission of whom I represent for the people for Iran given freely.  The only condition is that everyone of all religions and countries has to make and be friends and work together in building a new future which involves the System Government.

The USA and Iran can be very much involved in this working together as friends and that is  something I desire to see.

This unity and working together will despoil the grievous plans and the false sophistries of the Last Rebel who will be executed upon the Justice broadcast that will emanate from the Judgment Seat of our System Capital headquarters.

I just praise the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven in all his glory and I thank the Ahura Mazda and Jesus in helping us come into to these realizations

In fact both the USA and Iran can work together in a joint venture in realizing the truth through expeditions to the ancient places in the verification.  Now this would be all the Sons of Abraham and the Zoroastrian Sons working together to build the 3rd temple of the Heart where the Father is imbibed in the soul of man with truth, beauty and goodness shared with all man.  This is the true interpretation of the 3rd Temple its not building of stone but a building of the heart of man in love for one another thus vanquishing the Last Rebel.

This is a far option than all this fear and talk about Nuclear weapons and war which should never be an option.

This construct would be the circuit breaker that will prevent another Nuclear war which is definitely an option.  Truth and peace could only come from exploration, discovery, verification and self realization.

The Father in Paradise is taking man on an almighty journey which involves all of the Universe and man working together as a team, in brotherhood and in love for one another.

Nuclear weapons and the use of them is an absolute abomination viewed by the Father in Paradise!

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It appears that an Atlantis is located in the Tethys Sea???? of which the Persian Gulf is a remnant of.

I find this quite interesting.

In the analysis of Zachariah Sitchin I find that reading in between the lines and compared to the UB truth, he is essentially correct about the timing and what occurred. The gold worker theory is just a metaphor of the rebellion that occurred there in the first Atlantis City in the Persian Gulf which is called Dalamatia City with its 40ft walled city and with its subdivisions as described in the UB and as seen in the image.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia1_thumb.jpg

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia1.jpg

Atlantis was the home of the Sons of God and there were 2 places of the Sons of God, Dalamatia City and 1stEden submerged of Cyprus.

Again Diordorus

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For I go to see
the ends of the bountiful earth, Oceanus
source of the gods and Tethys divine (Tethys sea is the location of the Persian Gulf, in prehistoric times when the Mediterranean was connected to the Indian Ocean, this region was the Tethys sea. The location of the Persian Gulf is the old location of the Tethys Sea.)
Their mother.
This is the account given in their myth:
Their first king was Uranus, (Urantia! a reflection) and he
gathered the human beings, who dwelt in
scattered habitations, within the shelter
of a walled city

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I read, I see, simple as that!

I know where I come from and I know where I go.

Connection of the Tethys Sea and Iran

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The Tethys Sea began to subducted under the Iranian Plate in the Late Cretaceous. Cessation (Wolf, 1959) or slowing of subduction resulted in carbonate sedimentation in Early Cenozoic time (Farhoudi, 1978) as well as the deposition of 400m evaporatic materials in the Miocene. Orogenic movements began in the Middle or upper Miocene when sedimentation became clastic. The opening of the Red Sea intensified folding and uplift, which are still going on.
 

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http://www.gisdevelopment.net/application/nrm/coastal/mnm/ma056pf.htm

The location of Dalamatia City appears to be right on top of a huge fault line.

and



The city was destroyed by rapid submergence and that's why Gas is found in the area.

and this information about the history of the Persian Gulf.

http://www.kurdistanica.com/?q=node/51

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Calvin, it wont be the end of the world, planet Earth, but I feel that things we see today will pass into a new world of which those of faith and love for one another based on the truth of Jesus will live to rebuild.

I believe a judgment will come to mankind through a judgment broadcast that will emanate from the Judgment Seat from the system headquarters where the 24 elders live and who are seated around the Judgment Seat.

The judgment of the Last Rebel will come followed by his children.

When the judgment broadcast comes the Earth will shake and the mountains will move.

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25th Dec.... Jesus' so called birthday comes from the Mithraic religions before Jesus was born.  Mithra was born on this date.

The Catholic church just switched Mithra's Birthdate to the birth of Jesus when it became Christian.  St Peters Basilica was a Mithra temple before it became Christian.

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The Urantia Book

The adherents of this cult worshiped in caves and other secret places, chanting hymns, mumbling magic, eating the flesh of the sacrificial animals, and drinking the blood. Three times a day they worshiped, with special weekly ceremonials on the day of the sun-god and with the most elaborate observance of all on the annual festival of Mithras, December twenty-fifth. It was believed that the partaking of the sacrament ensured eternal life, the immediate passing, after death, to the bosom of Mithras, there to tarry in bliss until the judgment day. On the judgment day the Mithraic keys of heaven would unlock the gates of Paradise for the reception of the faithful; whereupon all the unbaptized of the living and the dead would be annihilated upon the return of Mithras to earth. It was taught that, when a man died, he went before Mithras for judgment, and that at the end of the world Mithras would summon all the dead from their graves to face the last judgment. The wicked would be destroyed by fire, and the righteous would reign with Mithras forever

Sounds like the Doctrine and Dogma of Christianity would you say.  Emanating out of Mithra.

Christianity should really review itself and its origins of its Doctrines and Dogmas. I can see where the compromises of Paul lay in his making of his brand of Christianity more acceptable to the Mithra congregation. The same things that Christianity has inherited to day in there presentation today.

This is precisely why much Christian Doctrine and Dogma thoughts can be wrong.  Because it, in truth came from Mithra and the Mithra thought is a degeneration of the truth....ultimately, going back in time. "This sun-god, or Sol Invictus, was a degeneration of the Ahura-Mazda deity concept of Zoroastrianism"  Christianity in theology have big roots in Zoroastrianism going back 600BC.  Now you know where the notion of Hell came from and Good and Evil and the doctrine of Judgment and the Saviour!  The intercessor and so forth!
 

7. THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION
http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper98.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper98.html&line=119#mfs

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3. The Zoroastrian conception of the struggle between cosmic good and evil, which had already left its imprint on both Judaism and Mithraism. Through prolonged contact attendant upon the struggles between Mithraism and Christianity, the doctrines of the Iranian prophet became a potent factor in determining the theologic and philosophic cast and structure of the dogmas, tenets, and cosmology of the Hellenized and Latinized versions of the teachings of Jesus.

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4. The mystery cults, especially Mithraism but also the worship of the Great Mother in the Phrygian cult. Even the legends of the birth of Jesus on Urantia became tainted with the Roman version of the miraculous birth of the Iranian savior-hero, Mithras, whose advent on earth was supposed to have been witnessed by only a handful of gift-bearing shepherds who had been informed of this impending event by angels.

All food for thought and reflection for Christianity to know the truth of there Origins of Faith and time for correction.

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6.The personal viewpoint of Paul of Tarsus. And it should be recorded that Mithraism was the dominant religion of Tarsus during his adolescence. Paul little dreamed that his well-intentioned letters to his converts would someday be regarded by still later Christians as the "word of God."    Such well-meaning teachers must not be held accountable for the use made of their writings by later-day successors

There is no escape from this post except for denial.  But would that be denying the Holy Spirit in light of the truth???

Like I said there is no escape from truth in this post regarding much of the Doctrine and Dogmas of Christianity!! including all there wild, wayward doctrines upon doctrine upon Dogma institutions including all there evolutionary rituals and so forth.

This is the plummet line of truth!  being layed down!
 

It has long since ceased to be the religion of Jesus,

but has largely forgotten the Master's personal gospel: the Fatherhood of God and the universal brotherhood of all men

Gee Christianity should be in full humbled repentance right now!!

But there to arrogant to look at themselves.  To self blinded and self absorbed with there Mithra Dogma and Christmas Presents.

In this case who is doing the sacrilege. 

Not me but those of the Christian/Mithra Faith!!!!! in actual truth!!!

Sevens

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Posted: Today at 11:54
The Worldwide influence of Zoroaster

 

Zoroastrianism is the only Urantian creed that perpetuates the Dalamatian and Edenic teachings about the Seven Master Spirits. While failing to evolve the Trinity concept, it did in a certain way approach that of God the Sevenfold. Original Zoroastrianism was not a pure dualism; though the early teachings did picture evil as a time co-ordinate of goodness, it was definitely eternity-submerged in the ultimate reality of the good. Only in later times did the belief gain credence that good and evil contended on equal terms.

The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia, were principally derived from the Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the "day of judgment," but he connected this event with the end of the world.

Even the religion which succeeded Zoroastrianism in Persia was markedly influenced by it. When the Iranian priests sought to overthrow the teachings of Zoroaster, they resurrected the ancient worship of Mithra. And Mithraism spread throughout the Levant and Mediterranean regions, being for some time a contemporary of both Judaism and Christianity. The teachings of Zoroaster thus came successively to impress three great religions:  Judaism and Christianity and, through them, Mohammedanism.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper95.html

Sevens

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« Re: Biblical Distortions in The Urantia Book Reply #110 on: Today at 06:25:49 am »

Jesus confirms a day of judgment.

Its definitely in the cards and it will come.  Its written and confirmed by Jesus himself, he will do the judgment of Mankind.
 

line 125: Then, speaking to all the disciples, he said: "You have heard how many cities and villages have received the good news of the kingdom, and how my ministers and teachers have been received by both the Jew and the gentile. And blessed indeed are these communities which have elected to believe the gospel of the kingdom. But woe upon the light-rejecting inhabitants of Chorazin, Bethsaida-Julias, and Capernaum, the cities which did not well receive these messengers. I declare that, if the mighty works done in these places had been done in Tyre and Sidon, the people of these so-called heathen cities would have long since repented in sackcloth and ashes. It shall indeed be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment."

 

line 96: To another standing near by who asked Jesus how the wealthy would stand in the day of judgment, he replied: "I have come to judge neither the rich nor the poor, but the lives men live will sit in judgment on all. Whatever else may concern the wealthy in the judgment, at least three questions must be answered by all who acquire great wealth, and these questions are:

"1. How much wealth did you accumulate?

"2. How did you get this wealth?

"3. How did you use your wealth?"

In other words how selfish where you???

Be very prepared and question yourself about the things that may be in deliberate willful error.

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# line 379: 2. Sleeping Survivors. All mortals of survival status, in the custody of personal guardians of destiny, pass through the portals of natural death and, on the third period, personalize on the mansion worlds. Those accredited beings who have, for any reason, been unable to attain that level of intelligence mastery and endowment of spirituality which would entitle them to personal guardians, cannot thus immediately and directly go to the mansion worlds. Such surviving souls must rest in unconscious sleep until the judgment day of a new epoch, a new dispensation, the coming of a Son of God to call the rolls of the age and adjudicate the realm, and this is the general practice throughout all Nebadon. It was said of Christ Michael that, when he ascended on high at the conclusion of his work on earth, "He led a great multitude of captives." And these captives were the sleeping survivors from the days of Adam to the day of the Master's resurrection on Urantia.

Judgment is on because Jesus my friend says so!!!!!  So everyone better get ready and no mucking around.

 

Sevens

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Posted: Today at 22:09
I invite you to have a look at this series of threads concerning the state of condition of the Christian religion.

The following link is a Christian End Time forum I have attended for a while outpouring this truth so Christianity can meet the change successfully.

Christianity has to go through a thorough examination of itself and there is great room for correction in the Christian religion.  No one nor religion escapes the correction of the Judgment but error and compromise has to be highlighted for the benefit of man  in the beforehand of Judgment Day.  So the winnowing is not to harsh!!!

http://www.thendtimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=950&p=52519#p52519

I feel the Urantia Book especially targets Christianity because of its espousing in its relationship with Jesus and therefore it must be corrected fully in there notions of error picked up along the way in the last 2000 years.

Jesus wants Christianity to go back to its basic roots in the message of Jesus.  To zero point and back again...A refining!  In truth, it is fore baden for the religion of Jesus to be involved in commerce and politics!!  and those are the things that have to be highlighted before judgment day because they don't see these things obviously!  Christianity must be solely devoted to the regeneration of Mankind in his soul and spirit in his day to day witness of his life in how he treats his brothers.  It has nothing to do with buildings,  churches, real estate, employment programs and social issues but it has all to do about personal religion and the personal relationship with man and the Father of Paradise.  Its out of the regeneration of the soul, from within man that extends itself to a fabulous society that leads us to the Utopia ages of light and life.

Also off course my religious roots began from Christianity and they are my brothers to and I love them very much and I want them to be successful.  Like I have met new brothers here from different religious culture and I very much want them to be successful to.  I want their religion to be in full flight in full truth in the verification and realization to in order to uplift all the brothers of all religions and the world with an harmonized and verified truth of unification.

Sevens

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Re: Biblical Distortions in The Urantia Book « Reply #111 on: Today at 12:38:14 pm »

Whilst everything is suddenly all quite on this thread while 12 Apostles and Calvin Noble are picking themselves of the floor.  Thinking how can I respond to all of the above.

I suppose Christianity and its individuals who make profit out of the religion about Jesus, have to ask themselves.  How they accumulated there wealth? and was it through using the Religion itself used as a cash cow!!!!!!!! spreading fear and anxiety to fear people through doctrine.  What was the ultimate motive deep in the heart?? Was it for survival or profit or was it out of a genuine interest to spread the word?

All these questions are things that a Christian who profits from the religion about Jesus have to ask themselves.

This includes you Calvin, you make money out of religion using the doctrines of the Church upon others with superiority and dominance.

These 3 questions alone asked by Jesus when he comes to judge will be the reckoning of the current Christian religion about Jesus and it will purge Christianity in truth from the heart.

Christianity is not safe for those who indulge in it by using religion as a weapon and then to fill the coffers.

This will be the very hard truth for many Christians who use the religion about Jesus as a cash cow spreading false doctrine through the compromises of the past and who avoid this truth like the plague!

Because it is true and we all know this.

All the social programs of religion are all of sudden shallow and does not explore the real truth of the religion of Jesus, the one he portrayed and lived in truth and in action.

I suppose I face this dilemma to regarding this journey.  I dont make money out it but I know it will take money to explore these places along with a presentation.  This is why I gave out all the information freely as it happened not to be tempted to keep this knowledge away from man for a few lousy rotten bucks.  But anyway all Im saying is that we all have to review our motives in money and Christianity.

Personally I have needs and this project has real needs to but how do you do it without the money thing??

Wait for judgment while this journey continues but meanwhile it struggles.

I dont know, the money thing has always been a dilemma for me because I want this journey to be pure and not tainted with the money/profit motivation in its ugliness.

Believe me, this project in full flight would well exceed more than a billion dollars in the box office. Easily! without a doubt! But its that money profit motivation thing that rears its head and the origins of the project that has to be considered being a Universal/Planetary project.

Regarding the purity of this project I would hate it to be tainted by the money power hungry hands of Hollywood and all the BS that occurs being a constant money chase, always for reward and profit which includes all false smiles, insincerity and falsity knowing there thoughts are quite different and apart always seeking the strategic advantage. Nothing else matters except profit and advantage over others!! That place Hollywood is rotten to the core!

Sevens

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Well Ive been thinking about this project and where to go.

It could be that judgment is with us soon or maybe Judgment is postponed as Father wants me and a crew to go and do a expedition/s to Dalamatia City to prove the matter in the verification. Perhaps he wants me to verify all I have said on these threads in the demonstration.

Maybe the Father wants me to go through this experience as a learning experience of faith and trust in him and his guidance. To go out in the physical experience and see for myself, to live what I have been saying.   We know we have discovered the location of the first city spiritually and in the research but now the father wants to take us there....himself and with all the Angels.

Well if that is to happen, funds have to be raised for a project like this. This fundraising exercise would have to provide an opportunity for all to become part of the project.

Like the raising funds in the production of the UB, funds received by the project have to encompass all man in the opportunity of faith and not by one entity funding it. Its a Jesus/mankind project.

The fund could run by an association but there will be one person signing the cheques as I have seen to many accountants rip off companies to its death knell and I dont trust very many people with money as they dont have Jesus in their hearts and are susceptible to temptation of theft and all the other ugly things that come with it.

I suppose the fund would have to accumulate funds until its ready to fully finance a 2 week expedition with all the facilities available including the production and with all the permissions.

The fund would have certain investment levels to cater for the larger and smaller investor offering a standard return which would be based on scale dependant on the receipts in the Box office.  Equal return, equal opportunity.

I was thinking the highest return would be 100% return on a scale, why not. Double the investment in the best circumstances.

I was thinking that the project would have 3 main components.

The current project, future expeditions and a social program.

The current project would involve current production and expedition to Dalamatia City and an 3rd expedition to 1stEden to firm up the other anomalies that can be seen and do match to what is written in the Urantia Book. The production and presentation would be a joint presentation of 2 cities running down through the timeline in truth and the presenting the evidence. The Van highland can also be included and much information has already been gifted to the brothers of Shirvan to go and have look in the initial phase to see if the anomalies to actually exist.

Really speaking the presentation will about the Journey of the Tree of life through 3 locations, 2 submerged and one above water. In effect it could be about the adventures of Van and Amadon throughout the ages walking through the location of the ages.

Why Robert Sarmast could go to 1stEden in a 3rd expedition and I myself to Dalamatia City virtually simultaneously and both to Van highland...maybe perhaps!!  Any combination could work.  The pres would be about the past, present and future destiny.

The presentation in Hindu prophecy would be the Tipura where the 3 cities of truth become one in the presentation and as we walk through these cities.

I would say that would be the main presentation, the presentation of the 3 cities and the journey to them knowing that the on the run document of the journey is available for all to read for free at all times.  Seeing it in the manifestation as it happened!

I believe the receipt from this in the Box office would be massive which would provide funds for the 2 other component funds.

Once all is fulfilled with the investors and associated production companies the rest of the receipts can be channeled into the future expeditions fund where monies are accumulated for future expeditions and presentations such as a 2 week expedition to Dilmun and the Tower of Babel and perhaps an expedition to 1stSusa and highlight the ancient Andite paths even to South America and through to the Great Pyramid  to the ancient man on the plug following the symbols.

Simultaneously, monies can be channeled to fund a social program such as the Free School idea where the poor are taught the basics of civilisation for free and where the older teach the younger throughout the world raising the spirit of Dalamatia City in its original function.  Also I would like open an Sevenfold institute of learning and research where all the books of religion are blended together in research and study and guided by the UB information, a place where individual religionists can study freely in an open environment and seek out the truth of the matter.  Also I would finance all the translations of the UB book.

In all the while investment can also be made to produce free energy devices for poor civilizations in order to create food, have clean water and have shelter with free energy.

As for me I want to pay of debt, secure the bunker, continue the on the run research and go to all these places through expeditions and verify the truth before the advent of judgment, if it comes to pass in our day.

It is a good experience to live by faith without any security relying on the Father. It is a good thing for any to man at least once on his life to go through an experience like that, to live by faith and with the Angels in faith. However, in this journey things will have to change in order to fulfill the ultimate goal of this journey in the physical as I am unable to do anything at this stage.

If judgment is to be postponed or put back until this journey is fully fulfilled then things have to move rapidly in this direction of fulfilling in the physical. 


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posted 01-24-2009 04:04 AM

Oh well thats the way it goes buddy, I cant help what you feel.

You bore me to with your dribble. Just alot of fluff!

Why dont you shove off and join your Mithraic Dogma come nothing doing Christian mates.

Meanwhile III just stick to the Jesus journey of all journeys.

Its the parting of the ways! buddy!!

Your'e either for or against this journey to the ancient places.

sevens

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That be right, more Spain propaganda and probably a mass of Spain Atlantis Unsubstantiated Propaganda hit pages.
ahahahahahahaha

But why haven't you done anything in expeditions ...How long is it now.

The research certainly has not gone any further.

Despite the hits it doesn't mean its right nor true.

You still have to prove everything, as everything in Spain is just speculation. The pots and pans with circles are just another art decoration, the art form probably comes from Sumeria ultimately.

Atlantis is not in Spain 1300 BC or whatever that recent time was. Spain is not the land of the Gods but its Bull fighting country with a few circles and beautiful women here and there.

ahahahah.


Sevens

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posted 01-24-2009 01:05And Tartesso

Ahhh come on you still trying to convince people of that. That was not the beginning of civilisations just a Phoenician outpost in the original that was abandoned and probably found it way in the books as a mere place.

Wasn't that about 1350BC or something like that. whilst you have other civilisation that go back 11,000 years in Jiroft, Iran with Andite script.

That's probably where the circle influence came from in the first instance, the Andites in the nomadic travels when there homes where flooded in Mesopotamia. They traveled right through Spain and Morocco.

Just even in the time line, the Spain/Taterossos doesn't make not one scrap of sense particularly with the dates you guys are working with.

Even Diordorus was right placing Atlantis in the Tethys Sea, the Old Persian Gulf in a walled city and that is submerged and you can see it in the image and in the triangulation of Knowledge. Knowledge already given to us by the Gods of the Atlanteans so to speak! in there presentation on truth and Spain the Atlantis Nationalist Propaganda look at me FLUFF.


ahahahahah

He doesn't mention Taterossos.

To me that Pdf was like a man trying to promote a broken theory that was blunt and flawed in the first place especially in the timeline.


These ancient story are simply stories of self grandeur of people who wanted to be Gods but never made the grade and knew they were mere stupid mortals wanting to be seen as Gods so they made stories up based on past legends and adopted them to their environment.....sounds like a familiar trait!

Just wanna be Gods but are not!


Sevens
 

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Well Diordorus says Atlantis is in the Tethys sea.

No body can really reply to that because people cant in truth.

Because people can read it from an ancient Historian point of view backed up by the UB and see it in the images.

This is why people cannot respond that's because people cant get around it and you know it is true because you can see it. It does not suit the man who desires Atlantis in his backyard to suit his theory.

The only Atlantis they will find is the ancient out house in the back of there Backyard partly submerged in rubbish.

There will be only one truth that will come to pass in full flight, all other theories about the first places of the Gods will fail and be broken like chaff in the wind.

Sevens

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posted 01-24-2009 01:42

Well Diordorus says Atlantis is in the Tethys sea.

No body can really reply to that because people cant in truth.

Because people can read it from an ancient Historian point of view backed up by the UB and see it in the images.

This is why people cannot respond that's because people cant get around it and you know it is true because you can see it. It does not suit the man who desires Atlantis in his backyard to suit his theory.

The only Atlantis they will find is the ancient out house in the back of there Backyard partly submerged in rubbish.

There will be only one truth that will come to pass in full flight, all other theories about the first places of the Gods will fail and be broken like chaff in the wind.

This sounds like a type for Adam, Jesus and the last Servant described in the DSC as prophesied.

 

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And since he was a carefull
observer of the stars he foretold many
things which would take place throughout (In the beforehand, before the event)
the world; and for the common people
he introduced the year on the basis of the
movement of the sun and the month on
that of the moon, and instructed them in
the seasons which recur year after year.
Consequently the masses of the people,
being ignorant of the eternal arrangement
of the stars and marvelling at the
events which were taking place as he
had predicted , conceived that the man
who taught such things partook of the
nature of the gods, and after he had
passed from among men they accorded
to him immortal honours, both because
of his benefactions and because of his
knowledge of the stars; and then they
transferred his name to the firmament of
heaven, both because they thought that
he had been so intimately acquainted
with the risings and the settings of the
stars and with whatever else took place
in the firmament, and because they would
surpass his benefactions by the magnitude
of the honours which they would show
him, in that for all subsequent time they
proclaimed him to be the king of the
universe.

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The Only true planetary Kings that were ever recognized by the Universe and by a few human beings, in truth was Van(Dalamatia City/Persian Gulf and Van Highland Capital in NE Iran) , Adam/Eve(1stEden of Cyprus), Jesus Sovereign (The World/Universe), and Melchkizedek(Jerusalem).

I believe Diordorus describes Dalamatia City in truth but 11,000 years ago he could be speaking and describing Dilmun/Babel submerged of Iran in the Old Tethys Sea/Persian Gulf. Dilmun/Babel which was a major commercial trading hub like New York is today. 12,000 years ago they attempted to rebuild Babel on the original foundations of the first try out 150,000 years ago which failed in war amongst the Nodite tribes.

We know that Dilmun/Babel was built upon the memory and design of Dalamatia City, the original and first home of the Sons of God. When you look at Dilmun you are looking at Dalamatia City in design, the triangle walled city with a circular temple in the middle. The origins of the triangle/circle chevron.

By the way the triangle circle chevron is found in each of these places mentioned in the above and even in the Great Pyramid with the Ancient man pointing to it obviously giving us advise!!!! Come on man get your act together explore this!!!!!!!! Advise from the ancient man on the plug. ahahahahahah!

Dalamatia City was destroyed by major subsidence and consequently a tidal wave 200,000 years ago. The NEW Dilmun with Babel was built 150,000 years after the destruction of the first city Dalamatia City but there was an earlier Dilmun further to the South near the Headwaters of the Persian Gulf south. Jiroft could be the earlier Dilmun or the earlier city could be located near Jiroft somewhere.

That's basically the story and we have the locations and we can go now and verify.

No worries mate!

Come on Mankind, lets do something really exciting enough of the Fluffy business. Lets not stuff around with endless speculation and BS lets just do it like what the God Nike suggests!!!!

Just do it!!!! ahahahahahahah!

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From Tennyson

From under my starry sea-bud crown
Low adown and around,
And I should look like a fountain of gold
Springing alone
With a shrill inner sound
Over the throne
In the midst of the hall;
Till that great sea-snake under the sea
From his coiled sleeps in the central deeps
Would slowly trail himself sevenfold
Round the hall where I sate, and look in at the gate
With his large calm eyes for the love of me.
And all the mermen under the sea
Would feel their immortality
Die in their hearts for the love of me.

Can you see the construct and the journey of today in the above?

Its sounds like immortal Mermen or all the Angels are awaiting for us. Im sure they have something prepared for us....mankind. The Seventh Mystery of the Seventh Angel. The Sevenfold Corp! sponsored by the Ancients of Days. The Judges!

Are we to afraid and lack courage to go there and explore the mystery of GOD! Are we too afraid to loose what we have ???? which is our BS!

The great quest of man and all I hear and see are crickets in the bush!

Hey Pssst! Has anyone got a spare 25 million! ahahahahahahah

Come on lets kick some goals like a bloke from the bush. Lets get some full points on the board iIIi !!

Lets knock over this Atlantis thing once and for all with goals on the board.


Sevens

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Love of adventure, curiosity, and dread of monotony--these traits inherent in evolving human nature--were not put there just to aggravate and annoy you during your short sojourn on earth, but rather to suggest to you that death is only the beginning of an endless career of adventure, an everlasting life of anticipation, an eternal voyage of discovery.

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper14.html

Page 160 Curiosity--the spirit of investigation, the urge of discovery, the drive of exploration--is a part of the inborn and divine endowment of evolutionary space creatures. These natural impulses were not given you merely to be frustrated and repressed. True, these ambitious urges must frequently be restrained during your short life on earth, disappointment must be often experienced, but they are to be fully realized and gloriously gratified during the long ages to come.

There is a great adventure to be had by all of us, this opportunity is open to anyone no matter who!  Its all very easy and natural to enter this future experience and most of all its personal and individual.

and this I thought was cool to

Monotony is indicative of immaturity of the creative imagination and inactivity of intellectual co-ordination with the spiritual endowment. By the time an ascendant mortal begins the exploration of these heavenly worlds, he has already attained emotional, intellectual, and social, if not spiritual, maturity.

and this from this paper http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper4.html

Can you not advance in your concept of God's dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man's mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual. Providence is always consistent with the unchanging and perfect nature of the supreme Lawmaker.

Page 55

"God is faithful" and "all his commandments are just." "His faithfulness is established in the very skies." "Forever, O Lord, your word is settled in heaven. Your faithfulness is to all generations; you have established the earth and it abides." "He is a faithful Creator."

There is no limitation of the forces and personalities which the Father may use to uphold his purpose and sustain his creatures. "The eternal God is our refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms." "He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty." "Behold, he who keeps us shall neither slumber nor sleep." "We know that all things work together for good to those who love God," "for the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayers."


God upholds "all things by the word of his power." And when new worlds are born, he "sends forth his Sons and they are created." God not only creates, but he "preserves them all." God constantly upholds all things material and all beings spiritual. The universes are eternally stable. There is stability in the midst of apparent instability. There is an underlying order and security in the midst of the energy upheavals and the physical cataclysms of the starry realms.

and

 

and this

You can probably understand why religion today does not look appealing to the normal guy on the street and for the atheist. Its because of the "puerile and primitive" concepts of God man beholds. This primitive view of religion has no persuasive power for any Atheist and that's why I believe the Urantia Book came particularly for the Atheist in a proper presentation of God and which can be demonstrated through science.

Especially for the Atheist, I believe God is putting is presentation forward for the Atheist and with friendliness God invites the Atheist to test the book.  No worries mate!

Sevens

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http://ravingatheists.com/forum/showthread.php?p=541325#post541325 Atheist site  26th Jan 08

ahahahahahahah youre a sad sight.

Definitely


"unworthy of an enlightened age of science and truth"


Because you are a totally stupid bastard! Dont know a thing, cant even look into things nor read.

What happening here is pulling apart of Christianity to purge out the errors, its the current perception is being put forward for destruction only to be rebuilt with proper truth and not the barbarous and erroneous ideas that even the Atheist suffers from. That's not his fault that is the fault of current religions and there backward ideas and presentations which includes the some prophecies and notions.

sevens

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The "the secret place" has direct metaphor to all the submerged cities of the ancient Epochal times in our past as in this specific journey.

Sevens

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6. VAN--THE STEADFAST

The followers of Van early withdrew to the highlands west of India, where they were exempt from attacks by the confused races of the lowlands, and from which place of retirement they planned for the rehabilitation of the world as their early Badonite predecessors had once all unwittingly worked for the welfare of mankind just before the days of the birth of the Sangik tribes.
 

(I suspect this location as the initial location of evacuation by Van and Amadon.)

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/lake_dal.htm  Also the clue to the number of the Mahdi, his number)

 

Before the arrival of the Melchizedek receivers, Van placed the administration of human affairs in the hands of ten commissions of four each, groups identical with those of the Prince's regime. The senior resident Life Carriers assumed temporary leadership of this council of forty, which functioned throughout the seven years of waiting. Similar groups of Amadonites assumed these responsibilities when the thirty-nine loyal staff members returned to Jerusem.

These Amadonites were derived from the group of 144 loyal Andonites to which Amadon belonged, and who have become known by his name. This group comprised thirty-nine men and one hundred and five women. Fifty-six of this number were of immortality status, and all (except Amadon) were translated along with the loyal members of the staff. The remainder of this noble band continued on earth to the end of their mortal days under the leadership of Van and Amadon. They were the biologic leaven which multiplied and continued to furnish leadership for the world down through the long dark ages of the postrebellion era.

Van was left on Urantia until the time of Adam, remaining as titular head of all superhuman personalities functioning on the planet. He and Amadon were sustained by the technique of the tree of life in conjunction with the specialized life ministry of the Melchizedeks for over one hundred and fifty thousand years.

The affairs of Urantia were for a long time administered by a council of planetary receivers, twelve Melchizedeks, confirmed by the mandate of the senior constellation ruler, the Most High Father of Norlatiadek. Associated with the Melchizedek receivers was an advisory council consisting of: one of

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the loyal aids of the fallen Prince, the two resident Life Carriers, a Trinitized Son in apprenticeship training, a volunteer Teacher Son, a Brilliant Evening Star of Avalon (periodically), the chiefs of seraphim and cherubim, advisers from two neighboring planets, the director general of subordinate angelic life, and Van, the commander in chief of the midway creatures. And thus was Urantia governed and administered until the arrival of Adam. It is not strange that the courageous and loyal Van was assigned a place on the council of planetary receivers which for so long administered the affairs of Urantia.

The twelve Melchizedek receivers of Urantia did heroic work. They preserved the remnants of civilization, and their planetary policies were faithfully executed by Van. Within one thousand years after the rebellion he had more than three hundred and fifty advanced groups scattered abroad in the world. These outposts of civilization consisted largely of the descendants of the loyal Andonites slightly admixed with the Sangik races, particularly the blue men, and with the Nodites.

Notwithstanding the terrible setback of rebellion there were many good strains of biologic promise on earth. Under the supervision of the Melchizedek receivers, Van and Amadon continued the work of fostering the natural evolution of the human race, carrying forward the physical evolution of man until it reached that culminating attainment which warranted the dispatch of a Material Son and Daughter to Urantia.

 

• line 111: Adamson was among that group of the children of Adam and Eve who elected to remain on earth with their father and mother. Now this eldest son of Adam had often heard from Van and Amadon the story of their highland home in the north, and sometime after the establishment of the second garden he determined to go in search of this land of his youthful dreams.

 

• line 123: This center of civilization was situated in the region east of the southern end of the Caspian Sea, near the Kopet Dagh. A short way up in the foothills of Turkestan are the vestiges of what was onetime the Adamsonite headquarters of the violet race. In these highland sites, situated in a narrow and ancient fertile belt lying in the lower foothills of the Kopet range, there successively arose at various periods four diverse cultures respectively fostered by four different groups of Adamson's descendants. It was the second of these groups which migrated westward to Greece and the islands of the Mediterranean. The residue of Adamson's descendants migrated north and west to enter Europe with the blended stock of the last Andite wave coming out of Mesopotamia, and they were also numbered among the Andite-Aryan invaders of India.

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Posted: Today at 02:01 26th Jan 09 http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=26198&PID=498498#498498

Another place of Culture to Study is northwest of India This is most like reflected in the Vedas and other books reflecting Van as Vuranus and other related names.  The best keywords to follow in lighting up the path of Van is Van and Aratta or Ratta.

 line 67: From about 30,000 to 10,000 B.C. epoch-making racial mixtures were taking place throughout southwestern Asia. The highland inhabitants of Turkestan were a virile and vigorous people. To the northwest of India much of the culture of the days of Van persisted. Still to the north of these settlements the best of the early Andonites had been preserved. And both of these superior races of culture and character were absorbed by the northward-moving Adamites

 

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Posted: Today at 04:25

When the symbol of the caduceus is stylized and simplified, it creates another set of linked associations. For decades, anthropologists have tried to decipher the meaning of the symbol found among the ruins of Minoan Crete (one of the primary sources of Greek civilization). This symbol, called the labrys, is often called a double-headed axe because it resembles one. Feminists have reinterpreted it, given the Minoan culture, to represent the wings of a butterfly spread at the top of a rod (which might represent a caterpillar); it is read now as a symbol of transformation and transcendence, which makes it parallel to the caduceus; but scholars have not yet realized that it is, in fact, a simplified caduceus. Less sophisticated renditions of the labrys scratched onto stones and walls look like a sideways hourglass on top of a line.

 

(Like in this hourglass symbol the map the Van highland capital.)

 

 

BUTTERFLY, FOUR-ARMED CROSSES WITH CIRCLE IN THE CENTER. [5,800 BC]
Note the Trident E tips of the Cross as well as the four [+4 = 8] divergent Triangles leading to the Center Point. Double-Axe of the Twin(Tigris & Euphrates rivers) Goddess with the "Asterisk" leading to the Inner Circle.

line 99: Some of the early associates of Van subsequently settled about the shores of the lake which still bears his name, and their traditions grew up about this locality. Ararat became their sacred mountain, having much the same meaning to later-day Vanites that Sinai had to the Hebrews. Ten thousand years ago the Vanite ancestors of the Assyrians taught that their moral law of seven commandments had been given to Van by the Gods upon Mount Ararat. They firmly believed that Van and his associate Amadon were taken alive from the planet while they were up on the mountain engaged in worship.
 

line 100: Mount Ararat was the sacred mountain of northern Mesopotamia, and since much of your tradition of these ancient times was acquired in connection with the Babylonian story of the flood, it is not surprising that Mount Ararat and its region were woven into the later Jewish story of Noah and the universal flood.

line 111: Van and Amadon remained on earth until shortly after the arrival of Adam and Eve. Some years thereafter they were translated to Jerusem, where Van was reunited with his waiting Adjuster. Van now serves in behalf of Urantia while awaiting the order to go forward on the long, long trail to Paradise perfection and the unrevealed destiny of the assembling Corps of Mortal Finality.

line 110: They did not long rest in the oblivion of the unconscious sleep of the mortals of the realm. On the third day after Adam's death, the second following his reverent burial, the orders of Lanaforge, sustained by the acting Most High of Edentia and concurred in by the Union of Days on Salvington, acting for Michael, were placed in Gabriel's hands, directing the special roll call of the distinguished survivors of the Adamic default on Urantia. And in accordance with this mandate of special resurrection, number twenty-six of the Urantia series, Adam and Eve were repersonalized and reassembled in the resurrection halls of the mansion worlds of Satania together with 1,316 of their associates in the experience of the first garden. Many other loyal souls had already been translated at the time of Adam's arrival, which was attended by a dispensational adjudication of both the sleeping survivors and of the living qualified ascenders.

Haran article

Genesis 11:28, "And Haran died in his father Terah's presence in the land of his kindred, in Ur of the Chaldees." Not in Ur in the land of Babylonia.

Up around the Vanite area.

Here is a fragment

The point we are studying here, though, is "where was Ur" that Abraham and Terah dwelt in before they went to Haran? Ever since Woolley's discovery of the ancient city of Ur in southern Mesopotamia, the general consensus among the "learned men and scholars" has been that this was Abraham's "Ur". But again, this doesn't agree with the Biblical account. It indicates that Abraham made a 600 or so mile detour to the north — yet, Canaan was directly west of this "Ur". Remember, Genesis 11:31 tells us distinctly that when Abraham, Terah and Lot left Ur, they were going to Canaan.

Haran

Well, the site of Haran is known. And amazingly, it is located in that very plain that we located earlier when we followed the Euphrates from the Ararat region; the first plain encountered when the Euphrates leaves the mountainous region. It is also located on the Balikh River — the Euphrates, flowing south, turns west, then south and then east, around this plain area. The Balikh River branches off the western curve of the Euphrates and flows directly south and meets up with the eastern curve.

Are we to believe Abraham left southern Mesopotamia for Canaan, detouring to Haran which was about 600 miles north, and then another 400 miles south to Canaan? Or should we look for Ur in the region of Haran? Remember, we earlier discussed the need for traveling along rivers? Well, if we follow the Balikh River north, we see that about 20 miles north and a few miles west, is a city called today, Urfa. Could this be "Ur of the Chaldees"? The following is quoted from the 1985 edition of Encycolpaedia Britannica, under the subject, "Urfa": "The Town lies in the fertile plain of Haran, ringed by limestone hills on three sides. . . Traditions of its earliest foundation associate the site with the legendary king Nimrod, and Muslim legend associates the place with Abraham; a cave beneath Urfa's citadel is said to be Abraham's birthplace. The town's modern name is derived from its early Aramaic name, Urhai. . ."

In addition to this, since we are told that Abraham was to leave his country and obviously the place of his, as well as his father's, birth, we cannot be surprised to learn that there are towns bearing the names of Serug (Abraham's great-grandfather) Nahor (his grandfather) and Terah (his father) all in the area: "It would seem to have been a Hurrian custom to call a place by what was originally the name of a person, such as Nahor, Serug and Terah. What is remarkable is that all these geographical names are found in the district of Haran — according to the Biblical traditions it is precisely in this region that Abram's family stayed" (Roland DeVaux, The Early History of Israel, 1971).

The cuneiform tablets of Ebla mention a city designated "Ur in the territory of Haran" (BAR, June, 1977). The evidence shows local tradition and place names — but where was "the Chaldees"? Ur is referred to as "Ur of the Chaldees", yet the only mention of Chaldea after this in the Bible is referring to the Chaldean dynasty of Babylon in Nebuchadnezzar's time, which was almost 1,700 years later! I believe the answer can be found in the religion of the people who continued to live in the region of eastern and central Turkey. The first inhabitants of this region were called "Hurrians", and later "Urartuans", from which comes the name "Ararat". Inscriptions show that the Urartuans had at least 79 different gods — and this conglomeration of gods was called "Khaldis" (Chaldees). In the inscription of Argistis near Van, it states: "This is the spoil of the cities which I obtained for the people of the Khaldis in one year. . . To Khaldis, the giver, to the Khaidises, the supreme givers, the children of Khaldis the mighty. . ." Interestingly, these were the people who years later still lived in the region near and around where the ark came to rest. And one thing noted later about the Chaldeans was their great knowledge. There is a great deal of logic in assuming that the people who remained closest to Noah and his immediate family would have had access to the greatest amount of knowledge. With this information, we can now confidently place Abraham as living in Urfa on the Balikh River. Then, when called to leave this "Ur" for Canaan, he and his family members gathered their flocks and belongings and followed the Balikh south, in the direction of Canaan. But, for some reason, about 20 miles down the road, they temporarily stop in Haran, where Terah dies.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl488.htm

and

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb971126.htm#01

about the Dead Sea

The Dead Sea is a part of this rift. So the topography of the real crossing-place is wholly unlike anything in the Gulf of Suez. It used to be said that Sodom and Gomorrah are beneath the Dead Sea, but Jonathan Gray and Ron Wyatt claim convincingly that they have found all five cities.

 

The whole area around the Jordan-Araba rift valley of the Dead Sea is oil-bearing. Geologists inform us that the southern Dead Sea is a burnt-out oil field. As the diagram indicates, an earthquake caused a section of earth's crust to slip along the fault. A drop of just one inch would wreck a large city. The tremendous pressure exerted by the dislodged mass forced the underlying oil and gas up along the fault lines into the atmosphere where they ignited to form a continuous liquid fire. According to Genesis 19:24, "the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire out of heaven". Professor Kyle found "Pure sulfur in pieces as big as the end of my thumb. It is mixed with the rich soil of the mountains on the west side of the Sea and is now to be found scattered along the shore of the Sea to the east side..."

Genesis 19:27-28, "Abraham got up early in the morning to Hebron where he stood before the Lord: And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and all the environs of the Jordan Valley, and beheld, and, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace".

From a map, we can see Abraham was thirty miles from Sodom as the crow flies. No doubt he climbed the highest vantage point, and he saw great black clouds of dense smoke from the burning oil.

Moses, writing 500 years after the destruction of the cities of the plain, tells us that the salt, the brimstone and the burning that took place in this area centuries before his time, had left very apparent evidence, and he was able to draw the attention of the people of his day to these tokens of judgment that could be observed by them whilst passing through that area.

 

Deuteronomy 29:23, "The whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor bears, nor any grass grows therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the Lord overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath".

Writing after the death of Christ, Josephus said, "The country of Sodom . . . was of old a most happy land, both for the fruits it bore and the riches of its cities (from bitumen deposits) although it be now all burnt up.

It is related how for the impiety of its inhabitants (Jude 1:7), it was burnt by lightning; in consequence of which there are still the remainders of that divine fire; and the traces or shadows of the five cities are still to be seen, as well as the ashes. . ."

The ruins of these cities were extant in the days of Moses, Jesus and Josephus. And in 1991 Ron Wyatt discovered what he believed to be the cities of Sodom (behind Mount Sodom), Gomorrah, Zoar, Admah at the northern end of the Dead Sea, and Zeboim north of Jericho.

 

Within the perimeter of each site, everything has been turned to white ash in contrast with the brown stony desert.

Among the ashes at all five sites are countless pieces of brimstone, or sulfur, like bantam chicken eggs. I've actually held a piece in my hand.

There are no active or extinct volcanoes in the Dead Sea area. And nowhere else are balls of brimstone encased in burnt sulfur to be found. In cities such as Pompeii, which were destroyed by volcano, the people and artifacts which have been uncovered were turned to stone.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb971126.htm#01

Because Machiventa warned Abraham and his followers of the on coming destruction of Sodom.

It was shortly after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah that Machiventa decided to end his emergency bestowal on Urantia. Melchizedek's decision to terminate his sojourn in the flesh was influenced by numerous conditions, chief of which was the growing tendency of the surrounding tribes, and even of his immediate associates, to regard him as a demigod, to look upon him as a supernatural being, which indeed he was; but they were beginning to reverence him unduly and with a highly superstitious fear.

and

line 130: It was following this real and public surrender of his personal ambitions in behalf of the larger plans of Melchizedek that the three celestial beings appeared to him on the plains of Mamre. This was an appearance of fact, notwithstanding its association with the subsequently fabricated narratives relating to the natural destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. And these legends of the happenings of those days indicate how retarded were the morals and ethics of even so recent a time

The Ub pointing to Haran and the origins of Abrahams family.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper93.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper93.html&line=107#mfs

Abraham's last act was to send trusty servants to the city of his brother, Nahor, on the border of Mesopotamia, to secure a woman of his own people as a wife for his son Isaac. It had long been the custom of Abraham's people to marry their cousins. And Abraham died confident in that faith in God which he had learned from Melchizedek in the vanished schools of Salem.

And this piece and the reason for why we have wrong doctrine in Christianity.

The national ego of the Jews was tremendously depressed by the Babylonian captivity. In their reaction against national inferiority they swung to the other extreme of national and racial egotism, in which they distorted and perverted their traditions with the view of exalting themselves above all races as the chosen

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people of God; and hence they carefully edited all their records for the purpose of raising Abraham and their other national leaders high up above all other persons, not excepting Melchizedek himself. The Hebrew scribes therefore destroyed every record of these momentous times which they could find, preserving only the narrative of the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek after the battle of Siddim, which they deemed reflected great honor upon Abraham.

And thus, in losing sight of Melchizedek, they also lost sight of the teaching of this emergency Son regarding the spiritual mission of the promised bestowal Son; lost sight of the nature of this mission so fully and completely that very few of their progeny were able or willing to recognize and receive Michael when he appeared on earth and in the flesh as Machiventa had foretold.

But one of the writers of the Book of Hebrews understood the mission of Melchizedek, for it is written: "This Melchizedek, priest of the Most High, was also king of peace; without father, without mother, without pedigree, having neither beginning of days nor end of life but made like a Son of God, he abides a priest continually." This writer designated Melchizedek as a type of the later bestowal of Michael, affirming that Jesus was "a minister forever on the order of Melchizedek." While this comparison was not altogether fortunate, it was literally true that Christ did receive provisional title to Urantia "upon the orders of the twelve Melchizedek receivers" on duty at the time of his world bestowal.

and

Terah and his whole family were halfhearted converts to the Salem religion, which had been preached in Chaldea; they learned of Melchizedek through the preaching of Ovid, a Phoenician teacher who proclaimed the Salem doctrines in Ur. They left Ur intending to go directly through to Salem, but Nahor, Abraham's brother, not having seen Melchizedek, was lukewarm and persuaded them to tarry at Haran. And it was a long time after they arrived in Palestine before they were willing to destroy all of the household gods they had brought with them; they were slow to give up the many gods of Mesopotamia for the one God of Salem.

Sevens

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Do a word search on Abbes

http://www.iranchamber.com/people/articles/armenians_in_iran1.php

European sources of the seventeenth century portray Abbes as a great benefactor of the Armenians, who secured them from the Turks and who made them wealthy in New Julfa, Armenian historians of the time, however, such as Arakel of Tabriz, view Shah `Abbes' deportations and the Turko Iranian conflict in Armenia as a major catastrophe, during which the land and the people suffered terribly, with the resulting depopulation making the Armenians a minority in most of their historic land. `Abbes' policies did indeed have varying short-term effects, in the long term, however, the forced deportations established the basis for the Armenian diaspora in Iran and India, communities which, as we will see, were to play an important role in the Armenian cultural and political revival of the nineteenth century.

 

and

http://www.arir.org/eng/armiranians.htm

The New Julfa merchants formed trading companies, which competed with the Levant, East India, and Muscovy companies, and established businesses in Kabul, Herat, Qandahar, Marseilles, Venice, Genoa, Moscow, and Amsterdam, and in cities of Sweden, Poland, Germany, India, China, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Abbes would spend time in New Julfa at the houses of the most successful merchants, known as kolas. or notables, whom the silk monopoly had made extremely prosperous. Sources describe their fabulous houses, decorated with Oriental and Western artwork, with tables set with gold utensils. The Armenians paid a set fee for each bale of silk and most of their profits remained in Iran. Ottoman profits from overseas trade fell and the Persian Gulf became a center of trade with Western ports. The military decline of the Ottoman Empire encouraged the West to establish new contacts in the East. Western diplomats, visitors, and merchants were dispatched to Iran and most were housed in New Julfa. The Armenian merchants' contacts with the West made them a conduit through which the shah was able to secure diplomatic and commercial alliances against the Ottomans.

 

and this

http://www.christiansofiraq.com/Karbel.html

According to one article on an Islamic web-site  the name of the Iraqi holy city of Krabala may have existed before the 7th century Arab conquest. The Assyrian version of the name seems to be 'Gorbala' which means 'near God' in the Syriac language. This conclusion may be corroborated by the name of a village near it called Ninwa a namesake of the Assyrian Capital city located some 400 miles to the north, near Mosul. The existence of the second Ninwa is attested to by mentions of it's name along with Karbala and two other towns in the original eulogies to Immam al -Hussein.

see: http://www.bayynat.org/www/english/Islamicinsights/karbala.htm

The ruins of a Church near Karbala preceding the Immam Abbes Mosque provides further evidence that the town was inhabited by the Christian Assyrians before it became a Moslem city. The following article From the Egyptian Newspaper al-Ahram provides further proof of this fact.

Other Assyrian churches were also appropriated and turned into the Mosques. The 13th century Ibn-Battuta noted that the Nabi Yunus mosque of Nineveh was once a Christian church before being confiscated by the Arabs. The Arab name for this mosque means Prophet Jonah which is exact translation of the Assyrian "Yonan Nveya". The edifice still stands and according to Wigram it was once the cathedral of the independent patriarch of Nineveh.

The medieval Assyrian writer Bar Saliva acknowledges this fact and states that the person buried in the site is patriarch Hannan Yeshua of the church of the East who was elected to that office during the caliphate of Abd 'ool-Melek ibn Merwan, cir. AD 686. He further adds : "Hannan-Yeshua resided in the convent of the Yonan Nveya, which is situated on the western side of the wall of Nineveh facing the eastern gates of Mosul, and the river Tigris separates the cities."

Badger reported that in the 18th century a coffin was discovered within the precincts of a mosque in Mosul which previously was a church. The coffin contained several Syriac books dating back to mid 13th century. One of the books dedicated to Mar Ignatius, Patriarch of Antioch and lord Mar Yohannan the Catholicos and Maphriano of Tekrit and Nineveh indicated that originally the edifice was known as "the Church of Cross" belonged to a large community of Syrian Jacobites centered in Tekrit.

and this wow!

Beni Abbes is a tourist town: every year takes place 'Day Mouloud' (birth of the prophet Mohammed) Alumni ksours. It is the occasion of the presentation of newborns the past year, and a big parade music with old rifles, in commemoration of peace between the tribes and the foundation of the ksar of the palm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9ni_Abb%C3%A8s

Beni Abbes Is a tourist town in Algeria where the birth of Mohammed is celebrated.  Note an Abbes is involved directly with the celebration of a birth of a prophet in celebration.  Is this place and its name a type reflection of the linage of the actual individual who discovers what is hidden helped by Jesus.  Perhaps its through him that an Abbes with the final message is born and through his message manifests the final construct of change.  Abbes is inherit in his linage and the celebration of the birth of Mohammed appears to be a type, born in the Abbes and name of the tourist name is very close to his actual name.  Replace the B with a D in Beni and you have the name.  And my Mothers name is Ina Abbes, the mother Armina, Ina in English the Mother of the Mahdi in Islam.

Well that's what I reckon, its a complete reflection of self realisation in prophecy.  It really fits in the identification.

Beni Abbes is like a voice in the wilderness in type.

http://au.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?ei=UTF-8&p=Beni+Abbes&y=Search&rd=r1&fr2=tab-web&fr=ytff1-

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Beni%20Abbes&oe=utf-8&rls=FlockInc.:en-US:official&client=firefox&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Sevens

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http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=26198&PN=6

Oh Ok

No worries, so out of Shirvan comes the AntiChrist....OK

and out of Khayrvan the Al Mahdi, so where is Khayrvan?

Ok so the antichrist come out of ShirVan????

that's interesting, I cant see this message being an Antichrist message being so attached to Jesus.   However, its truth and the source of the message would change the face of Christianity in its dogma and doctrine.  This change for Christianity has to come it has to come up to date!

Unless people misperceive this message as an Antichrist thing in there pride and prejudice and unwillingness to look into to the matter and judge???

Also people in opposition to the message claiming Antichrist would have to prove on the same basis as the original proposal put forward in their contention.

All I know truth is truth and if it can be harmonized with all things including science and religion then it must be true and in this case there is a way to prove the thought and that is by going out to the proposed Van location to verify it as true or false! If it was false that would be my correction but if it were true then religion must look into it.

I was thinking anything that proposes change in Christianity would be viewed suspiciously and if the point of examination is not thoroughly examined that would raise questions of Antichrist.  I'm sure of that in the case of the ignorant!  One way to dispel Antichrist thoughts would be to prove the matter.

This would mean that all religions would have to study the Urantia Book to see if it is Antichrist????  Well that's what I'm basing my research on.  Its a good opportunity to see if the book is Antichrist and not for Jesus.  Well I can safely say its not Antichrist but people who don't like the book may say that but they have to prove it in the witness.

Sevens

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Topic: The Kingdom of Paradise!!
The Antichrist in his heart would have to against the message of Jesus in the end days.  The Jesus message today has all to do with exploration discovery, verification and realization.

The message of the Antichrist would have to be about death and destruction whether it be spiritual and would reflect in a physical way.

The only people I would see opposing this message are Christians stuck in their ways and opposing positive change in the review of doctrine and dogma for the Christian church.

With the other religions that's is there business where they can see for themselves.

Christian opposition to a call of a review of all its doctrine and dogma in light of a new revelation written by God and which can be proven would attract calls of Antichrist.  That's for sure! That would be the case.  Why I speak about Christianity is because it claims Jesus as the focal point and therefore needs the greatest refinement in the understanding.

Sevens

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Posted: Today at 22:09

In recent days I have discovered direct connections to prophecy in Islam directly related to this project. I have made two proposals to verify two cities with a view and everything receives all rejection through no response.  The only one person kind enough to respond and help me is Cyrus how prophetical.

Anyway the Lord and the angels now know that all the prophecies of help and all that just failed miserably.  I and the Lord always knew that this message would reach the ultimate rejection the end time path of Jesus with Mahdi.  I'm not sure what people expect but the true Mahdi will be peaceful and will propose good things, he wont arise guns blazing like Arnold full of death and destruction.  The Mahdi is not in nice suits but in sackcloth and he is normal person who has stumbled all his life, he is a stumbler, he cant even write properly but at the same time he loves God and has faith in the words of God or of the Father in Heaven.  The Father teaches the last guy himself through books of religion and through the new Book in perfect harmony where he recognizes commonalities amongst all religions in his focalisation to the beginning and the cities and then he wonders why is there division amongst religions in the midst of all this commonality?  That's the true Mahdi in my view and nothing that would reflect violence!

I cant do not on one thing more to stimulate people as I know it all falls on deaf ears.  Everyone is blinded in my view and so apprehensive and full of fear.  Its all becoming a waste, all this energy but I know Paradise will want the last guy to use all his energy until the last, I think it has arrived.

Because of no response nor collaboration, there is nothing more I can do.  This planet Urantia and all of its people are Just void, all quiet, just nil and void...no response!

There is not one thing that can be done and if this is where it finishes then the winnowing will be harsh, Im sorry to say!

All Mankind except for 2 individuals, the Boys from Eden, didn't even have a go! No other Man nor religion didn't even try! only the Men from Eden, the holders of the Crowns had a go.  Out of all the billions of people there was only 2 to rouse up people on this planet. mmm

We are talking about 1stEden and where are the people in the journey, all abandoned like rats on a sinking ship.  A ship that is let go by all religions of this planet, left to drown in a flood of good information.  Religion lets it go for out of fear and apprehensive and no faith.

I know the Men from Eden are written on that stone tablet in Jerusem and the whole universe knows that the Men of Eden were Successful and victorious in there discovery and no nobody can take that treasure stored up in heaven away.  No worm, no canker! While everyone is desperate to save their temporal material things that just simply pass away through the canker and the worm these eternal treasures are stored in Heaven!

Sure the message will fail but the Lord will vindicate his servants no matter what people say or do.  Everything that Paradise does is purely hinged on there experience of the 2 guys and it was foreseen by all the prophets of all religions in part to make a whole at the end!  But the end message will be a complete disaster and will meet all rejection because it means something greater than man!  The Babel response!  Man will shoe it!

There is an appointed time to Judgment.  I have no idea when it is but it will arrive through the broadcast circuits as in the Justice execution orders of the Last Rebel including his brothers who are already interned awaiting judgment.  The Justice broadcast will be a huge deafening sound where the mountains will vibrate and melt away!  If it were the case then rapture could be the option for the Servants and for those who do the will of the Father in truth, faith and action.  That will be the last only door open!  This Justice sound phenomena could be the effect of the execution of the Last rebel simply!  Those who are in total rejection of the Father and the message will be left to contend with this terrible experience!  Because they exhibited no Faith!

This journey to the beginning could be the last boat leaving port. 

I know the location of the Judgment Seat, it was revealed, proposals where put forward but no response, Identification of the source of this message again was again confirmed last night and I believe matches to Islamic prophecy, in metaphor and in name. I always sensed that when he is revealed through his own discoveries then we are advanced into the time table and close.  Everything seems to match from my experience.  I cant do any more, there would have to be an impression of some sort from Paradise.  No one is going to go out there.

Perhaps the Aryan Invisible Iranian midwayers hero's of the Ages of the Ahura Mazda may have to do something! I don't know what but this, what I'm trying to do, to arouse interest is going no where.

I have spent a few years on many forums in talk, researching, discovering and sharing it,  giving out writing.  All I give out really falls on deaf ears.  I'm broke now heading into a recession.  Oh well ahahahahahah  thats all I can do! Its like the Ned Kelly thing "Such is life" That's the way it goes but it really all comes to a dead halt! because of no interest in the real things of the Kingdom of Paradise and all that can be done has been done considering the circumstances and the cosmic tension one experiences working in opposite worlds.  I don't know how long a human can live that like a John the Baptist in the wilderness kind of thing living in two opposing worlds and trying to bridge them in truth and demonstration.  Everyone is locked on a side!  in who has the right truth.  If the final message is to come to an halt, at least I flew the ensign of the Melchizedek on behalf of all the Heritage of the Ages and all the generations of the past and proudly! and I did that with all of my heart and my soul and with every part of my Seven Senses or being.  Everything I did was dedicated to the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven! and I did that with a sounding conviction in truth and righteousness!

All in alI, I give praise to the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven!

Sevens

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Look like the ancient Atlanteans has the Urantia Book. ahahahahah

'Uraneis', that is "dedicated to the Ur anians" or "of the Uran ians", and engraved with the same petroglyhs, symbol of the city of Atlantis (several concentric circles, with a center channel which connects the circular central island which the outer rings)

Was that 3 rings because Several means other than 3 rings.

I was wondering can you post that fragment of what you say about Diordorus and where he lives and what he says about the Atlanteans?

It seems the Urs in the names could be Aryans or Sumerian's who penetrated Spain in a migration from Mesopotamia or Even 1stSusa when it was destroyed 8000BC or so. The Ur connection in Atlantis could be indicative of a place maker embedded in the past language in the word or name.

Uraneis could mean Anu from Ur perhaps or Uranians. People from Ur

Concentric circles all originate from Sumeria and then outwards. Dont you find it interesting and Ironic Uranians and Urantians or Urantia!! and at the same time we are of speaking about ancient cities of past epochs that originates from a Urantia Book.

The you have an early culture called the Urartu civilization in Turkey which predates Spain.

Maybe the Uranians are the ancient Uk ranians who migrated to Spain many thousands of years ago. Maybe those early relics are the remnant of the Vanites from the Ukranians area.

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Ukrainians (Ukrainian: Українці, Ukrayintsi, [ukrɑˈjinʲʦʲi]) are an East Slavic ethnic group primarily living in Ukraine, or more broadly—citizens of Ukraine (who may or may not be ethnic Ukrainians). Some 200 years ago and.

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and what about this link that seems to emanate from the East about the Uranians

http://grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QuantaHTML/vol_03/chaos_creation_06.htm

THE URANIANS

 

The Hindu history of Super-Uranus can be told now, the Greek history later.

In the beginning, there was Vritra, a covering and restraint upon the Earth, and later on Vritra had as allies the Vritryas, who were demons of heavenly turbulence.

Heaven, who was Varuna, lived with Earth in a common house. Varuna was an enemy of Vritra, his heavenly antagonistic principle.

Varuna and Earth gave birth to Indra. At first Indra could not be seen. He was concealed. He was fed soma until he grew so great that he finally blew heaven and earth apart forever, filling the atmosphere with his brilliant self.

Indra, with thunderbolting Danavas, and the Adityas of Varuna, defeated the Vritryas

sounds like Van! and the Fall of Dalamatia City, the site of the rebellion. Van or Varuna opposes the Lucifer manifesto and the war begins. The City of Vritra in my mind is Dalamatia City per rebellion.

Sevens

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posted 01-26-2009 05:51 PM

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I am that I am

What a laugh ahahahahahah

eh!

“Rubber Duckie” is a bona-fide hit: in August of 19 70 it made the Billboard Top 40 chart for pop/rock and stayed on for 7 weeks, peaking at number 16 ! 1+6= 7 ........ 70,7,7 and in 40

eh! eh! ahahahahah what a laugh!

Well I got flippers walking in them, goggles, about to jump of a pier

Sevens

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posted 01-27-2009 04:18 AM

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Well Sevens I guess all you need do is go to Dalamatia and come back with proof.

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You know brig there was a mention of a figure some posts ago. During that time something was happening simultaneously.

This morning I wrote some cant go further posts and then I went to a friends place where he mentioned something he did around the same time that may of manifest something but its far to early to tell. But I got the hunch then, something was in movement in the heavens and was consistent to get us one step closer to the first city.

Ah see what happens eh! But tomorrow morning I am writing a proposal.

I couldn't think of any thing better than writing updates on the boat as it happens and revealing things as we find it.

Sevens

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posted 01-27-2009 12:53 PM

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"Tethys sea is the location of the Persian Gulf"
-- I see no connection between Tethys and the Persian Gulf.

How is that possible when there is ample evidence documented by other researchers that the Tethys lays around the Iran Mesopotamia area. Just do a search! are they all wrong except for you.

Also Diordorus says there is a walled city which housed the Gods that lays in the Tethys sea. Simple!!!! Now suddenly Diordorus is seen as a threat to there unproven Plato/Atlantis theory. How does anyone know what was in the back of the minds of these historians. How can anyone really speak for these people in what they meant in truth. All links above are only speculation on text without the evidence. Its all crap! of opinions but no evidence!


What I say simply. Lets see if Diordorus was right and go there..... you wussess. ahahahaha

He speaks of a walled city in the Old Tethys which by most scientists thoughts points to the general location of the Persian Gulf. The remnant! The place of crossing! of 2 seas! All these people have there own opinion but thats all it is opinions but no evidence.

I say lets just go there and verify and that will prove the case rather than all this Atlantis waffle! The go no where waffle and all the talk do nothing nationalist Atlantis/Spain propaganda! ahahaha what a laugh!

Now suddenly Diordorus is a threat to the Plato self styled theories because maybe Diordorus can be substantiated...Now Diordorus is a liar. isn't that the height of arrogance of man running from truth trying to save his theory and his BS skin

Lets just simply go out there and see if Diordorus was right rather than all this bullcrap!

All the Atlantis theories other than the truth will come down in flames crashing to an almighty halt! and be like CHAFF! Everything you guys speak of can be explained simply! No mystery there.

How does this reflect an Aquifer

 

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For I go to see
the ends of the bountiful earth, Oceanus
source of the gods and Tethys divine

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It speak of an ocean at the end of the land. What so sub terrain about this??

The Tethys Sea source of the Gods, with a walled city of the Gods.

Infers a submerged City of the Gods in the Tethys Sea.

Simple!

There happens to be 3 locations of walled cites with one directly related to the Gods submerged in the Persian Gulf and you can see the outline of the city already as described in the Urantia Book and which corresponds with Diordorus.

Simple!

Why the sudden opposition compromising Diordorus? Is it because you can see the walled cities for yourself now, as written. This will destroy all the other theories of BS and that's why the attacks on the UB and other things will simply fail.

The normal guy on the street would simply say, that makes sense, thats fair enough! I can see that! No worries but the intellectual Atlantis guy doesn't want that effect. Because he wants to be the Atlantis God doing his own will over man in his crap!


Sevens

 

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posted 01-27-2009 12:53 PM

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"Tethys sea is the location of the Persian Gulf"
-- I see no connection between Tethys and the Persian Gulf.

How is that possible when there is ample evidence documented by other researchers that the Tethys lays around the Iran Mesopotamia area. Just do a search! are they all wrong except for you.

Also Diordorus says there is a walled city which housed the Gods that lays in the Tethys sea. Simple!!!! Now suddenly Diordorus is seen as a threat to there unproven Plato/Atlantis theory. How does anyone know what was in the back of the minds of these historians. How can anyone really speak for these people in what they meant in truth. All links above are only speculation on text without the evidence.  Its all crap! of opinions but no evidence!

What I say simply. Lets see if Diordorus was right and go there..... you wussess. ahahahaha

He speaks of a walled city in the Old Tethys which by most scientists thoughts points to the general location of the Persian Gulf. The remnant! The place of crossing! of 2 seas!

I say lets just go there and verify and that will prove the case rather than all this Atlantis waffle! The go no where waffle and all the talk do nothing nationalist Atlantis/Spain propaganda! ahahaha what a laugh!

Now suddenly Diordorus is a threat to the Plato self styled theories because maybe Diordorus can be substantiated...Now Diordorus is a liar. isn't that the height of arrogance of man running from truth trying to save his theory and his BS skin.

Lets just simply go out there and see if Diordorus was right rather than all this bullcrap!

All the Atlantis theories other than the truth will come down in flames crashing to an almighty halt! and be like CHAFF! Everything you guys speak of can be explained simply! No mystery there.

The normal guy on the street would simply say, that makes sense, there fair enough! but the intellectual Atlantis guy doesn't want that effect. Because he wants to be the Atlantis God doing his own will over man in his crap!

Eh! where is your evidence of anything apart from waffle. Where is your hard data and proof. Where is it man? Show me an image or anything! that I can read about and see for myself!

And whats the problem with this guy?? in his analysis? eh!

 

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The Tethys Sea began to subducted under the Iranian Plate in the Late Cretaceous. Cessation (Wolf, 1959) or slowing of subduction resulted in carbonate sedimentation in Early Cenozoic time (Farhoudi, 1978) as well as the deposition of 400m evaporatic materials in the Miocene. Orogenic movements began in the Middle or upper Miocene when sedimentation became clastic. The opening of the Red Sea intensified folding and uplift, which are still going on.

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http://www.gisdevelopment.net/application/nrm/coastal/mnm/ma056pf.htm

The Tethys Sea is linked to Iran and the Persian Gulf is there. In the Persian Gulf I see 3 locations of 3 walled cities. All locations are written about and described and are exactly where they are supposed to be as written in the UB. It also says script on stone slabs and tablets are to be found there. The Seven commands are written on them in a 24 character script related more to the early Aryan language. I would say similar to the Jiroft language.

There are the clues of what we will find in the beforehand at the walled city in the old Tethys Sea that was built 500,000 years ago and where the tree of life sustained these Sons of God. The Land of the Gods, so called Plato's Atlantis! Right the land of immortality and of the Gods and there family along with the BS they had to go through and no different from the BS we see today!


Sevens

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posted 01-27-2009 02:08 PM

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Georgeous wrote

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Australia might have been earlier

quote:4.1. The beginning of writing and the first alphabets
Click on the pictures to view them in full screen format

While continuous writing conveying a message started in Syria, Sumer or Highland Iran ca. 3500 BC, single symbols, glyphs, marks representing names, places, tracks, gods, etc. are much older. It all possibly started in Australia, ca. 40-50,000 years ago with paintings, rock carvings, chanting and symbols, representing maps, rituals and divination. Apart from Australia, the 4 earliest major river valley civilisations, represent the earliest symbols and writing from 4th millennium BC onwards, as mentioned in the introduction.

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Yes and Dilmun where Babel existed was built 150,000 ago and I'm sure some of the Dilmunites visited Australia in that time and shared culture.

Why not, seems like a nice place to explore with plenty of time to do it. Dilmun submerged in Northern East Persian Gulf also lays under a similar Subduction fault line as that of Dalamatia City.

Actually the Egyptians called Dalamatia through Dilmun. Dilmat or the Maat!

This can apply to the Persian Gulf and it is a place of crossing having a sea to the East and West

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3 This is the account given in their myth: Their first king was Uranus, and he gathered the human beings, who dwelt in scattered habitations, within the shelter of a walled city and caused his subjects to cease from their lawless ways and their bestial manner of living, discovering for them the uses of cultivated fruits, how to store them up, and not a few other things which are of benefit to man; and he also subdued the larger part of the inhabited earth, in particular the regions to the west and the north

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There is also land to the North and West of the Persian Gulf. The above can easily apply to the Persian Heads of the Persian Gulf. No problem at all and the the Persian Gulf as you pass through the heads is a Westerly direction.

"in particular the regions to the west and the north"
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/DilmunHeadwater/dilmunEast3.htm
With a couple of speculative thoughts.
Jiroft is just a little way to the North.

The North and West on the East of the Gulf covers Iran and Mesopotamia and the Western side of the Gulf it covers Aden and North to Kuwait, Saudi and Mesopotamia. However, the main center of civilization was in the Iran and Mesopotamian region. In those days Mesopotamia was larger as the Persian Gulf was smaller.


Sevens

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posted 01-27-2009 02:12 PM

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Anyway there will be only one winner of the Discovery of Atlantis and that happened through the Men of Eden mate! the Blokes from Eden. The Men of Eden are the ones that hold the physical crowns of this planet and are recognized by the Universal Administration in the discovery of the Mystery!

The blokes from Eden are good friends of the Angel of the Gate and we have passed through the gates of Eden, no worries at all mate!  Come right through!

ahahahahahahah

Sevens

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posted 01-27-2009 07:19 PM

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You got nothing Smiley your so way of the mark. No evidence whilst we have the Ub which has the evidence and it is written in the Ub. Your a denier and confused with the Mithra dogma and out of whack with Atlantis, especially considering the Urantia book is written by the Kingdom of Heaven of which you deny and that is on the record to for a so called Mithra dogma follower come Christian.

Here is the Genetic evidence of the upstep of man near Eden, from Stupid man to so called Smart man. Even in your evidence you are missing the vital key or the clue to this upstep in the Genes near 1stEden and the Adamson/Arattian Civilisation in Eurasia.

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Additional Genetic Evidence 12 August 08 discovered, verification.
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http://www.ubthenews.com:80/topics/A_n_E.htm

By no means do these findings constitute definitive proof that a Neanderthal was the source of the original copy of the D allele. However, our evidence shows that it is one of the best candidates.

Bruce T. Lahn

The scientists said they have developed the most robust genetic evidence to date that suggests humans and Neanderthals interbred when they existed together thousands of years ago. The interbreeding hypothesis contrasts with at least one prominent theory that posits that no interbreeding occurred when the two species encountered one another.

Lahn collaborated on the studies with Patrick D. Evans, Nitzan Mekel-Bobrov, Eric J. Vallender and Richard R. Hudson, all of the University of Chicago.

In their studies, Lahn and his colleagues performed a detailed statistical analysis of the DNA sequence structure of the gene microcephalin, which is known to play a role in regulating brain size in humans. Mutations in the human gene cause development of a much smaller brain, a condition called microcephaly.

Earlier studies by Lahn's group yielded evidence that the microcephalin gene has two distinct classes of alleles. One class, called the D alleles, is comprised of a group of alleles with rather similar DNA sequences. The other class is called the non-D alleles. Lahn and colleagues previously showed that all modern copies of the D alleles arose from a single progenitor copy about 37,000 years ago, which then increased in frequency rapidly and are now present in about 70 percent of the world's population. This rapid rise in frequency indicates that the D alleles underwent positive selection in the recent history of humans. This means that these alleles conferred a fitness advantage on those who possessed one of them such that these people had slightly higher reproductive success than people who didn't possess the alleles, said Lahn.

The estimate that all modern copies of the D alleles descended from a single progenitor copy about 37,000 years ago is based on the measurement of sequence difference between different copies of the D alleles. As a copy of a gene is passed from one generation to the next, mutations are introduced at a steady rate, such that a certain number of generations later, the descendent copies of the gene would on average vary from one another in DNA sequence by a certain amount. The greater the number of the generations, the more DNA sequence difference there would be between two descendent copies, said Lahn. The amount of sequence difference between different copies of a gene can therefore be used to estimate the amount of evolutionary time that has elapsed since the two copies descended from their common progenitor.

In the new studies reported in PNAS, the researchers performed detailed sequence comparisons between the D alleles and the non-D alleles of microcephalin. The scientists determined that these two classes of alleles have likely evolved in two separate lineages for about 1.1 million years with the non-D alleles having evolved in the Homo sapiens lineage and the D alleles having evolved in an archaic, and now extinct, Homo lineage. Then, about 37,000 years ago, a copy of the D allele crossed from the archaic Homo lineage into humans, possibly by interbreeding between members of the two populations. This copy subsequently spread in humans from a single copy when it first crossed into humans to an allele that is now present in an estimated 70 percent of the population worldwide today.

The estimate of 1.1 million years that separates the two lineages is based on the amount of sequence difference between the D and the non-D alleles. Although the identity of this archaic Homo lineage is yet to be determined, the researchers argue that a likely candidate is the Neanderthals. The 1.1 million year separation between humans and this archaic Homo species is roughly consistent with previous estimates of the amount of evolutionary time separating the Homo sapiens lineage and the Neanderthal lineage, said Lahn. Furthermore, the time of introgression of the D allele into humans about 37,000 years ago is when humans and Neanderthals coexisted in many parts of the world.

Lahn said the group's data suggest that the interbreeding was unlikely to be a thorough genetic mixing, but rather a rare - and perhaps even a single event that introduced the ancestral D allele previously present in this other Homo species into the human line.

By no means do these findings constitute definitive proof that a Neanderthal was the source of the original copy of the D allele, said Lahn. However, our evidence shows that it is one of the best candidates. The timeline - including the introgression of the allele into humans 37,000 years ago and its origin in a lineage that separated with the human line 1.1 million years ago agrees with the contact between, and the evolutionary history of, Neanderthals and humans.
And a third line of evidence, albeit weaker, is that the D alleles are much more prevalent in Eurasia and lower in sub-Saharan Africa, which is consistent with an origin in the former area. And we know that Neanderthals evolved outside of Africa, said Lahn.

Lahn also said that although the disruption of the microcephalin gene in humans leads to smaller brains, the role of the D alleles in brain evolution remains unknown. The D alleles may not even change brain size; they may only make the brain a bit more efficient if it indeed affects brain function, he said. For example, someone inheriting the D allele may have only a slightly more efficient brain on average. While that enhancement might confer only a subtle evolutionary advantage on that person, when that effect is propagated over a thousand generations of natural selection, the result will be to drive the D alleles to a very high prevalence.
Lahn and his colleagues believe that other genes might well show similar telltale signs of an origin in archaic Homo lineages such as Neanderthals. They are currently using their analytical tool to search for evidence of that origin for other genes in the human genome.

 
Such findings may have broader implications for understanding human evolution than just revealing the possibility of human-Neanderthal interbreeding, he said. In addition to being perhaps the most robust genetic evidence for introgression of genes from archaic Homo species into humans, I think this finding demonstrates that the evolution of our species has been profoundly impacted by gene flow from our relative species, said Lahn.

Finding evidence of mixing is not all that surprising. But our study demonstrates the possibility that interbreeding contributed advantageous variants into the human gene pool that subsequently spread. This implies that the evolution of human biology has been affected by the contribution of advantageous genetic variants from archaic relatives that we have replaced or even killed off, he said.

Until now, said Lahn, the scientific debate over genetic exchange between humans and other Homo species has led to two prominent competing theories. One holds that anatomically modern humans replaced archaic species, with no interbreeding. And the other states that extensive interbreeding did take place and that modern humans evolved from that interbreeding in many regions of the world.

Genetic and fossil evidence for the latter multiregional theory has been inconclusive, said Lahn, so that theory has been largely discredited. However, he said, the newer evidence of gene exchange as well as other genetic evidence that might follow could give rise to a more moderate version holding that some genetic exchange did take place. Furthermore, it will become increasingly appreciated that such genetic exchange might have made our species much more fit.

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http://www.dalamatiacity.com/EdenGates/1stEden.htm

This points to Eden in Eurasian area and the Adamson civilisation in Eurasia...Iran and East/West to Armenia. Lake Van, Ukraine to North Western India to Iran..

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The timeline - including the introgression of the allele into humans 37,000 years ago and its origin in a lineage that separated with the human line 1.1 million years ago agrees with the contact between, and the evolutionary history of, Neanderthals and humans

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I would suggest reviewing everything.

Your like everyone else, if you cant get around the Urantia Book you just deny! and attack the book of which has already revealed the Evidence. Gee especially with 1stEden as written.

Just hopeless and stiff-necked within limited understanding of a closed mind!

Are you sure you have the an allele aspect? ahahahahahahaha

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In addition, the location is not the Persian Gulf. It in no way is the description whatsoever. However, it is possible that it might have been a colony of Atlantis.

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You have not come up with a scrap of evidence Nothing at all, in any place nor in anytime what's so ever....NOTHING! NEVER!!! Nothing but hot air and terrible theories you make fact without the data. All speculation about the Land and cities of the Gods. This is how stupid the no evidence Atlantis Argument is. Its just pathetic of the so called Atlantis intellectuals who haven't found a thing and deny the most obvious thing regarding the land of the Gods. Its so silly I laugh! ahahahahah!

All speculation without a scrap of evidence not even a legible script!


Sevens

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posted 01-28-2009 02:03 AM

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Wasn't Clovis Man American on American soil? I was wondering what was the time date for Clovis man? I think it has no relevance to Atlantis. The early American migrated to the Americas 80,000 years ago. They were only came into the Adamic Gene very recently and even then it was slaughter house committed by the stupid white man and his selfish fork tongue crap!

If white man had brains then and intermixed with the Indians in the proper way without Violence with the focus on the family with harmonization with all the brothers in the country then the USA would be a far better country with more honesty and sincerity in the thoughts and actions.

You can already see an identical description and various reflections of Dalamatia City specifically. Exactly what it was designed to do, teach civilisation but it went in to rebellion the legacy we still from suffer today in more ways than one.

Ground Zero was the Dalamatia City, Persian Gulf and there is land to the West and North and to the East. Dalamatia sunk due to rapid Subsidence and this is proven by a fault that runs next to the city and the fact that there is Gas there proves rapid Subsidence and therefore proves the Urantia Book in its words. After the rapid subsidence came a tidal wave that destroyed the city that's why I believe much is still preserved there or even partially submerged. However, over time, the City emerged from it watery depths but for how long Im not sure. I suppose people then had no idea what it was and Im sure more of Dalamatia and its artifacts where destroyed in that time before it subsided again.

That would be the only problem with the artifacts of Dalamatia City damage from this temporary uplifting or sea level drop.

Sevens

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posted 01-28-2009 12:56 PM

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You just work on the side of ignorance without due diligence.

I believe the Bible to but you have to realize what you experience in your brand of Christianity is one guys format which is the Pauline format and it does contain types and reflections of the Mithraic truth before the Mithra temple in Rome became Christian.

The Pope knows this, the evidence is deep in their vaults. The Mithraic evidence of their original temple would be deep deep deep in the chambers part of the foundations including its etchings but you would never be told that. Paul compromised the message by using these types of Mithra and applying them to Jesus in order to convert the followers of Mithra to Pauline or Western Christianity.

That's where the Dogma and Doctrine you follow originally arose from, from Mithra. I know its terrible news but its the truth and in the end times the truth is brought out and Christians will not like it and the message is rejected. This is why Judgment is severe on the Christian church and that was seen in the Dead Sea scrolls that the Christian rarely studies.

Because the Pauline Church adopted the Mithra and applied them to Jesus there will be errors in the Dogma and Doctrine not relevant to Jesus in truth.

One example the sacrificial lamb. You know in truth Sacrifices where never required at all. In truth the Melchizedek never demanded nor required Abraham a sacrifice.

Sacrifice was never required by God in any form what's so ever but man in his fear and ignorance being primitive felt he should sacrifice something to stay in favor with the Gods so to speak. Out of fear.

The Father does not want man to operate in fear to seek his favor. Never, that was never the case and never should be.

This means the sacrificial lamb notion is not quite right as that emanates from the sacrifice habit bound days from our evolutionary past.

In the real truth Jesus is not a sacrificial lamb and never wanted to be perceived as that. Instead he would rather be our personal brother and friend who operates on the side of love and brotherhood with all man.

The thing is Jesus foresaw all this and had to go through the fulfillment of prophecy and types to satisfy mans barbaric notions of his barbarous ideas on sacrifice but knowing all this sacrifice notion would have to be dealt with in future times when man is evolved more like maybe NOW!

If anything the whole notion of fear laden sacrifice to seek favor from God is an affront to the Father in any intelligence. Its is below his standards.

When man sins he should repent and change his ways or paths. God doesn't require personal damage for his favor, he requires only sincerity and honesty...that's it!! I'm sorry! once only, no sacrifice nor seeing Jesus as a substitute to cast sin aside. Nor seeing the Father as an angry God so that you should sacrifice something to keep him happy.

Instead of Sacrifice it should be forgiveness and that's it. I'm sure he would rather service to one another and finding the truth instead of sacrifice and being seen as a sacrificial lamb.

So Christianity must look at itself and the origins of there Doctrine and Dogma. To know where its spirituality guided by there Dogma comes from.

Its all about personal individual religion having Jesus as a friend and personal guide rather than all this Mithra dogma tainted public display of Sinner and Sacrifice in Jesus name, come to the altar look at me showcase that we see on TV. You know all those guys using the Sin, Sacrifice and the Altar things and the so called miracles used as a tool and weapon in some cases.

All the altar business was never, ever the truth of the Father that was just mans fear and to seek favour from God through a barbaric evolutionary notion.

I believe the Urantia Book because it has led me to greatest discovery in the world and I love the book as its been nothing but a adventure without comparison. But I love the Bible to and it harmonizes well with the UB in many great ways despite some errors in the notions.

Its does have the final construct but it will come from the beginning. Atlantis is not some discovery....look at me thing and petty pictures and one symbol here and there. Its a discovery of the hugest magnitude that will change the world and the Gods will reveal themselves.

If we are desiring to walk the ways of the Gods by finding Atlantis then be prepared to face the truth of Gods in its winnowing. Atlantis and its ultimate path unlocks the hugest can of worms, like touching a hot stove and people and religi0ons will get hurt by the real truth and the UB is part of that revealing of truth. You know!

Really speaking the Urantia Book is a destroyer of untruth or untruth embedded in truth like a stone in the shoe because we can read it and see it Simple! as that! We can go to these places and find the truth being led and guided by the Father himself!

Yet people just walk away! and give it the shoe because it challenges man in his notions and ideas.

The Urantia Book has nothing to do with Edgar Cayce! No connection and relation its a book written by the Kingdom of Heaven directly and we can go to the ancient cities of the tree of life to prove and test the book now! not later.

Oh by the way you forgot the rest of the fragment.

I mean you react to a word, a name without even trying to understand why it is the case, this is how futile it is for Christians to learn anything these days. Real stuck in the mud fear based doctrinal stuff taught to run from words in fear! Run for the hills!
 

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well knew the arts and culture of Jerusem, but such knowledge is nearly valueless on a barbaric planet populated by primitive humans. These wise beings knew better than to undertake the sudden transformation, or the en masse uplifting, of the primitive races of that day. They well understood the slow evolution of the human species, and they wisely refrained from any radical attempts at modifying man's mode of life on earth

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And that's what we see in religion today a very slow slow crawling pace in the evolution from its barbarous dogma to an uplifting truth of a wider and deeper understanding that sounds quite reasonable for the ordinary guy rather than being imposed upon with all this Mithra stuff.

The Christian Slogan has to be updated if we are to fulfill its true function.

At this time, today all forms of Christianity are only a reiteration of the Mithra doctrine in truth going way back to when the St Peters in ROME was a Mithra temple and Paul persuaded the Mithra followers to his brand of truth using Jesus as the fulfillment of the type Mithra. As a consequence Christianity through Paul and Mithra adopted many of the Zoroastrians thoughts or absolutes in its religion. Mithra was a degeneration of the Ahura Mazda thoughts from Zoroastrianism.

Sevens

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posted 01-28-2009 01:40 PM
After Jesus' time there developed 2 churches the Pauline Church of Western Christianity predominately a Mithraic turnover and the Eastern branch run by Abner and taught by Jesus himself.

The Eastern branch never faired very well and was eventually overran by Islam. That's why the commonality of many things in Islam and Christianity. The Eastern branch in it truth was not compromised.

One of the ways to identify the works of the Eastern Christian branch is the omission of the word of Sacrifice.

Here is a link to St Ephraim of Syria 300AD and his Pearl hymns. Not once is mentioned Sacrifice. But then again it still doesn't omit the sacrificial son thought.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/pearl.htm

Actually, its quite prophetical for this time.

Its about this journey to the ancient places and its most likely the up and coming expeditions exploring the God head in the Sea. That's what we are doing!

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3. It answered me and said, "The daughter of the sea am I, the illimitable sea! And from that sea whence I came up it is that there is a mighty treasury of mysteries in my bosom! Search thou out the sea, but search not out the Lord of the sea!

"I have seen the divers who came down after me, when astonied, so that from the midst of the sea they returned to the dry ground; for a few moments they sustained it not. Who would linger and be searching on into the depths of the Godhead?

"The waves of the Son are full of blessings, and with mischiefs too. Have ye not seen, then, the waves of the sea, which if a ship should struggle with them would break her to pieces, and if she yield herself to them, and rebel not against them, then she is preserved? In the sea all the Egyptians were choked, though they scrutinised it not, and, without prying, the Hebrews too were overcome upon the dry land, and how shall ye be kept alive? And the men of Sodom were licked up by the fire, and how shall ye prevail?

"At these uproars the fish in the sea were moved, and Leviathan also. Have ye then a heart of stone that ye read these things and run into these errors?

O great fear that justice also should be so long silent!"

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It seems that an expedition will occur heading for Dalamatia City as a diver can dive there or dive in a light submarine.

Apparently the Divers will be very shocked as to what they find. It must be an overwhelming event.

They are totally surprised and say to themselves what would you expect searching for the Godhead.

It seems as we all know that many people rebel against this message of the God head in the beforehand for not looking into it. We know this now.

 

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rebel not against them, then she is preserved? In the sea all the Egyptians were choked, though they scrutinised it not, and, without prying,

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It seems something physical occurs and the fish are moved, is that like a sudden event? a physical response that initiates the judgment??

Because people ignore this and they consequently run into error!

Have ye then a heart of stone that ye read these things and run into these errors?

Are we seeing in the beforehand what actually occurs.

This Dalamatia City and Eden are hot potatoes! for man and he will be surprised by the looks of it.

Who are the Egyptians today as perceived? Are they the unbelievers and sinners religion points to today? Its seems that men and women despite who they are reject the final and there seems to be a problem Houston!

I don't know but it sounds very close to now and it appears to be linked to an expedition to the Godhead under the Sea.....Dalamatia City!

Sevens

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posted 01-28-2009 10:04 PM

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I reckon Brig this fragment has all reflection of this journey right now!

I dont care what any else thinks they have not come up with the evidence.

I feel this journey this is on target. Its the real Atlantis coming to bere ahaaaahhhhhhh! ahahahahahahahah!

St Ephraim
 

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1. O gift that camest up without price with the diver! Thou laidest hold upon this visible light, that without price rises for the children of men: a parable of the hidden One that without price gives the hidden Dayspring!

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Job 38 Dayspring

Look at it man

O gift that camest up without price with the diver!

and what about that Light without Heat Magnetar eh! what about that. A light related to Paradise mentioned 3 times in the UB and now seen and understood.

Thou laidest hold upon this visible light,

and this

that without price rises for the children of men:

that's right no money, just me writing and working for writing to keep it alive.

that's right to

a parable of the hidden One that without price gives the hidden Dayspring What are speaking of, the crowns of the planet and concerning the Day Spring or the God Head.

Nothing in Christianity compares to this journey and never ever will except for Jesus coming back to judge and its for Christianity to widen itself.

Sevens

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posted 01-28-2009 10:12 P

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I am that I am

That is one interpretation. Just like I see different things in it. I suppose its like I sense something showing me the way when I read these things in a focalisation which is focused on the ancient places, a multi reality, tapping into the realities of the Kingdom of Heaven through books and what we see. and must do, in my view.

But then that is something we can prove right NOW by going out to the Persian Gulf and delivering on what is written and what we see.

Sevens

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Here are fragments of the deleted Magnetar posts Deleting these post in forums could be a real problem as Paradise is trying to voice itself.  Anyway here they are.

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INTEGRAL Observes Magnetar During Outburst



 

MMMM very interesting 200 flashes on the 22 Jan by another Magnetar. Im not sure if it means anything buts very interesting and halo looks very fitting.




and remember the light without heat Magnetar

http://www.sevefoldtruth.com/UniverseCentre8.htm

Sevens

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posted 01-29-2009 05:14 AM Posted: Today at 20:17

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Here is the general location in relation to the "Light without Heat" Magnetar in June 2007

Both Magnetars are in the same area.



Google Space

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/Adamsons/adamsons_civilisation.kmz

Very interesting  I believe Magnetars are used for directionalised broadcasts by Heaven  and they usually flash in a symbolic fashion.  The Light without Heat Magnetars I feel are related to the Non personal Spiritual Luminosity of the administers of the realm.  I found 3 references in the UB related to the Light without Heat Magnetars.  However the Magnetar in Jan 22nd 09 with it 200 flashes Im not sure whether that is Light with Heat.  On thing for sure the light is directional in its broadcast.

If there is symbolic meaning in the flashes and the period of time, I wonder what they are saying to us if there is a message in the flashes???

Its all in the timing ...I'm sure it is.  I'm just so sure this was by design and in accordance to the final message.  Personally I expected this occurrence and I expect it will happen again and in the next time it might come from the same general area and this time it might make a shape/Symbol that we are familiar with in the journey.

I can see that happening where you have communication happening in the broadcast circuits with Heaven responding to the message being delivered.   Now its a waiting thing but meanwhile we or I can get closer to the places, thats alI or we can do.  Dig out the truth more!

Perhaps one way to find out what the 200 flashes might mean is to a search in the books of religion.  There might be reference to 200 that might give us a clue.  This clue could be in any book of the main religions.

200, what does it symbolize?

Like with the light without Heat Magnetar to me numbers corresponded to a piece I found in Burach.

However, I must say judgment never came but that day I was speaking about the New Planetary Government of Mankind extracting from the Jesus lectures in Lake Urmia, Iran.  Well to me that was significant and did provide direction for the future and I was speaking to people directly related to Iran, the good people of all Iran and in the world.  I'm not talking about governments and things just the normal average good person.

http://dalamatiacity.com/UniverseCentre13.htm

Maybe this 200 could be pointing to a matching verse and this could lay in the Zoroastrian books or be hidden in Iranian myths and legends??

My own creativity tells me that next Magnetar if it comes from this location will make a triangle!.... ahahahahah

This could be interesting and absolute fun  working with Paradise through the flashes of Magnetar and it could lead to some fantastic direction and fun in the books connected to the light flash symbol through the broadcast circuits from the Kingdom of Heaven!  This broadcast really picked me up , it encouraged me and I felt support and I was expecting this in my heart.

All those scientist are saying what does it mean....scratching their heads ahahahahah....but I or we know what it means  because we love God and we believe in him like child and he reveals himself in the faith journey of all the ancient places!

At this point, I just praise the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and I thank Jesus my  friend and brother for helping us in the journey and for revealing his beauty to us in struggle of truth.  The commander sends his signal in support of the Love Army of simple truth.

What do you think of that...The LOVE Army...I love it!  ahahahahahah....no violence only love and friendship.  The only weapon the LOVE army has in its arsenal is love and friendship.  Love and friendship is the destroyer of untruth.

I'm looking at Aquila for the next broadcast to make that triangle ahahahahahaha.  Note its shape, triangular with a sphere in the middle!  mmmm!

Sevens

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Posted: Today at 21:23 30th Jan 09
Any way I did a simple search in the Bible of two hundred just to see if there are interesting references. 

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?search=two+hundred&p=1&q=two+hundred&ver=kjv

You have to make up your own mind on this.  But I was drawn to this as I feel we are in the times.
 

Revelation 9:16   (Read all of Revelation 9)

And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Revelation 11:3   (Read all of Revelation 11)

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 12:6   (Read all of Revelation 12)

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

There is also many references in the Old testament but you would have to wade through all that.  I'm sure there are references of 200 in other books.  Maybe there is message in a bottle in there some where.

Gee I'm thinking about the Burach image in this link and I'm thinking about the Horsemen and the Army. The 200,000 army of Angels and the Horsemen and look in the image who the horseman is????  Eh!

 

http://dalamatiacity.com/UniverseCentre13.htm

And now look at this verse and how it relates and connects to this verse in Revelation.
 

Revelation 9:16   (Read all of Revelation 9)

And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Interesting, to say the least!

The Army has a number eh!  Whilst it can be 200,000,000 the number could also suggest the Army of the 40 Angels as in Burach drawing the cart with Jesus who judges the age on this planet. 

Perhaps this army is on the way literally!  200,000,000 is a big Army, an army of judgment by the looks of it.

The broadcasts would synchronize and connect to, in their flashes over time with what has been drawn and written in the journey.  So we connect and know where we are??  possibly....just trying to understand it! in how it works.  These images could be important.

Maybe something here to???

2 Chronicles 7:5   (Read all of 2 Chronicles 7)

And king Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty and two thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep: so the king and all the people dedicated the house of God.

Magnetar Jan 22nd 200 flashes and connected to the house of God in Local System Headquarters where everything is administered and there is an individual involved in making the connection.  It could be a type or reflection to now.

Sevens

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Posted: Today at 22:38 30th Jan 09
Now here is an interesting story that could have direct metaphor connection to this journey.

What led to me to this story was through this verse in the search
 

Acts 27:37   (Read all of Acts 27)

And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Acts+27&ver=kjv

Paul Sails for Rome

27And when it was determined that we should sail into Italy, they delivered Paul and certain other prisoners unto one named Julius, a centurion of Augustus' band. 2 And entering into a ship of Adramyttium, we launched, meaning to sail by the coasts of Asia; one Aristarchus, a Macedonian of Thessalonica, being with us. 3 And the next day we touched at Sidon. And Julius courteously entreated Paul, and gave him liberty to go unto his friends to refresh himself. 4 And when we had launched from thence, we sailed under Cyprus, because the winds were contrary. 5 And when we had sailed over the sea of Cilicia and Pamphylia, we came to Myra, a city of Lycia. 6 And there the centurion found a ship of Alexandria sailing into Italy; and he put us therein. 7 And when we had sailed slowly many days, and scarce were come over against Cnidus, the wind not suffering us, we sailed under Crete, [1] over against Salmone; 8 And, hardly passing it, came unto a place which is called The fair havens; nigh whereunto was the city of Lasea. 9 Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast [2] was now already past, Paul admonished them, 10 And said unto them, Sirs, I perceive that this voyage will be with hurt [3] and much damage, not only of the lading and ship, but also of our lives. 11 Nevertheless the centurion believed the master and the owner of the ship, more than those things which were spoken by Paul.

12 And because the haven was not commodious to winter in, the more part advised to depart thence also, if by any means they might attain to Phenice, and there to winter; which is an haven of Crete, and lieth toward the south west and north west. 13 And when the south wind blew softly, supposing that they had obtained their purpose, loosing thence, they sailed close by Crete. 14 But not long after there arose [4] against it a tempestuous wind, called Euroclydon.
 

15 And when the ship was caught, and could not bear up into the wind, we let her drive. 16 And running under a certain island which is called Clauda, we had much work to come by the boat: 17 Which when they had taken up, they used helps, undergirding the ship; and, fearing lest they should fall into the quicksands, strake sail, and so were driven. 18 And we being exceedingly tossed with a tempest, the next day they lightened the ship; 19 And the third day we cast out with our own hands the tackling of the ship. 20 And when neither sun nor stars in many days appeared, and no small tempest lay on us, all hope that we should be saved was then taken away.

21 But after long abstinence Paul stood forth in the midst of them, and said, Sirs, ye should have hearkened unto me, and not have loosed from Crete, and to have gained this harm and loss. 22 And now I exhort you to be of good cheer: for there shall be no loss of any man's life among you, but of the ship. 23 For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
 

(The Angel of the Lord....A secondary midwayer..Yes an invisible Hero of the Ages directly related to Iranian Ancient Culture, this midwayer!  Whose original home we are discovering today! Progeny of the Arattian Kingdom Near ShirVan)
 

24 Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Caesar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee. 25 Wherefore, sirs, be of good cheer: for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me. 26 Howbeit we must be cast upon a certain island. 27 But when the fourteenth night was come, as we were driven up and down in Adria, about midnight the shipmen deemed that they drew near to some country; 28 And sounded, and found it twenty fathoms: and when they had gone a little further, they sounded again, and found it fifteen fathoms. 29 Then fearing lest we should have fallen upon rocks, they cast four anchors out of the stern, and wished for the day. 30 And as the shipmen were about to flee out of the ship, when they had let down the boat into the sea, under colour as though they would have cast anchors out of the foreship, 31 Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved. 32 Then the soldiers cut off the ropes of the boat, and let her fall off. 33 And while the day was coming on, Paul besought them all to take meat, saying, This day is the fourteenth day that ye have tarried and continued fasting, having taken nothing. 34 Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you. 35 And when he had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all: and when he had broken it, he began to eat. 36 Then were they all of good cheer, and they also took some meat. 37 And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls. 38 And when they had eaten enough, they lightened the ship, and cast out the wheat into the sea. 39 And when it was day, they knew not the land: but they discovered a certain creek with a shore, into the which they were minded, if it were possible, to thrust in the ship. 40 And when they had taken up the anchors, they committed themselves unto the sea, and loosed the rudder bands, and hoised up the mainsail to the wind, and made toward shore. 41 And falling into a place where two seas met, they ran the ship aground; and the forepart stuck fast, and remained unmoveable, but the hinder part was broken with the violence of the waves. 42 And the soldiers' counsel was to kill the prisoners, lest any of them should swim out, and escape. 43 But the centurion, willing to save Paul, kept them from their purpose; and commanded that they which could swim should cast themselves first into the sea, and get to land: 44 And the rest, some on boards, and some on broken pieces of the ship. And so it came to pass, that they escaped all safe to land.

To me that had metaphor to this journey

Bring guided to a place of safety in light of a storm...Guided

Listen to the word of God in guidance....Guidance by the secondary invisible Iranian/Persian, Hero of Ages Midwayer.  Connected to Ahura Mazda  Eh!  right on!  In other words the Ahura Mazda helped Paul and therefore Western Pauline Christianity.  But then it comes around to all the brothers of all religion between and God, walking with God personally individually in friendship with God and on an exciting journey.

The 14th mentioned twice is a very important in symbol...symbol of the future...the number..14, 2 Sevens, Sevens, could be a Birthday as seen.  Types and reflections to this journey!

Discovery of creek for water in unknown land....provision, sustenance.

Everyone was saved...saved

The centurion could be a metaphor of the nations today and all were saved because the Centurion placed faith in the words of the Angel ultimately through Paul.

The End time is not for just for Christianity like they think but for all man of all religion, nonexclusive, open to all, its for everyone's benefit to enhance and expand on what we already have.

How intergalactic interplanetary is this!!!

Sevens

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Posted: Today at 23:30 30th Jan 09
I am awaiting the next Magnetar broadcast from the Kingdom of Heaven and I have said this very same thing before.  If that happened especially in Aquila that would be an absolute confirmation!!!!  Then we know we are in business and then its time to activate in the real sense and go out on an expedition to Dalamatia City! and verify the ruins near Shirvan and then go to Eden again for completion.

Just awaiting the signal from Paradise! to confirm the symbol.

You know at the end of the day, I just Praise God, the Father of all things in his beautiful bounty and all his blessings!

And now we are really looking into the heavens or in the skies, awaiting for the Magnetar signal or sign of confirmation!

Another image with speculation



With links
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/magnetarJan3.htm

actually this is so good here is the search.

Look where this Magnetar led us to??

 

PAPER 57 - THE ORIGIN OF URANTIA,
 

• line 187: Then began the administrative recognition of the small and insignificant sphere which was destined to be the planet whereon Michael would subsequently engage in the stupendous undertaking of mortal bestowal, would participate in those experiences which have since caused Urantia to become locally known as the "world of the cross."
  
  and look at this regarding Adjudication and a new dispensation!!
   

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PAPER 20 - THE PARADISE SONS OF GOD,
 

• line 121: When the bestowal Sons, Creator or Magisterial, enter the portals of death, they reappear on the third day. But you should not entertain the idea that they always meet with the tragic end encountered by the Creator Son who sojourned on your world nineteen hundred years ago. The extraordinary and unusually cruel experience through which Jesus of Nazareth passed has caused Urantia to become locally known as "the world of the cross." It is not necessary that such inhuman treatment be accorded a Son of God, and the vast majority of planets have afforded them a more considerate reception, allowing them to finish their mortal careers, terminate the age, adjudicate the sleeping survivors, and inaugurate a new dispensation, without imposing a violent death. A bestowal Son must encounter death, must pass through the whole of the actual experience of mortals of the realms, but it is not a requirement of the divine plan that this death be either violent or unusual.

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PAPER 188 - THE TIME OF THE TOMB,
 

• line 86 effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though wrath :           Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort ofthe Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease theof God and to open the way for sinful man to obtain salvation; notwithstanding that these ideas of atonement and propitiation are erroneous, nonetheless, there are significances attached to this death of Jesus on the cross which should not be overlooked. It is a fact that Urantia has become known among other neighboring inhabited planets as the "World of the Cross."

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PAPER 119 - THE BESTOWALS OF CHRIST MICHAEL,
 

• line 155 ten million inhabited worlds, ascending spirits, a morontia progressor, a Son mortal flesh, and : Urantia is the sentimental shrine of all Nebadon, the chief ofthe mortal home of Christ Michael, sovereign of all Nebadon, a Melchizedek minister to the realms, a system savior, an Adamic redeemer, a seraphic fellow, an associate ofof Man in the likeness ofthe Planetary Prince of Urantia. And your record tells the truth when it says that this same Jesus has promised some time to return to the world of his terminal bestowal, the World of the Cross.

That is HUGE and look at the symbol the central intersect made  WOW!  The symbol of the cross, to the World of the Cross  Surely that is a sign!!

Ok so This Magnetar appeared on the 22nd Jan 09 less 40 days,  you have Dec 14th 08.

Its 14th,  2 Sevens, Sevens  interesting! and a birthday to!  Remember 14th day and night is mentioned twice by Paul!

By the way I play these worship songs because its from where I come from, part of my heritage, that's all I know.  However with some of the thoughts in the lyrics I have different thoughts in the doctrine but never the less the music gives me comfort and great happiness.
persian_gulf/index.htm/kPlaylist/ChristianPlaylist.m3u

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/flashPic/flashPic.html

327.2370 -00.1316
ad up the numbers

11.10.11

Only if your interested here are the deleted posts on this Magnetar to the other divided brothers. Oh well its like a circus.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues30.htm#posts

Sevens

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