Tablet 14

posted 10-31-2007 02:47 AM

Here is some sea level calculation

From my Measurements using NASA worldwind software bathymetric facility. However note: these depths could vary in reality which affects the timeline a destruction.

Dalamatia is around 70 metres deep, Babel/Dilmun is about 67 metres deep and 1st Susa is around 20 metres.

According to the above graph anytime before 11,000 years ago Dalamatia would of been exposed to the elements. With the Sea line at its shores and rising.

At around 20,000 years ago the ruins of Dalamatia City would of been approximately 50 metres above the current sea level. That's around 150ft above the sea level but rising due to the ending of the ice age.

Babel/Dilmun was destroyed at around 11,000 years ago and the last Nodite City to be destroyed, 1st Susa 7-8000 years ago, the remnant Nodite/Andite from the days of Dalamatia living between the rivers. At around 5000BC Ur was on the Persian Gulf, the Persian Gulf was further to the North near the river mouths. However the sea level rise seems from those days seems to be negligent to the present day.

quote:

However. It was during the flood times that Susa so greatly prospered. The first and lower city was inundated so that the second or higher town succeeded the lower as the headquarters for the peculiar artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution of these floods, Ur became the center of the pottery industry. About seven thousand years ago Ur was on the Persian Gulf , the river deposits having since built up the land to its present limits. These settlements suffered less from the floods because of better controlling works and the widening mouths of the rivers..

Sevens

[ 10-31-2007, 02:51 AM: Message edited by: sevens ] Looking further

http://www.noc.soton.ac.uk/JRD/PROC/people/das/redsea.php

I found this last night.

It appears that in the last 500,000 years there has been a number of Ice ages.  In relation to where I think the current location of Dalamatia is in Southern Persian Gulf.  It would appear that it would of been engulfed a number of times which in other words the operation of Dalamatia would of been disrupted many times due rising sea levels at varies points.  In my mind I would find that as an inconsistency to the location and its operation throughout the ages before the fall which occurred 200,000 years ago.

I was a little perturbed so then I thought about the clue in the Urantia Book regarding the Submergence of Dalamatia which lead me to think about the general submergence of the Persian Gulf Basin over the ages.

I was thinking that perhaps Mesopotamia in ages past was Perhaps at the same level it is today and perhaps over the ages the Persian Gulf gradually has been in submergence.  Perhaps it was more elevated and that from 150,000 years ago it was in submergence and has continued since.

In following this thread I found this link.

After reading this I started to get more of a picture of what the landscape would of looked like.  A really nice Paradise full of Lakes swamps and freshwater rivers running into a large freshwater Lake to the south where Dalamatia was situated between the outflows of the rivers into the sea/lake which the lake out flowed into the sea through rivers between headwaters of Persian Gulf Hommuz.

At the Straits of Hormuz the bathymetric profile indicates a division into two main channels which continue across the Bieban Shelf before dropping to a depth of c 400 m in the Gulf of Oman; the deeper parts of these channels may be due to delta deposits at the edge of the deep ocean collapsing in a succession of big underwater landslides, causing underwater erosion by the resulting turbidity currents.

Could that mean that the sea levels were from 120 meters to the present at any one time since 500,000 years ago.

Could the Persian Gulf Basin Area in the original form over the past ages to 500,000 be higher than the present sea levels?? not to mention the general elevation of the large valley on a small plateau where the rivers emptied in the Basin a little sea within the large valley and then through the through the rivers the water went out into channels and eventually into the Sea of Oman.  The clue is Dalamatia going down due to major submergence I feel this is the clue to the mystery of Dalamatia and its location and ability to operate throughout all the ages.  I feel the general location of Dalamatia was at a higher elevation where it was not hindered by the fluctuations of the rising sea levels in the past ice ages post 500,000 years ago.  The whole basin and Mesopotamia in General was at a higher elevation as noticed in the 2 channels leading out of Hormuz and ran parallel along the shelf exposed above sea level in different directions before it out flowing into the sea of Oman dropping 400m.

However, The whole Dalamatia area submerged over time beginning 200,000 years ago and has continued to do so.  Like a whole valley on a small plateau that sank.

Perhaps this is where the very first Dilmun began near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf, near the vicinity of the Dalamatia bit close to the headwaters of the Persian Gulf.  Perhaps through subsidence of the general area the first Dilmun built near the headwaters was destroyed perhaps by rising sea levels where they migrated and built a new Dilmun in the North Eastern Persian Gulf.  At about  50,000 years after the death of Nod (150,000 years ago) they built there new Dilmun with the first Babel.  Perhaps the sea as we know it had already engulf the Persian Gulf and subsidence was occurring more rapidly.

Because 50,000 thousand years ago they built there new Dilmun which I believe in the North Eastern Persian Gulf.  Away from the sea remembering Dalamatia.

anyway that's where I'm at

As the southernmost and lowest point in the Near East, precipitation falling over the Taurus, Zagros, and Hajor mountains funnels into the Gulf basin catchment system. Given this uniquely favourable climate at the most unfavourable of times, in conjunction with genetic analyses that indicate modern human expansion began from loci in Southwest Asia (e.g. haplogroups M, N and R), there is reason to believe that this submerged floodplain —referred to as “Edin” by the Sumerians—was the nexus of “humanity” (sensu stricto).

The Gulf basin may have been one of the world’s primary human refugia during the last glacial maximum 18,000 years ago. Any groups remaining within this resource-rich zone were gradually dispersed by slowly rising sea levels in the Early Holocene, culminating with the inundation of the floodplain that abuts the Great Pearl Bank Barrier some 6,000 years ago.

In a 1981 Journal of Cuneiform Studies article, "The Tangible Evidence for the Earliest Dilmun", Theresa Howard-Carter espoused her theory identifying Dilmun with Qurna, an island at the Strait of Hormuz. Her scenario put the original mouths of the Tigris-Euphrates rivers, which she thought should be the site of the primeval Dilmun, at or even beyond the Straits of Hormuz. Mainstream archaeologists have avoided mentioning her article for fear of its apparent catastrophism, an awkward subject in geology.[5] Theresa Howard-Carter also wrote: "It is more likely that the original Gulf inhabitants lived along the banks of the lower or extended Shatt al-Arab, ranging some 800 km across the dry Gulf bed. We can thus postulate that the pre-Sumerian cultures had more than ample time to be born and flourish in a riverine setting, encouraged by the agricultural potential and the blessings of a temperate climate. The fact that the body of proof for the existence of these societies must now lie at the bottom of the Gulf furnishes at least a temporary excuse for the archaeologist's failure to produce evidence for their material culture.

Here is diagram

continuing.  There seems to a reference to 2 Dilmuns in the following Urantia Book reference.

line 69: After the submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved north and east, presently founding the new city of Dilmun as their racial and cultural headquarters. (Is this the 1st Dilmun straight after the destruction of Dalamatia? built close to the headwaters of the Persian Gulf.)

And about fifty thousand years after the death of Nod, when the offspring of the Prince's staff had become too numerous to find subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding their new city of Dilmun.... (Is this reference to Dilmun another actual new city built 50,000 after the Destruction of Dalamatia, a second Dilmun built after the construction and destruction of the 1stDilmun built after the demise of Dalamatia?)

and after they had reached out to intermarry with the Andonite and Sangik tribes adjoining their borders, it occurred to their leaders that something should be done to preserve their racial unity. Accordingly a council of the tribes was called, and after much deliberation the plan of Bablot, a descendant of Nod, was indorsed.

Bablot proposed to erect a pretentious temple of racial glorification at the center of their then occupied territory. ("their then" occupied territory. seems to infer another new Dilmun different from the original, a second Dilmun. A new city.  I feel the Nodites occupied the whole Mesopotamia Persian Basin, it was there territory.)

This temple was to have a tower the like of which the world had never seen. It was to be a monumental memorial to their passing greatness. There were many who wished to have this monument erected in Dilmun, but others contended that such a great structure should be placed a safe distance from the dangers of the sea, remembering the traditions of the engulfment of their first capital, Dalamatia.

Does this infer there where 2 Dilmuns built.  The first Dilmun built by the eastern group of Nodite who evacuated close to the headwaters of the Persian Gulf which is to the east of Dalamatia on land close to the sea but in a safe place or even near the actual headwaters of Hormuz.  But due to continued subsidence of the general area 50,000 years ago after the demise of Dalamatia, and due to rising sea levels the first Dilmun near the headwaters, the Dilmun of the east had to be evacuated only to rebuild another new city of Dilmun built away from the Sea in the North Eastern Persian Gulf in territory they occupied and in the center of it, they built a new city.  In there then occupied territory which infers away from the original home.  Did the Nodites evacuate the 1stDilmun near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf to build a new city away from the sea but close to the rivers and attempted to erect Babel in there New City of Dilmun.  This may explain the circular anomalies of this location in the North East Persian Gulf.  Or maybe there were 2 cities built simultaneously and because Dilmun of the East was too small for the population they eventually amalgamated with the Eastern Nodites to build a tower.

Also note that the two channels of of river water that went of Hormuz and parallel to the coast created a isthmus with the river separating land from the coast line. It quite possible that the 1st Dilmun if it was built outside the headwaters could of been built on this isthmus with the river on one side and the sea on other side of the isthmus  Here is diagram

Upon further reflection, if there where two channel's of water coming out of the Persian Gulf that separate in opposite directions outside the heads then both channels would meander along the coast for some distance and eventually meet the sea.  That would mean that that a spit of land going east to west outside the Persian Gulf would exist.  It would circulated by the Sea on one side and rivers in both directions on the other side with the entry of the Gulf in the middle, a place of crossing.  It would be virtually be a four way/river crossing where all the rivers meet with an island going East to West outside the heads of the Persian Gulf separated by sea and Rivers.

At various times in the past trade would of been possible through rivers to the sea to other neighboring commercial centers particularly at low sea levels ages.

Perhaps the Nodite who went to the North eventually settled in Elam area or perhaps the North Eastern Persian Gulf and founded a sister city Dilmun built in the same time in parallel but indicative of the Northern Branch hard to know without further evidence.  Perhaps when the 1st Dilmun near Hormuz built by the central group went down the Central group rallied with the Northern group and proposed the erection of Babel in there new City Dilmun a sister city built by the Northern group.  All conjecture without physical and academic studies.

continuing

The Urantia Book 200,000 years ago, during the advance of the last glacier, there occurred an episode which had much to do with the march of events on Urantia--the Lucifer rebellion.

The Urantia Book 150,000 years ago the sixth and last glacier reached its farthest points of southern extension, the western ice sheet crossing just over the Canadian border; the central coming down into Kansas, Missouri, and Illinois; the eastern sheet advancing south and covering the greater portion of Pennsylvania and Ohio.

As you can see in the following graph 200,000 years ago the sea levels 20 meters lower than they are now.  I also maintain that the general Mesopotamian/Persian Basin was more elevated than today as in the above wikipedia excerpt.  Therefore the fluctuation of the sea levels those times wouldn't affected Dalamatia in those days.  However  "200,000 years ago, during the advance of the last glacier," it appears the sixth ice age is approaching.  The quote seems to be consistent to the following graph. It was apparently around this time that Dalamatia suffered submergence, I believe Dalamatia was high enough above the sea at least 80 meters above of its present level, It would have to be that height to operate and to survive throughout each ice age.  Soon after the demise of Dalamatia the sixth ice age began to advance and therefore a drop in the sea levels is evident and as you can see in the following graph. The Mesopotamian/Persian basin was high and dry with a large freshwater sea to the south with the submerged ruins of Dalamatia located within.  The freshwater sea to the south had rivers flowing out of Straights of Hormuz along two channels in parallel to the coast and then eventually into the sea of Oman.  It would of been a spectacular site.  The whole area would have to be at least above highest sea level recording of the ages.  Dalamatia was perhaps built beside an inland lake/sea that out flowed through the straights of Hormuz.  The Lake perhaps had a stable depth throughout the ages and not affected by the sea only except the weather.  However when submergence and consequently rapid subsidence things began to change for the whole area.

Eventually the area subsided low enough for the actual sea to encroach the area during high seal level eras.

Note how 200,000 years ago the demise of Dalamatia occurred at a high sea level era, it could also be possible that the actual sea was at the footsteps of Dalamatia.  The Sea level regressed the remains of Dalamatia was exposed. on to be covered up 125,000 years ago during a real high sea level period and perhaps the same again in the sudden increase of sea levels in the last 20,000 years.

Diagram

http://www.noc.soton.ac.uk/JRD/PROC/people/das/redsea.php

I can see that as we approach 150,000 years there is a dramatic decline in the sea levels which is consistent to the advance of the last Glacier.  This is also consistent with the Urantia excerpt.

The Urantia Book "150,000 years ago the sixth and last glacier reached its farthest points of southern extension, the western ice sheet crossing just over the Canadian border; the central coming down into Kansas, Missouri, and Illinois; the eastern sheet advancing south and covering the greater portion of Pennsylvania and Ohio."

It was just less than 150,000 years ago when the last glacier retreated and which seems consistent with the following graph.

Then at around 150,000 years there seems to be a warming.

diagram

At around 125,000 years there appears to be a great increase in sea level rise to our current levels which could mean the warming of the ice fields where the sea levels are close to our current level, it could be possible that the whole Dalamatia/Persian basin was higher still above the sea levels than we have today.

As we go into the time line from 125,000 years to 20,000 years there appears to be a steady decrease in the sea levels with some fluctuations and then with the last warming of the ice field there is a dramatic increase of the sea levels to our current age.  In all this time from 200,000 years the whole Persian Basin has probably been in gradual subsidence to our days as given in the clue of the submergence of the city in the first instance.    Apparently, at one point the ruins emerged only to be submerged again and perhaps a few times.  Thinking about it further during this time with decreased sea levels 125,000 years to 20,000 years with reduced moisture, the lake in the Dalamatia/Persian Gulf begins to evaporate thereby exposing the ruins of Dalamatia to the variables this could be another possibility.

In the next cycle at around 20,000 to the present there seems to be another great warming and increase of the sea levels which completely inundates and fills the Persian gulf as the whole Mesopotamia/Persian/Dalamatia has subsided sufficiently to let the sea waters in for the first time....maybe!

Here is an excerpt that seems to suggest that the Persian Gulf Basin as been in constant submergence.

Earlier investigations have shown that most sedimentary basins on continental crust were formed without significant extension.^These basins are of two main types.^Cratonic sedimentary basins, 3 to 15 km deep, form as a result of slow compensated subsidence at a rate of 10 to 100 m/m.y. over a long period of time (300-1000 m.y.).^Miogeosynclines usually form by rapid uncompensated subsidence at a rate of 0.2-1 km/m.y., in a short period of time (1-10 m.y.).^In this paper, the authors examine the evolution and distribution of hydrocarbon deposits in the oil and gas basins of the Persian Gulf, which contain more than 60% of the oil and 40% of the gas reserves of non-Soviet countries.^They conclude that the oil and gas basins of the Persian Gulf were formed by repeated rapid subsidence without crustal extension.^The rapidity of the subsidence was responsible for high heat flow, intensive local tectonics, and the deposition of suitable source beds, reservoir rocks and caprocks, factors that are responsible for the immense oil and gas resources.^44 references, 2 figures.

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5463594

The above reports only proves the Urantia account that there has been general subsidence of the Persian Gulf particularly in the South as there are large Gas and Oil fields all around the area that where created because of this.  Subsidence is mentioned in the Urantia Book regarding the demise of the City of Dalamatia 200,000 years ago when it all began.  I would say that Dalamatia City in those days was above the height of the current sea levels of today.

another excerpt which I believe confirms the 2 Dilmuns as separate cities.

line 79: 3. The smallest and minority contingent held that the erection of the tower presented an opportunity for making atonement for the folly of their progenitors in participating in the Caligastia rebellion. They maintained that the tower should be devoted to the worship of the Father of all, that the whole purpose of the new city should be to take the place of Dalamatia--to function as the cultural and religious center for the surrounding barbarians.

line 96: The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun. The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun, the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museum.

continuing

3. The smallest and minority contingent held that the erection of the tower presented an opportunity for making atonement for the folly of their progenitors in participating in the Caligastia rebellion. They maintained that the tower should be devoted to the worship of the Father of all, that the whole purpose of the new city should be to take the place of Dalamatia--to function as the cultural and religious center for the surrounding barbarians.

The religious group were promptly voted down. The majority rejected the teaching that their ancestors had been guilty of rebellion; they resented such a racial stigma. Having disposed of one of the three angles to the dispute and failing to settle the other two by debate, they fell to fighting. The religionists, the noncombatants, fled to their homes in the south, while their fellows fought until well-nigh obliterated.

About twelve thousand years ago a second attempt to erect the tower of Babel was made. The mixed races of the Andites (Nodites and Adamites) undertook to raise a new temple on the ruins of the first structure, but there was not sufficient support for the enterprise; it fell of its own pretentious weight. This region was long known as the land of Babel.

and about the fall and where they went.

The sixty members of the planetary staff who went into rebellion chose Nod as their leader. They worked wholeheartedly for the rebel Prince but soon discovered that they were deprived of the sustenance of the system life circuits. They awakened to the fact that they had been degraded to the status of mortal beings. They were indeed superhuman but, at the same time, material and mortal. In an effort to increase their numbers, Daligastia ordered immediate resort to sexual reproduction, knowing full well that the original sixty and their forty-four modified Andonite associates were doomed to suffer extinction by death, sooner or later. After the fall of Dalamatia the disloyal staff migrated to the north and the east. Their descendants were long known as the Nodites, and their dwelling place as "the land of Nod."

And remember this

At the Straits of Hormuz the bathymetric profile indicates a division into two main channels which continue across the Bieban Shelf before dropping to a depth of c 400 m in the Gulf of Oman; the deeper parts of these channels may be due to delta deposits at the edge of the deep ocean collapsing in a succession of big underwater landslides, causing underwater erosion by the resulting turbidity currents.

and going back to this reference implies 2 cities separate cities, the Dilmuns.

line 69: After the submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved north and east, presently founding the new city of Dilmun as their racial and cultural headquarters. (Is this the 1st Dilmun straight after the destruction of Dalamatia? built close to the headwaters of the Persian Gulf.)

And about fifty thousand years after the death of Nod, when the offspring of the Prince's staff had become too numerous to find subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding their new city of Dilmun. (And is this reference to Dilmun another actual new city built 50,000 after the Destruction of Dalamatia, a second Dilmun built after the construction and destruction of the 1stDilmun built after the demise of Dalamatia?)

Could this be the location of Dilmun built by the central group of Nodites, this island here. near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf.

Dilmun to the East images

Also note that the

"Shortly after the destruction of Dalamatia the followers of Nod became divided into three major groups. The central group remained in the immediate vicinity of their original home near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. The eastern group migrated to the highland regions of Elam just east of the Euphrates valley. The western group was situated on the northeastern Syrian shores of the Mediterranean and in adjacent territory.

and now look where Babel and Dilmun is the other Northern Nodite City is "Right in the Middle of Elam"

Here is an image of Babel

Actually Im thinking that what I think is Tipura/Dilmun could be the lower city of Susa when the Persian Gulf was lower by around 20 meters.

Ahh so this could be the clue to Tipura/Dilmun where in actual fact it could be all to do with "First and Lower Susa" I wonder if Susa means Sarah?

However. It was during the flood times that Susa so greatly prospered. The first and lower city was inundated so that the second or higher town succeeded the lower as the headquarters for the peculiar artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution of these floods,

I'm thinking is this Susa, The Lower and first City?

More lower and first Susa.

Here is another map of Elam

I just cant believe it! Is this site lower Susa.  The first Susa...could be maybe!!
One thing for sure Dilmun/Babel is the Northern Dilmun found of the waters.  Where Nod went to.  The Lands of Bablot or Babel. in the city of Northern Nodites of Dilmun

Remember that Babel in Dilmun was built in the center of there then territory according to the UB.
"Bablot proposed to erect a pretentious temple of racial glorification at the center of their then occupied territory."

That appears to be perfect match to the location of Dilmun/Babel in accordance to the above image.

Right in the middle of the territory of the Northern Nodites in the hills of Elam.
"The eastern group migrated to the highland regions of Elam just east of the Euphrates valley."

Diagram of the general area
Note the 2 channels of water coming out of Hormuz in parallel to the coastline in separate directions.  Its quite possible that the 1stDilmun after the evacuation was built near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf and could include the Bebian Shelf and in the Oman Shelf.  The Eastern Group of Nodites may have built there new city of Dilmun in around the headwaters in the vicinity.

posted 11-02-2007 03:40 AM

Hey I think a real King is one who can master himself and harmonize sensibly on levels of reality.

sevens

posted 11-02-2007 03:49 AM

Looking further into the matter and attempting to overcome some challenges about Dalamatia and the viability of its location in light of what is written about the submerged City. I'm working the theory through the Urantia Book to see if I can better matches and find more accuracy to the whole.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues13.htm#Looking

At the end of the day with a little more work I feel more satisfied about the location and the anomalies that lay there. In this search I'm more interested in descriptions of the place and as usual this thread of inquiry goes all over the place.

Just trying to catch those arrows of truth.

I welcome debate regarding this aspect as it could improve the research. Some people think Dalamatia is around where Ur is. No worries but I do beg to differ.

I feel before I take myself on a limb and take another step in faith I want this to be completely solid and with no stone unturned.

Alternatively, III just go it alone without debate.

Sevens

Opening of the books
repeated twice in the Urantia Book and projected in relation r\to judgment of the Ancient Days opening the Books in judgement.

Here is a fantastic Paper from the Urantia Book.  Which has description of the ancients of Days and there purposes.  I relate to the experience as described in the paper to the ancient planes.

PAPER 28 - MINISTERING SPIRITS OF THE SUPERUNIVERSES

posted 11-02-2007 07:23 PM

Its been an intense and enthralling last couple of days.

Here is a highlight study I did on this following Urantia Paper. This paper completely highlights the journey and the experience to the ancient places. Including are many references to the Ancients of Days, the universal judges. I was really impressed and seems to support of judgment event.

And here is a fragment I discovered and is in complete harmonisation of all that has been said and researched.

Here is an outstanding fragment that reflects the journey as in the opening of the books...As in Heaven on Earth in a dual process of greatness and Goodness.

Quote:

The Memory of Mercy is a living trial balance, a current statement of your account with the supernatural forces of the realms. These are the living records of mercy ministration which are read into the testimony of the courts of Uversa when each individual's right to unending life comes up for adjudication, when "thrones are cast up and the Ancients of Days are seated.

The broadcasts of Uversa issue and come forth from before them; thousands upon thousands minister to them, and ten thousand times ten thousand stand before them.
The judgment is set, and the books are opened." And the books which are opened on such a momentous occasion are the living records of the tertiary seconaphim of the superuniverses. The formal records are on file to corroborate the testimony of the Memories of Mercy if they are required.

This fragment just says it all and this Testamony to the ancient places in the books, in my mind is the recognition of the opening of Books on earth regarding Origins and creates a path to them. The Ancient of Days is all involved in this journey of the Kingdom of truth!

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/AncientsOperation.htm#opened

Note: Opening of the books is repeated twice in the Urantia Book and is projected in relation towards the judgment of the Ancient Days opening the Books on this world.

According to the Urantia Book and in my mind, its a fact Judgment is related to the opening of the Books and the weighing of the spiritual scales. Opening of the Book of Life by the Ancients of Days could be mirrored in the opening of the books in the journey and discovery of the ancient places and in the fulfillment of prophecy. The time space aspect, the timeline as investigated. Its all about Origins a major part of it. Its all to do with the truth of our origins, a history lesson.

Dont know when though but the ancient places could a sign of it.

Sevens

This submerged valley/plain/edinu would be the lost world of the
Mesopotamian Dream-Time, the source of their later legends about the
beginning of things. For those espousing Mesopotamian roots for
Genesis fantasies, it could also be the land of Eden, in an eastern
part of which the Garden was planted. Dilmun at the place where the
sun rises, said to be located on a river bank at the Place of Crossing

http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/library/ane/digest/2001/v2001.n203

posted 11-02-2007 08:47 PM

Direction to the Dilmun of the East

Here is thumb of some thoughts of Dilmun to the east near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf.

Myth unlocking more of the truth.

Clues to Dilmun to the East of Dalamatia built by the Nodites

The rising of the sun

and extract

quote:

This submerged valley/plain/edinu would be the lost world of the Mesopotamian Dream-Time, the source of their later legends about the beginning of things.

For those espousing Mesopotamian roots for Genesis fantasies, it could also be the land of Eden, in an eastern part of which the Garden was planted.

Dilmun at the place where the sun rises, said to be located on a river bank at the Place of Crossing

http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/library/ane/digest/2001/v2001.n203

and here is another hint to the location of Dilmun of the East

quote:

"down the dank

moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams they went and past the White Rock and the Sun's Western Gates and past the Land of Dreams, and soon they reached the fields of asphodel where the dead, the burnt-out wraiths of mortals make their home"
(Odyssey 24.5-9, translation by Robert ***les)

The above seems to reflect the Entry of the Persian Gulf which has an east/west aspect and the sun rises and sets in parallel to the direction of Dilmun on the banks of the rivers of the crossing leading out through the heads of Hormuz where the rivers divide into channels in parallel to the coastline and then eventually into the sea dropping 400m, the White rock is probably an outcrop of significance and could point to the layout of Dilmun and identifiable features. Dilmun is the land of Dreams however that was borrowed from Dalamatia which submerged "in the Dank". The fields of Ashpodel could be further to the North or could be another reflection of the Demise of Dalamatia City, the City of Gods before the fall.

It giving you the directions to the City and the general landscape of the Eastern Dilmun.

Also note Ashpodel could be reference to oil and asphalt and we know the Dalamatia/Persian Valley is full of the resource.

Here is another fragment that has the same image of Dilmun of this particular location I believe.

quote:

'Hesiod refers to the Isles of the Blessed (makarôn nêsoi) in the Western Ocean (Works and Days).

Pindar makes it a single island. Walter Burkert notes the connection with the motif of far-off Dilmun:

"Thus Achilles is transported to the White Isle and becomes the Ruler of the Black Sea, and Diomedes becomes the divine lord of an Adriatic island."[3]

In Elysium were fields of the pale liliaceous asphodel, and poplars grew. There stood the gates that led to the house of Ais (in Attic dialect "Hades"). The place of Judgement?

Judgement eh!

and here is an image that gives a better idea of the location of Dilmun to the East near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. Note how its the place of crossing the outflows of rivers in all directions and Dilmun to the East right there in the middle of it. It also has an East and West aspect which Sun travels.

These direction in all the links concerning the rising of the Sun are really location markers to Dilmun of the East. All we have to do now is go there and find physical evidence of a large centre in these Persian Gulf headwaters. I reckon there would be evidence on that island there somewhere. Note we have a similar circular mountain marker close to Dilmun/Babel as well.

Sevens

The Rising of the Sun link to Dilmun in the East and further clues

These floods completed the disruption of Andite civilization. With the ending of this period of deluge, the second garden was no more. Only in the south and among the Sumerians did any trace of the former glory remain.

The remnants of this, one of the oldest civilizations, are to be found in these regions of Mesopotamia and to the northeast and northwest. But still older vestiges of the days of Dalamatia exist under the waters of the Persian Gulf, and the first Eden lies submerged under the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea.

and

8. THE SUMERIANS--LAST OF THE ANDITES

When the last Andite dispersion broke the biologic backbone of Mesopotamian civilization, a small minority of this superior race remained in their homeland near the mouths of the rivers. These were the Sumerians, and by 6000 B.C. they had become largely Andite in extraction, though their culture was more exclusively Nodite in character, and they clung to the ancient traditions of Dalamatia. Nonetheless, these Sumerians of the coastal regions were the last of the Andites in Mesopotamia. But the races of Mesopotamia were already thoroughly blended by this late date, as is evidenced by the skull types found in the graves of this era.

It was during the floodtimes that Susa so greatly prospered. The first and lower city was inundated so that the second or higher town succeeded the lower as the headquarters for the peculiar artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution of these floods, Ur became the center of the pottery industry. About seven thousand years ago Ur was on the Persian Gulf, the river deposits having since built up the land to its present limits. These settlements suffered less from the floods because of better controlling works and the widening mouths of the rivers.

This could be First and lower Susa from the Urantia Book found near the rivers mouths of the Persian Gulf 8000 Years ago.  It appears to be 15 meters below sea level according to the worldwind bathy indicator.

According to the Sea Level chart at 8000 years ago the sea levels where 15 meters lower.

Its a direct match to Susa when it was inundated.

According to the Sea Level Chart Dilmun/Babel seem to have submerged at around 13,000-12,000 years ago.  However Dilmun/Babel could of been prolonged by the sea walls and canals that led to the circular city.

All the matches are coming in.

posted 11-04-2007 12:56 PM

Hi

Ive seen 7 concentric circles in symbols used in Northern Mesopotamia. There on the Mari tablet, it was around 2500BC that marked the terminal end of Sumerian/Andite race. These people where nomads throughout the world and brought there culture and symbols with them wherever they traveled throughout the world. Ive seem the rings in Inca territory, the Andites also went there to.

From what I understand Atlantis was bigger than a village surrounded by rings.

would be good to see some images.

Sevens

A little fragment about Susa

What new material may we draw from this ancient soil of Elam, to provide food for our chimæra-like appetite for universal knowledge; a soil where countless generations [p. 299] of human beings lie buried, piled on each other like so many geological stratifications, and surrounded by all the purtenances of their earthly existence:? The Greeks have merely transmitted to us baseless fables concerning the history of Elam. Ignoring all local traditions, the writers of the Macedonian period related that the mythical founder of this region was Memnon, son of Tithonus, and of Aurora; that he led a body of black warriors to the aid of Troy when besieged by the Greeks, and was slain in a duel by Achilles. Eos, or Aurora, wept for her son, and according to a pretty fiction it is the tears of this inconsolable mother which form the morning dew. Classical antiquity was cradled in such poetic stories of the mysterious regions of the rising sun, without any attempt to discover the actual facts. It is the Bible alone that has preserved the name of one of the kings of Susa, Chedorlaomer, a contemporary of Abraham.

from

http://www.noteaccess.com/Texts/OAntiquities/S.htm

and this fragment from the same link

After digging through the accumulated remains of forty centuries, the virgin soil is reached, and here are found worked flints, primitive pottery, and other objects similar to those found on all prehistoric sites. Above [p. 303] the level of the worked flints, and the rough, hand-made pottery, shaped without the aid of the wheel, another civilization is found, more advanced, although still prehistoric, which produced vases in sandstone and calcite of various sizes, and--far more important and fundamental--seals or stamps, proofs of a culture widely removed from barbarism. These seals are hemispherical in form, and pierced with a hole for suspension. The vase or flat face is decorated with figures of animals engraved in rudimentary fashion by means of the drill and point. The most usual subject is a lion, or lion's head. But nowhere at this level of the remains has the slightest trace of writing been found. The dwellings were huts, made either of beaten earth or of crude bricks.

A thick layer of cinders and other unequivocal indications, enable us to assert that this primitive civilization disappeared owing to the massacre of the habitants and the burning of their dwellings. At this early period, to which it is impossible to assign even an approximate date, Susa suffered from some foreign invasion, and the pillagers installed themselves in place of the indigenous inhabitants, whom they destroyed. It is, therefore, a new civilization we find above the remains of the prehistoric people, and which introduces us to the domain of actual history, the commencement of the Elam-Anzanite period.

It is to this invading race that Susa owes her first written documents. These inscriptions, although they are in a language almost unknown to us, are undoubtedly the most important that this period has hitherto yielded. [p. 304]

The earliest text known is engraved on a bone cylinder [fig. 242]. The mere appearance of the signs strikes us with the remote antiquity to which they must be assigned; they are actually hieroglyphs. Among them apparently there can be distinguished an insect, a double comb, a quadruped, a bird, some grains of wheat, and a man carrying a double load on his shoulders. On the lower part of the cylinder two bulls are depicted, each with his head over a manger.

This object, which so far seems to be the sole representative of the earliest stage of cuneiform writing, and which leads us to question whether this mode of writing was not invented at Susa, is followed by a series of clay tablets ranging in size from 2 1/2 to 9 inches at the sides, and with the principal face covered with writing, of which the signs are almost cuneiform. Dr. Scheil, however, says of these that apparently "we have here a system of cuneiform writing other than that of primitive Chaldæn, or at least the result of an extremely independent evolution, very different to that which has given us the signs known as the Babylonian: evidently [p. 305] these signs, instead of being extremely archaic are linear in character, and geometric rather than hieroglyphic."

Dr. Scheil recognizes that these texts are arithmetical, and he has already been able to distinguish the elements of Elamite numeration [fig. 243]. Anyone studying them from the point of view of workmanship, will notice, as Dr. Scheil again observes, that the signs are inscribed with a neatness and certainty that indicates previous long practice on the part of the scribe. Nowhere can we discern errors or rough work, such as would be the results of early attempts and experiments. Thus we arrive at the conclusion that those texts were written by the invaders, who were already in possession of this system of writing when they arrived at Susa.

It is at this period that we first find cylinders covered with representations of animals, engraved on the surface before the tablets were baked or dried in the sun. These cylinders are of greenish enameled paste and very hard; only a small number has been discovered at present, but impressions made with some of the objects of this class agree for the greater part with the clay tablets. We give a reproduction of one of the most [p. 306] curious of these impressions [fig. 244]. Here we can distinguish giants, leonocephalic and taurocephalic, taming lions and bulls apparently for amusement. In this instance the style is very remarkable, and recalls that of certain animals on the finest of the Chaldæn cylindres.

Of this same civilization there is also a large number of alabaster vases; these are frequently decorated with incised lines, forming geometric designs; in some instances these vases have animal forms, such as ducks, pigs, fish, or seated monkeys, types generally figured in a summary and rudimentary fashion.

Above the proto-Elamite zone the ruins become confused and belong to different periods. It is obvious that the soil of Susa was constantly overturned and pillaged. Happily the beacon light of history now begins to guide our footsteps, and enables us to classify chronologically those remains, which are discovered in disorder. The written texts, which are increasingly numerous, from this time are divided into two main classes; the first written in a Semitic dialect, the second in the Anzanite language. This shows that in the country of Elam at that remote period an ethnic dualism existed, which corresponds with the double name for the capital of Anzan and Susa--a dualism [p. 307] which certain sculptured representations of the human figure also exhibit from the anthropological and ethnological point of view. The Anzanite inscriptions are still only partly decipherable, notwithstanding the insight shown by Dr. Scheil in commencing a study of them.

As to the inscriptions in the Elamite language, over a thousand have been brought to the Louvre. They are on slabs of stone, on blocks which have served as sockets for doors, and yet more are inscribed with a stylus on bricks.

posted 11-04-2007 11:32 PM

Hey Brig, how you doin?

For me personally I don't think its the original and first Atlantis. I don't think it was the place of the Gods However, I have no doubt it was built upon a plan in the past and probably originated some were else, the complex as Goergeous thinks is a temple surrounded by seven rings. For me I would say Mesopotamia as having the oldest culture in the world that was dispersed at that time.

Georgeos, I would be happy to see your work on the location I await with real interest. No worries.

I'm sure it would be fascinating.

I have one question. If someone was to drop the the sea levels of the Atlantic. What would show up and would it uncover a large mass that would replicate Atlantis as described.

Could be someone being just plain creative! say what!

regards
Sevens

18 August 2007

http://www.cais-soas.com/News/2007/August2007/18-08.htm

LONDON, (CAIS) -- An archeological team from Bushehr Cultural Heritage, Handicrafts, and Tourism Organization (BCHHTO) succeeded to discover number of stone tools date back to Palaeolithic era.

"The archeological team has started their excavations in Jam city in Bushehr province in early July, which led to archeological discoveries in two phases,'' announced Ahmad Dashti, the director of BCHHTO.

"We have discovered a number of stone tolls including Blades, knives and drills from the site", he added.

This is the first time artefacts old as 40,000-years have been discovered in southern part of the country; this opens a new horizon in understanding of the region's past, he noted.

The discovered objects will be sent to Tehran for further studies" . . "fieldworks will continue in a near future", he concluded.

http://www.chnpress.com/news/?section=2&id=7271

Paleolithic Residency Traced in Bushehr Province
Parts of mountaneous region of Jam city in bushehr province

Iranian archeologists have succeeded in tracing 40,000-year-old evidence of human beings residency in Jam-o Riz city in Bushehr province.

Tehran, 25 August 2007 (CHN Foreign Desk) – For the first time, during excavating operations in city of Jam-o Riz in Bushehr province, Iranian archeologists have succeeded in tracing evidence of human beings settlement dating back to Paleolithic epoch to Middle Stone Age (40,000-10,000 years ago) in this region. Prior to this, some excavations were conducted by British archeologists in different parts of Bushehr province.

“Archeological excavations in Jam-o Riz city in southern and northern slides of midst mountain plain resulted in discovering evidence belonging to Paleolithic, and Middle Stone Age periods,” said Abdolreza Dashtizadeh, head of archeology team in Jam-o Riz city to CHN.

He further explained that 16 prehistoric sites have been discovered during these excavations, among which 6 enjoys a high archeological potential to be studied in detail.

Discovery of prehistoric evidence, the majority of which are consisted of stone tools used by cave dwelling human beings, shed light into existence of human beings residency in this area about 40,000 years ago.

“Alongside archeological excavations, we conducted some anthropological researches in the area which led us to conclude that stone instruments were used by the local people of this area until 40 years ago. These researches completed our archeological studies,” added head of excavation team in Jam-o Riz city.

These researches show that the local people used a kind of flint stone which is called Bardtash in local language means fire stone which is used for making razors blades for hunting animals.

Pointing out to the pre-studies which have been conducted in this regard in the area, Dashtizadeh said: “Before starting archeological excavations, some geological and morphological studies were conducted in the whole area and existence of Paleolithic evidence was already approved in the area.”

According to Dashtizadeh, the discovered prehistoric relics have already been transferred to Paleolithic Research Department of Iran’s National Museum and have been examined by Fereydoon Biglari, director of this department.

City of Jam is the ninth city of Iranian southwestern province of Bushehr. It is limited to Firuzabad and Dashti from north, to Kangan city from south, to Mehr city of Fars province from east, and Deir and Kangan cities from west. Historical and geographical evidence show the existence of Jam city from very ancient times.

I find it very interesting that Jam is location South of Dilmun to the North.  The above article proves that there was intelligent civilisation in the areas of Jam and the Persian Gulf.

LONDON, (CAIS) -- Iranian and Korean archeologists have discovered a 100,000-year-old civilization in the city of Roudbar located in the north of Iran.

Six Iranian archeologists in cooperation with nine Korean archeologists undertook a discovery project in the northern province of Iran 10 days ago.

The archeologists could unearth a stone tool, which looked like a knife. The experts estimated the stone knife to date back to at least 100 thousand years.

This is a sign of existence of a civilization in that area. The archeologists are to continue the task until August 16 in the ancient cities of Roudbar, Roudsar and Siahkal, according to a report by Persian service of IRINN.

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146413206

Based on an agreement between Iran’s Archeology Research Center, head the committee of Asia-Pacific Regional Organization of ICOM, one of North Korean archeologist, and director of South Korean National Museum, the Stone Age and Paleolithic areas of Gilan province will go under research.

Announcing this news, Hassan Fazeli Nashli, head of Iran’s Archeology Research Center told CHN: “The project for examining the Stone Age and Paleolithic epoch in Iranian Northern Province of Gilan especially in dwelling caves has come into force since 16th of July 2007.”

Byung-ki, director of National Museum of South Korea, Chan I. King head of committee of Asian-Pacific Regional Organization of ICOM, and Chi Duong Di, Korean archeologists will cooperate in this research project.

Regarding the time of the project, Fazeli Nashli explained: “Based on the initial agreements, this research project has been planned for one year during which just the areas belonging to the Paleolithic epoch will be excavated. However, the project may extent for 5 years, depends on what happens in future.”

According to Fazeli Nashli, since little archeological studies have been conducted so far about Stone Age and Paleolithic epoch in Iran, the lifestyle practiced by human begins during these important periods have remained somehow ambiguous. On the other hand, large areas of these important prehistoric sites are on verge of destruction or have been already destroyed due to developing projects in the country, which brings into light the importance of conducting any research project in this regard.

Paleolithic epoch is one of the most prominent archeological periods in history of Gilan province. Therefore, in an attempt to uncover many unknowns about this period, a large amount of studies have been conducted so far by Iranian and foreign archeologists in this province. Two years ago a Japanese team wrapped up their excavations in the area after carrying out 5 seasons of archeological excavations in historical sites of Gilan province the result of which is due to be published in a book.

Roudbar, Amlash, Roudsar, and Siahkal are among the cities in Gilan province which will be studied during this archeological research project. According to Mohammad Reza Bagherian, Iranian head of Iranian- North Korean joint team in Gilan province, the first season of the project will be lasted for a month during which the mentioned cities will be excavated. Afterwards, they will extent their researches in other cities.

All very close to the Vanite Civilisation and its various outposts.  Looks that whole area of Gilan was home to advanced civilisation.  Seems to match the Urantia Book records.

 7000-Year-Old Historic Susa to be Put Up for World Registration 04 February 2007

LONDON, (CAIS) -- Considering the cultural background of Susa and its impact on the history and civilization of the area southwest of present-day Iran, experts of Iran’s Cultural Heritage and Tourism Organization (ICHTO) are determined to compile Susa’s file to prepare the ground for its world registration in a near future.

According to Mirābedin Kāboli, archaeologist who is in charge of preparing Susa’s file for world registration, the file will contain Susa and its surrounding historical sites as well as any evidence of continual civilized dwellings in the area from 5000 BCE onwards.

“The reasons that make UNESCO registration of Susa important have already been submitted to ICHTO. Once approved, the file will be completed and send to UNESCO for registration in the list of World Heritage Sites,” said Kāboli to Persian service of CHN.

Currently experts of ICHTO have started the project for preparing the file of a large number of archaeological sites in Iran for inscribing them in UNESCO’s list of world heritage sites. Based on UNESCO’s regulations, each country is allowed to introduce only one monument for world registration per year and among the 178 member countries, only 30 monuments find their ways to the final list each year.

Susa was an ancient city of the Elamite Empire (3400-550 BCE), located in Khuzestan province of Iran, and about 150 miles east of the Tirgis River. Susa is one of the most ancient civilisation, founded about 4000 BCE, though the first traces of a village-settlement dating back to 7000 BCE have been found in the area.

The above confirms that lower and first Susa sunk around 8000 years ago and moved there civilisation to Second Susa which are the ruins being listed.

Now if they go underwater by about 15 meters they should find first Susa.

Here is some interesting fragments in this article that once again confirms the Urantia Book rendition of 2nd Susa in many ways and again points to an early advanced civilisation.\ that had all the crafts.

But now it is generally recognized that the position and surrounding objects of any valuable specimens are just as important as the relics themselves, therefore detailed plans and records are kept and the deposits carefully sifted so that every scrap of evidence may be preserved; for the trained archeologist, like the detective of the novelist, will find important clues in apparently trivial objects. Among those trivial objects the highest place is now generally given to broken bits of pottery - they need not necessarily be broken, but an unbroken vase is rare, and however valuable it might be as a museum specimen, one vase might be like the proverbial swallow.

It is chiefly by the many thousand broken pieces of pottery found in the lowest deposits of the Susa mound that the story has been built up, bit by bit, of these unknown immigrants from an unknown land; something like the reconstruction of the unseen, lame, half-blind camel in "The Arabian Nights." This pottery is wonderfully hard and thin, not much thicker than a couple of postcards, and it rings like porcelain, though it is not so transparent. The forms are simple and graceful; they were produced on a rudimentary potter's wheel, used with a skill that was probably due to the inherited experience of many generations of craftsmen. Nearly all the bowls and vases were elaborately decorated either inside or outside with strange designs, most of which have no similarity with any designs found in other parts of the world, so that we have no due to the country where these potters learned their art, though we can be fairly sure that they brought it from some centre of civilization where it had been undergoing a long period of development. For it is now admitted that ornamental designs in all countries and in all ages are not the chance product of the craftsman's brain-they have a regular evolution from the simple to the complex, most of the simple designs being evidently based on natural forms of men or animals.

There are other indications that the earliest colonists of Susa were well civilized before they left that unknown parent country, for in their (Page 699) burial ground outside the city walls are found the bronze hatchets of the men, and the mirrors, the needles, and ointment vases of the women; there are also relics of delicate fabrics finely woven on a loom. The human remains in the graves have unfortunately been so crushed by the immense weight of the overlying deposits that have accumulated above them for forty centuries that it is impossible for ethnologists to decide whether they were members of the white, the black, or the yellow races. People became very interested over the finding of Tutankhamen's tomb, although its contents added relatively little to our knowledge of the origins or the development of civilization; how much more interesting would be the finding of the unknown home country of the colonists of Susa, the earliest artistic potters that have as yet given us an insight into the origins of their craft. There are no traces of inscriptions on any of their relics, so we cannot even guess what language they may have spoken. The community vanished as mysteriously as it arrived; a thick layer of charcoal and ashes being the only evidence of the catastrophe that overwhelmed them.

But the site continued to be occupied either by the survivors or by their supplanters, for fresh layers of unburnt bricks appear above the devastated town, and pottery of a coarser but somewhat similar type is found among these layers. Again and again at various levels are found other layers of charcoal and ashes testifying to the successive calamities that overtook the city, and a striking evidence of the energy of the mixed race that so continually rebuilt it. The long duration of the city may be due to the constant accession of fresh blood it received from surrounding nations, themselves not artistically deficient.

This energy made them very formidable to their neighbours, especially to those in the prosperous new cities that were growing up in the fertile plains of Chaldea. Eannatum, who ruled in the city of Lagash about five thousand years ago, and set up a monument recording his punitive raid on Susa, describes it as "the mountain that strikes terror." This is the first written mention we have of that already ancient city, but an earlier tradition about it has reached us through that wonderful "Epic of Gilgames" (Gilgamesh) the national hero of Chaldea. He is said to have attacked and slain Khumbaba, the King of Susa, shortly after the deluge! But here we enter the land of myth.

Many hundred years after Eannatum's time "Ur of the Chaldees" having acquired considerable power, annexed Susa, together with the surrounding country, called Elam, but in the course of another hundred years, Susa had regained its independence and conquered both Chaldea and Babylon. Art and literature do not seem to have flourished in this "terror-striking mountain." Its inhabitants were too much occupied in that constant vendetta of raids and retaliations that still exhaust the energies of the human race. Their raids extended to an almost incredible distance, even as far as Palestine, for in Genesis xiv., Chedorlaomer, king of Elam, is mentioned as having subdued Sodom and Gomorrah and kept Lot a prisoner until he was rescued by Abraham.

The Urantia Book says that the early Andite pottery was more superior than later civilizations.  The above seems to reflect that.

• line 73: While pottery had been first introduced by the staff of the Prince about one-half million years ago, the making of clay vessels had practically ceased for over one hundred and fifty thousand years. Only the gulf coast pre-Sumerian Nodites continued to make clay vessels. The art of pottery making was revived during Adam's time. The dissemination of this art was simultaneous with the extension of the desert areas of Africa, Arabia, and central Asia, and it spread in successive waves of improving technique from Mesopotamia out over the Eastern Hemisphere.

line 74: These civilizations of the Andite age cannot always be traced by the stages of their pottery or other arts. The smooth course of human evolution was tremendously complicated by the regimes of both Dalamatia and Eden. It often occurs that the later vases and implements are inferior to the earlier products of the purer Andite peoples.

and again note the above fragments from the essay about Susa

It is chiefly by the many thousand broken pieces of pottery found in the lowest deposits of the Susa mound that the story has been built up, bit by bit, of these unknown immigrants from an unknown land; something like the reconstruction of the unseen, lame, half-blind camel in "The Arabian Nights." This pottery is wonderfully hard and thin, not much thicker than a couple of postcards, and it rings like porcelain, though it is not so transparent. The forms are simple and graceful; they were produced on a rudimentary potter's wheel, used with a skill that was probably due to the inherited experience of many generations of craftsmen. Nearly all the bowls and vases were elaborately decorated either inside or outside with strange designs, most of which have no similarity with any designs found in other parts of the world, so that we have no due to the country where these potters learned their art, though we can be fairly sure that they brought it from some centre of civilization where it had been undergoing a long period of development.

we have a clear example of the Susa pottery found in the Urantia fragments

• and here is some very interesting fragments about another Andite group that migrated to Crete about 14,000 years ago.  This may indicate the destruction of Dilmun to the North where Babel was built.  The loss of that very ancient city migrate a group of people while some would stay behind and move to higher ground and rebuild.  Susa is a clear and more recent example of that.

line 117: About 12,000 B.C. a brilliant tribe of Andites migrated to Crete. This was the only island settled so early by such a superior group, and it was almost two thousand years before the descendants of these mariners spread to the neighboring isles. This group were the narrow-headed, smaller-statured Andites who had intermarried with the Vanite division of the northern Nodites. They were all under six feet in height and had been literally driven off the mainland by their larger and inferior fellows. These emigrants to Crete were highly skilled in textiles, metals, pottery, plumbing, and the use of stone for building material. They engaged in writing and carried on as herders and agriculturists.

and further clue to the later Sumerians

line 95: And all this explains how the Sumerians appeared so suddenly and mysteriously on the stage of action in Mesopotamia. Investigators will never be able to trace out and follow these tribes back to the beginning of the Sumerians, who had their origin two hundred thousand years ago after the submergence of Dalamatia. Without a trace of origin elsewhere in the world, these ancient tribes suddenly loom upon the horizon of civilization with a full-grown and superior culture, embracing temples, metalwork, agriculture, animals, pottery, weaving, commercial law, civil codes, religious ceremonial, and an old system of writing. At the beginning of the historical era they had long since lost the alphabet of Dalamatia, having adopted the peculiar writing system originating in Dilmun. The Sumerian language, though virtually lost to the world, was not Semitic; it had much in common with the so-called Aryan tongues.

Not far from Susa, the first and lower city.

posted 11-05-2007 05:24 AM Dilmun to the east, The first Dilmun, 200,000 after the fall of Dalamatia City

Thinking about Dilmun to the East of Dalamatia City. This could be a representation in red of the spit of land that followed the coast to the East and to the south of the ancient Persian Gulf.

It could be another possible site of the Dilmun to the East on the island isthmus. Seems to match the description of Odyessy even further. Also at that time the sea levels where retreating. Seems like a logical place to seek refuge from a rebellion safe and protected by the rivers?

However the other location hypothesis near the Headwaters closer to Dalamatia seems like a very logical position to.

quote:

"down the dank

moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams they went and past the White Rock and the Sun's Western Gates and past the Land of Dreams , and soon they reached the fields of asphodel where the dead, the burnt-out wraiths of mortals make their home"
(Odyssey 24.5-9, translation by Robert ***les)

and another rough image

Reflecting on the fragment of Odyssey.

moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams Could be a reflection of the Meandering river working its way East to the sea along the coast. If you where on a boat you would travel West along this vast river, as you reach the heads of the Persian Gulf you would notice the the White Rock where they went and past. As you pass the White Rock a navigation beacon you would be in the Western Gates as the Sun would be above you traveling East to West, in parallel following the Sun. You would be in "the Sun's Western Gates" The gates of the Persian Gulf. As you would travel West you would go past the Land of Dreams which could be a reflection of the location of "Dilmun to the East" since it was in the vicinity of Dalamatia or it could be a past reflection of Dalamatia City, the source of the Dilmunite myths. The past land of dreams...maybe!

Traveling further you reach the fields of asphodel which to me sounds like a city of the coast where there may be tar pits and alike.

I believe the above is the directions to the Persian Gulf of ancient times and to the location of Dilmun of the East.

So much physical research has to be done to prove this theory.

Chances are that Dilmun to the East was located inside the heads nearer to Dalamatia. However it wouldn't hurt to explore this option further because I think it has possibilities.

sevens

quote: posted 11-05-2007 04:19 PM

'Hesiod refers to the Isles of the Blessed (makarôn nêsoi) in the Western Ocean (Works and Days).

Pindar makes it a single island. Walter Burkert notes the connection with the motif of far-off Dilmun:

"Thus Achilles is transported to the White Isle and becomes the Ruler of the Black Sea, and Diomedes becomes the divine lord of an Adriatic island."[3]

In Elysium were fields of the pale liliaceous asphodel, and poplars grew . There stood the gates that led to the house of Ais (in Attic dialect "Hades"). The place of Judgement?

People may look at the below and think of Atlantis as an island being in the Atlantic based on the above confirming Plato.

However, looking at this from the Persian Gulf aspects and the cities that lay there I have the feeling that the Atlantis Story is really about the 2 Dilmuns of these ages in one aspect or another.

About the western gates, it is thought Atlantis lays in front of the western gates.

When I see this fragment

the Isles of the Blessed (makarôn nêsoi) in the Western Ocean

I can see the same result when I look at Dilmun to the East built on a Island at the Western gates of Persian Gulf.

History points and going there will confirm Dilmun to the East which was built on a island near the Western gates of the Persian Gulf. Probably an large freshwater sea outflowing into the rivers outside the heads downstream to the right and left.

Pindar makes it a single island. Walter Burkert notes the connection with the motif of far-off Dilmun:

Dilmun to the East of Dalamatia City, the triangle city! The land of Dreams, Past Dreams

They are reflections and reminders if I'm on the right track. One thing for sure I feel happier with the results and where its leading to.

Just have to verify the places and find more.

Sevens

In terms of science payoff, surveys that improve the input to ocean models could be seen as highest
priority, because such models bear on our ability to understand and forecast climate change, which has
profound human consequences. An example of the importance of this kind of study is that the sill at the
mouth of the Persian Gulf is now known to be 120 m deep, not 80 m, changing the exchange parameters
between the Gulf and the adjacent Arabian Sea. Improved bathymetry for tsunami modelling is likely to have
the greatest short-term effect on human life, in tsunami-prone regions

Here is a video of the contours of the Altimetry of the Persian Gulf

Note the potential for the inland sea that destroyed Dalamatia.  Note the submergence to the North and in the Dalamatia region.

It also appears that Dilmun/Babel to the North is around 20 - 40 meters and suffered from subsidence.  Perhaps the Worldwind Bathy is inaccurate in that region.

Dalamatia City is right on the edge of the lake and sits right in the middle of the subsidence of the lake.

Marine Transgression

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ve

Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:27 am
I thought this was an interesting find in the Ub

Quote:

p.1863
This world has never seriously or sincerely or honestly tried out these dynamic ideas and divine ideals of Jesus' doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. But you should not become discouraged by the apparently slow progress of the kingdom idea on Urantia. Remember that the order of
progressive evolution is subjected to sudden and unexpected periodical changes in both the material and the spiritual worlds. The bestowal of Jesus as an incarnated Son was just such a strange and unexpected event in the spiritual life of the world. Neither make the fatal mistake, in looking for the age manifestation of the kingdom, of failing to effect its establishment within your own souls
.

and here is a fragment from an unexpected source that I found PLATO

Quote:

As Plato wrote in the Statesman:
"There is a time when God himself guides and helps to roll the world in its course; and there is a time, on the completion of certain cycles, when he lets go, and the world, being a living creature and having originally received intelligence from its author and creator, turns and by an inherent necessity revolves in the opposite direction."

Plato went on:

"I mean the change in the rising and setting of the sun and the other heavenly bodies. In those times they used to set in the quarter where they now rise, and used to rise where they now set. The revolution of the heavens is sometimes in its present sense, sometimes in its reverse sense. So it must needs be that in the cosmic crisis there is widespread destruction of living creatures . . . and only a remnant of the human race survives. For when the whole order of things has come to its destined end there must needs be universal change once more. Now the pilot of the ship of the world lets go the handle of its rudder. A shudder passes through the world at the reversing of its rotation, checked as it seems, between the old control and the new impulse. The shock sets up a great earthquake which causes . . . destruction of living creatures of all kinds."

here is an interesting link

http://www.world-destiny.org/trans.htm

sevens

so it can be fatal?

posted 11-07-2007 04:01 AM

If you cant produce the article then why say all this rubbish. Anyway man is 1,000,000 years old and had a crappy civilization before Dalamatia City 500,000 years old,

beat that buddy ahahahah

Yeah and its a triangle city with circular temple in the middle.

Similar kind of symbolism I see in your country, its even on the money you use.

Thats where the symbol first originated from in truth!

By the way where is everyones ones data and images apart from all the dross theories to go with the no images and no truth.

eh! eh!

The worst part about all the discovered cities in the Persian Gulf is that all the books of religion including the Urantia Book where used to locate them.

I know that its a complete pain in ass for self proclaimed Christians but that is the truth. Its the only thing that will stand all the dross will just go!

sevens

[ 11-07-2007, 04:18 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Analysis that links with the journey.
Hi

I really like the following piece from here

http://www.world-destiny.org/ser1b.html

I think Ernest Moyers is just so spot on on in his research. I reckon he is best Ive seen amongst all the the other commentators about these times. This research has got it happening and you can see his accuracy in tandem to this experience not that all has been revealed to him but what has been revealed to him describes this journey to a tee! There is no doubt about it in my mind.

I feel this researcher is also involved in the journey to the ancient places and led a path in parallel that one could bounce of in relation to the journey.

I think the heavenly Father has worked with this gentlemen in the revealing of the great mystery. I really thank Ernest Moyers for his work and dedication and truly a trustworthy and loyal person in the highest sense. His work really edifies this project and provides great confidence to.

Quote:

PSALM #2

I give thanks unto Thee, O Lord, for Thou art my strength and my stronghold,

Thou hast delivered my soul from all works of unrighteousness.
For Thou hast put truth in my heart and righteousness in my spirit,
Along with all gifts of Thy wisdom;
And hast crushed the loins of them that have risen up against me.
Thou bringest me cheer, O Lord, amid the sorrow of mourning,
Words of peace amid havoc, stoutness of heart when I faint,
Fortitude in the face of affliction.

Thou has given free flow of speech to my stammering lips;
Stayed my drooping spirit with vigor and strength;
Made my feet to stand firm when they stood where wickedness reigns.
To transgressors I am a snare, but healing to them that repent,
prudence to the unwary, temperance to the rash.

Thou hast made me a reproach and a derision to them that live by deceit,
But a symbol of truth and understanding to all whose way is straight.

I am become an eyesore unto the wicked, a slander on the lips of the unbridled; scoffers knash their teeth.
I am a song unto transgressors, and the hordes of the wicked rage against me;
Like ocean gales they storm which, when their billows rage, cast up mire and dirt.

Yet, Thou hast set me as a banner in the vanguard of Righteousness,
As one who interprets with knowledge deep, mysterious things;
As a touchstone for them that seek the truth,
A standard for them that love correction
.

To them that preach misguidance I am but a man of strife;
But to them that see straight, a very symbol of peace.
To them that pursue delusion I am but a gust of zeal;
Men that live by deceit roar against me like the roar of many waters.

Naught is there in their thoughts save mischievous designs.
When opening the fount of knowledge to all that have understanding,
Thou hast set a man's life to rights by the words of Thy mouth,
And hast taught unto him Thy lesson and put understanding in his heart.

But they thrust him back into the pit. In place of these Thy gifts they offer a witless folk stammering lips and barbarous tongue.

Wandering astray, they rush headlong to their doom.

I sense the that the above is about the "As one who interprets with knowledge deep, mysterious things" which I feel has all to do with the ancient places and the representation of its physical SYMBOL. From what I can see it has relation to truth and correction.

I see all the above components encapsulated in this almighty journey to the ancient places.

Its a direct match.

continuing....

Farout look at this one

Quote:

Through me has Thou illumined the faces of full many,
And countless be the times Thou hast shown Thy power through me.
For Thou hast made known unto me Thy deep, mysterious things,
And hast shared Thy secret with me and so shown forth Thy power;
And before the eyes of full many this token stands revealed,
That Thy glory may be shown forth, and all living know of Thy power.

So the great secret or mystery is deep where this is mystery that surrounds it. Sounds like the ancient places. And there is a symbol attached to it that will be revealed.

I'm inclined to think that the Symbol is the triangle and circle Symbol the layout of the First City Dalamatia. However, the Banner of the vanguard of righteousness is the Emblem/Banner of Jesus. 3 concentric circles!!

Just amazing another direct match to this journey.

There is nothing like this journey in the whole planet, this journey is completely individual of which there is no replication.

Even the so called big time religious leaders never ever saw this and no one predicted this great discovery and opening of our origins in amongst all the other predictions.

I reckon this is the real stuff, the real thing.

No worries at all, mate!

The Land of Sinim and the Coastlands working together to find the solution, right on!

Praise the Father in the "Kingdom of Heaven" and all his fantastic servants of the past and the present, really spiritual hero's of the Kingdom.

yea!

..note the TOKEN something physical that can be understood.

Here is the commentators own thoughts

Quote:

The document certainly conveys mighty sustenance for a servant who is dedicated to God. It also carries mighty sustenance for those who might elect to join this servant in an awesome demonstration of faith and service.

Lets do it, all of us! Lets kick some goals for the Father and we can do it! There is no doubt about it and takes or asks nothing from anyone except simple faith. That's the point of the journey!

That's why transition will happen now because it will take a thousand years before mankind is ready to enter the Epoch of light and life on this planet, this Era of light and life is like the Utopian era, like the Golden ages but it will not reverse.

At the end of the day this period now is adjustment and correction to get the fact right with accuracy through faith and demonstration. In preparation for the next thousand years.

sevens

posted 11-08-2007 02:04 PM

Hi Ishtar
Im sorry, Im a little confused, what do you mean?

or what do you think the problem is?

I must say I have noted a few things and characteristics that I was familiar with, thats probably why I never ventured and steered away from that path, without being rude...if that makes sense.

sevens

posted 11-08-2007 02:34 PM

The thing that I'm am weary of is the Characteristics of the last rebel and his ability to infect the minds of intelligent man in the way of using him up and then dumping him in a very disloyal way.

You could say that this being of light/darkness has many children on this planet without them even realizing it in most cases.

An example of this can be seen in channeling, in how it begins in a simple and nice way but where it leads to with all the machinations with no outcome of sustainability with damage to the human mind and the soul.

This is where the problem is, people truly get beguiled and sucked in by this character.

Its in an analysis of the course of miracles at the end of the book (the 3rd book) The rebel reveals himself and his technique and its gross.

Its funny that straight after reading the UB on a boat I attempted to read the course of miracles. As soon as I read the first chapter I knew something was wrong in the instant and never ventured further.

I could never explain it until I read the analysis on the Course of Miracles, the pieces fell into place from my own experience where I could explain what I felt.

The whole books is just guided by the rebel through a channel process and is an absolute spiritual fraud that leads the human subject to the eventual control of the last rebel. Cal

Believe me this Cal is an Angel of Light/Darkness he has no loyalty to no human and is nothing to discard the human subject after his purposes are met.

That's is no different to how many human beings operate, they operate in exactly the same way. Business is a prime example of use and abuse or take everything leave nothing behind.

have a good day
sevens

posted 11-10-2007 12:07 PM

Brig, I re-read your post, I didnt read it right and was flippant, sorry, I took out the crap.

What you said is interesting.

I read the article posted by Tom Herbet. I believe its true.

Reflecting about the article makes all sense but I think its goes back alot further. The ruins submerged in the Bay of Cambay is good example of these lost ancient trading cities that did business with Dilmun.

But what we know today is only the tip of the iceberg.

The depth of the Cambay ruins would give you an idea of when they traded and might tell an earlier story of Dilmun.

sevens

posted 11-10-2007 12:34 PM

Hi julia

Yes, about the Ad, I think the Ad in the Quran is a distant reflection the Adites or the Andites of Dilmun to the East and would be in the Lore of the of the people around Aden.

When I was looking into Dilmun of the East I was thinking precisely about Bluehues theory about Aden to what he perceived and discovered is really a reflection of the mythical Lands Dilmun which was near the Heads of the Persian Gulf, in the right area.

I would like to have a look at some of those Myths of the area.

Maybe Bluehue might still be around to share some of those myths so we see if we can find more clues to the area. It could be a bit of a conjunction where our research starts to compliment each other in a really nice way.

It would be good to research the Ad.

Here is a little search I did on the Ad in the Quran sometime ago. Which I think was the distant reflections of the Ad in around that area.

and here is a general link I did 2 years ago looking for all kinds of clues in the Quran to the Ad and of this journey. But I must say I prefer the Urantia Book. I think the Quran adopted much of the truth from the Eastern Christian and Jewish theology. Simple as that!

and here is where I think was a strong hold of the Ad. or the Adites/Andites and was dispersed progressively at several stages from 14000BC-2500BC.

If we can expand on this it could be quite interesting.

I would like to find these myths of up around the Aden area.

Eh Bluehue you around(((((((

Sevens

posted 11-10-2007 07:29 PM Yeah true about the office, having a laugh.

What can I say about the office! Its something I did in the moment. I just did it because I thought it was a good idea at the time particularly after being inspired reading about it in the Zadokite document and by personal experience with the writings of the Essenes of Sevenfold peace and other works.

I just felt touched to do it.

You know but since then I felt the journey and the knowledge defined itself better and I found parallels with Jane Lead and her interpretations of this time regarding the office.

One thing for sure it will take an expedition to verify. If that actually occurs, the verification particularly the discovery and recovery of the Seven commands then the office must be true and in synch.

I'm sure there where many common civilizations that came and went in the Persian Gulf area.

Just has to be

sevens

posted 11-10-2007 11:55 PM

Hi wirelessguru1

quote:

The losers are usually wiped out, including their stories! Either case, winner or loser the real good stories do tend to survive throughout the years, ages and eras as myth...

I agree with you 100%

For any story to last over the eons would have to have some real truth substance to make that impression.

Anything less than that is bye bye, gone for good.

I think people like research that just makes sense and follows good logic with good parallels of truth rather than irrelevance.

for sure!

I think people just cant stand crap at the end of the day, people really desire truth and nothing but.

sevens

U.N.'s Ban says global warming is "an emergency"
This is really getting serious.

Everything seems to be forming a physical conjunction.

they predict an immediate 6 meter rise.

That means imminent problems!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSN0923477720071111

Quote:

U.N.'s Ban says global warming is "an emergency"

By Juan Jose Lagorio

Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:31pm EST

EDUARDO FREI BASE, Antarctica (Reuters) - With prehistoric Antarctic ice sheets melting beneath his feet, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for urgent political action to tackle global warming.

The Antarctic Peninsula has warmed faster than anywhere else on Earth in the last 50 years, making the continent a fitting destination for Ban, who has made climate change a priority since he took office earlier this year.

"I need a political answer. This is an emergency and for emergency situations we need emergency action," he said during a visit to three scientific bases on the barren continent, where temperatures are their highest in about 1,800 years.

Antarctica's ice sheets are nearly 1.5 miles thick on average -- five times the height of the Taipei 101 tower, the world's tallest building. But scientists say they are already showing signs of climate change.

Satellite images show the West Antarctic ice sheet is thinning and may even collapse in the future, causing sea levels to rise.

Amid occasional flurries of snow, Ban flew over melting ice fields in a light plane, where vast chunks of ice the size of six-story buildings could be seen floating off the coast after breaking away from ice shelves.

"All we've seen has been very impressive and beautiful, extraordinarily beautiful," he said late on Friday. "But at the same time it's disturbing. We've seen ... the melting of glaciers."

U.N.'s Ban says global warming is "an emergency"

Ban is preparing for a U.N. climate change conference in Bali, Indonesia, in December, which is expected to kick off talks on a new accord to curb carbon emissions after the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012.

Ban has focused strongly on the environment and held a climate change summit at the United Nations on the eve of the annual General Assembly gathering of world leaders.

On Saturday, he continued his South American tour at Chilean national park Torres del Paine, taking a helicopter tour over Patagonian ice fields that scientists say are melting fast. Ban was flown over a glacier marked by large cracks from ice that has melted and broken away.

"(Climate) change is progressing much faster than I had thought," he said, calling on developed countries in particular to do more.

Ban, the first U.N. chief to visit Antarctica, was also due to visit the Amazon rain forest in Brazil, a leading force in developing biofuels from crops as an alternative to fossil fuels. Fears about climate change have fueled a boom in biofuels.

Despite the controversy of diverting food crops into fuel production, Ban has said alternative energy sources are vital to addressing climate change.

Antarctica -- a continent with only about 80,000 temporary residents -- is 25 percent bigger than Europe and its ice sheets hold 90 percent of the fresh water on the Earth's surface.

sevens

posted 11-11-2007 04:03 PM

Hi BlueHue

How are you? I hope you well.

As you know Im following the fragments that point to the places from many sources.

Last June I discovered a triangular shaped city called Dalamatia as mentioned in the Urantia Book. Ive been using the location of the city as point of reference triangulating the location of Dilmun to the East mentioned also in the Urantia Book. Its a city that was built by the Central Nodite group right after the fall of Dalamatia and of the Sons of God in that city.

Here is a link to Dalamatia City in the middle of the Persian Gulf in the South

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia_new_thumb.jpg
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia_new.jpg

Being built near the Headwaters of the Persian Gulf at around 200,000 years ago the city thrived for 50,000 years when suddenly the population found it difficult to subsist perhaps due to climate change or something, so part of the population the followers of the Nod sect moved to the North in then there territory and built the 2nd new city of Dilmun located more to the North.

or

the 2 dilmuns could have been simultaneously after the fall of Dalamatia City and where both classified as Dilmun to the South and North.

Also when the tower of Babel went down the The Priests went to there homes to the South. Which to me means back to the original home in the South. Dilmun of the East to the South.

Im drawing from the below to establish Dilmun

quote:

After the submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved north and east , presently founding the new city of Dilmun as their racial and cultural headquarters. And about fifty thousand years after the death of Nod, when the offspring of the Prince's staff had become too numerous to find subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding their new city of Dilmun , and after they had reached out to intermarry with the Andonite and Sangik tribes adjoining their borders, it occurred to their leaders that something should be done to preserve their racial unity. Accordingly a council of the tribes was called, and after much deliberation the plan of Bablot, a descendant of Nod, was indorsed.

And this extract to establish there where two Dilmuns, 2 Nodite cities.

quote:

The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun. The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun , the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums.

I'm figuring that the Central group built there City close to the Headwaters

Here is a link to where I think the location lays

Shortly after the destruction of Dalamatia the followers of Nod became divided into three major groups. The central group remained in the immediate vicinity of their original home near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. The eastern group migrated to the highland regions of Elam just east of the Euphrates valley. The western group was situated on the northeastern Syrian shores of the Mediterranean and in adjacent territory.

Here is a link to Dilmun to the North

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dilmun/index.html

I was thinking BlueHue that perhaps the legends and Myths of the Aden area could behold fragments of this ancient city and inhabitants of the area that could reflect the Nodites of Dilmun.

I noticed Julia posted fragments found in the Quran which I believe also is a distant reflection and certainly describes the people to a tee.

I noticed that the entry to the Persian Gulf takes the form of a horseshoe.

Anyway the above is the thread that Im following to give you an idea. I was wondering if there where fragments that you know of that may reflect the existance these very ancient people.

All the best BlueHue

Sevens

posted 11-11-2007 04:26 PM

Hi Julia

I thought those fragments about Hud was very interesting and really describes the Nodite people and Characteristics.

I found the story an interesting type and in metaphor to these times we are in.

Great descriptions and how they built large buildings and towers. They where a large powerful people but they seem arrogant and full of themselves even denying the existence of God.

Amazing, I wonder if there is other independent information outside the Quran that describe these people in this area. If Felt there was some strong parallels with Odyssey in his description of the Entry of the Persian Gulf and references to the Land of Dreams, like the land of past dreams before the fall of the Sons of God.

I suppose that why I believe that Dalamatia City is the Atlantis because thats where the Gods incarnated and where they built a new city, with walls and temples.

Also the city went down by a huge tidal wave.

All matches Plato story. However, I believe Plato incorporates other descriptions which is reminiscent of the other cities.

All in all I believe that Plato does have distortion to some degree but generally I think it beholds many clues that point to the realities of the first place.

Julia, I thought those fragments was great.

Thanks for that

Here is another interesting connection I Found

quote:

050.013
YUSUFALI: The 'Ad, Pharaoh, the brethren of Lut,
(Here is a urantia book search of Lut , a connection that goes back to Dalamatia City and through the Dilmuns in progeny.)
PICKTHAL: And (the tribe of) A'ad, and Pharaoh,

and

here is an interesting piece

quote:

053.050
YUSUFALI: And that it is He Who destroyed the (powerful) ancient 'Ad (people),
PICKTHAL: And that He destroyed the former (tribe of) A'ad,
SHAKIR: And that He did destroy the Ad of old

The Ancient Ad or the Ad of Old must be a reflection of the Central Nodite Group that where around the headwaters of the Persian Gulf and I feel this can be a reflection of the later Andites too.

All the best
Sevens

posted 11-11-2007 05:02 PM

I was just agreeing with you, I dont agree with spiritual violence and imposition through self aggrandizement and glorification based on a self delusion of self dreams which makes no connection normal reality.

sevens

Hi

I been sitting back and researching the Ernest Moyer papers

http://www.world-destiny.org/abducgen.htm

I must say I have been really enjoying this mans research. I feel the Holy Spirit is really strong with this researcher and I feel blessed to read his material.

As I was reading his research I cam across this piece that intrigued me.

I have a feeling that in extension to the UB revelation is this journey in extension to the ancient places.

Quote:

In between Chapters 7 and 14 are intertwined other fragments of the actual revelation with human corruption. This makes the text very difficult to follow. It may be helpful for you to pause at 10:7. This verse describes events of revelation which are now unfolding before your eyes. I shall give it to you as the Greek text has it:

>"Even was finished the mystery of God, as he announced to his servants the prophets."<

The brief remark shows that God's mystery was contained within the Old Testament prophecies, those given by Melchizedek, but now the cloak surrounding the mystery is being removed. A crucial element in that removal was the revelation of The Urantia Papers. Without the Papers we would not have had the proper context to understand the prophecies.

I tell you we must so close to something as we in this journey are revealing the truth of the ancient places.

We must be close to a major revelation where all is revealed.

The ancient places are the hidden treasures that the Son of Man is revealing.

Right now!

and this fragment

Quote:

This also is part of a revelation process, but only if we are sensitive to the information. Equally important, it is revelation with no "proof." We are stuck with making up our individual minds as to the significance, and how we will use it. Can revelatory information, from different sources, be assimilated and correlated to yield a picture of our present planetary conditions, the activities going on, and the decisions we must make for contribution to the future of this world?

To understand those activities, we are forced to put two and two together and read between the lines. From my research I believe a sufficient amount of information has been given to come to sensible comprehension. But this is a very important point. The methodology of our planetary supervisors was to provide information, but not explicitly, about their purpose. They left us with the integration of that information, and the deductions we might make from it. We have been given an opportunity to come to conclusions, ON OUR OWN, about the events transpiring around our planet today. In other words, we have become partners in a remarkable and unique exercise. From those conclusions we will make major life and death decisions toward planetary survival.

The exercise is to determine how planetary residents will respond under conditions of isolation, and scattered revelations with no visible celestial guidance. We are an experimental world. This experiment is one of the most remarkable exercises in this universe, ON A PLANET THAT BELONGS EXCLUSIVELY TO THE CREATOR.

I say yes to above question as we can see in this journey of faith to the heritages of man.

sevens

posted 11-13-2007 01:46 PM

It would be good if you could show some images as you described rather than explaining them so we can see for ourselves.

For all we know this is might a re hash of old research and postings from years ago. Like in this forum all the new threads are reshaped old threads and information. Nothing new!

Why do you bother to post a video that does not work?

really why don't you come clean with some proper images like everyone has been asking.

You either have images or not, even one image.

I think all the talk and intellectual stuff just doesn't cut it as people want to see what you talking about and also to read about it.

People want to see and read about it. Not all the playing games.

Anyway good luck on the premier presentation. I hope it finds conclusion rather leaving everyone in the air as all the docos do these days.

sevens

Member # 3037
posted 11-14-2007 12:11 AM

posted 11-14-2007 12:11 AM

Hi Georgeous

Nice trailer I like the images.

No worries

But when I read the "In the heart of 2 seas" to me its seems also reflective of Dilmun to the East near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. Also "the Kingdom of the Sunset" I feel is also a similar reflection of Dilmun as it was known as the "City of the Rising Sun" which would also reflect the Sunset of the kingdom. Noting Dalamatia was very near by to the West submerged by the sea. The Sunset would of been above submerged Dalamatia looking west from Dilmun towards the Persian Gulf sea to the West.

2350BC seems rather early for Atlantis which was the first place of the Gods which goes back many many thousands of years. I feel many of the symbols are the remnants of culture that migrated to the Iberian coast from the East of which some others went to Ireland.

Also the Egyptians of the early times came from Mesopotamia, East to West. It was the Andites or the Ad which migrated to Egypt and brought all there culture including the myths, symbols and legends of their origins. They migrated due to floods and rising sea levels.

I think Atlantis is somewhere else.

3 Concentric circles are also the symbol of Melchizedek and which is the symbol of Paradise. The Melchizedek adopted this symbol 4000 years ago or the symbol could a representation of the latter stone age culture which came from the East.

Its interesting the very first original Iberians could be connected to the remnants of the Jewish in the first dispersion where they left there sign in the naming of rivers and so forth.

I reckon the timeline your working with maybe the culture in Iberia was more Punic of which came from the east and could be related to part of the lost tribes of Israel??

I had a look around the whole area using NASA worldwind where I could even see the waves and to be honest all I see is smooth ocean floors and nothing that hit me. If there is a lost city it would submerged under meters of sand because I couldn't find a thing. 2350BC it would only been a few meters perhaps more shallow, if that.

Sorry but I dont buy it that Atlantis was of the coast of Cardiz, Perhaps an old city was established at a lower sea level and was wiped out by a tidal wave. No problem with that but it not Atlantis. Atlantis, no way man!

all the best
sevens

Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:23 am
Hi

I thought this was an interesting verse and could become a real reality if it hasn't already.

Quote:

I Enoch 39:1 — And it shall come to pass in those days that elect and holy children will descend from the high heaven, and their seed will become one with the children of men.

It also confirms a rapture process of the elect.

and this

Quote:

But the Levitical priests, the sons of Zadok, who kept the charge of my sanctuary when the people of Israel went astray from me, shall come near to me to minister to me; and they shall attend on me to offer me the fat and the blood, says the Lord GOD.

Actually here is a study on the Cosmic Reserve of Destiny, Personalities in the forfront of Jesus and Melchizedeks spiritual army of truth.

http://www.world-destiny.org/q1/rescorpscomp.htm

Here is a fragment of the research in this paper which I agree with

Quote:

We should not infer that the images in these statements are literal. Just as much of the Dead Sea Material is symbolic, so it is here. The "sons of Zadok" are not literally the sons of ancient Zadok, but refer to those who kept themselves close to God throughout all the centuries. They are Sons of Righteousness. They "kept charge of my sanctuary" when all the other children of Israel departed from their devotion to God. These Departed did not literally depart from the land of Judah, but from the land of Israel, and they did not depart in some spectacular moment in the history of Israel, but departed from devotion to God.

Please note that by "God" I mean Jesus in his role as Creator and Maker of this world and of this universe.

I offer Gaster's version because I feel it better captures the nature of these people:

those elect of Israel that have been designated by name and that shall go on functioning in the last days.

Behold, their names have been specified,

the families into which they are to be born,

the epochs in which they are to function,

the full tale of their tribulations,

the length of their sojourn in exile,

and the precise nature of their deeds.

In my personal view members of the Cosmic Reserve Corps of Destiny are members of this group. They serve in a unique role in the preservation of the people of Israel, those people who now make up a large portion of the people of the United States. The members of this group will help salvage those others, in the imminent world crisis now unfolding.

We can now understand the real nature of the function of this unique group of living human beings.

I wonder which Sanctuary is being discussed? The Heritage of the ages! The Sanctuary can mean temples, I believe the first and second temple s of Dalamatia and 1stEden are the sanctuaries. A sanctuary can also mean a place of refuge and safety which could also be relevant to the journey and these times right now!

Reading the following verses really speaks of this moment in my view and the general reactions and no reactions of people.

Quote:

3:12 . . . Each one doing (what was) his desire. BlankBut with those who remained steadfast in God's precepts.

13 with those who were left from among them. God established his covenant with Israel for ever, revealing to them

14
hidden matters in which all Israel had gone astray; Blank his holy sabbaths and his

15 glorious feasts, his just stipulations and his truthful paths, and the wishes of his will which

16 man must do in order to live by them. Blank He disclosed (these matters) to them and they dug a well of plentiful water;

17 and whoever spurns them shall not live. But they had defiled themselves with human sin and unclean paths,

18 and they had said:
"For this is ours." But God, in his wonderful mysteries, atoned for their iniquity and pardoned their sin.

19 And he built for them a safe home in Israel,
such as there has not been since ancient times, not even till

20 now.
Those who remained steadfast in it will acquire eternal life, and all the glory of Adam is for them.

Well all the above is a complete reflection of all levels concerning this journey to ancient places. Wonderful mysteries and hidden matters not until ancient times...a sanctuary, a refuge that speaks of eternal life for the steadfast....it all speaks of this journey to the ancient places with unfinished business.

The mention of Adam is another inclusion pointing to 1stEden which was discovered and verified through the wall in 2004, the ancient places in the Persian Gulf are part of the 1stEden journey and has not stopped since.

Inst that exactly what is happening in the journey to the ancient places, first information is disclosed by the Father and the Angels and through the action of the fragment of the Father within and the Holy Spirit, on the run and second, we find ourselves on the journey to the ancient places digging into water to verify the existences of the cities and in metaphor the water means truth and knowledge where it is plentiful and remember it is a sanctuary of the ancient times with disclosed matters about the history of these places with the aid and guidance of a new book written by the finger of God so to speak!

A complete fulfillment so far

yea!

sevens

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:31 am
Habukkak 16:5

Quote:

Again, it refers to future traitors—

that is, to the lawless men who will betray the Covenant and not believe

when they hear all the things that are to come upon the final age duly related

by the Priest whom God appoints to interpret in those days all

the words of His servants the prophets by whom He has told of that impending disaster.

sevens

posted 11-14-2007 03:05 PM

Hi Docyabut

The Gods or better still the midwayers who help man do have origins that come from 2 places.

The primary midwayers have their origins in Dalamatia City and the secondary midwayers come from North Eastern Iran at the headquarters of Van, the angels who assist man do have origins. Like with mankind they also have their origins from one place.

Like with Atlantis it is the origins of man, civilization coming from one place, one location.

At 2350BC or 1500BC there were civilizations and many of then where migrating everywhere but the origins go much further back to a long lost city in the Persian Gulf which did harbor the long lost civilisations of man. That I am finding today which match's with the information available.

Also I looked at the area using worldwind software and I couldn't find a thing like what I see in the Persian Gulf.

Even with 1st Susa that went down 6000BC you can see the anomalies. In the case of Eastern Spain nothing that I can see.

I think the artifacts that Georgous is finding are simply cultural artifacts that belong to many later stone age settlements where the symbolism the circles derives from the Middle East. In bringing the culture from Mesopotamia they brought there symbols and legends of distorted stories of the origins.

The people in those days where moon and sun worshipers and they had stone circle temples. Its simple as that.

That is the latter stone age period for the area.

sevens

sevens

Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:27 am
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Page 1915:

And now concerning the travail of Jerusalem, about which I have spoken to you, even this generation will not pass away until my words are fulfilled; but concerning the times of the coming again of the Son of Man, no one in heaven or on earth may presume to speak. But you should be wise regarding the ripening of an age; you should be alert to discern the signs of the times. You know when the fig tree shows its tender branches and puts forth its leaves that summer is near. Likewise, when the world has passed through the long winter of material-mindedness and you discern the coming of the spiritual springtime of a new dispensation, should you know that the summertime of a new visitation draws near

it must be soon

and

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Isa 28:9-13

9 "Whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message? Those who are weaned from the milk, those taken from the breast?
10 For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little."
11 Nay, but by men of strange lips and with an alien tongue the LORD will speak to this people,

12 to whom he has said, "This is rest; give rest to the weary; and this is repose";
yet they would not hear.
13 Therefore the word of the LORD will be to them precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little; that they may go, and
fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

sounds dire if one walks in ignorance and stiff necked.

and

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"But if the servant is slothful and begins to say in his heart, 'My master delays his coming,' and begins to mistreat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunken, then the lord of that servant will come at a time when he looks not for him and, finding him unfaithful, will cast him out in disgrace. Therefore you do well to prepare yourselves for that day when you will be visited suddenly and in an unexpected manner. Remember, much has been given to you; therefore will much be required of you.

Fiery trials are drawing near you. I have a baptism to be baptized with, and I am on watch until this is accomplished. You preach peace on earth, but my mission will not bring peace in the material affairs of men-not for a time, at least. Division can only be the result where two members of a family believe in me and three members reject this gospel. Friends, relatives, and loved ones are destined to be set against each other by the gospel you preach. True, each of these believers shall have great and lasting peace in his own heart, but peace on earth will not come until all are willing to believe and enter into their glorious inheritance of sonship with God. Nevertheless, go into all the world proclaiming this gospel to all nations, to every man, woman, and child."

sevens

Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:27 am
The Latest image

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia_city.htm

I think the triangle city looks impressive.

Full of mystery and heritage.

By the way the 3 circle in a triangle symbol can be followed all the way to Vans headquarters and then to on top of the Acropolis Hill of 1st Eden, the three co-planar circles is the Symbol of Van.

Another similar symbol can also be found in Babel in Dilmun to the North, the great pyramid, on top of the entry of Jesus' family tomb and even on Mars near the face. All great symbol are coming into a conjunction of truth along the thread.

Its an amazing connection and truth resurfacing.

Sevens

posted 11-15-2007 01:57 PM

One thing I now for sure that this project is not a result of group consciousness. Thats for sure!

Its a on your own journey, no group therapy here. I think that is a real pity and demonstrates the real spiritual level of man in some degrees. I just think this journey is supernal of the highest estate but I think man has generally spurned, rejected and buried this project in this particular direction.

But then again this was all foreseen.

But you know I don't care what man thinks of this, essentially he is an idiot anyway, led by idiots and fools in most cases.

I'm just doing my job and if man gets his arse kicked in this thats his fault and only proves that man is an fool and lead by idiots who know nothing.

regards
sevens

Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:27 am
Just been reflecting on this part
Quote:

Fiery trials are drawing near you. I have a baptism to be baptized with, and I am on watch until this is accomplished. You preach peace on earth, but my mission will not bring peace in the material affairs of men-not for a time, at least. Division can only be the result where two members of a family believe in me and three members reject this gospel. Friends, relatives, and loved ones are destined to be set against each other by the gospel you preach. True, each of these believers shall have great and lasting peace in his own heart, but peace on earth will not come until all are willing to believe and enter into their glorious inheritance of sonship with God. Nevertheless, go into all the world proclaiming this gospel to all nations, to every man, woman, and child."

Looks like its a ratio is of 1/3 will believe and the rest give the Jesus message for today the JOHN WEST REJECT treatment

Now this I believe would include the Christian community which to me concerns me. Actually I find it amazing that 2/3rds of the Christians reject the final message.

The rest of the world forget about it, they are a lost cause. They will not make it at all!

If this doesn't bring about some enquiry in this time....forget about it! they are already gone and finished.

I think this process is much deeper than what Christians think and Christians have really got to study everything about this whole thing.

Quote:

""This is rest; give rest to the weary; and this is repose"; yet they would not hear.

Well that is the truth of the matter. Everyone will reject this opportunity of faith and realisation, essentially because man has become a fool, liar, cheat and evil in his thoughts, he is full of crap (must be to much crap on idiota TV his real GOD) Remaining in that framework he virtually extincts himself.

Like the walking hulks, the walking dead! Like Zombies! Ready for the final curtain and in complete and total blindness with mighty ignorance. So stupid! I don't even have much compassion for him. Sorry! Walking Hulk of nothing, brainless, the living dead!

Isaiah thinks its 10% that will survive, Jesus feels its 1/3 that will survive but is that 1/3 of the Christian Body?? Does that mean 2/3rds of the Christian Body will not survive because of arrogance and pride including inaccurate interpretation of man made doctrine?? And not to mention judgement on others including real slothfulness when it comes to the expanded truth that is arising!!

The odds are not good!

The only advice I can give for pride filled unbelievers is be at least half hearted, that is OK. Even if your half hearted you will survive.

Even faith of a mustard seed is fine.

But just by the skin of your teeth! Nothing to be proud of! That's for sure and there will be shame for not doing a thing for anyone because of selfishness and self crap!.

regards
Sevens

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:03 am
I thought this was interesting to.

Here is some good advise for this time and also reveals this exact process that I have been going through in my view. Discoveries in parallel with the scriptures in the physical through the time space adventure.

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Page 1112 -- Revelation teaches mortal man that, to start such a magnificent and intriguing adventure through space by means of the progression of time, he should begin by the organization of knowledge into idea-decisions;

next,

mandate wisdom to labor unremittingly at its noble task of transforming self-possessed ideas into increasingly practical but nonetheless supernal ideals, even those concepts which are so reasonable as ideas and so logical as ideals that the (Spirit of the Father) dares so to combine and spiritize them as to render them available for such association in the finite mind as will constitute them the actual human complement thus made ready for the action of the Truth Spirit of the Sons, the time-space manifestations of Paradise truth--universal truth.

The co-ordination of idea-decisions, logical ideals, and divine truth constitutes the possession of a righteous character, the prerequisite for mortal admission to the ever-expanding and increasingly spiritual realities of the heavenly worlds.

Obviously there is such thing as spiritual creative evolution.

Fantastic advise and is exactly the path that I have been adventuring on.

The path to the ancient places are just so fantastic. Its is just so brilliant that no man could even come close to put this together.

all the best

Sevens

You know if people don't wake up to themselves concerning these things, then they are BLOODY IDIOTS. FAIR DINKUM its just ridiculous how far away man is from the Father. Even in religion!

Quote:

Isaiah 49:8-13
At the time of my favor I will answer you; in a day of my salvation I will help you. I have kept you. I will give you as a covenant for the people, to rouse up the earth, to cause to inherit the forgotten heritages.

Saying to the prisoners, 'Come forth,' and to those who are in darkness, 'Show yourselves.' They shall feed along the way;(ON THE RUN AS WE GO) on all the bare heights shall be their pasture.

They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither scorching wind nor sun shall smite them. For he that has pity on them

sevens

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:20 am
You know if people don't wake up to themselves concerning these things, then they are BLOODY IDIOTS. FAIR DINKUM its just ridiculous how far away man is from the Father. Even in religion!

Quote:

Isaiah 49:8-13
At the time of my favor I will answer you; in a day of my salvation I will help you. I have kept you. I will give you as a covenant for the people, to rouse up the earth, to cause to inherit the forgotten heritages.

Saying to the prisoners, 'Come forth,' and to those who are in darkness, 'Show yourselves.' They shall feed along the way;(ON THE RUN AS WE GO) on all the bare heights shall be their pasture.

They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither scorching wind nor sun shall smite them. For he that has pity on them

Right on Father in Heaven!

The 3 main components here

is "a covenant" which is directly related to the physical Quest for the Seven commands and in metaphor is coupled with the complimentary spiritual experience. A new promise is made.

to "to rouse up the earth" Thats right, to talk about it, proclaim it and to reveal it on the run, the discoveries and the journey to the places. In the beforehand on the the run.

"to cause to inherit the forgotten heritages." To bring the truth about and make the full connection and parallel in the discovery. To cause people to look again and consider which enables them to inherit the heritages which are the crowns and the treasure houses of the planet.

Its all in the books and makes full connection in my mind and in my personal experience in this journey of the ages a virtual real journey of mankind and the Seven Paradise parallel.

I just think its just so majestic and grand, completely mighty and the beautiful in full glory.

The whole construct! and how it plays out in the reality of time-space and in the manifestation that was foreseen regarding the heritages. Amazing, true glory of the Father.

sevens

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:50 am
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shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

Behold, these shall come from far: and lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

Sing, for joy, O heavens; and exalt, O earth! Break forth O mountains into singing. For Yahweh has comforted his people, and will have compassion on his afflicted.

Good ole Australia/Sinim, the great sunburnt Land of Sinim where all this comes from. Good ole aussie Digga way!

Praise the Lord 100% and digging away all the time in the great Sinim spirit.

Kick some Goals for God in the Land of Sinim way.

yea!

Sevens

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:50 am
Quote:

shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

Behold, these shall come from far: and lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

Sing, for joy, O heavens; and exalt, O earth! Break forth O mountains into singing. For Yahweh has comforted his people, and will have compassion on his afflicted.

Good ole Australia/Sinim, the great sunburnt Land of Sinim where all this comes from. Good ole aussie Digga way!

Praise the Lord 100% and digging away all the time in the great Sinim spirit.

Kick some Goals for God in the Land of Sinim way.

yea!

Quote:

shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

The Father will lead man through the springs of truth and knowledge and he will guide them and to make a new covenant with the followers of the springs of truth.

Quote:

And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

In the journey to the ancient places through the books of all religion, through the springs of truth and understanding where all his places of significants of the past will be exalted and lift up in the heavens, the "Kingdom of Heaven" The ancient places form a highway that leads directly to a new book but in complete harmony with all the books of Religion.

Quote:

Behold, these shall come from far: and lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

These ancient cities will be in isolated and in multiple places, high and lo which I feel refers to underwater, submerged or under rubble. From the North and West, in multiple places where these places are discovered from afar in the Land of Sinim, to the East which is the land oZ.

Quote:

Sing, for joy, O heavens; and exalt, O earth! Break forth O mountains into singing. For Yahweh has comforted his people, and will have compassion on his afflicted.

This to me is the acknowledgment and confirmation of everything about this whole search to the places, the mountains. Even the heavens acknowledge and do sing forth for the Father has acknowledged our cries and this I believe is the confirmation of the things to come as was seen many thousands of years before this time.

We have to be close to something!

Sevens

Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:05 am
I will give you as a covenant for the people, to rouse up the earth, to cause to inherit the forgotten heritages.

Well thats it from the land of Sinim, now its up to the COASTLANDS Eh!

I have to be honest, Since I discovered Ernest Moyes work I think he is pretty close to the voice of the coastlands in the truth that sees in his journey. I think alot of it is really good stuff and I find his work is read easy to read and understand.

Anyway the Coastlands have to do a search in all of this and bring it out in there research while we have opportunity.

I reckon this is the time based on the above Isaiah fragment. I think I have fulfilled some of the scriptures here in this journey to the heritages and everyone is a witness to the journey. I mean I can see it as plain as day as wet as rainfall.

I think this is a major achievement for religion for the benefit of mankind. Going places that we have never ventured to with attached information.

All the best

Sevens

Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:47 am the proposal of the expeditions

On the basis of following the co planar rings symbol, I propose that a third expedition is warranted to 1st Eden of Cyprus to examine the Acropolis Hill on both sides and on top with video footage of the whole cone especially directing attention to the 3 co planar rings that exist there.

Simultaneously I feel an expedition should be launched in the Southern Persian Gulf to Verify the lost city of Dalamatia and the 3 co planar features that is centered in the middle of the triangle city.

If both 3 rings could be proven in both places and in addition the recovery and the verification of stone slabs with the inscribed 7 commands. The final confirmation. A triune discovery of the link in symbolism and design connected together through Van and Amadon, the connection of the first and second temple would then be proven in symbolism.

And if by chance the Van vestiges could proven in Iran that would be an additional benefit and connection.

That would be the proposal from the Office of the Messiah.

It could be a worldwide simultaneous cast of two expeditions to link up in symbolism of the 2 cities. Then third expedition to locate the rings of Van in North Eastern Iran. Another connection to the truth of the matter and which could be a triune exploration and verification.

That would be to the glory of the Father in the "Kingdom of Heaven".

That would be the way. A triune worldwide event of the ages of discovery linked by the 3 co planar circles.

Going a step further why not include the Nodite cities including 1stSusa. All simultaneous and verified! That would link up the triangle and single circle symbol that perpetuated through the Andites, Egyptian, to Jesus Family tomb then to Mars and Jerusem. The whole line to the Capitals..

Eh and not to mention the Vees from inside Jesus family and its connection to the Veees of Dalamatia and to Mars Veees and circle symbol near the face of Mars. It just goes on and on.

Sevens

Sevens

posted 11-17-2007 02:15 PM

Wirelessguru1

It almost sounds like atomic research in line with the construct of atoms and its pieces.

I suppose it what is within us and our construct that form the decision process and filtering process of whether we have enough wisdom is select the positive or the negative road.

It all comes to choice and independence of choice and freedom to express choice bet it negative or positive. I think the forums are a good place for the filtering process as all information is processed and filtered as is guided from within all of us.

As we scrutinize leaving no stone unturned we find better truth with further expansion of our reality. For me in my journey to the first places I find this kind of reality where it is more of the spiritual nature combined with a timeline manifestation based on logical decision and being teachable at the same time to further the thought through the research of the evolution and expansion of the journey in the timeline of the first places.

Anyway brother, Im am very hopeful that this whole journey of truth and expansion is leading to the waters of great things for us all. Its just majestic the reality I see.

I really feel that the truth of all things is having an effect some where along the line. I think much is being filtered and discarded along the way as what is being presented doesn't match up according to certain standards of truth.

I believe where there is light there is no darkness and I believe truth dispels negativity and self realisation of who we are and what we are a part of is very positive. We are all venturing towards the light of truth.

I reckon something good for mankind is happening man.

Brotherhood and fraternity is a good thing and is one of the most positive and antisocial thing to do. Its always been apart of man creative evolution.

Brotherhood is simply friendship and the sharing of ideas and thoughts.

Sevens

posted 11-17-2007 07:22 PM

Amazing image of the meteorite Wirelessguru1

Incredible, the expansion of it and particularly in the timeline.

http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/faculty/jewitt/images/holmes_jewitt_071109.jpg

I also agree with you that the truth of the universe has to come where the truth of all things will set the proper order of a successful brotherhood.

Its only through brotherhood of truth, beauty and goodness that we shall enter the realms of light and life.

Setting the Order means dispelling negativity and ignorance through the discovery of truth undeniable across the board.

The Universe paradise or "the Kingdom of Heaven" is a very positive place, it only stands to reason that its all positive and thats where our true destiny lays. Positivity!

I'm positive about the future because in that spirit all the universe is behind you. I feel they do respond in the timeline manifestation of realities, that's why patience and wisdom is the key to time and manifestation being led and guided.

All ready I'm starting to see positive signs showing some light, like in Iraq where there is a reduction in terrorism, I think that is a great sign, perhaps enlightenment and having a marker to make a good bearing from is the key. That marker in my view is truth and understanding.

This why I feel that this journey through the ancient places may have a positive effect on mankind which in my mind has soothing balm to the soul with its truth in an exciting journey for the families of the world.

The adventure, mystery, discovery and verification along with a huge import of the truth of the journey from all the books. The Testamony, the ark of the testament.

This is light from the soul of man in its essence and that is precisely why this journey will have sustainability while false truth that compels man to murder families will never last.

Well there is a lot to consider for man on every level of existence. He has to really think about his decisions based on the truth as discovered.

The truth being expanded currently is about the survival of us and as a species not to mention the planet.

Its the fight for mankind current being waged right now in the principalities of positive and negative.

Anyway brother, I think we are well on the road for a bright future with hope and those who walk in truth will be absolutely safe as the planet goes through the Abyss. The elect which can be anyone and the faithful will be safe and we will all be successful in the eyes of the universe whose gaze is really upon us NOW. I really do have faith in the teaching of Jesus where he provided the positive news and I can really see his words and the prophets come to pass. I believe its truth that we can have full confidence in whether one is half hearted or not but willing to look into it.

That is the key, faith and in the demonstration through the timeline manifestation. This is how Paradise speaks to us in this manifestation.

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 05:08 AM

Hey wireless
http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/faculty/jewitt/holmes.html

isn't there a Mother Shipton prophecy of the blue comet and the changes it brings to this planet as it passes through our vicinity. isn't the same kind of thing contained in Revelation somewhere.

Ah I thought the synchronicity was interesting in the current discussion.

Here is a Mother Shipton link

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 12:11 PM

Right If I where the government of the Land of Sinim, these would be the things I would anticipate.

I would expect that under a major sea rise of 6 meters. Most of our infrastructure and homes would be inundated in low lying areas.

So therefore you would have a moving population.

There would be very little water and food not to mention proper shelter.

If I where a government I would release and begin to produce Tesla technology so that each device could provide power from the atmosphere to run there tent.

Civilization will be living in tents, if this event occurs, so therefore I would mass produce tents or some unit for accommodation.

I would mass produce water distillery units run by solar energy and devices to capture water from atmosphere.

These systems would provide power to households and to enable them to run the community grow houses run by these systems.

The whole exercise is to produce energy independence and each energy devise must be able to me made with simple components that can be basically manufactured in temporary conditions.

In situations like this the profit motive will have to taken out as that will not ensure our survival.

Life would have to be community based with brotherhood in able to survive the last remnants of civilization.

Most infrastructure would be destroyed or obsolete.

There would little resources available and the energy devices must be independent of Sun. These systems may have to operate riding on the natural energy in the atmosphere running on DC energy.

Bore water locations would have to be sought out in inland and upper areas so its contents can be relocated and provide clean drinking water.

The key is that all suppressed knowledge of these energy devices have to be released right know and worked on freely.

That was probably the purpose of these discoveries in the early 20th century for this impending time of change.

Sites for a tent civilization should scouted out now and provisions should be made now for the population.

They key is independent tesla energy devices that can be used in a home independently running grow houses. A civilization that is independent but community based. Back to village life.

Natural materials that can be easily manufactured using natural products.

All knowledge to should be stored safely or else all knowledge and skill will be lost.

If the above images and the prophecy of them is the sign then all governments should plan now.

But I doubt that they will as they may be faraway from this scenario in there minds.

It could be a Noah scenario and the planning fro the survival of civilization is the boat where there will be the gathering of knowledge and resources and useful animals.

It would take a great leader to make this happen.

In the Land of Sinim we have elections soon. Looking at the leaders talk and seeing the impending scenario make all there words look frivolous and out of touch. They cant help civilization when it comes to this impending scenario. They would be the ones running for cover and dumping the rest.

Its really up to man himself to take the lead and this is where the churches should help but they only save themselves to.

Well then the only option is really the rapture of the elect and faithful to be saved as a remnant because all else due to a lack of planning by our leaders now will be gone.

Mankind is to far distracted at the moment and hell bent on power and war and I believe out of touch with the spiritual forces of the Universe and Paradise.

Man will become an animal when it comes to food, water and shelter. They will maurade en mass and in groups looking for sustainability. Morals will be compromised if we dont plan NOW!

Also I want to say that the last rebel on this planet is out to destroy civilisation through a web a blindness that is over man. I feel the motive is to divide man and distract him from seeing the signs. The planet does not worship the rebel and the rebel is therefore out to destroy man through man through nature whereby we miss the signs and plan not as we go through the abyss.

Wisdom is the only thing that will save us and planning now is the key.

I personally am not fearful as I know the Father is in control of this and provisions have been made by Paradise to save man. Thank you Jesus! Man is safe in light of any disaster which only means failure of the rebels plans.

If this message was the absolute correct thing and right on the money, I dont know if it will go anywhere. No one will act on this research and if there is a reaction it would be limited. The world is being deceived and is really blinded to the signs.

Positive plans of the survival of civilization based on simple but effective perpetual technology have to drawn up now.

It would be the best thing for governments to do and it would be good election thing to but then its in the doing not the talking. Make it an issue

"Plans of survival under the conditions of a sudden 6 meter sea level rise"

CSIRO should be looking at perpetual energy and grow houses and water vapor capturing devices and tent making facilities. In addition, all resources should be located and knowledge with plans for mining the resources for the community to build infrastructure. ...no profit!

Profit is pet reason why man is in this scenario, the lust for profit tap without wisdom for the planet.

It been all distraction! the whole lot.

quote:

U.N.'s Ban says global warming is "an emergency"

http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSN0923477720071111

Man of Action...Ban

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 01:25 PM

I know in the Urantia Book the Ancient of Days are desirous that our New Society and its construct be based on another civilisation on a sister sphere.

Just a hint there are no cities on this continent and its a little different.

Unfortunately, the model we have today is bring us to death and destruction and planetary failure. I think the effect that our society is having on the planet is unsustainable.

I would plan in both scenarios of Cold and hot with not much water around. It could be that the Leyland brothers water making technique might be a the key. Collecting water from evaporation and from the atmosphere and bore with may be some really effective desalination.

Again the key is perpetual small energy devices that run on the planets energy circuits, energy from the atmosphere, DC energy. Also I would develop anti gravity systems now.

I would develop and plan now for a bleak time in the planet and save useful knowledge for the new world heading for utopia.

I tell you Jesus words and the words of the prophets and seers will save us. Only brotherhood and the wisdom of Jesus will get us through. It maybe primitive for a while but we will get through and adjust. But the community of brotherhood like with Essenes will get mankind through.

This community should be organized now.

This is where religion should come into play in building this community and advising the leaders but don't think thats going to happen and if it does it would be shallow advice.

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 02:08 PM

I just really thank the Father for bringing personalities to this planet such as these excellent individuals who bring light into the world through there creativity and releasing knowledge for the benefit of the future and for mankind

http://www.break.com/index/anti_gravity_trick.html

Anti Gravity Trick - Watch more free videos

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This is the key to our problems and our planetary community.

This should be developed now and all suppression should be lifted in the name of survival of our species in light of the impending changes seen in prophecy.

This would be the key to our transport problems that would use the energy circuits of the planet to provide mobility and energy.

Sevens

Here is another form of technology that can be used for the new world and the going through the changes.

Make ANTI-GRAVITY Bubbles ! - Free videos are just a click away

http://www.break.com/index/gravity_balls.html

Anti-Gravity Balls - Watch more free videos

and here is an anti gravity lifter

more anti gravity

Anti gravity

When they say that Nuclear energy is the only answer. What a croc of crap that one is.

As you can see we don't need nuclear energy nor do we have to be dependent for our energy and transportation needs or even growing needs in independent growing houses. Particularly of the planet goes through the abyss and we certainly don't need whale oil.

sevens

posted 11-18-2007 04:01 PM

I thought I saw these images 5 years ago

Nothing new since then, same ole dribble.

I just get really sick of the same repetitive self serving crap of your ego with any drawing from anything else.

Pure Self indulgence to the max without any objectivity based anything that is said.

Riven some ole dribble that means nothing to no one because it doesn't make sense.

I reckon this is the type of stuff that wastes man time.

All it is "Is look at me Im the king serve me according to my self vain glory imagination"

What a piece of crap, man needs needs more help than your absolute garbage.

sevens

posted 11-18-2007 04:01 Pm

quote:

Dear Sevens: Do you think Dilmun was an Elamite City?Or Sumerian?I know Elamites and Sumerians are related But, I think Elamites appeared later.
Where in the Sumerian myths talks about Dilmun?

Hi Julia I gave you a response but Riven Edited the response out, he is the moderator of this stupid thread.

He is a piece crap who walk the line of untruth.

He is so gutless as to take out people response because he is weak and fearful and he cannot overcome because he has nothing to offer and never did as if it never existed.

He probably supping with his rebel mate!

sevens

posted 11-18-2007 05:24 PM

Here is a fragment from the following link.

http://www.world-destiny.org/gvd.htm#5

quote:

Further indication of this new work of revelation is also implied in the brief passage of Rev 10:7. Revelation will take place to end the mystery, to remove it once and for all. This, in turn, would imply the action of individuals to bring understanding to their fellow men. Since this action comes at the sound of the seventh trumpet , during the period of severe earth afflictions, the mystery will be removed at the end of the age.

The remark in John's Revelation follows closely with the remarks from Daniel and from Jesus' statements in Matthew 24. All three sources indicate new revelation in the last days of the earth age, associated with great afflictions and persecutions.

Elsewhere God described these agents of his new revelation. They will not come in familiar garb. They will not use familiar phrases. They will not be naive youngsters. They will come with an understanding of God's will, not merely from the Bible, but in a larger context of physical and universe reality; little facts here and little facts there, precepts and ideas and thoughts beyond the confines of blind Judaism or Christianity.

To whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message? Those who are weaned from the milk, those taken from the breast? For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little. Nay, but by men of strange lips and with an alien tongue the LORD will speak to his people. To whom he said, "This is rest, give rest to the weary, and this is repose." Yet they would not listen. Therefore, the word of the LORD will be to them precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little That they may go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Isa 28:9-13.

We should pay careful heed to this revelation. An alien tongue is one which has no familiar place in familiar religious circles. These servants come with a language which is startling to ears that seek security in the comfort of old worn phrases. The new revelation reaches beyond the boundaries of traditional precepts and conventional theologies. Men never heard such things. Because these revelations are beyond the realm of traditional thought Jews and Christians will grasp in bewilderment. Many will reject and be lost.

I discovered this researcher about a month ago, similar to me uses the UB as a base and follows through all the texts of religion.

I reckon this researcher is right on it and is one of the best researchers I have studied.

I have confidence in his research.

All ready he is picking up the mystery while this section of the work is revealing the last great mystery. Which the Sevenfold Angels will call in with the Seventh trumpet, Seven ...sounds familiar??

Off course the work is part of the operations of the Cosmic Sons of Destiny...mortals working directly with the Paradise deities for the positive destiny of the planet!

Sevens

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject:

I tend to think 11:11 and the people who support and promote it are getting a little carried away with themselves where it borders on psychic superstition.

I reckon just about all the psychic stuff is rubbish and can be very misleading!

Upon seeing 11:11 I would simply have a chuckle! and that's it.

The people promoting it have not produced any results of demonstration at all that is useful to the transition with all there psychic stuff, its just another miracle seeking thing.

I am not interested in that superstition and I'm not interested in the people promoting it...they should know much better than that!

They should really grow up a little! and get on to the real things in life, in this current time.

Those kind of things should never be relied upon.

Dont mean to upset anyone but that's how I feel seeing what I see in this journey!

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 06:17 PM

Hi Brig, maybe on the first post no worries.

However on the second post about ice, the expansion of water is dependent of the temperature of the water, as the temperature of the water rises, it expands to a greater volume. That would be the problem with all the extra water.

Man!! The Tuvalu natives are a point in case.

They have virtually lost there homeland undeniable due to this problem. While we sit at home comfortable and disconnected in full truth! Only believing what we want to believe even to the point of denial and ignorance.

sevens

posted 11-18-2007 06:34 PM Hey Wirelessguru is my friend least he shares and his ideas and I try to think on his level to find connection and parallel.

I would never recommend any family or young person to listen to your threads they are unsubstantiated and all of it is wrong man.

I like Epsilon and Nikas far better than you, your the worst of the worst! But there OK ahahahahah!

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 06:48 PM

I know that's why his information will never stand any testing.

Least with what we do is lay a plausible foundation with many links as possible to run the theory. A theory of thought that can be expanded upon with other researchers to make the image more complete.

Listening to Riven is just offal, no one can make head or tale of it..just crap. Its not even inspiring seeing that he talks in this death and destruction vain and does not seek to find any solution at all that could be expanded on with practicality.

You will never get a direct answer because he knows NOT! and will never know until he gets of his high horse with his veiled threats.

Its he that should be in repentance to the Father of the Universe for his spiritual arrogance and wrongness and get on with it and be a part of this new world we are about to enter.

His truth would never save us but would bring us back to death and destruction with no revelatory value without nor gravity nor weight.

Its a really hopeless case.

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 06:51 PM

For sure wirelessguru.

Always friends mate, we seek to find the truth of the matter. No matter how varying our ideas we are in brotherhood and that always lasts as that is an eternal feature that does exist for evermore no matter the circumstance nor on what level of existence.

One thing I know as we venture in the path truth we are Sons of the light and we can stand tall and proud of what we do in a daily inquiry of the Father of all things within us.

I know the Father in heaven is happy that mankind does inquire in all things. But then all things are being tested and alot rubbish is being sorted out by us all.

What rings truth stays and what is false is out the door. I'm just sick of false things and false proclamations without demonstration. Nothing that could be built upon using all methods which includes science and independent evaluation.

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 07:18 PM

Brig,

I mean to say,

We have droughts, wars, injustice all over the world, Blue comets coming our way or in the vicinity, we have discoveries of our origins and warnings.

What more does man need regarding the grave signs.

It just hopeless man will not respond quick enough with the right stuff!

He just to bloody want because he is to disconnected and laxs.

If rapture is the only viable option because of mans laziness then the elect will be surely missed and there words will be there only witness to what the remnant will go through.

And that will be mankind's failure and shame, great shame for not reacting in the appropriate ways as recommended by the prophets and seers.

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 06:51 PM

For sure wirelessguru.

Always friends mate, we seek to find the truth of the matter. No matter how varying our ideas we are in brotherhood and that always lasts as that is an eternal feature that does exist for evermore no matter the circumstance nor on what level of existence.

One thing I know as we venture in the path truth we are Sons of the light and we can stand tall and proud of what we do in a daily inquiry of the Father of all things within us.

I know the Father in heaven is happy that mankind does inquire in all things. But then all things are being tested and alot rubbish is being sorted out by all of us all.

What rings truth stays and what is false is out the door. I'm just sick of false things and false proclamations without demonstration. Nothing that could be built upon using all methods which includes science and independent evaluation.

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 07:22 PM

I know presently wirelessguru,

You can see it all coming out of the woodwork, people who claim they have Satan's Heart are seeing it in reverse, they are held by Satan's heart with false doctrine and false words about there pitiful self.

Just the fact there is a relationship with Satans heart entertained by RIVEN contradicts the prophets outright advise which is have nothing to with the last rebel. Absolutely nothing.

He perverts mans mind as we can see.

sevens

posted 11-18-2007 07:29 PM

Now Riven would be so angry with me he would be projecting his Psychic darts of warfare, but I reject that too.

They will never penetrate this Sevenfold operation.

Sevens

posted 11-18-2007 07:41 PM

Hey Wirelessguru thanks.

I have to watch for my own negativity.

Anyway I said what I wanted to say I just had to say and get out of me, I mean no harm but I wish there be better truth than yesterday truth.

thanks again

sevens

posted 11-18-2007 08:00 PM

You know wirelessguru.

It will be like this.

One day in the future in the kingdom of heaven.

III be sitting at coffee shop near the pearly gates being served a really nice morontia coffee when suddenly this gentleman walking by will be compelled to sit at my table Then this gentleman will speak in terms that I am familiar with. When I hear his conversation I will know exactly who it is and where he came from.  The great state of California.

And at that point of realization we will just have the biggest laugh and be in the greatest joy of accomplishment.

Thats is the hope in faith I look to.

In the simplest things but with great joy of eternal life and satisfaction that we made it through the abyss on this wayward planet.

That table is open to anyone!

Sevens

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject:

Kreneep, no worries at all.

I myself see them 1111 all the time and I have made note of them and chuckled. May its a little symbolism for reassurance but I dont think it should be more than that.

In the transition it wont come about through channels or anything like that.

It will be purely through the words of all the prophets and seers of relevance with man with God unlocking and discovering the greatest Sevenfold mystery on the planet. The Heritages of the Ages which are ours!

All done by faith and in the timeline manifestation of the final reality. Where all components start to fit in place.

Soothsayers and channelers and all those people who subvert the urantia truth to serve there ends wont be part of this realization including those who pretend to manifest the midwayers and pitch all this waffle.

Midwayers have more class than that and they know its by faith only. There is no between, its just straight God and Man together through the action of thought adjuster and nothing in between. Gone are the days of the so called Gurus.

Thats why when they say stuff it never come to pass. Because they cant respond and the so called messages are just there own minds and spiritual ego.

When it comes to truth in backyards they run for cover like spiritual cowards.

Find your own truth as you are. The UB is a great book and it will take a lifetime to get through it all. No one needs these soothsayers they just confuse the issues greatly with more distraction to the real things of life.

There is enough to keep us all occupied without the the burden of these psychcic phoenomenaists hatching attention to themselves.

There is only way that this place will transition and thats through the Jesus way through his teachings and the guidance he gives as we walk in pure faith alone and yet being responsible.

All the best
sevens

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject:

Hi

I dont discount it I just think its been taken too far and out of context for what I believe was a symbol of simple reassurance.

sevens

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject:

 phoenomenon of things of seven

I dont think me using Sevens or the a sevens pattern is psychic phenomena.

Sevens was a nickname that I chose since it was practical as it relates to my research site as in the name, I lost my password on my original nickname.

I think the fact that universe is underpinned by a Seven reflection is more in pattern rather than Pshycic phoenomena. I think its more pattern rather than pshycic. Its not as If something told me use the Sevens pattern luke and use this name. It all come from within not looking at external forces not like in a channeling thing or trance like condition.

Purely a conscious decision on my part.

All the work leading to the places is nothing but the books and working through them in a focalised fashion.

I would say that my journey would be based on this.

 Quote: Page 1112 -- Revelation teaches mortal man that, to start such a magnificent and intriguing adventure through space by means of the progression of time, he should begin by the organization of knowledge into idea-decisions; next, mandate wisdom to labor unremittingly at its noble task of transforming self-possessed ideas into increasingly practical but nonetheless supernal ideals, even those concepts which are so reasonable as ideas and so logical as ideals that the (Spirit of the Father) dares so to combine and spiritize them as to render them available for such association in the finite mind as will constitute them the actual human complement thus made ready for the action of the Truth Spirit of the Sons, the time-space manifestations of Paradise truth--universal truth. The co-ordination of idea-decisions, logical ideals, and divine truth constitutes the possession of a righteous character, the prerequisite for mortal admission to the ever-expanding and increasingly spiritual realities of the heavenly worlds.

I feel when the father spritizes logical decisions he actually gives it value and meaning through the timeline manifestation.

Exactly what I feel I have been going through in this journey to the Heritage of Ages.

I dont believe there is an pshycic phonomena responsible in the journey. It was mainly deduction, much contemplation, looking for evidence on a thought thread, looking here and there to see if I could find similiar reflections. All of it was from within and not from an outside source. I believe through the thought adjuster in faith.

What was the greatest stimulus was the all the little and major discoveries along the way as I followed the thought threads of my mind, really, God and Man journey together.

Mind you I have changed my thoughts along the way evolving the thought at the time.

However at the end of the day we have to go out there and checkout these things and verify and recover for the ultimate proof.

Maybe the Father may spiritize the journey more so as to manifest the reality of the heritages. Im not sure!

Well at the end of the day I suppose there is some internal pshycic phoenomena but very much it is from within in the relationship with the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and thats pretty well it. There is in between or outside entity, its a direct friendship on the simplest terms from the source of love.

I really feel it when I find all these things that I feel are relevant. Since I haven't been here I have made good strides and I feel happy with the thought thread of the places and here it at. I think I have all the places in the right areas with tantalizing anomalies that we can inspect already.

I think I have the Dilmuns in the right places and I think what I named Tipura/Dilmun, I renamed to 1st Susa it just dawned on me what those anomalies where.

Those ruins to the West of Dilmun to the North was 1st Susa not far from the Elam mountains and in the middle of there then empire.

Due to floods they went to the North to build 2ndSusa.

Anyway I dont if its psychic phoenomena but personally when people channel things as if something speaking through them.

I'm very skeptical because in real truth I'm not sure that is necessary these days and I feel transition will not be underpinned by the words of channelers and those looking for external pshychic phoenomena. Looking for miracles.

Mind you the mystery of the ages has been opened for all time but the conditions had to be right to find it.

It wasnt "go here and find this and then there and then find that" or " I am so and so of so and so federation where the orders of the blue lodge commands us to to tell you of the great revealing"

Nothing like that.

It was when I read about the Garden of Eden on the Boat that I was really inspired to find the place and I persisted from there on so therefore the Father spritized the idea and logical decision and led me through the books perhaps spiritize the discoveries. As you know at the time I was following the Books and I locked my self in the 10 week Enoch judgement with ferver when the places was discovered so I feel the conditions was right and in the right environment that Paradise could respond in the timeline and in the books of the Words of the Father including the fantastic Urantia Book.

Everything about the journey has been based on logical decision and thats was the journey and from there I was guided through the inner workings of the thought adjuster and the Father.

About the 11:11 Oh well I better not be to judgmental and negative. But I dont think it should be iconized and mixed in with channelling using the Urantia presentation as a base. The whole focus is on the father and the inner relationship with man. I think 11"11 and all that should be seen in more simple perspective, like perhaps a wink and a chuckle so what, but when people string out all these messages from so called Morojonson and this guy and that bloke, Its not necessary and over time there words loose power because they fail to demonstrate.

All the best

Sevens

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject:

Hey Vann I went to the site.

I remember I posted some images of 1stEden and they took it down. I was just sharing the fine discovery.

Im not interested in there information and I read some of the channelling of Christ Michael. I am skeptical of that especially what they are saying you could find it in a normal hymnal in a church.

In saying that, the planet is awash with truth in printed material, the truth is with us but for some reason man cant seem to step out and look beyond his boundaries. That because of fear of doctrine, complacency and generally not interested.

I'm not impressed with the site at all.

I'm quite happy to read the urantia Book and the books of religion and scientific studies.

And I'm certainly not interested people who use that technique of alluring people using a channel technique based on a book that expressedly does not support those techniques.

thanks for the link

regards
Sevens

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject:

I'm afraid in this case of transition man has to find and realize the truth himself. I believe this is really important and all to do with Faith and the relationship with the Father. No Gurus or intermediaries, Gurus are currently in the dark and not aware of the process going on related to our heritages.

I wouldn't trust any Guru in what there saying if he cant demonstrate!

Nothing, but trust yourself and the thought adjuster.

Sevens

Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:18 am
Has anyone considered that if a great piece of Antartic, like half! If that occurred and melted rapidly and due to warming of the extra water created a 6 meter sea level rise. That would mean that all the sea ports would be destroyed including cites and infrastructure.

I feel this could be a near potential possibility and something we should all be planning for NOW!

An event like this would destroy Babylon and all the seafears and traders will be weeping. Weeping at the loss of Babylon.

I feel that world system would be destroyed through a sudden level rise including many cities.

If that was a near term event and all leaders of the world ignore this then mankind will enter a very grave scenario.

I also feel that because of the extra weight of liquid water bearing on the Crust there could much land emergence and submergence. I could the earth balancing itself with this extra weight like a reconfiguration of the planet to equalize the the pressure.

I don't mean to scaremonger or anything like that but to me it seems like a logical thing and I believe its in revelation.

Like where it says that man will be living in caves gnashing his teeth wishing the mountains would fall on him. It seems to suggest no comfort at all, there will be great earth changes and man in many cases will loose his life with now where to go.

I strongly urge that we really think about this. Going on memory in revelation that the remnant will protected and gathered some where. It seems to suggest a place of safety for the Lord people. That means that people with faith will prepare for this event. I wonder if this entail governments. I believe governments will fall and anarchy could take over as there is no food and water. Men will be marauding for survival and for time it seems to suggest that it will be survival of the fittest and prepared.

My suggestion to survive Is

relocate to a higher area at least 400ft or above. Stock pile food and water.

Governments of responsibility should plan for this now. All world leaders should release all free energy technologies that have been obtained including corporations and should start developing Tesla technology so all families have a portable energy pack that delivered more than enough power to supply all energy needs for a large family.

Energy supplied to these family energy packs would have to be energized from the atmosphere. The purpose would be to make each family portable and independent with abundant energy to use.

Also anti gravity devices should be employed as demonstrated on Google video.

Also water vapor capturing devices should be employed to water from the atmosphere.

If there is darkness that envelopes the world many weeks these devices should keep man surviving in all weather circumstances and conditions.

For shelter tents and mobile houses powered by Tesla DC devices that can drive the mobile unit using to other locations at greater height using anti gravity devices powered. All viechle should operated on Anti gravity without the use of petroleum should be used to make the roving community mobile. For food, Hot houses should be employed in on Anti gravity mobile houses that can be moved using the Tesla DC devices all power should be able to operate these mobile houses.

Then for building material as all current manufacturing would be demolished is the perhaps the use of Hemp as that can be down into building materials and even manufactured into smooth panels that can be used for houses and viechle. There will be no oil for plastics as that much of that industry infrastructure would be destroyed and oil distribution would be impossible because of no ports due to a rising sea level.

Anyway that I feel is the scenario

If no one listens III get people to look at it the matter. Just out of simple curiosity.

Sevens

Has anyone considered that if a great piece of Antartic, like half! If that occurred and melted rapidly and due to warming of the extra water created a 6 meter sea level rise. That would mean that all the sea ports would be destroyed including cites and infrastructure.

I feel this could be a near potential possibility and something we should all be planning for NOW!

An event like this would destroy Babylon and all the seafears and traders will be weeping. Weeping at the loss of Babylon.

I feel that world system would be destroyed through a sudden level rise including many cities.

If that was a near term event and all leaders of the world ignore this then mankind will enter a very grave scenario.

I also feel that because of the extra weight of liquid water bearing on the Crust there could much land emergence and submergence. I could the earth balancing itself with this extra weight like a reconfiguration of the planet to equalize the the pressure.

I dont mean to scaremonger or anything like that but to me it seems like a logical thing and I believe its in revelation.

Like where it says that man will be living in caves gnashing his teeth wishing the mountains would fall on him. It seems to suggest no comfort at all, there will be great earth changes and man in many cases will loose his life with now where to go.

I strongly urge that we really think about this. Going on memory in revelation that the remnant will protected and gathered some where. It seems to suggest a place of safety for the Lord people. That means that people with faith will prepare for this event. I wonder if this entail governments. I believe governments will fall and anarchy could take over as there is no food and water. Men will be maurading for survival and for time it seems to suggest that it will be survival of the fitest and prepared.

My suggestion to survive Is

relocate to a higher area at least 400ft or above. Stock pile food and water.

Governments of responsibility should plan for this now. All world leaders should release all free energy technologies that have been obtained including corporations and should start developing Tesla technology so all families have a portable energy pack that delivered more than enough power to supply all energy needs for a large family.

Energy supplied to these family energy packs would have to be energized from the atmosphere. The purpose would be to make each family portable and independent with abundant energy to use.

Also anti gravity devices should be employed as demonstrated on Google video.

Also water vapor capturing devices should be employed to water from the atmosphere.

If there is darkness that envelopes the world many weeks these devices should keep man surviving in all weather circumstances and conditions.

For shelter tents and mobile houses powered by Tesla DC devices that can drive the mobile unit using to other locations at greater height using anti gravity devices powered. All viechle should operated on Anti gravity without the use of petroleum should be used to make the roving community mobile. For food, Hot houses should be employed in on Anti gravity mobile houses that can be moved using the Tesla DC devices all power should be able to operate these mobile houses.

Then for building material as all current manufacturing would be demolished is the perhaps the use of Hemp as that can be down into building materials and even manufactured into smooth panels that can be used for houses and viechle. There will be no oil for plastics as that much of that industry infrastructure would be destroyed and oil distribution would be impossible because of no ports due to a rising sea level.

Anyway that I feel is the scenario

If no one listens III get people to look at it the matter. Just out of curiosity.

Sevens

posted 11-26-2007 01:03 AM

quote:

Isa 2:19-21

And men shall enter the caves of the rocks and the holes of the ground, from before the terror of Yahweh, and from the glory of his majesty, when he rises to terrify the earth . In that day men will cast forth their idols of silver and their idols of gold, which they made for themselves to worship, to the moles and to the bats, to enter the caverns of the rocks and the clefts of the cliffs, from before the terror of Yahweh, and from the glory of his majesty, when he rises to terrify the earth.

and

Isa 56:10-11
His watchmen are blind, they are all without knowledge; they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; dreaming, lying down, loving to slumber. The dogs have a mighty appetite; they never have enough. The shepherds also have no understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each to his own gain, one and all.

12 "Come," they say, "let us get wine, let us fill ourselves with strong drink; and tomorrow will be like this day, great beyond measure."

The following could relate directly to the all cities of the nations being damaged by rapid sea level rise.

Ezek 7:16-19 And if any survivors escape, they will be on the mountains, like doves of the valleys, all of them moaning, every one over his iniquity. All hands are feeble, and all knees weak as water. They gird themselves in sackcloth, and horror covers them; shame is upon all faces, and baldness upon all heads. They cast their silver into the streets, and their gold is like an unclean thing; their silver and gold are not able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD; they cannot satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it. For it was the stumbling block of their iniquity.

Isa 3:18-26 In that day the Lord will take away the finery of the anklets, the headbands, the crescents, the pendants, the bracelets, the scarves, the headdresses, the armlets, the sashes, the perfume boxes, the amulets, the signet rings and nose rings, the festal robes, the mantles, the cloaks, the handbags, the garments of gauze, the linen garments, the turbans, and the veils. Instead of perfume there will be rottenness; instead of a girdle, a rope; instead of well-set hair, baldness; instead of a rich robe, a girding of sackcloth; instead of beauty, shame. Your men shall fall by the sword and your mighty men in battle. And her gates shall lament and mourn; ravaged, she shall sit upon the ground.

Isa 22:12-13 In that day the Lord GOD of hosts called to weeping and mourning, to baldness and girding with sackcloth .

Isa 15:2-3 The daughter of Dibon has gone up to the high places to weep; over Nebo and over Med'eba Moab wails. On every head is baldness, every beard is shorn; in the streets they gird on sackcloth; on the housetops and in the squares every one wails and melts in tears.

Amos 8:10 I will turn your feasts into mourning , and all your songs into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness on every head; I will make it like the mourning for an only son, and the end of it like a bitter day .

Rapid Sea Level rise would destroy Babylon and the system.

sevens

posted 11-26-2007 01:41 AM

quote:

Warnings to God's People

Isa 10:22 For though your people Israel be like the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will return. Destruction is decreed, overflowing with righteousness.

Isa 13:6-16 Wail, for the day of the LORD is near; as destruction from the Almighty it will come! Therefore all hands will be feeble, and every man's heart will melt, and they will be dismayed. Pangs and agony will seize them; they will be in anguish like a woman in travail. They will look aghast at one another; their faces will be aflame. Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the earth a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it. For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not shed its light. I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will put an end to the pride of the arrogant, and lay low the haughtiness of the ruthless. I will make men more rare than fine gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir. Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place, at the wrath of the LORD of hosts in the day of his fierce anger. And like a hunted gazelle, or like sheep with none to gather them, every man will turn to his own people, and every man will flee to his own land. Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished.

this could happen with sea level rise.

Jer 51:58 Thus says the LORD of hosts: The broad wall of Babylon shall be leveled to the ground and her high gates shall be burned with fire. The peoples labor for nought, and the nations weary themselves only for fire.

Babylon will be lost, that means the system if rapid sea level occurs.

sevens

posted 11-26-2007 01:50 AM

about the demise of Babylon

quote:

Revelation 18:10 (Read all of Revelation 18)

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
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after the demise of Babylon due to rapid sea level rise Life is hell.

Revelation 18:2 (Read all of Revelation 18)

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen , and is become the habitation of devils , and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

and interesting timeline.
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Matthew 1:17 (Read all of Matthew 1)

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

3x14 or 6 sevens
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and another example of Babylon being thrown down die to sea level rise, the stone could be the 7 commands, the confirmation of the journey and the discovery. "Took up a stone" It could mean discovered the stone and recovered the stone from the City in the depth of the sea.
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Revelation 18:21 (Read all of Revelation 18)

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down , and shall be found no more at all.

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5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 1 0 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050317_global_warming.html

sevens

posted 11-26-2007 12:50 PM

quote:

So, get over it

Get over what a major disaster!

When was the last time the polar caps had no ice??

Well Smiley

I reckon your a limited person, such foolish things to say particularly when people are loosing there homes already and you have qualified scientists at the poles saying the same things.

Most of your comments are fairly ignorant to the fact that the leader of the UN is urging change to our ways NOW for it will get worse. It has nothing to do with your great pride and prejudice seen in your reply referring to politics in the usual and conspiratorial fear which means nothing to most people.

This is way beyond politics as the world Babylon system is very much threatened by the current potential of a rapid sea level rise.

Something like this would destroy the System.

Even the bible mentions the destruction of the Babylon system...You know that includes the system that feeds and houses you. Thats the system that provides the money for you to do things and at the same time pollute the planet to everyones demise without a care. But you couldn't give a hoot looking at your reply.

If there is a rapid sea level rise all the ports to civilization would be greatly disrupted and then how would you get your little comforts?

Anyway, I suggest you get over your ignorant little self and read the scriptures since you call yourself a Christian. I would never come to you for advise after reading your shallow comments.

You mention a cycle, could be! The thing is we are in that cycle and it does not looking better for us actually by all reports is looks rather crappy for man.

Im sure the Ice caps will listen to you.

The day man is forced to leave his home because of sea level rise will be a day of great sorrow and mourning and you guys in the states know exactly whats that all about, already.

Wake up will ya!

I would think this is the state of play with many many asleep people and describes much of civilization today who fail in there religious duty towards his fellow man but would rather watch TV or play computer games and get fat eating Babylon processed Food including really shallow and crappy conversation that means absolutely nothing, all administered by Babylon.

quote:

Isa 56:10-11
His watchmen are blind, they are all without knowledge; they are all dumb dogs , they cannot bark; dreaming, lying down, loving to slumber. The dogs have a mighty appetite; they never have enough . The shepherds also have no understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each to his own gain , one and all.

Sevens

Sevens

posted 11-26-2007 11:55 PM

I think every government has a level of corruption...man cant help himself.

Come what may with the UN and there projections but I think its very serious and everyone is a little to comfortable thinking all this will happen in hundreds of years.

What happens then we are face to face more so with the problems that we know of today which we can correct today?

Personally I think the whole planet is slipping down the abyss whether it takes a few years or months it still does not look good.

I'm sure the generation face this problem will ask why did you not do anything then?

The old man will just say we got to self absorbed to care. Sorry about that! The young man walks away bitterly disappointed at our efforts of today!

Sevens

posted 11-27-2007 12:11 AM

quote:

Sevens, if it has already been written, then so it will happen...

I totally agree wirelessguru1

I reckon the prophets where reliable in respect to what we see today.

But everyone seems to think this state of play is normal. Even people people predicting change I doubt can see the signs.

What about the people teaching the Prosperity doctrine.

If all happens in the near future there will be absolutely no riches for anyone.

Thats why I think the Prosperity doctrine is false doctrine because prosperity is not seen in the end time of this age.

The only guys who get prosperity are the elect and faithful for having faith and doing relevant things, could be anyone. Less than that nothing much really.

Sevens

Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:28 pm
Dalamatia City......The beginning of future things to come!

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Sevens

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Dalamatia City......The beginning of future things to come!

http://www.godshew.org/Sevens2.htm

Biblical Sevens  -  Bible Sevens  -  Obvious & Hidden

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:35 am Confirmation

http://www.world-destiny.org/q1/belial.htm

I was curious about the following text in relation to the cities. I tho9ught this piece in metaphor was interesting. How it points to the water and the seas with the inference of God being in the sea with ships traveling over him. Then you have reference to the city and the walls and the city of Salvation. I wonder if this in metaphor actually hints to the discovery of the first city and its significants.
Quote:

Col 14

19 . . . testimony. have allowed themselves to be enticed by those spreading lies . . . in the service of justice,

20 even though you, God, commanded them to seek fortune far from their paths, walking on your holy path, on which the uncircumcised, the unclean, the vicious

21 do not travel. They have staggered off the path of your heart and in . . . calamity they languish. Belial is the counselor

22 of their heart. . . . . . . schemes of wickedness they wallow in guilt. I have become like a sailor in a ship in the raging

23 seas: their waves and all their breakers roar over me, a whirlwind without a lull for taking breath, without

24 a track to take a straight path over the surface of the water.
The deep thunders at my sigh. my soul nears the gates of death. I have become

25 like someone who enters a fortified city, and finds shelter on the high wall until salvation. My God, I lean on your truth . . .

Notice how the deep thunders at his sigh and then refers to the fortified city that will be used as a tool for salvation. The city and the truth about the city, is like a shelter upon its high walls that we can see in the images.

I absolutely sure that the above refers directly and in metaphor to this journey to the first city, Dalamatia City! Note the Gates of death which could point to judgment and its relation to the city.

What else could it mean? and its also related to the Fathers truth and this is what this journey is all about.

"I have become someone who enters a fortified city" This statement alone confirms someone who comes by discovers the city and who enters its gates, Like what I'm pushing hard for and that we go there and confirm the truth. Like someone who discoveries and note an individual discovering it. In light of the messages attached to the city, this city becomes like a shelter of protection for the oncoming judgment or shift or transition.

Dalamatia City is described here. The first city is fortified with 40 foot high walls surrounding it in a diamond fashion. These walls offered shelter. The city also had gates. The city was destroyed in a tidal wave 150,000 years ago and is submerged as related to the gates of hell. God says that he lives in this city as ships pass over him in a raging storm which highlights the state of the planet, The City is located near a busy trade route which is in the Persian Gulf.

The city is described quite well in these few verses and describes the location of this city I believe its a strong match.

...just the truth!

sevens

Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:49 am

You know how people teach the prosperity doctrine well I thinking that doctrine could be awfully invalid as all riches and the system of Babylon could be destroyed because a rising sea levels and submergence and emergence of land masses (earth changes)

I think a more valid doctrine is the doctrine of survival, but no one will listen to that one as that is not comfortable!

You know how people teach the prosperity doctrine well I thinking that doctrine could be awfully invalid as all riches and the system of Babylon could be destroyed because a rising sea levels and submergence and emergence of land masses (earth changes)

I think a more valid doctrine is the doctrine of survival, but no one will listen to that one as that is not comfortable!

Actually any prosperity doctrine and the benefits of it should be directed for communal survival in preparing for the worst and also the money should be devoted to R&D in making energy independent devices and water collecting techniques. Like for example the development of the Hutchinson technique or anti gravity!

I don't think riches for the Christian church is in the plan as we may perceive along current standards of material riches. As we all know there will be a reckoning where riches will mean nothing because it will be a matter of survival.

I don't mean to be negative but really for the extremity I'm thinking of, I don't think governments could cater for the needs of people. I believe the Christian faith as body of unity should prepare for real survival. But I'm sure no one will listen to this and the will of faith to spread the word and perhaps warn would be a to greater feat.

I simply want mankind to be successful if I'm right in this journey.

I know it will be men and women of faith that will be successful because they will be prepared. I feel as a body of faith, the Christian faith is best equipped to prepare for such an event. I'm sure Jesus came 2000 years ago before this event to prepare man where he is truly our salvation in the physical. I can understand the timing.

Anyway I would in your area of influence discuss these things and make plans to prepare with the basics food, water power, generators, solar devices, even new energy harnessing techniques.

I wish this would happen, it would be good if one person in each faith could make a break through to the top in making plans for survival for a shifting population with order and provisions. I really don't why I'm saying this but I feel compelled to write this. We don't know the timing of these events but I'm sure that all things are forming a conjunction in the one reality and I believe there are definite signs of the times and particularly in the discovery of the first cities.

I believe what I have presented to this forum is unrivaled and I think I have a solid validation of the first places being the marked sign of change. However we have to go out there and in a rapid way. I think an expedition to the first place would be an excellent opportunity for religion to cast there truth into the ring of world events.

That's what the world needs a new and expanded revelation that compliments all the books of religion. Shining in truth and in final victory of validation and verification of the Cities and the Seven commands. Also it would validate a new book as all are witnesses to the journey through this forum. It has been a delight to share my truth as I come across it and leaving it here.

I hope it really helps everyone and I hope in the conclusion of the journey we will find truth as seen in the beforehand.

I feel happy with how everything fits in with the location of the cities I'm sure all the cities are in the right locations we just have to go there and find the truth as its out there for us to discover. "The Heritage of the Ages are ours" To discover for ourselves and reconnect to completed truth at this stage of human spiritual development.

I believe after this event of the ages, we will be in direct heading for the ages of light and life that I feel it will occur in the next thousand years where another transition will occur. Where a new temple will descend and new earth a rehabilitation of the planet.

This point of expansion and transition in this pre Epochal change is the most crucial and much attention is placed in this time period. I suppose its when we are most vulnerable of self extermination.

I feel that a large part of revelation has been fulfilled but there is more to go in the next thousand years which I think will be OK as we may have physical guidance of Melchizedek and his super physical government that I feel maybe more physical and accessible Like I speak to you. I feel in a thousand years we will see the reception of the Magisterial Son and Perhaps Jesus for a second time or maybe this time now is time of the Ancients of Days and there judgment of this planet.

It could be that, speculating here that we may see first rapture, tribulation and then judgment by the Ancients of Days which includes the return of the gathered.

Then for a thousand years the remnant rehabilitate the planet but in truth and with a far better society in parallel with universal truth world wide running on non polluting energy harnessed from the atmosphere, running on DC energy.

Everyone will be energy independent and food and better growing sustainable growing methods will be employed with the purpose of harnessing and replacing. I think Anti gravity will be a reality and transport may use this technique.

I think its a good time to be energy creative in the supply of water collecting collecting devices and in desalination through solar water distillation methods. Where dirty water can be distilled by the sun and be made pure.

Anyway I think Dalamatia City symbolizes the beginning of future things to come and we must be prepared.

just a thought

I personally feel, despite what people think of Ban, leader of the UN that he should prepare plans for such a disaster result of a 6 meter water rise and should look into the provisions needed for a independent roving community with plenty of energy, food and water. That would be his job I reckon.

Who knows what I say could premature but it we could be in the moment.

Sevens.

posted 11-30-2007 10:27 PM

Riven the only kingdom you will reside in is a kingdom that will be 6 meters under. Your tribe and all the tribes of the Planet will be literally walking the hills for shelter.

If there is a near sudden sea level rise all infrastructure will be lost.

If I were you I would exercise your Atlantean manhood and put some constructive plans for survival in case that happens for your country.

I wonder why no one has questioned him on it and what plans has he made?

Anyway we should be making plans for a roving society using Anti Gravity devices as you can see on Google.

Fro my research and journey I see no riches for mankind only survival that we can prepare for now.

I believe there will be a rapture but only those with faith and do the will of the father will make it. (Act of faith)

It seems grim but that's what I'm saying. I think the message should be more warning than anything no riches would happen with a sudden 6 meter rise.

It will be Riven who...what...who what!!! How is that relevant in the dilemma we are in??? they ask. what here how! Riven ! what.

Sevens

posted 12-02-2007 10:13 PM

Hi Beauman,

I enjoyed your posts and I found them very informative especially about the Jinn and the knowledge there is about them.

I enjoyed reading your research, I think this one of the best threads on this forum. Its relevant and can follow the information with normal logic.

No worries at all.

I think its a good study and I think you made a number of valid points reflecting our past with the Jinn.

All the best
Sevens

posted 12-02-2007 02:15 PM

Its interesting that Dalamatia City, the triangle city was built by the Jinn 500,000 years go but the city was destroyed after the first default at around 150,000 years ago.

The story of the origins of the Jinn is completely fascinating. From what I understand and believe is that the Jinn were in unity but there was division amongst them where many of them fell in rebellion. This division continued right up to the time of Jesus with the advent of the Holy Spirit.

Whats even more interesting is that Satan was also interned upon the latest revelatory presentation of the Urantia Book. The remnant of the rebellion in these days is the last Rebel the x planetary prince. He still roams the minds of men with all kinds of delights a human likes to hear but only if a human desires.

However the Jinn of today are united and are loyal midwayers to the cause of truth and righteousness. There work is reflected in all the books of religion and in myth over all the thousands of years up to this point now.

I personally believe that the discovery of the triangle city in the images so far is a real milestone in the work of the the Jinn. All the work of the loyal Jinn have been for this moment.

Actually it was the petition of the Jinn 400 years ago to the Ancients of Days that lead to the Urantia Presentation written in the finger of God and discovery of the city proves that and will prove it more so.

The rebels Jinns acted in ways that the rebel uses these days, the technique of soothsaying and mind infiltration through trances and so forth.

However, the loyal jinn do not use these techniques they are only interested in the final result of a presentation that will be globally effective and non imposing. They have left there mark in the books of religion and its only through all the books of religion that they express themselves and though the action of the Holy Spirit in parallel add those complete and embracing compliments to the personal discovery within which includes the personal fragment of the Father.

Unlike what some people think the Jinn do not act in spell and other techniques of barbarism. They are advanced and permanent citizens of this planet and they also would like to live on a loving planet clear of rebellion.

I believe that this operation to the first Triangle City is a direct operation of the Jinn and Paradise. From what I read and see there is no trances or soothsaying involved just straight research and contemplation of what what I read and matched together.

Anyway I think we are going to hear more from the Jinn through the fulfillment of prophecy, I'm absolutely sure that this pre transitional stage to the 1st stage of Light and Life for the planet is a very major operation that stems directly to Paradise or the Kingdom of Heaven and its full completion will take another 1000 years when we receive our first translational temple built and coming down from space with a new earth.

This time right now and the discovery of the first places is I believe part of this pre transitional change and to me it sounds a little dire. I believe this period now is part of the visitation of the Ancients of Days as spoken by Daniel.

I dont see riches in the future as prophesied, if we are to go through this transition now we have to be prepared for survival as I have mentioned before. With a sudden 6 meter rise I can see major changes in the near future.

I can see how the Babylon system will be utterly destroyed that includes all our lifestyle. If that is the case I would think the Jinn are urging us to cut the fighting and death and destruction and get on to more important things such as a survival plan using free energy devices.

But Babylon wont allow that in this current framework.

Anyway, Paradise does have an preservation plan which I believe can involve a rapture. It wont be everyone and anyone as the admittance to this preservation plan is through faith. Thats the only way and Jesus supplied the pathway in his teachings and what to look for. I believe the Jinn fully endorse this.

The remnant who are left behind will be ones who never believed and couldn't look into the matter or resisted the signs and the truth coming out about it or who thought what a whole lot of crap and spurned it.

Paradise is so ahead of us and they do have an action plan. Whilst the preservation plan is taking place the remnant left on this planet will also be led and protected but again faith is the key.

You know thats where the Bible and all the other books of religion and the New book are all designed to help us through the ultimate ordeal, to provide a path through the abyss.

Jesus, sevenfold peace of the Essenes is all about this time and the journey to the ancient places referring to 1stEden. All the books are abundant of reflections of the great sign which are the former things according to Isaiah.

This piece

quote:

Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, 'My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'

and then other piece from the Dead Sea Scrolls

I have become

25 like someone who enters a fortified city , and finds shelter on the high wall until salvation. My God, I lean on your truth .

Is a complete reflection of the theme of the discoveries of the cities. How true is the above about this journey. Its a complete summary of this journey and does include Robert Sarmast journey to 1stEden or Atlantis in his book.

The journey in respect to each place has its own unique story that can be all connected with symbolism that we can see have been passed on down the ages. Symbolism is one way the Jinn speak speak to us. This can be seen regrading the first and second temples being the 3 co-planar circles being seen in both places. In 1syEden on top of the Acropolis Hill and the Dalamatia City where the same co-planar circles can be seen. The same symbol can also be see in Iran at the highland capital of Van who was the builder of Eden and participated in the Building of Dalamatia City.

Van and Amadon his brother were the custodians of the tree of life after the rebellion and before Adam and Eve arrived, they kept the tree in the there capital. Vestiges of this capital can be see in a triangle shaped highland area with the 3 co-planar circles at the edge of this place.

Anyway see what happens in the operations of the Paradise encompassing the United Jinn concerning this inhabited planet.

I thought the discussion raised in this thread was very interesting.

I appreciated the opportunity to write this, it would be good to further the studies of the Jinn and see where it leads to.

All the best
Sevens

posted 12-04-2007 12:22 AM

Hi Beauman

I read you last post and quite enjoyed it. It tells me that are common reflections amongst many civilizations throughout the world of all times who similar myths and legends depicting union of man with the Gods

What I found interesting in your last post is the "Cult of Imhotep" and its relationship with Dionysis. Is there a relation between Imhotep, Dionysis, Pythagoras and the Orphic knowledge.

I would certainly like to look into link that link them up as there could a lot of hidden knowledge that may parallel with the journey to the triangle city in the Persian Gulf.

I tend to believe Atlantis was about the city of the Gods that fell and mated with man and degraded themselves further whilst up stepping man with there genes. I tend to believe that the reflection of Atlantis whilst there are some differences is ultimately pointing the very first city of the Sons of God.

I tend to believe that the legends and myths of the Triangle city, Dalamatia was transplanted in the new cities that where built by the fallen Sons of God. Eventually these new cities became known also, over time as a mythical cities of the Gods, the legend simply transplanted itself and moved on with mankind from one civilization/place to another.

Also was impressed how you have been following Symbolism. I have been following the same where believe the Triangle and circle symbol moved from the Persian Gulf to Egypt. Here is a link of this common symbol that was found in the plug of the shaft of the great pyramid built by Imhotep.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/double_triangle.jpg

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/egyptian_pyramid.htm

and here is a few posts I put together that needs further expansion. That why I was interested in your train Imhotep to Dionysis and Pythagoras link.

There could be a link.

I was thinking that the Symbol may have come from the foundations of 1&2nd Babel in Northern Dilmun in the North Eastern Persian Gulf.

Here is a few link where the same Chevron can be seen

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/thumbnails/babel_foundations_jpg.jpg

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/index.htm

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel/index.html

and a link for Northern Dilmun

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dilmun/index.html

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel/index.html

The Greeks derived the knowledge from there earlier Adamson descendants. They have always been in enmity with giants who were the Nodites.

regards

Dennis

posted 12-04-2007 12:22 AM

Hi Beauman

I read you last post and quite enjoyed it. It tells me that are common reflections amongst many civilizations throughout the world of all times who similar myths and legends depicting union of man with the Gods

What I found interesting in your last post is the "Cult of Imhotep" and its relationship with Dionysis. Is there a relation between Imhotep, Dionysis, Pythagoras and the Orphic knowledge.

I would certainly like to look into link that link them up as there could a lot of hidden knowledge that may parallel with the journey to the triangle city in the Persian Gulf.

I tend to believe Atlantis was about the city of the Gods that fell and mated with man and degraded themselves further whilst upstepping man with there genes. I tend to believe that the reflection of Atlantis whilst there are some differences is ultimately pointing the very first city of the Sons of God.

I tend to believe that the legends and myths of the Triangle city, Dalamatia was transplanted in the new cities that where built by the fallen Sons of God. Eventually these new cities became known also, over time as a mythical cities of the Gods, the legend simply transplanted itself and moved on with mankind from one civilization/place to another.

Also was impressed how you have been following Symbolism. I have been following the same where believe the Triangle and circle symbol moved from the Persian Gulf to Egypt. Here is a link of this common symbol that was found in the plug of the shaft of the great pyramid built by Imhotep.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/double_triangle.jpg

Actually its a double triangle and circle symbol. Ring any thoughts?

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/egyptian_pyramid.htm

and here is a few posts I put together that needs further expansion. That why I was interested in your train Imhotep to Dionysis and Pythagoras link.

There could be a link.

I was thinking that the Symbol may have come from the foundations of 1&2nd Babel in Northern Dilmun in the North Eastern Persian Gulf.

Here is a few link where the same Chevron can be seen

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/pages/babel_foundations_jpg.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/index.htm

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel/index.html

and a link for Northern Dilmun

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dilmun/index.html

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel/index.html

The Greeks derived the knowledge from there earlier Adamson descendants. They have always been in enmity with giants who were the Nodites.

http://www.historel.net/imhotep/imhoeng03.htm

quote:

The King's words in honor of Imhotep:
- praises to you, divine son of Ptah, begotten at Memphis, sublime child, magnificent child of Cheret-anch, brought into the world at Tanen. Loving son to his Father, Imhotep is the one called the 'great power in both Lands',
- The one that rebuilds what has been destroyed in the Temple and gives back its original shape,
- The one that calculates all things, educated as was the Great god Thot (of Wisdom) to have an attentive heart, capable in action,
- The one who knows all kinds and styles of writing; (they are written in his heart),
- The one who knows all paths of thought, and was instructed in the measurement of grain, who abates the effects of famine, is educated in elocution, and is very scholarly in God's word,
- The one who quickens and protects pregnant women,
- The one who restores fertility to the sterile, those who pray to have a son,
- The one who keeps the children healthy child; The one who invigorates those who serve God; who relieves sickness, who brings the necessary flooding,
- Great and beautiful apparition still remaining on Earth, we can see you every day (!) Your mysterious form is evident in the cities and the countryside; your seat is raised up in the House of the gods, and those who are in the two sanctuaries are delighted to see you, for you give blessings to everyone who prays to you.
- Let your Ba (soul) live in the sky of Re, and may your body to be perfected in the underground world of Osiris.
- May you go in peace to the cave of the two big feathers, which built your body.
- Every day may you receive offerings of bread, of meat, of milk, and may all your needs be provided for.
- YES, you are Re for eternity. (In majesty, Imhotep is identified and integrated with Re).

regards
sevens

posted 12-04-2007 04:11 AM

Hey Brig and Smiley I thought you would be interested in this article.

Looks sea level rise is on the way and man better get prepared or get over it but I dont think thats an option. Dont think this story will go away!

http://green.yahoo.com/news/nm/20071203/lf_nm/climate_indonesia_islands_dc.html

quote:

Climate change may wipe some Indonesian islands off map

By Sugita Katyal and Adhityani Arga | Posted Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:11am PST

JAKARTA (Reuters) - Many of Indonesia's islands may be swallowed up by the sea if world leaders fail to find a way to halt rising sea levels at this week's climate change conference on the resort island of Bali.

Doomsters take this dire warning by Indonesian scientists a step further and predict that by 2035, the Indonesian capital's airport will be flooded by sea water and rendered useless; and by 2080, the tide will be lapping at the steps of Jakarta's imposing Dutch-era Presidential palace which sits 10 km inland (about 6 miles).

The Bali conference is aimed at finding a successor to the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012, on cutting climate warming carbon emissions. With over 17,000 islands, many at risk of being washed away, Indonesians are anxious to see an agreement reached and quickly implemented that will keep rising seas at bay.

Just last week, tides burst through sea walls, cutting a key road to Jakarta's international airport until officials were able to reinforce coastal barricades.

"Island states are very vulnerable to sea level rise and very vulnerable to storms. Indonesia ... is particularly vulnerable," Nicholas Stern, author of an acclaimed report on climate change, said on a visit to Jakarta earlier this year.

Even large islands are at risk as global warming might shrink their land mass, forcing coastal communities out of their homes and depriving millions of a livelihood.

The island worst hit would be Java, which accounts for more than half of Indonesia's 226 million people. Here rising sea levels would swamp three of the island's biggest cities near the coast -- Jakarta, Surabaya and Semarang -- destroying industrial plants and infrastructure.

"Tens of millions of people would have to move out of their homes. There is no way this will happen without conflict," Environment Minister Rachmat Witoelar said recently.

"The cost would be very high. Imagine, it's not just about building better infrastructure, but we'd have to relocate people and change the way people live," added Witoelar, who has said that Indonesia could lose 2,000 of its islands by 2030 if sea levels continue to rise.

CRUNCH TIME AT BALI

Environmentalists say this week's climate change meeting in Bali will be crunch time for threatened coastlines and islands as delegates from nearly 190 countries meet to hammer out a new treaty on global warming.

Several small island nations including Singapore, Fiji, Kiribati, Tuvalu and Caribbean countries have raised the alarm over rising sea levels which could wipe them off the map.

The Maldives, a cluster of 1,200 islands renowned for its luxury resorts, has asked the international community to address climate change so it does not sink into a watery grave.

According to a U.N. climate report, temperatures are likely to rise by between 1.1 and 6.4 degrees Celsius (2.0 and 11.5 degrees Fahrenheit) and sea levels by between 18 cm and 59 cm (seven and 23 inches) this century.

Under current greenhouse gas emission levels, Indonesia could lose about 400,000 sq km of land mass by 2080, including about 10 percent of Papua, and 5 percent of both Java and Sumatra on the northern coastlines, Armi Susandi, a meteorologist at the Bandung Institute of Technology, told Reuters.

Indonesia, the world's fourth-most populous country, has faced intense pressure over agricultural land for decades.

Susandi, who has researched the impact of climate change on Indonesia, estimated sea levels would rise by an average of 0.5 cm a year until 2080, while the submersion rate in Jakarta, which lies just above sea level, would be higher at 0.87 cm a year.

A study by the UK-based International Institute for Economy and Development (IIED) said at least 8 out of 92 of the outermost small islands that make up the country's borders are vulnerable.

TOO MANY ISLANDS TO COUNT

Less than half of Indonesia's islands are inhabited and many are not even named. Now, the authorities are hastily counting the coral-fringed islands that span a distance of 5,000 km, the equivalent of going from Ireland to Iran, before it is too late.

Disappearing islands and coastlines would not only change the Indonesian map, but could also restrict access to mineral resources situated in the most vulnerable spots, Susandi said.

He estimates that land loss alone would cost Indonesia 5 percent of its GDP without taking into account the loss of property and livelihood as millions migrate from low-lying coastlines to cities and towns on higher ground.

There are 42 million people in Indonesia living in areas less than 10 meters above the average sea level, who could be acutely affected by rising sea levels, the IIED study showed.

A separate study by the United Nations Environment Programme in 1992 showed in two districts in Java alone, rising waters could deprive more than 81,000 farmers of their rice fields or prawn and fish ponds, while 43,000 farm laborers would lose their job.

One solution is to cover Indonesia's fragile beaches with mangroves, the first line of defense against sea level rise, which can break big waves and hold back soil and silt that damage coral reefs.

A more expensive alternative is to erect multiple concrete walls on the coastlines, as the United States has done to break the tropical storms that hit its coast, Susandi said.

Some areas, including the northern shores of Jakarta, are already fitted with concrete sea barriers, but they are often damaged or too low to block rising waters and big waves such as the ones that hit Jakarta in November.

"It will be like permanent flooding," Susandi said. "By 2050, about 24 percent of Jakarta will disappear," possibly even forcing the capital to move to Bandung, a hill city 180 km east of Jakarta.

(Editing by Megan Goldin)

But who knows it could a runaway situation where it may accelerate.

Sevens

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/The-Final-Prophet.htm

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:58 am
Here is an outstanding piece from Edmund Roach's book a Christian Pastor

I read this book a couple of ago "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" its a brilliant book using fragments from all places.

In the following is a fragment I discovered today a fragment from the book.

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/The-Final-Prophet.htm

Quote:

UB True religion consists in the experience that "the Spirit
itself hears witness with our spirit that we are the children of
God. (Also see chapter True Religion Urantia Book
and Jesus’ Discourse on True Religion Urantia Book)

True religion, the true way, is a way that has never yet been taught "to the nations". Elsewhere in scripture we are told that before the end of the age the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven will be proclaimed to all the world. Who in the present world knows about the Kingdom of Heaven? Certainly not the popular scholars. Read their work! Certainly not those who espouse the gospel about Jesus Christ. Then, just who might this be? It would appear that the servant in Isaiah 42 is an individual that will teach about the Kingdom of Heaven within. Note that God ‘puts his spirit’ on the servant, therefore God ‘anoints’ the servant! Anointment is what happens to make someone a messiah. This is why the Dead Sea Scrolls speak of more than one messiah. The Messiah is Melchizedek a divine being, another messiah is God’s servant, the Final Prophet whom God has ‘put His spirit upon’ (anointed). Also note that God calls His servant My chosen one. This provides a link to a Dead Sea Scroll fragment, which describes a chosen one who reveals God’s truths and wisdom at the end of the age. The fragment gives us physical characteristics, education, life history and purpose. I believe this Scroll fragment describes the end of the age, final prophet to come:

4Q534 …of his hand: two…a birthmark. And the hair will be red.
Chosen One And there will be lentils on…and small birthmarks on his thigh.
And after two years he will know how to distinguish one thing
from another. In his youth he will be like…a man who knows
nothing until the time when he knows the three Books.
And then he will acquire wisdom and learn understanding…
vision to come to him on his knees. And with his father and
his ancestors…life and old age. Council and prudence will be
with him, and he will know the secrets of man. His wisdom
will reach all the peoples, and he will know the secrets of all
the living. And all their designs against him will come to
nothing, and his rule over the living will be great. His designs
will succeed, for he is the Elect of God. His birth and the
breath of his spirit…and his designs will be forever…

One can speculate that this information regarding the final prophet was part of the revelation to the Teacher of Righteousness of the Qumran community. More on this topic will come later. We also note the coastlands again; they are the ones who "await the teaching" of God’s servant. Next, the Lord further addresses the coastlands:

Isaiah 42:9 See, the things once predicted have come,
And now I foretell new things,
Announce them to you ere they sprout up . . .

Isaiah 42:10 You coastlands and their inhabitants! . . .

Isaiah 42:11 Call out from the peaks of the mountains.
Let them do honor to the Lord,
And tell His glory in the coastlands . . .

Isaiah 42:16 I will lead the blind
By a road they did not know,
And I will make them walk
By paths they never knew.
I will turn darkness before them to light,
Rough places into level ground.
These are the promises—
I will keep them without fail.

"His designs will succeed" this fragment really got me going as I have been working on the design symbols of Dalamatia which is the one I will be promoting not the mention the whole construct and the journey which is about design.

Actually all the fragments have alot to say.

Isaiah 52:13  "Indeed, My servant shall prosper,
Be exalted and raised to great heights…
Just so he shall startle many nations.
Kings shall be silenced because of him
For they shall see what has not been told them,
Shall behold what they never have heard."

Just remember the recovery of the Seven commands and the verification of Dalamatia City! and not to mention the other cities which does include the 1stEden, 1st and 2nd expeditions of Cyprus. These are all paths not ever seen before and no one has been told about this through there pastor or leader.

If we verify the city including the recovery of the Seven commands that would get everyone thinking and reassessing.

What a plan of Salvation that is. How beautiful is that to provide man with a clear sign that is full of beauty and enlightenment but then it can dire to some as that represents truth. Consider there ids definitely a new book involved that harmonised with all books of religion and that will be confirmed and witnessed by all by mystery and discovery which the Bible is very much part of. Its is in the Bible, praise the good Father for that so if one fonds the new book uncomfortable thats OK because it can found, the mystery in your own book with also is a self contained path.

Making it easy as pie for man.

But it is also prophesied that no one will believe this and it will be spurned by all.

Thats is true I see evidence of that here, from many UB people and even in the workplace where people have overheard my conversation.

I tell you no one will believe and that makes me feel miserable to be honest, to be fully rejected and offered no spiritual support from any quarter.

However I did get a little support from my physical Father which was completely fitting and I know the Father in the "Kingdom of Heaven" will bless that greatly. Because it right and it follows that path of Paradise, two Fathers helping out there faith son in the Endeavour to get closer to the mystery and cities for final completion and VICTORY in FAITH.

It tells me that the only supporters of this project is The Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and the faith son and that is it.

Everybody else has run to the hills, all mankind has rejected the final mystery and has spurned the journeys to the ancient places. Its so bad that mankind does not and will not even respond to the call no matter what his belief is. Man in this project has responded like a real asshole and has done nothing to support or even speak! This is how useless he is in the grand scheme of Paradise and its paths to salvation in this time related to the mystery.

Personally, how much longer when all this dissemination comes to its conclusion. Its must be close and things are really being defined quite clearly and is finding validation.

Sevens

Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:20 pm

This is an extract of the Jesus papers of the Essenes, a recorded sermon on a mount that I discovered a couple of years ago and was looking at it from the 1Eden prospective but is now applicable with Dalamatia City being the first city.

Quote:

"Peace I bring to thee, my children,
The Sevenfold Peace
Of the Earthly Mother
And the Heavenly Father.
Peace I bring to thy body,
Guided by the Angel of Power; Peace I bring to thy heart,
Guided by the Angel of Love; Peace I bring to thy mind,
Guided by the Angel of Wisdom. Through the Angels of
Power, Love and Wisdom,
Thou shalt travel the Seven Paths Job 38 "the paths" The 1st Eden connection.
Of the Infinite Garden, (1st Eden of Cyprus)

Yea, I tell thee truly,
The paths are seven

Through the Infinite Garden,
And each must be traversed
By the body, the heart and the mind As one,
Lest thou stumble
Into the abyss of emptiness.
For as a bird cannot fly with one wing,
So doth thy Bird of Wisdom
Need two wings of Power and Love
To soar above the abyss

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/essene_eden.htm

Combine this with the above and you have the whole construct of the journey to the ancient places.

Sevens

Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:45 am
No worries

I have been using scripture the whole time, here is a little example

../persian_gulf/index.htm

Nothing but scripture

But its different and would be hard to follow. I suppose if you dont read and follow the research it becomes that way.

However I would suggest to you to look at things wider and deeper.

The dead sea scrolls specifically speaks about the end times and specifically speaks about 3 books, one of them includes the Bible. So its not just the bible at the end times and it will be paths unheard of and not walk upon by any religious leader.

Also the witness I see here in threads regarding doctrine is just argument, accusation and division something I want no part of, might suit you but not me as its destructive and shows very little understanding of one another even though everyone appears to be using/back to the scriptures. But all I see is division and if thats what back to the scriptures means forget it.

I see no breakthroughs for religion just the same old cycle a fighting and murmuring against each other.

Also if you post a script can you explain it properly rather than replying in mysterious ways I cant understand. Also I want to make it clear to you. I have no desire to be anyones priest, everyone knows the truth in one way or another, they walk on there own, like I had to. Let people be there own priest walking with the Holy Spirit. and be there own person without sacrifice of the individual personality with all the pretense.

Gee I see the priests of the day and just about all of them have failed in there duty by pitting man against each other with incomplete doctrine and erroneous attitude. I saw one guy on TV espousing his prosperity doctrine, it was of the most ugliest sermons Ive ever seen in my life and full of ridiculous justification of back to scripts and not to mention the side show comedy that was just terrible. Already I could see how the church is going to be corrected and it will be severely.

sevens

Getting closer to the ancient places

Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:33 am

A Ub fragment about Susa

Quote:

Here is a UB fragment

line 139: It was during the floodtimes that Susa so greatly prospered. The first and lower city was inundated so that the second or higher town succeeded the lower as the headquarters for the peculiar artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution of these floods, Ur became the center of the pottery industry. About seven thousand years ago Ur was on the Persian Gulf, the river deposits having since built up the land to its present limits. These settlements suffered less from the floods because of better controlling works and the widening mouths of the rivers.

The design seen on the fragment can also be seen in the Design features of what I think is submerged Dilmun in the North.

here is an image of Babel in Dilmun

Here is a gallery of Babel in Dilmun

http://dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/index.htm

Also the distant reflections of the design of Dalamatia City, the triangle city was adopted by the Nodites and this can be seen in these vases found in 2nd Susa.

Note the triangle and the 5 divisions within the triangle chevron

In my mind this design is a match to this UB description of the Patterned homes of Dalamatia

Here is the fragment

Quote:

line 166: The Prince's staff lived together as fathers and mothers. True, they had no children of their own, but the fifty pattern homes of Dalamatia never sheltered less than five hundred adopted little ones assembled from the superior families of the Andonic and Sangik races; many of these children were orphans. They were favored with the discipline and training of these superparents; and then, after three years in the schools of the Prince (they entered from thirteen to fifteen), they were eligible for marriage and ready to receive their commissions as emissaries of the Prince to the needy tribes of their respective races.

and here is a image of the patterned homes in the Triangle City, there 10 major division with 5 subdivision in each division in Dalamatia. The 10 major divisions of Dalamatia make up the triangle as displayed in this funeral Vase of Susa, a clear match and relationship.

and another view of the pattern homes within the Great V or the triangle

and the triangle City

All reflected in the designs of Susa which ultimately came from submerged Dilmun nearby including the Triangle chevron with the circle in the middle.

However Dilmun in the North was submerged many thousands of years before 1st Susa and after 1Susa was flooded the inhabitants brought there culture, history and designs with them and built the Second Susa as we know of today.

Here is a fragment about the Susa pottery and designs

Quote:

It is chiefly by the many thousand broken pieces of pottery found in the lowest deposits of the Susa mound that the story has been built up, bit by bit, of these unknown immigrants from an unknown land; something like the reconstruction of the unseen, lame, half-blind camel in "The Arabian Nights." This pottery is wonderfully hard and thin, not much thicker than a couple of postcards, and it rings like porcelain, though it is not so transparent. The forms are simple and graceful; they were produced on a rudimentary potter's wheel, used with a skill that was probably due to the inherited experience of many generations of craftsmen. Nearly all the bowls and vases were elaborately decorated either inside or outside with strange designs, most of which have no similarity with any designs found in other parts of the world, so that we have no due to the country where these potters learned their art, though we can be fairly sure that they brought it from some centre of civilization where it had been undergoing a long period of development. For it is now admitted that ornamental designs in all countries and in all ages are not the chance product of the craftsman's brain-they have a regular evolution from the simple to the complex, most of the simple designs being evidently based on natural forms of men or animals.

There are other indications that the earliest colonists of Susa were well civilized before they left that unknown parent country, for in their (Page 699) burial ground outside the city walls are found the bronze hatchets of the men, and the mirrors, the needles, and ointment vases of the women; there are also relics of delicate fabrics finely woven on a loom. The human remains in the graves have unfortunately been so crushed by the immense weight of the overlying deposits that have accumulated above them for forty centuries that it is impossible for ethnologists to decide whether they were members of the white, the black, or the yellow races. People became very interested over the finding of Tutankhamen's tomb, although its contents added relatively little to our knowledge of the origins or the development of civilization; how much more interesting would be the finding of the unknown home country of the colonists of Susa, the earliest artistic potters that have as yet given us an insight into the origins of their craft. There are no traces of inscriptions on any of their relics, so we cannot even guess what language they may have spoken. The community vanished as mysteriously as it arrived; a thick layer of charcoal and ashes being the only evidence of the catastrophe that overwhelmed them.

Sevens

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:21 am Writngs of Jiroft  that I believe reflect the writing of the Nodites in this area and which reflects back to the Dilmuns and on to Dalamatia City.

Here is another per Sumerian language found in Iran..It comes from Jiroft in Southern Iran near the Headwaters 9000 years ago and to me is pointer to the Dilmun of the East civilization that formed after the destruction of Dalamatia City.

Oldest inscriptions ever from Jiroft, Southern Iran near Dilmun to the East submerged Dalamatia City in the land of Atana as known then.

Note the triangle and circle symbol...I wonder what the inscriptions means.

Here is a web online video about Jiroft South Eastern Iran the oldest civilisation and predates Sumeria and is in the area of the Dilmun to the east and North.

http://www.persianwonders.com/page7.html

Here is another Movie of Jiroft which is extremely close to Dilmun of the East close to Dalamatia City

The evidence seems to support my all along assertions about these ancient places even before this discovery as found today.

Also note the triangle with one circle in the middle is a Nodite signature which comes from Dalamatia City. I believe the Symbol of Van the loyal ones are the 3 coplanar circles.

My Symbol is the triangle with a big
7's in the middle.

Also note that the above inscriptions are triangles, circles and Squares. This is the same physical construct of the universal capitals where its base design is influenced by Circles, squares and diamonds which also relates to Dalamatia City which based on the same design. Each Pattern is an abode of certain type of people in the administration of the system capitals.

All reflected in the pre Sumerian Scripts in symbolism, the same symbolism we see today.

We are talking about "The Kingdom of Heaven" not just the Gospel of Jesus but also the Gospel of "the Kingdom of Heaven".

This is in prophecy! and its being spread across the world through the Internet...St Epriam 300AD, a Syriac Christian priest speaks about it.

They are the MOUNTAINS of GOD.

sevens

Note the Vees in all the designs, a distant reflection of the first triangle city.

Note the Vees of Dalamatia City, all distant reflections of the first place and of 2nd Dilmun, the triangles and the vees.

Note the circles

Jiroft not far from 1stDilmun, 1stDilmunwas  built 200,000 years ago! and existed for 50,000 years when 2ndDilmun was built.

Remember the Vees.

note the 3 concentric circles

triangles and circles seem to be the main symbol of Jiroft.

http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/5/12225

Studies by five linguists from the United States, France, Russia, Denmark, and Iran on a discovered inscription in Jiroft indicate that this Elamit script is 300 years older than that of the great civilization of Susa. Archeologists believe that Jiroft was the origin of Elamit written language in which the writing system developed first and was then spread across the country and reached Susa. The discovered inscription of Jiroft is the most ancient written script found so far.

The city of Jiroft is situated close to Halil Rud historical site. Halil Rud, located on the basin of Halil Rood River enjoyed a rich civilization. Many stone and clay objects as well as other historical evidence belonging to the third millennium BC have been discovered during the archeological excavations and also the illegal diggings by the smugglers in this area. 120 historical sites, including that of Jiroft, have been identified in the basin of the 400 kilometer length of Halil Rud River.

According to archeological studies, the history of Halil Rud area goes back to some 3000 years ago. The discovered stone dishes in the area belonging to the first half of the third millennium BC point to the developed art of carving on stones at that time.

"Five Elamit professional linguists from different countries have studied the brick inscription discovered in Jiroft. According to the studies, they have concluded that this discovered inscription is 300 years older than that found in Susa; and most probably the written language went to Susa from this region. However, more studies are still needed to give a final approval to this thesis," said Yousof Majid Zadeh, head of archeological excavation team in Jiroft.

"This inscription was discovered in a palace. Although it is not yet known which Elamit king this inscription belongs to, it is definitely an Elamit inscription. More studies are needed to determine the exact time in which it was inscribed, but most probably it is the most ancient written language. Further excavations are being carried out to find the rest of the inscription. However, what is obvious about this discovered inscription is that it is older than the Elamit inscription of Susa," explained Majidzadeh.

Sevens

Caral and the connections to the Andites

Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:16 am

Caral is another civilisation that stems back to 5000BC. People think its the first civilisation however its only the product of the 132 Andites that ended in Peru

here is a ub search on the Andites in the Pacific and the originators of the Caral

Quote:

# line 75: The peoples of India lay stagnant, with a civilization that was unprogressing; the yellow man was consolidating his holdings in central Asia; the brown man had not yet begun his civilization on the near-by islands of the Pacific.

# line 104: O ne hundred and thirty-two of this race, embarking in a fleet of small boats from Japan, eventually reached South America and by intermarriage with the natives of the Andes established the ancestry of the later rulers of the Incas. They crossed the Pacific by easy stages, tarrying on the many islands they found along the way. The islands of the Polynesian group were both more numerous and larger then than now, and these Andite sailors, together with some who followed them, biologically modified the native groups in transit. Many flourishing centers of civilization grew up on these now submerged lands as a result of Andite penetration. Easter Island was long a religious and administrative center of one of these lost groups. But of the Andites who navigated the Pacific of long ago none but the one hundred and thirty-two ever reached the mainland of the Americas.

The Andites originated in the Persian Gulf! Where Civilisation began from.

Ans another search of the UB to compliment the Video in the above link

Quote:

line 105: The migratory conquests of the Andites continued on down to their final dispersions, from 8000 to 6000 B.C. As they poured out of Mesopotamia, they continuously depleted the biologic reserves of their homelands while markedly strengthening the surrounding peoples. And to every nation to which they journeyed, they contributed humor, art, adventure, music, and manufacture. They were skillful domesticators of animals and expert agriculturists. For the time being, at least, their presence usually improved the religious beliefs and moral practices of the older races. And so the culture of Mesopotamia quietly spread out over Europe, India, China, northern Africa, and the Pacific Islands.

And no doubt builders of large cities.

and another fragment

quote:

line 110: These civilizations were evolutionary products of the Sangiks, notwithstanding that traces of Andite blood reached Peru . Excepting the Eskimos in North America and a few Polynesian Andites in South America, the peoples of the Western Hemisphere had no contact with the rest of the world until the end of the first millennium after Christ. In the original Melchizedek plan for the improvement of the Urantia races it had been stipulated that one million of the pure-line descendants of Adam should go to upstep the red men of the Americas

Sevens

posted 12-09-2007 04:43 AM

Here is an image of Giant or perhaps a Nodite as they giants in them days.

Gee they were tall, I suppose Goliath being the last of rephaim was that height.

sevens

posted 12-09-2007 04:30 PM

Hi Brig

I was wondering if the blue comet was coming our way?

or just passing through a distant part of the solar system. Im not sure if its the great blue comet in prophecy however I suppose it is intriguing the natural process of this comet.

I suppose the only thing we can do is see what happens at the end of the day.

It could be significant or simply a comet passing through with unusual qualities. However , the timing is interesting in light of the journey.

all the best
sevens

posted 12-09-2007 04:48 PM

quote:

Gerogous has given more scientific proof of where this city of atlantis might have been in his own words and study.

No he hasnt, he is still in the theory stage and has not produced any hard evidence of anything. Its still theory stage.

Until he can produce hard evidence even in an unadulterated image, its still in total theory stage.

Artwork does not cut it man wants and demands more than art work.

even this part of the quote "atlantis might have been" makes it still in theory stage.

the same can be said for Riven, his research is only in theory stage in the infant stage.

Until anyone can produce hard evidence its all in theory land.

sevens

posted 12-09-2007 04:48 PM

quote:

Gerogous has given more scientific proof of where this city of atlantis might have been in his own words and study.

No he hasnt, he is still in the theory stage and has not produced any hard evidence of anything. Its still theory stage.

Until he can produce hard evidence even in an unadulterated image, its still in total theory stage.

Artwork does not cut it man wants and demands more than art work.

even this part of the quote "atlantis might have been" makes it still in theory stage.

the same can be said for Riven, his research is only in theory stage in the infant stage.

Until anyone can produce hard evidence its all in theory land.

There is only one truth and one Atlantis, city of the Gods and that will prove itself in the timeline.

We have all been here for many years now discussing, uncovering and debating and still we seem to be rehashing old things and thoughts.

I believe the journey to Persian Gulf is the major breakthrough which does have support of the Atlantis Gods so to speak because its simply the truth.

Each day I am getting closer even to the point where the religious governments in the area are looking into the matter in there own archaeological investigation and who are uncovering major Nodite civilizations that predate Sumeria as we understand it today.

All in line with the truth of the matter.

Well for me I just praise and give thanks to the Lord in the Kingdom of Heaven for this great and vast journey of truth.

Thank you Father! yea! I'm just so inspired by his love for mankind to help us along the way of truth that can be measured physically.

This journey will prove the existence of God which can be measured. That's what man needs! Action and discovery and no more talk and debate, we know where to go and what to find!

Lets just do it. Lets just sink a few million into this and just go there and prove the matter. Like real men of courage walking together with the Gods and with the Son of Man and the Father of the universe.

Ok whose got a few million to sink into this??

Where is mans faith and courage and boldness in faith? to the City of the Gods.

Come on mankind get your asses now is time to venture out, not later, NOW. There heritage of the ages are waiting for us to claim for mankind!

I tell you this is the best opportunity for man to do something really inspiring and worthwhile. This will fix the planet and destroy error that leads to death and destruction.

Hey instead of being divided on this forum why don't we drop the things that doesn't connect and just simply all rally together for and expedition to the Persian Gulf. If we did that all together as one, we all be winners and grinners in truth.

We will all win and be victorious in light of truth. There will will be no losers at all.

sevens

posted 12-09-2007 05:31 PM

No worries Doc,

I say lets go the triangle City in the Persian Gulf and prove its existence for a start.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/persian_gulf/dalamatia1_thumb.jpg

There should be heaps of evidence to uncover as we have an abundance of information and also we can see anomalies in the images that fit the description.

If its a huge success which I have no doubt, then we can explore other places and perhaps help out Georgeous in his theory and see if there is something there.

Something Like that where we go to all the places and prove whether its right or wrong and at the same time help each other out but in a sense of brotherhood enough of this division stuff!

Other than that we will still be here in 10 years time talking about the same things.

Sevens

posted 12-09-2007 11:14 PM

Sorry for the offense Its just that I asked numerous times for real images not artwork and I got sick of it. Still I cant see delivery and I find most of the articles just rehashes from years ago.

I went to the more photos link and this is what I found. Nothing

except

quote:

Estás intentando entrar en área restringida.

Lo sentimos pero esta sección de nuestro sitio es sólo para Usuarios Registrados

Puedes registrarte de forma gratuíta aquí, luego podrás
acceder a esta sección sin restricciones. Gracias.

I suppose now you can see why I got a little pissed off.

I really dont now what is the big deal with the vases when you consider there is concentric circular outline in Bashan that goes back 5000BC which predates the area your speaking off and is very close to where Melchizedek came from.

Concentric circles where in other places before Spain thats for sure and are thousands of years older.

Spain is not the origins of mankind and that is known world wide.

I don't know what Doc is speak about "evidence" what evidence a couple vases, that's all, of which could of mean something totally different to what you think.

How about some images of major remnants of a lost city and proper images to boot, like what all the archaeologist on the planet posts up.

Like the guy in Jiroft posted up hard facts, real images and an worthy explanation of his thought in light of the evidence before him. Even a short movie...good on him! Note The jiroft artifacts are full of circles and triangles which is reflective of Dalamatia in symbolism and spreads its way through the Nodite/Sangik civilisation of Elam even into 2nd Susa.

Way before Spain in this case of Jiroft 7000BC a long time before Plato.

Sevens

posted 12-10-2007 12:02 AM

I took it down but I do object to the destruction of the heritages in iran

sevens

sevens

posted 12-10-2007 04:51 AM Jane Lead interpretation

I dont know, all I know is that Im upset upon learning that all the heritages of man in that country is under threat of destruction due to bad intentions and motives. Its a breach of duty of care of our heritages.

Actually there is a scripture that refers to this exact situation. III have to try and find it.

thats all I can think of at the moment. But this is the first time the first places have ever been exposed to mankind and it will prove so in the future more so than the images and descriptions. I think Plato's story is about many submerged places in one way or another and essentially the realities of this place is reflected by Plato. Also we are talking about 150,000 years not 1400BC or whatever. Any assumption to city of the gods being in the 1400BC range and is stupid its just way of the mark and not worth considering.

Also, if man learnt to live with each in peace and fostered progress rather than destruction there would be no hunger and homeless on this planet. But thats not possible as man is too self indulgent.

Any I was looking for that scripture and I found this curious piece from the pearl 3 of St Ephraim.

quote:

With the weapon of the deceiver the First-born clad Himself, that with the weapon that killed, He might restore to life again! With the tree wherewith he slew us, He delivered us. With the wine which maddened us, with it we were made chaste!

With the rib that was drawn out of Adam, the wicked one drew out the heart of Adam. There rose from the Rib31 a hidden power , which cut off Satan as Dagon: for in that Ark a book was hidden that cried and proclaimed concerning the Conqueror! There was then a mystery revealed, in that Dagon was brought low in his own place of refuge!32

The accomplishment came after the type, in that the wicked one was brought low in the place in which he trusted!

Blessed be He Who came and in Him were accomplished the mysteries of the left hand, and the right hand.

33 Fulfilled was the mystery that was in the Lamb, and fulfilled was the type that was in Dagon. Blessed is He Who by the True Lamb redeemed us, and destroyed our destroyer as He did Dagon!

This place got me going

for in that Ark a book was hidden that cried and proclaimed concerning the Conqueror! There was then a mystery revealed, in that Dagon was brought low in his own place of refuge!32

The ark is a book concerning the Father and all of his creation, the UB as far as I am concerned, the hidden book. The a mystery was revealed through book where Dagon, Belial or whatever name you choose for the last rebel is brought low, falling from his seat of power.

The accomplishment came after the type, in that the wicked one was brought low in the place in which he trusted!

The accomplishment was made in this way through a book, mystery where the powers of the planet shifted, the wicked one was brought low in the place where he was trusted and that is the first place Dalamatia City.

I other words the discovery of the city and the Seventh mystery relates to the discovery of the first place where this whole planetary saga began.

Blessed be He Who came and in Him were accomplished the mysteries of the left hand, and the right hand.

33 Fulfilled was the mystery that was in the Lamb, and fulfilled was the type that was in Dagon. Blessed is He Who by the True Lamb redeemed us, and destroyed our destroyer as He did Dagon!

To me the mystery is conveyed through right hand and the left hand which to me speaks of computer keyboard. Where both hands are used in the way of writing.

The mystery was fulfilled and became successful and it is related to Jesus, the Son of Man directly. This mystery leads to the destruction of Belial or Caligastia the X planetary prince and is headed by the Son of Man or the Lamb or Jesus himself.

The above scripture is another description of this journey. Its seems that this will be successfull.

Here is another piece from Jane Lead 1600

quote:

Wherefore also he is eminently call’d] the Everlasting Father. [For in this last Ministration, the Eternal Father opens his Principle, and joins in the Peculiar Power, thereof, to relieve and reverse the long Dying and Suffering State of Christ in his Church to a State of Glory and Triumph. And thus he becomes the True Prince of Peace.

[Putting an End to the Bloody Wars and Persecutions that have been raised hitherto against his Church, whether by the Prince and Powers of Darkness, or of this World: Quenching the Spirit of Strife and Division in it :

Pouring out the Spirit of Meekness and Brotherly Love among all Nations, and turning their Swords into Plough-Shares, and their spears into Pruning-Hooks: Reconciling the Discord of the Elements and all the Contrarieties of Nature, so that nothing shall hurt or destroy in his Holy Mountain.

Introducing the Blessed and Peaceable Reign of the True Solomon, (whereof the former was but a Type and Shadow) wherein shall be the abundant Increase and Plenty of all good things; Riches both Spiritual and Temporal ; with the highest Honour, Magnificence and Glory: and also Prolongation of Life, as in the Patriarchal Age for Enjoyment of it. Which is the Dowry of the Virgin-Wisdom; as it is said, Length of Days is in her Right Hand, and in her Left, Riches and Honours.

This could be the verse but Im not sure if its related to the current scenario of the destruction of the all the Heritages of the ages.

quote:

Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it:

so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.

sevens

posted 12-10-2007 05:39 AM

Halls of amenti

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Then from his throne came one of the Masters,
taking my hand and leading me onward,
through all the Halls of the deep hidden land.
Led he me through the Halls of Amenti,
showing the mysteries that are known not to man.

Through the dark passage, downward he led me,
into the Hall where site the dark Death.
Vast as space lay the great Hall before me,
walled by darkness but yet filled with Light.

Toth

quote:

Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber.
Then reveal I to him the great mysteries.
I, Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him,
even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him,

Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him
and dwell with him always.

sevens

posted 12-10-2007 01:42 PM

Hi Doc, thats a pity that there is skepticism about Toth.

Pity because I thought Toth in essence sounded pretty good to be honest. If you are compeletely correct why couldn't the author just write it straight without all the pretense.

To be honest I was quite impressed with the work.

However If I look at the Toth piece

Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber.
Then reveal I to him the great mysteries.
I, Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him,
even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him,
Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him
and dwell with him always

You can see that the mystery involves information that leads man to a defined place where the Father will meet him.

I feel that defines the principles of this journey.

In this case we are following the books that leads to a defined place which has religion all over it and is related to our heritage. A place where the Father will lead man and the Father will meet him there. It seems to be a place of darkness, like in a submerged city which I believe is a good contender as in this journey.

To me it speaks of this current journey, we are speaking about the first places where there is unfinished business.

Toth be it a substitute for the Father in this case seems to form a beautiful relationship with the person he meets at the place.

But to be honest I not sure whether whether I could meet the Father at the first place as it will take money to get out there. I certainly dont have any funds to go out there. So in light of this it would have to take a serious miracle for that component to happen. Also Im not sure if anyone has the balls to invest in such a faith mission. Even in light of me spilling all the information including the images. Man just doesn't respond, its amazing! Surely there must be one supporter.

Not one! I find that incredible no matter what is posted.

Just amazing with all money in the world and millions of corporations and individuals that are flush with funds no one will invest...not one.

I find that incredible considering we are speaking of the greatest archaeological discovery on the planet. That will bring much blessings to the individuals that walk in faith to the ancient places and to the believers.

No one wants to be a part of this let alone supporting such a worthy venture.

I tell you this journey will be written up in the annals of the planet which includes the records of Paradise and will be respected by the Universal Fathers.

And yet no one even gets stimulated by the prospect! I just cant believe it how far away is man with the Father. Even the Christians run for hills to save there useless doctrine in this time. A doctrine that will be corrected for the better and further defined in truth through this process.

Its a great adventure for man that he rejects. Incredible!

In the system capitals where our kind live there is a stone wall that encompasses our history and record of the Planet which begins 500,000 years before Dalamatia City, when the planet was deemed a inhabited planet, when man self conscious of God and worshiped him which enacted the 6th and 7th Adjutant spirit, above the 5 levels of animal behavior. We became self realized at that time. 1,000,000 years ago.

On this stone block there is 2 kilometers of the wall that is clear and reserved until the completion of truth of this planet. I wouldn't be surprised if this journey will documented on this cleared part of the wall. If that is case all participant will be named and honored for eternity.

There is a great prize in this journey for all.

Also there is shrine of mystery that was set up in the system capital in our domain when Jesus completed his time here. Only Jesus knows about the Mystery of this shrine and is the only that can unlock this mystery. I wouldn't be surprised if the great mystery does involve this journey in part.

The success of this journey is not just for the benefit of this planet but for all the planets that fell into rebellion where there communications circuits where cut. This journey and the success of it will be instrumental in lifting the quarantine of the other planets as well.

There is real universal consequence in this project and all the eyes of the universal admin not to mention all the inhabitants are looking at us right now. They are expecting big things from us which we will fulfill.

This is truly an underdog project of faith and yet it has the greatest potential for mankind and his destiny and the whole 7 super universes, Havona  and Paradise is viewing us with great interest.

All eyes are upon us and how do we respond in light of our self proclaimed spirituality in light of real truth.

Great honor will come out of this project for eternity, for ever and ever and the all will be known throughout the universe for ever from this record and project of faith!

If you desire real honor for eternity this is the project to get involved in and do something! For me I just do this because I really enjoy it and I love to work with the Father on such a grand and exciting project of destiny.

Plus its just FUN! where we are all friends and work together with a fraternal good spirit amongst all the angels and Jesus whose focus is directly on the first place where it all began. Also the disciples of Jesus are involved in this to including the prophets of old.

This project is a "kingdom of Heaven" project working with man and it will come to pass and be highly successful for eternity!

all the best sevens

 seven8 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1
The Lost City

Hi

Here is some images of the Lost City, the first city Dalamatia City.

I have been in this journey for 4 years and i believe in the research that it is the great sign of a transition and the City where there unfinished business of Paradise. I believe it is something that was hidden and is being revealed for the benefit of mankind but it may represent a correction by Paradise. This city was where man first learned all things. Its also where the Sons of God lived and in one moment most of them fell into rebellion. I believe Allah or the Father in Paradise has unfinished business in this city and that it is a sign prepared by the Most High of the execution of Judgement or some transition of some type that increases our truth and understanding as it can be measured.

Here is another close up the walls and the anomalies

../persian_gulf/index.htm

There is alot to think about in this journey, Its been honest and truthful and its for the benefit of all brotherhoods. It may represent a path as mankind's soul is searched.

I hope it helps us all, Ive shared this with the Christian religions and there has been no response I feel I should share it here but I expect no response.

It makes absolutely no difference whether anyone believe this or not.

No problem, I'm just doing my job for Paradise, I want us all to be successfull as all mankind will go through the abyss of the transition.

I believe its all to do with the last the judgement of the last rebel as the demise of the rebellion stemmed from this very city built by the Sons of God.

Just note I have drawn from all the books of religion which does include the Quran and the Hadiths, I have been impressed by many fragments in the Hadiths. But also in Enoch and many other books that I feel have all the pieces of the puzzle as well. Its a universal project forming a oneness on a focalization that led to this most interesting place.

Seven8

http://vjri.purpleguy.com/Discoveries/The_Lost_City_of_Gilgal

http://vjri.purpleguy.com/Researcher/articles/A_Door_of_Hope

"Ouhm", means a righteous Non-Jew who fears and worships HaShem and guards the Seven Laws of Noah.

The poem, in part, reads: "... they shall stand head to head, heart to heart shoulder to shoulder and hand in hand against many obstacles and much opposition. They will not stop until they have swept every corner and found her [the Ashes of the Cow]."

the word Jubilee actually means the "Year of the Return of the Heritage" [Morashah] and the "Year of the return to Inheritance" [Yirushah]. {Leviticus 25:} The Land of Israel is the Heritage of the People of Israel.

http://vjri.purpleguy.com/Researcher/Articles/Our_Excavations_in_Israel

But when Jeremiah found it out, he blamed them and said, "The place shall be unknown until G-d gathers the congregation of his people together and shows his mercy. Then the L-rd will show where they are, and the glory of the L-ord will appear, as they were shown in the days of Moses, and when Solomon asked that the place might be made very sacred."

http://vjri.purpleguy.com/Researcher/Articles/Our_Excavations_in_IsraelBut when Jeremiah found it out, he blamed them and said, "The place shall be unknown until G-d gathers the congregation of his people together and shows his mercy. Then the L-rd will show where they are, and the glory of the L-ord will appear, as they were shown in the days of Moses, and when Solomon asked that the place might be made very sacred."

posted 12-14-2007 03:49 AM

I wish I could go to the Persian Gulf and physically prove Dalamatia City, the triangle city and bring it into the realms of hard physical science. The only thing I can rely on that comes close to science is the NASA Worldwind.

I agree with the above.

Sevens

posted 12-14-2007 04:13 AM

I think this image alone of Babel in Dilmun is a good contender for Atlantis from the canals surrounding prospective to. Babel/Dilmun to the North of Dalamatia City adopted much of the myths of the first city Dalamatia.

One thing for sure, its circular and it has canals system surrounding it and leading to the sea.

The canal system seems to be uniform height which ideally suits a canal system on the top of the walls.

Just the design alone seems match Atlantis in design on face value.

I reckon this Atlantis.

Again you can see the uniformity of the huge canal system in the following image.

There she blows, Babel in Dilmun or Atlantis in my view. But the destruction of Atlantis was borrowed from the destruction of the triangle City soon after the fall of the Sons of God. I believe Babel/Dilmun in the North was destroyed by rising sea levels in a gradual way, where they built the canals slowly upwards over time. Where the wall breached and destroyed the place as mentioned in Isaiah and then you have the mention of Sevenfold soon after.

Babel was a commercial centre to and which matches the Atlantis description including the canals that lead to the sea.

I believe I have a real contender here in breaking the Atlantis myth.

Just think, looking at the images I wonder what we see is a metaphor to the current climate of rising sea levels and the destruction of the Babylon System meaning the whole system due to 6m rapid sea level rise if Half the Antarctic breaks of and and melts and over time warms and expands.

Sudden rise would destroy the system and all fulfills prophecy. When we look at the Babel images are we seeing the future?

I'm sorry what other people think but I dont see any prosperity in the future if this is a prospect!

I ask why would we find Babel know if there weren't some impending things to happen. Also with rapid melt and warming, extra weight on the plates means land emergence and submergence. Where one may think its safe may not be.

Here is another prospective.

Its interesting Babel was designed to be a great commercial centre of trade and which was fulfilled however the the builders never listened to the advice of building the structure closer inland in remembrance to the destruction of Dalamatia. Looking at it now we now that the advice was right

Hence we see the same thing today with our commercial center of the world in the face of possible rapid sea level rise. The system of Babel destroyed by water. We see the same advice today but who really listening at the end of the day. We have to move to independent energy devices and water collection units and portable growing houses and many other things...A moving population with the ability to sustain itself.

and another image

Sevens

Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:31 am

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand

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Who will elect God’s Will?

There is a group described in scripture that live in the Latter days (now). They have an important task to complete and they are described in great detail in scripture that was written by the Old Testament Prophets (Contact Personalities) who collaborated with Melchizedek as told in the Urantia Book.

The following are excerpts from the book The Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand. The latter days are when Jews are regathered from all over the world back to their homeland of Israel only to be attacked, in a still future prophecy, by "all the nations" in war As you read the current events of this unfolding situation in modern Israel it is good to be aware that what is happening now was prophesied over 2500 years ago. We are living in a very special time in history which will witness the coming of Melchizedek to assume his rightful sovereignty of our world. The group of people described below are characterized by their willingness to elect the will of God over and above their own.

The act of choosing the Will of God over all other concerns requires the obliteration of the dead center of doubt and results in the total identification of man’s will with God’s Will. Let’s look further at these people in scripture who elect the Will of God as their own.

Those Who Elect God’s Will

1Enoch 95:4 You shall not fear those who trouble you;
for restoration shall be yours; a splendid light shall shine around
you, and the voice of tranquility shall be heard from Heaven.

1Enoch 97:9 But in those days blessed shall they be, to whom the word of
wisdom is delivered; who point out and pursue the path of the
Most High (God); who walk in the way of righteousness, and
who act not impiously with the impious.

The ‘word of wisdom is delivered’ to the elect through special books as we shall see later. Continuing on with the those who elect God we have:

1Enoch 91:2 Let not your spirit be grieved on account of the times; for the
holy, the Great One, has prescribed a period to all.

1Enoch 91:3 Let the righteous man arise from slumber; let him arise, and
proceed in the path of righteousness, in all its paths; and let him
advance in goodness and in eternal clemency.

1Enoch 91:1 That which was written by Enoch. He wrote all this instruction
of wisdom for every man of dignity, and every judge of the earth,
for all my children who shall dwell on the earth and for subsequent
generations.

1Enoch l: 1 The word of the blessing of Enoch, how he blessed the elect and the
righteous who were to exist in the time of trouble. (the end of the age
trial period)

1Enoch 1:2 From them (the angels in his vision) I (Enoch) heard all things, that
will not take place in this generation, but in a distant generation,
which is to succeed on account of the elect.

1Enoch 1:9 The elect shall possess light, joy, and peace; and they shall inherit the earth.

1Enoch 1:11 Then shall wisdom be given to the elect, all of whom will live and
not transgress.

1Enoch Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and wise shall
109:10 be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom…Who from
these (books) shall acquire the knowledge of every upright path.

A particular group of people is being described here. So far, this group, referred to as the elect:

1. Receive books of great wisdom, through which they are made wise
2. Acquire the knowledge of every upright path
3. Pursue and point out the path of the Most High (God)
4. Live in the latter days, the time of tribulation, in a distant generation from
Enoch.
5. Inherit the earth (after the ruling elite are deposed)
6. Are from among ‘Israel’ or Christendom of today.

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/WHO.htm

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/

The Book of Revelation contains a vision of the apostle John where John is instructed to write messages to the seven churches. The seven churches are the various types or groups of Christians living at the end of the age right before Messiah Melchizedek arrives. These messages contain a divine assessment of the pluses and minuses of each group or personality type existing at the end of the age upon us now. All of the seven churches have considerable portions of negative criticism except for one – the Church of Philadelphia:

Revelation 3:7 And to the church of Philadelphia write: "This is the message
from the one who is holy and true. He (Jesus) has the key that belonged
to David, and when he opens a door, No one can close, and when
he closes a door, No one can open it.

The one who is holy and true, with the key of David, is Jesus Christ who holds the keys to the spiritual kingdom of heaven within. He says to the church of Philadelphia:

Revelation 3:8 I know your works. Behold, I have set an open door before you,
which no one is able to shut; I know that you have but little power;
and that you have kept my word (or have been faithful to my message: Phillips
translation) and have not denied my Name (Jesus).

This is a group that Jesus gives wholehearted approval (an open door), living at the end of The Age, who are true to the message of Jesus, the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Consider the "door" which Jesus speaks of:

Revelation 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock,’ if anyone hears my voice and opens his
door, I will come in to dine and eat with him and he with Me.

Matthew 7:7 Keep on asking and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you will find, keep
on knocking and the door will be opened to you.

John 10:1 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, he who does not enter by the
door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way is a thief and
robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of sheep…

10:6 But they (the apostles) did not understand what He was talking

10:7 I tell you that I Myself (Jesus) am the Door of the Sheep.

The door represents entrance into the kingdom of heaven within where man communes directly with God, as son with Father. For the price of faith and obedience, God promises to do everything else. Jesus is the personification of faith and of obedience to God’s will: "not my will but Your will be done," Jesus prays. And so, the Father is glorified in Jesus and Jesus is glorified in his Father. "The kingdom of heaven is the will of God enthroned in the heart of man." (UB) And so, the door of the kingdom of heaven is always open to the members of the church of Philadelphia because they already know God and seek to do His Will, i.e. they already understand the kingdom of heaven. Now we need to know more about this church of Philadelphia:

Philadelphia, not a very large city, was a busy commercial center.
was the meeting point of roads from Sardis, from the coast and from
regions in the Northeast and Southeast. (Handbook on Revelation to John
– United Bible Societies)

The final letter to the church of Philadelphia takes us to the ultimate
evolutionary stage – full knowledge of consciousness, a state beyond
duality… (Revelation, Peter Lorie, Simon & Schuster)

From the very beginning Philadelphia was seen as a monument to the
possibility of divinity within mankind. The Greek word "philadelphiers"
means one who loves his brother"… Founded in around l50 B.C., it was
situated on high ground and formed a perfect geographical position for
trade. It was known as a gateway to the East…We can suppose that for
John, Philadelphia would have epitomized the ideal of a city which had
balance, good will, and good judgment. This gives us a good allegory for
the final stage of human spiritual evolution – that of enlightenment, the
ultimate consciousness, a state that brings perfect balance. At this stage
according to all Eastern and Western traditions, there is no duality, but a
oneness with life and all existence. The other six letters of Revelation can
be exemplified by the opposites of the Zodiac signs – Leo and Aquarius,
Gemini and Sagittarius, for example. Here we have characteristics that are
in opposition to one another, whereas in the final stage of human
development (as symbolized by Philadelphia) we become one with
existence – enlightened. (Peter Lorie, Revelation)

Put simply we become holy, the word derives from the Old English hal, whole or integrated and complete.
Transcendence, overcomes the paradox of duality, the experience of the reality of the Kingdom of heaven within allows us to identify with a higher, spiritual reality, instead of a lower, material reality. The higher completes the lower. And the Highest Reality, the source of all reality is God, who’s very Will is motivated by love and guided by wisdom. Now, lets look at the missing links contained in the Urantia Book regarding Philadelphia:

UB 1869 Within a short time after the destruction of Jerusalem, Antioch
became the headquarters of Pauline Christianity; while Philadelphia
remained the center of the Abnerian Kingdom of heaven.
From Antioch the Pauline version of the Teachings of Jesus and
the teaching about Jesus spread to all the Western World; from
Philadelphia the missionaries of the Abnerian Kingdom of heaven
spread throughout Mesopotamia and Arabia until the later times
when these uncompromising emissaries of the teachings of Jesus
were overwhelmed by the sudden rise of Islam.

UB 1832 …the believers at Philadelphia held more strictly to the religion
of Jesus, as he lived and taught, than any other group on earth.

Now prophecy is true both in the context of the time of its writing and in the time of its prophetic future fulfillment. And so, the church of Philadelphia spoken of in Revelation as existing in the latter days (now) would have characteristics like the church of Philadelphia existing at the time of John’s vision and writing. One might then expect this congregation or church of the latter days to be a group, like Abner’s, true to the message of Jesus (the gospel of the kingdom of heaven), and to be concerned with issues of brotherly love such as the brotherhood of man predicated on the Fatherhood of God. This is exactly the effect of the Urantia Book, ie; to explain and inspire the living of the kingdom of heaven within; the true way, the true gospel of Jesus that the apostles did not understand. The Urantia Book actually brings into being this latter day church of Philadelphia. The Urantia Book teaches the doing of God's Will. The elect are those who choose (elect) God's Will. Now if we integrate these concepts from Revelation about the Church of Philadelphia with the concepts of 1Enoch, one could envision a group in the latter days that:

1 is blessed with book(s) of joy and great wisdom;
2 that give them knowledge of the way of God which they practice
and point out to others; (the choosing of God's Will)
3 that know the true message of Jesus and are faithful to it, (the choosing
of God's Will)
4 and have reached the enlightenment stage of brotherly love.
5 live in the latter days, the time of tribulation, in a distant generation from
Enoch.
6 have but little worldly power, probably a small group.
7 Are found among ‘gentile’ Christians.

These descriptions from Enoch and Revelation seem to mesh very well. The "elect" congregation is one and the same as the "church of Philadelphia." Also, consider this line of scripture addressed to the church of Philadelphia:

Revelation 3:11 I am coming soon; hold fast what you have, so that no one may

Remember this crown?

Deuteronomy 33:16 Let the blessings come upon the head of Joseph, upon the crown
of the head of him who was separate (in Egypt) and prince among
his brothers. (The crown follows the "elect" , those who elect God.)

Those Who Elect God’s Will

Genesis 49:26 The blessings…on you (Joseph) are as lasting as the bounties of
the eternal hills; they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the
crown of the head of him…who is prince among them (twelve sons
of Jacob).

Genesis 37:9 Joseph dreamed another dream…He said, behold, this time not only eleven stars
but also the sun and moon bow down to reverence me.

The crown seems to track "the elect" which passes from Joseph to Ephraim. We have already seen that both terms Joseph and Ephraim are used to denote Lost Israel, which has in turn been identified with Christians. Therefore one might look for the elect among Christians and more specifically the future remnant of the Christians. The elect appears to be the leadership group, among the Christians, who know and practice the "path of God," who are given books of great wisdom (from which they learn the way of every upright path), who point out to others the path of the Most High (God), and who are faithful to the true message of Jesus. Now consider a slightly different use of the word elect as part of a completely different topic.

1Enoch 39:1 In those days the elect and holy race descend from the upper heavens
and their seed shall be with the sons of men.

This "holy and elect" race of people are implied to be not of the sons of men (human kind) Their "seed" shall be with the sons of men, apparently for procreative purposes. These are definitely physical beings because they produce "seed" presumably eggs, sperm or both. Since we are talking about physical beings, their "descent from the upper heavens" is also a physical event, which could be interpreted as coming down from the sky or space and "descending." Now consider:

UB 1025 Is there a possibility that an unexpected and unprecedented event
is about to take place, the sometime return to the planet of Adam and
Eve or certain of their progeny…

With a large amount of speculation, one might consider 1Enoch 39:1 as referring to the Adamic racial strain as the elect. This would explain why they are referred to as the "elect and holy race" as this race may be the children of Adam and Eve. The crown of Joseph may in part indicate his endowment of Adamic genes acquired through the breeding of a male line of the mixed Semitic heritage with the female line of an Adamically enriched heritage. The word elect may partly refer to similar genetics, as well as other more important intangible factors, such as the election of God’s will as their highest goal. Genetics may play a role in the nucleus of this group, but as in Moses’ time, in a majority of the group, genetics may play little or no role. Genetic considerations are present, but are a limited factor among many that define this group, or any other group for that matter.
Also consider:

Isaiah 45:4 …Israel mine elect, I have called thee by name: I have surnamed thee, though thou
hast not known me.

Here, Israel is addressed as "mine elect." We already know that Israel is derived from Joseph and that Lost Israel is modern Christendom. Again, the elect are among the Christians. Further, Christ in Christian means Messiah and the Messiah has been identified as Melchizedek, therefore Christians are surnamed after Melchizedek, the Messiah, who then says, "I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me." Christians are surnamed after Melchizedek the true Messiah or "Christ," and Christians do not know anything about him – yet! Remember, Jesus is not the Messiah! The name Christ (Messiah) is what Jesus is not. Rather, the person Jesus Christ lies above Melchizedek in the hierarchy of divine Sons, just as Adam and Eve lie below as described in the Urantia Book. At the very bottom of the hierarchy of course lies the human being, also a son of God, small s of course. We continue with further prophecy regarding the elect:

Isaiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an
inheritor of my mountains: and my elect shall inherit it, and my
servants shall dwell there.

This goes along with the statement in Enoch regarding the elect inheritance. The greater the number of different sources, the higher the probability of accuracy, although 1Enoch could be derived from Isaiah or vice-a-versa.

Matthew 24:22 And unless the Lord had shortened the days, no human being
Amplified would be saved; but for the sake of the elect; His chosen ones (those
Bible whom He picked out for Himself) he has shortened the days.

What is implied here is that God would allow the world to destroy itself if not for the presence of the elect. But we shouldn’t get the idea of a "chosen group" – this is definitely not so. The elect are those who elect God to a position of central importance in their lives. God has chosen every human being through the gift of His indwelling spirit. We are all chosen, but only some choose Him in return. It is not God’s Will that anyone suffer, either physically or spiritually, but due to prior antecedent causes, freely chosen, there is a harvest of evil to reap for the family of man. And even this, God will turn to the benefit of those that love Him.
Also consider:

Daniel 12:1 At that time…there shall be a time of trouble, straightness, and distress
Amplified such as never was since there was a nation till that time…
Bible

Daniel 12:3 And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the brightness
of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness shall give
forth light like the stars forever and ever.

Daniel 12:10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be
tried, smelted, and refined, but the wicked will do wickedly. And
none of the wicked will understand, but the teachers and those who
are wise shall understand.

Here we have a group who understand, are wise, and who teach others. They purify themselves because they choose God’s will under difficult circumstances and are transformed (purified and refined) in the process. These unnamed people of Daniel fit precisely with what we already know about the elect. Since these people of Daniel do the same things as the elect do, they are the same. Scripture speaks directly to these elect who choose God saying:

Isaiah 41:6 Each one helps the other.
Saying to his fellow, "take courage!"

Isaiah 41:9 You whom I drew from the ends of the earth
And called from its far corners…

Isaiah 41:10 Be not frightened for I am your God,
I strengthen you and I help you.
I uphold you with My victorious right hand.
Shamed and chagrined shall be
All who contend with you;…

Isaiah 41:12 Those who struggle with you
Less than nothing shall be

Isaiah 55:17 No weapon against you
Shall succeed,
And every tongue that contends with you at home
You shall defeat

Isaiah 61:6 …You shall be called "Priests of the Lord,"
And termed "servants of our God."

Isaiah 66:14 You shall see and your heart rejoice,
Your limbs shall flourish as the grass.

Now lets turn to the Dead Sea Scrolls on this important topic about those who elect God Below, the Teacher of Righteousness, the leader of the Qumran Community, is giving his interpretations of various scripture passages regarding these same elect:

4Q215 Prophecy of Naphtali - …they (the elect) will endure the affliction of
Col 2 distress and the ordeal of the pit, and they will be purified by these
things and shall become the elect of righteousness;

11Q13 By the power of Melchizedek, dominion on earth will pass from
DSC Belial (Devil/Caligastia) to the righteous Sons of Light. (DSC A New
Translation, Wise, Abegg & Cook)

This latter group (The Sons of Light) constitutes those who are
predestined to belong to the party of Melchizedek, "the congregation
of the sons of righteousness." (the elect)

4Q160 Thy people shall take refuge…amid the rage of the enemies of
DSC Thy people, Thou shalt verify Thy glory over the land and sea…
And all the peoples of Thy lands shall know that Thou hast created
them…and the multitudes shall understand that this is Thy people…
Thy holy ones whom Thou hast sanctified. (Wise, Abegg & Cook)

4Q174 Interpreted (Psalm 2:1) this saying concerns the Kings of the nations
DSC who shall rage against the elect of Israel in the last days. This shall
be the time of trial to come…so as to perfect…(…represents missing scroll
text) (Wise, Abegg & Cook)

4Q174 A remnant of the people shall be left according to the lot assigned
DSC them, and they shall practice the Whole Law…Moses. (…represents
missing scroll text) Thy people who know God shall be strong.
They are the masters who understand…(Wise, Abegg & Cook)

4Q 243, (In that time) those who are called by name shall be gathered…
244, 245 from among the Gentiles, and it shall be, from that day…the holy
DSC ones…(missing text) (Wise, Abegg & Cook)

The above passages from the Dead Sea Scrolls, describe a group of people who: take refuge from the rage of its enemies, are ultimately glorified by God, are perfected by trials, who practice the "whole law," and are "masters of understanding." Finally, we learn that these people are "called by name" (by God and Melchizedek) and are found among the gentiles in the latter days. These individuals match up with what we already know about the elect from prior descriptions. This group, by many names, is found consistently from among diverse sources of scripture including 1Enoch, Revelation, the Dead Sea Scrolls, Isaiah and Jeremiah among others. In fact, a high percentage of unfulfilled scripture, regarding the end of the age, is about this group and its experiences. Further, we have further scripture interpretation by the Teacher:

4Q171 This (Psalm 37:14-15) refers to the wicked of "Ephraim and
DSC Manasseh," who will try to do away with the Priest and the
members of his party during the time of trial that is coming upon
them. But God will save them from their power and afterward
hand them (wicked) over to the wicked Gentiles for judgment.
(Wise, Abegg & Cook)

4Q171 Interpreted (Psalm 37:16), this is the congregation of His elect who
DSC do His Will. (Dead Sea Scrolls, Vermes)

The reference in the first stanza (4Q171) to "the Priest and members of his party" is to the Messianic final prophet to come and "his party" is the "congregation of the elect." The wicked of "Ephraim and Manasseh" are members of "Lost Israel" (leaders of America and England, discussed later) who try to destroy the congregation of the elect. (Probably because they reveal the truth about these corrupt leaders.)
Further interpretation by the Teacher of Righteousness:

DSC This (Psalm 6:1-4) refers to the Last Days, about (the righteous,
pg. 234 when) Belial (devil) planned to destroy them in his fury, so that
Wise none would remain of…God will not allow Belial…But the Angel of God’s truth
will help keep the Children of Light from the power of Belial. But the righteous are
always beloved, and the Great power of God is with them, (Wise, Abegg, & Cook)
(… represent missing original text)

Why Belial is so angry at this group is not explicit, but is presumably due to the promulgation of truth, which discloses and sets up resistance to Belial’s activities. The divine protection of the elect and righteous, during the messianic period, is described over and over in scripture across many different sources. It has a very high probability of happening. This is similar to the protection afforded the ancient Israelites by "the Lord" as his servant Moses led them out of Egypt. The end is very much like the beginning in sacred history. From Dead Sea Scrolls by Geza Vermes, we continue on the subject of the elect:

4Q381 DSC Man will not be strong and will not rise
Vermes Fr.46 …and Thou hast tested all.
Noncanonical And the elect, like an offering;
Psalms. Thou wilt purify before Thee,
Thanksgiving Light shines and joy bursts forth;
Hymns Morning vanishes and sorrow flees.
Peace is revealed, dread ceases
Iniquity has stopped, plague has ceased
With no more illness
For He humbles the proud spirit with no remnant
And from the dust He lifts up the poor to eternal heights
He raises freely the totterers of the earth,
And His might is with their steps.

4Q267 … He established appointed times of goodwill for those who
Fr. 1 search His commandments and walk in the perfection of way.
And he revealed hidden things to their eyes, and opened their
ears so that they might hear deep (secrets) and understand all
future things before they befall them.

It would appear that God is going to make available to those who elect God, and all who will listen, the events that will happen before they befall them. This is possibly mediated through His servant, the final prophet, who is said to reveal deep secrets and foretell all that will happen to the elect through the interpretation of the Prophets of Old. Further:

4Q4l8 And you, elect of truth
Fr. 69 and pursuers of righteousness and justice
… guardians of all knowledge,
How will you say:
We labour for understanding
And keep awake to pursue knowledge.

Finally, we generalize our search regarding the elect and find:

John Hogue
Millennium Prophecy

I saw the sun-eyed children of a marvelous dawn
…the massive barrier breakers of the world
…the architects of immortality
…bodies made beautiful by the Spirit’s light,
Carrying the magic word, the mystic fire,
Carrying the Dionysian cup of Joy
Sri Aurobindo (l946-47), Saut.

Millennium You will not have to be good, you will find you are good.
Prophecy You will not have to be loving, you will find you are love.
Osho (l987), RBSP

15Q96 To speak the truth they will have closed mouths.

Millennium Those who really desire to understand,
Prophecy Who are looking to find that which is eternal,
Without beginning and without end,
Will walk together in great intensity,
Will be a danger to everything that is unessential,
To unrealities, to shadows.
And they will concentrate, they will become the Flame,
Because they understand.
J. Krishnamurti ( l929)

Millennium One hundred years ago, Madame Blavatsky saw a future where
Prophecy America becomes the cradle of a new human kind. (John Hogue)

Those who "keep awake to pursue knowledge" and "labour for understanding" are "the massive barrier breakers of the world." Like Jesus, they "will have closed mouths to speak the truth" and they will "walk together in great intensity." And so, the Lord preserves his "servants" who are mindful of him and will give them the land to dwell on. What’s more His "chosen ones" are given actual possession of the earth. This means that when the present world leadership is removed that sovereignty will pass to Melchizedek and Melchizedek will give it to "his chosen ones," elsewhere called the elect. The elect are those who understand, elect, and do God’s will. Consider:

Those Who Elect God’s Will

1Enoch 1:1 (This is) The word of the blessing of Enoch, how he blessed the elect and the
righteous who are to exist in the time of trouble;…

1Enoch 1:2 that which will not take place in this generation; but in a generation, which is to
succeed at a distant period, on account of the elect.

Matthew. 24:22 And except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the
elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Isaiah 65 For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy
name: I have surnamed thee, though thou has not known me.

Isaiah 43:1 Fear not, for I will redeem you,
I have singled you out by name,
You are mine.
When you pass through water,
I will be with you;
Through streams,
Thy shall not overwhelm you
When you walk through fire
You shall not be scorched…
Because you are precious to Me
And honored, and I love you.

Isaiah 54:17 No weapon formed against you
Shall succeed…
Such is the lot of the servants of the Lord,
Such their triumph through Me.

From 1Enoch we see that this people who love God, i.e. the "elect," is a group that exists during the trial period, that "distant period" of time referred to by 1Enoch at the end of the age. Also, we notice, that God’s entire plan for salvation during this period is enacted for the sake of those people who love God and live according to His Will; those who elect Him.
Matthew confirms 1Enoch, or derives from 1Enoch, this same sentiment. Isaiah gives clues to the identify of the elect and emphasizes the divine protection and support they will receive in their attempts to stand up to the evils of "those days," through which those people will be further refined and "made white" in the fires of adversity. Further:

1Enoch To the righteous and wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity,
104:10 and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they
shall believe;

104:11 And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous will be
rewarded, who from these (books) shall acquire the knowledge
of every upright path.

104A: 1 In those days, saith the Lord, they (the elect) shall call to the
children of the earth and make them listen to their wisdom.
Show them that you are their leaders…Rejoice, children of
integrity, in the truth.

Rejoice indeed. It would appear that through some remarkable books, a certain group or groups of people will be brought into a whole knowledge of "every upright path." These people become leaders in teaching other people, the "children of the earth," the ways of truth. Perhaps this teaching may relate to other scriptural statements that "before the end (of the age) the gospel of the kingdom of heaven will be proclaimed to all the world." Notice that this gospel is about the kingdom of heaven, the true gospel of Jesus. Now, all we need to do is find those people who have been taught, by books, about this mysterious subject, the kingdom of heaven, and wake them up to their task ahead. Lets turn now to see what the Dead Sea Scrolls have to say about the elect.

DSC Why do the peoples rage and the peoples meditate vanity? Why
4Q174 do the kings of the earth rise up, and the princes take council together
against the Lord and his Messiah’ (Psalms 2:1).

Interpreted, this saying concerns the kings of nations who shall
rage up against the elect of Israel in the last days. (Interpretation by the
Teacher of Righteousness, leader of the Qumran community)

4Q174 ‘But the wicked shall do wickedly and shall not understand,
but the righteous shall purify themselves and make themselves
white (Daniel.12:10)’ ...the people who know God shall be strong.
They are the masters who understand…(Interpretation by Teacher
of Righteousness; dotted lines represent missing original text)

Notice here that the Teacher of Righteousness is interpreting Psalm 2 and Daniel 12:10 in the same vein as we have been. He identifies an elect group, who is standing up against the world and the powers to be ("peoples" and "Kings of the nations" rage). The Teacher of Righteousness also recognizes the unique understanding that these people will possess, they know God in their hearts and understand His Kingdom of Heaven within. Scripture is reinforcing and repeating important information. Information so reinforced, is very likely to be accurate judging from past performances. Also note that the elect are ‘of Israel’ which have previously been identified as Christians, many of whom are living in the Chief of Nations during the latter days. More on the identity of the elect will be presented later in this book.
Now, we return again to Isaiah where the Lord says:

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/

sevens

posted 12-16-2007 01:38 AM

Hey wirelessguru

How is it going bro, hope well.

I think there is something going on.

I dont know man but Ive been reading a commentary on the Dead Sea scrolls with a cross check into Psalms and have been discovering some interesting things. Really interesting for me personally.

There some things between the Psalms and the Dead Sea scrolls that speak of things that I only now and can identify directly to what is described. Only the Father in Heaven would know about this only him in the whole construct.

I tell you this because I think you're the only one around here and the Internet that is lateral enough to understand these things and is willing to converse with me in the sense of perusing things of truth.

I feel there is a higher level of binary that replaces the virus ridden binary we currently have in the current binary in mans soul.

What if rapture does occur where the elect (can be anyone with faith even half hearted) and we went to another place in the abodes of the heavens where you could persue your research into a more integrated binary or a higher level of language and then apply it here when we come back in the rehabilitation stage before the ages of light and life.

What if the opportunity existed for anyone who desires to continue there research in the abodes of the Gods for the future.

Anyway, I think that exists right now, today and from I was reading we must be close as I'm coming onto a different realization.

all the best brother.

Eh bro I wish I did better in Java thats for sure. But this journey over took all of the time and couldn't absorb it. Thats was a pity.

Sevens

posted 12-16-2007 02:07 AM

Eh! Riven

Whats happening Capasa

Where are you!

Lets here some of those stories about you.

Anyway bro, times are coming soon im pretty sure of it. Time to get the research going, we are in for a ride of our lives.

Thanks to Atlantis of course!

It began with you and ends with you.  Remember the other forum when we began our debates.  Eh!

Both of us going for it!  Ahahahah

Sevens

posted 12-16-2007 04:46 AM

I was reading the above Atlantis thread and to me is sounds like Babel/Dilmun in the Northern Persian Gulf all the way.

sevens

Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:48 pm

I thought this was interesting

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/Knowledge-and-Wisdom.htm

Quote:

According to Enoch, the end of the age scenario is explicitly for the spiritual progress of the elect, in order to give them the opportunity for full growth and expression of their maturing faith and wisdom. Only then does it make sense that when "the people of God arise; then all will have rest from warfare." Once the main purpose is achieved (the arising of the people of God) the destructive events are brought to an end through the very efforts of this same people, in partnership with God and Melchizedek.

1Enoch 6:11 Then shall wisdom be given to the elect, all of whom shall live, and
not again transgress by impiety or pride; but shall humble
themselves, possessing prudence, and shall not repeat
transgression.
1Enoch 48:6 In His presence he existed, and has revealed to the saints and to
the righteous by the wisdom of the Lord of spirits; for he has preserved
the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and rejected this
world of iniquity, and have detested all its works and ways, in the
name of the Lord of spirits (Jno. 17:16).
1Enoch 48:7 For in His name shall they be preserved; and His will shall be
their life. In those days shall the kings of the earth and the mighty
men, who have gained the world by the work of their own hands,
become humble in countenance.
1Enoch 48:10 But in the day of their (kings) trouble, rest shall be on earth.

Sevens

and

Quote:

Isaiah 43:1 Fear not, for I will redeem you;
I have singled you out by name,
You are Mine.
When you pass through water,
I will be with you;

Through streams,
They shall not overwhelm you.
When you walk through fire,
You shall not be scorched.

Through flame,
It shall not burn you.

Isaiah 43:4 Because you are precious to Me,
And honored, and I love you,
I give men in exchange for you
And peoples in your stead . . .
Bring My sons from afar,
And My daughters from the end of the earth

and

Quote:

Isaiah 43:9 All the nations assemble as one,
If only you would heed My commands! (remember the quest of the 7 commands?)
Then your prosperity would be like a river,
Your triumph like the waves of the sea.(reference to the sea in metaphor could mean Dalamatia and the other ancient places)

(reference to the sea in metaphor could mean Dalamatia and the other ancient places)

But then again if all the nations heeded to the Lord commands we would have no problems like we do today.

. dabela (mountain goat, large horn) 1Enoch

Doesn't a single horn have a triangle shaped form.

sevens

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/The-Final-Prophet.htm

• This certainly sounds like the world ruling Beast Power often mentioned by prophecy writers and later verses serve to affirm the identity. Then of Habakkuk 2:1-2: --"he who reads it may read it speedily" [as concerning the Teacher of Righteousness to whom God made known all the mysteries of the words of His servants the Prophets]…". There is a delay spoken of in this commentary which apparently involves the "waiting" of the prophet and uncovering of the vision, but there is no indication how far the delay has progressed, except the obvious fact that the delay is over when the Last Prophet becomes public. Certain of the descriptive verses from the Thanksgiving Hymns concerning this Final Prophet (Teacher of Righteousness) are presented along with the numbers of verses they correspond with in the particular Psalms: Scrolls Verses Corresponding Biblical Psalms (Physical circumstances) (Vs Nr.] Until I’m old-until old age 37:25 [Psalms 37:25 states he is old and some Scrolls texts on –age rules for positions suggest he would be between 50-60 years of age] Dim eyesight from waiting 38:10 Lives among woods and waters/fishers and hunters Poor health, pain, chronic loss of strength-heart fails 38:3-8, 40:12 My soul has journeyed to the gates of death- 88:3 God has not placed my support in gain-no fleshly refuge- 40:17 (the Prophet’s opponents) All who have eaten my bread have lifted their heel against me- 41:9 Opponents hate wrongfully and render evil for good- 38:19-20 By their affliction bitterness-sorrow-ignominy 42:5, 43:5 You (God) widened my heart- they narrow my heart with affliction- 39:3

•      Psalm was not speaking of Jesus at all. By part of this verse and His own authority Jesus predicted His betrayal, though even the first "trusted" part could not have applied to Him. We find another instance on one of these Psalms being applied to Jesus in Hebrews 10 beginning in verse 5 (quoting Psalms 40:6-8): "sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me-Then I said ‘here I am-it is written about me in the scroll-I have come to do your will O God-’ (NIV). The portion which reads "a body you have prepared for me" is derived from the Septuagint and this is the text used in Hebrews. However in most Biblical Psalms the Masoretic (Hebrew) is used and it reads, "my ears you have pierced (opened)", which is quoted in the scrolls pertaining to the final Prophet. The verse certainly seems to be speaking of the Prophet and the Scrolls while the slightly different version applied only to Christ. The personal betrayal of the Last Prophet might be connected to the estrangement of friends and loved ones if the betrayal involves a marital dispute. Friends and relatives become very uncomfortable around those involved in serious domestic disputes or divorce. "Eaten my bread" seems to connote those who have lived in his household rather than someone who shared a picnic lunch. There is also a time when the Prophet will be on trial but God will not allow the prophet to be convicted. There is no evidence this betrayal is to the death as it was for Christ. One or several of these identifying clues might well be applied to a wide number of people but as each is added on the odds diminish. With these Dead Sea Scrolls painting a veritable "portrait" of the final Prophet it will be pretty difficult for a phony "Elijah" prophet to impersonate the real one even if the Creator would allow it. (Online Prophet, Bobby Rich)

•      One portion of this portrait of the Final Prophet is taken directly from the Psalms, which were inspired directly by Melchizedek 4000 years ago, at which time he already knew the future history of "Israel." Another portion is taken from the Thanksgiving Hymns written by the Teacher of Righteousness of the Dead Sea Scrolls. A large amount of Old Testament prophecy is concerned with the messianic, end of the age scenario, at a time today, when prophecy is nearly forgotten and largely ignored. Ironically, this ignorance occurs at the very time of its relevance.

•      The physical traits and the education of the Final Prophet are described in the Dead Sea Scrolls and are discussed earlier in this book, in the chapter on Isaiah, near Isaiah 42. One of the major roles of the Dead Sea Scrolls is to convey this hidden information about the Final Prophet over thousands of years of time, until today when the day of its usefulness and relevance comes due. I would now like to offer my own composite sketch of God’s servant, the Final Prophet that is based on a complete analysis of the information contained in the Biblical Psalms, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Prophets. Information from the Thanksgiving Psalms is not included here because it has been covered above and because it is not clear to me whether the Teacher of Righteousness intended his Thanksgiving Hymns as a prophesy of the final prophet to come or was speaking about himself, or both. Separating out this information we have:

• God’s Servant, Final Prophet

Names

. Elijah to come (Malachi 3:23)
. another and Greater John the Baptist (UB)
. interpreter of the Law (DSC)
. the Priest (DSC)
. interpreter of Knowledge (DSC)
. God’s servant (Isaiah)
. dabela (mountain goat, large horn) 1Enoch

Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:25 am

I cant understand that deal at all.

Why would the Israeli government give away the mount being so precious to them, to an aggressive people who are bent on the destruction of Israel and its people.

I must comment on the arrogant people who are supposed to be stewards of the temple.

I believe they are a pack of frauds and imposter's.

I just look at the fruits of that whole movement in all the countries and what they represent...There are no fruits at all except death, destruction and belligerence and yet the rebels are in charge of the temple.

I personally think they have no idea of the truth and real religion. I think there brand is an apostasy to the truth and there fruits are an insult to Paradise and its intent and desire in the main plan.

They show nothing of the truth, beauty and goodness in there actions and I believe they are under the control of Belial, the last rebel.

How you can tell is by the arrogance of this temple group, the wafi. The belligerence that they offer is nothing but the characteristics of the Last rebel. Islamic governments in this world today are hopeless administrators and cant run a country for the life of them because they are not guided by the spirit of truth, beauty and goodness rather perpetuating war, death and destruction.

Because they rely on erroneous interpretations by normal humans full of pride and prejudice that will not come to pass in the way they want. They are in error right from the outset due to the pride and arrogance with adopted scripts they never really understood.

Paradise have there own plans which does not encompass imposition of will, aggression and belligerence.

All belligerence in the coming judgment will be cast out as if never born.

I believe that the forms of Islam that project the characteristics of Belial will be destroyed and its followers.

Islam is in deep hot water with Paradise and those perpetuating the cause of rebellion will loose and be cast out! Also Islam has rejected the pending truth 100% so they will live by there erroneous decisions.

Christianity in its asleep mode will also be rebuked for being asleep and for not responding to the call. They will survive but will not be blessed...all this is in prophecy. I'm speaking of the main churches who speak silly things that are not relevant to the times and do not respond to the message because they want to be blind for fear of loss of influence on the masses and the loss of money and power!.

Also there are no good times up ahead at all, its going to be a time of reckoning and destruction. Get your survival kit going! start planning and be prepared. Im not bloody joking...swallow the pride crap and do it!

The first instance of judgment is a great sound that you have never ever heard of before where the earth trembles.

Then it will be too late to reconsider...to late for all! Judgment is then in progress!

By the way that front man for Al Qaeda, they are finished regarding any Paradise plans. There is no future for that mob of willful killers of innocent people with a firebrand of false religion that will not survive. They are false teachers who influence and teach the young to be militia and suicide bombers! No worth to Paradise in the new world where the current leaders of that religion are fully responsible and will be judged accordingly.

They are seriously evil people and all the teachers of this firebrand religion hold no favour with Paradise they are all expelled as if they were never born and never will they leave a legacy in the future world to come guided by Melchizedek and Jesus.

I have represented the ancient places to Islam for the second time and they have rejected it. The person responsible for that will be individually taking full responsibility for his informed decision in slapping and insulting Paradise in the face at this most crucial period of time!

This is how strict and tough Paradise will be in the end times. The Nodite gene propensity will sorted out and disposed of forever. Jesus is our only chance, this is absolutely no other way except through Jesus and Melchizedek. Then when the Father commits to judgment the only chance he will give is to the Christian body even though it will be rebuked, it will survive but not in the form we are familiar with today. Other than that there will be no other gestures of passing through this almighty judgment.

Its you're either in or out, no compromises! Your heart and motive will be searched.

Use you're current wealth for your survival plan! Investments and all that stuff will not be realized in the scheme of things, Remember the Babylon system will be destroyed which by the way was mans own doing through his material selfishness. For me personally I have nothing I am a skinned duck as all my resources have gone into this research also I'm banking on rapture, The Fathers preservation plan for the elect!  Yes, I am expecting rapture as rapture is related to the revealing of things and the individual who reveals these things .  I would expect this would apply to other individuals of the same heart! all makes sense and is logical in the words of prophecy.

The elect will come back to embrace the remnant and then both together they rehabilitate the planet before the ages of light and life, the Seventh Epochal revelation! in another 1000 years when we get our first translation temple built by the Father himself for us.

This I believe this is the plan.

The Elect will be the leaders in the new world of Jesus and Melchizedek and will see this whole Paradise plan through from the beginning and end. The Elect will be involved for at least one thousand years in the rehabilitation and will be supping of the tree of life. However with the remnant I think they live a normal human life from birth to death. The Elects genes will be modified to receive the benefits of the tree of life and will be immortal, that's how physically the meek (the elect) inherit the earth.

Also I feel the elect will have wife's from the Adamic progeny that chose to leave the planet post Adamic default and that will return with the elect (Enoch) and produce large families who names will live forever in the annals of the new world. I believe that the wife's of the elect we be meet in Heaven after the rapture and does include husbands for the female elect to. No worries about that!

My intention is to be reveal on the run, be raptured and then come back for a 1000 years have a big family and help out the planet and then see the new Epoch of life and light in a thousand years and see temple descend, carry on a little more and then continue my universal adventure! through translation in the new temple! Not through death in the normal sense, also the temple gives man the ability to overcome death in the normal sense with translation as an alternative!

Sevens

Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:48 am

I was thinking why China is not in prophecy is because the event will take place in the early stages of their ascension.

It seems to me it will happen sooner than later. In essence the country China in the timeline will be irrelevant to the end times and have nothing to contribute because of the dictatorship in essence that rules the country notwithstanding all the people that have free opinions who are locked up because of freedom of speech.

Another evil empire on the loose who are useless in the scheme of things.

Google and Yahoo are in with them, another hypocrisy companies, all for the sake of commerce they sell there souls to the evil empire. Those scam companies and the individuals that made their decisions against the ideals of Paradise in the way of free speech will no way survive the ordeal, they are children of Belial in real truth and don't give a crapper for you or your freedoms, they have demonstrated that already with the individuals jailed and no doubt murdered by the Chinese government for the sake of business ...Cowards! of the highest degree and Paradise remembers their actions and will hold them accountable for that evil not to mention the current Chinese government. They do nothing for the average person.

It wont be useless mean nothing slap on the wrists by the Government, they will be held accountable in the fullest degree in light of the universal law of the Father, not this compromised corrupt government in the lets make a deal crap! wink wink!

Also in the UB it speaks of the mainland of China being on precipice. It may slide in the water during earth changes, there maybe lots of life lost if the Chinese tectonic plate fall's in the Ocean.

Not worth really mentioning because no one will give a hoot and no one is going to warn the good people over there and government is so dumbed down and stupid in there new found materialism they wouldn't know what's happening to save themselves let alone the people.

The government in China will all run to the hills to save there corrupt asses! But there will be nowhere to go.

Actually all the governments are on borrowed time and there time for judgment is coming very soon, they will all go and be displaced. There end for them is coming soon and they will not survive.

When the elect are all taken, the goodness will be taken of the planet then man and Belial will be together like the buddies that are, to meet there final demise of personality annihilation. Except of course the remnant who have to plan NOW for survival because it will be very though and the brotherhood of Jesus and the Fatherhood of the Father is the only thing that keep the true remnant together and safe.

Sevens

Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:04 am

This could very well relate to the very first places of the first and second temple, Dalamatia City and 1stEden particularly.

Quote:

Psalm 102:14 You will surely arise and take pity on Zion,
For it is time to be gracious to her;
The appointed time has come.
For the Lord has built Zion;
He has appeared in all His glory.

Zion I feel could be directly related to the first and ancient places where the first and second default happened and where the Father has unfinished business.

"Has appeared" seems to speak of the past in ancient times. "The anointed time" could be when Zion is revealed and is perhaps related to the 1st and 2nd temples that the Lord built through his direct Sons of God when they were loyal which includes direction from the Ex planetary prince. This does include 1st Eden through loyal Van and Amadon too.

Maybe we are in the appointed time and are advised to be gracious to her which may point again to the journey to the ancient places. I also believe this path back to our origins and the unveiling of the ancient first places of the Sons of God will lead to the full glory of the Lord! In effect these places would be more Zion in my view because they are the temples! of the ancient times as Isaiah speaks of, the whole planetary history and where the unfinished business began.

and this one

Quote:

Malachi 3:1 Behold…the Lord whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to
(KJV)
his temple,
even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye
delight in:
behold he shall come.

In my mind the above directly relates to the current journey to the 1st and 2nd temples. I believe it is a direct match and Behold he will come.

I believe this is the confirmation beforehand confirmed in scripture.

I was also thinking that rapture would be the great sign of Jesus and is of Jesus.

When his disciples what is the great sign. Jesus simply pointed to himself! and that will be true in the final summation of this journey as the Son of Man is the head priest and creator of all the ancient places.

Sevens

Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:40 am

Of course, God Himself is the ultimate source of all true prophecy. He tells us:

Quote:

Isaiah 48:2
I am He—I am the First,
And I am the Last as well.
My own hand founded the earth,
My right hand spread out the skies.
Isaiah 48:16 From the beginning, I did not speak in secret; . . .
Isaiah 48:3 Long ago, I foretold things that happened,
From My mouth they issued, and I announced them;
Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass . . .

UB 1087
Institutional religion cannot afford inspiration and provide leadership in this impending, worldwide social reconstruction and economic reorganization because it has unfortunately become more or less of an organic part of the social order and the economic system, which is destined to undergo reconstruction. (Doesn’t reconstruction imply deconstruction first?)

UB 1088
The religion of living experience finds no difficulty in keeping ahead of all these social developments and economic upheavals, amid which it ever functions as a moral stabilizer, social guide and spiritual pilot.

UB 2087
The spiritual renaissance must await the coming of these new teachers of Jesus’ religion who will be exclusively devoted to the spiritual regeneration of men. And then will these spirit-born souls quickly supply the leadership and inspiration requisite for the social, moral, economic and political reorganization of the world. Exactly what I saying in a previous post and then finding the above UB fragment.

Isaiah 56:7
I will bring them to My sacred mount
And let them rejoice in My house of prayer,
"For My house shall be called
A house of prayer for all peoples."
Thus says the Lord God,
Who gathers the dispersed of Israel:
"I will gather still more to those already gathered."

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/Inspiration.htm

Sevens

posted 12-18-2007 06:37 AM

Any images or scientific data besides a description?

Or is there something I can see on worldwind software in the area. Also if the sea was lowered 120m what would we find??

Of any images Ive seen so far all I see are old sea anchors and thats it.

I personally think all these accounts are just rehashed stories and have little credibility.

The Civilization I can see in the images are part of the latter stone age period whose people built circular temples to worship the Moon or Sun depending on the area and there belief.

Thats all Georgous is finding. It has nothing to with Atlantis the city built by the Gods. Atlantis goes back thousands upon thousands of years.

Atlantis essential has nothing to do with the 1350BC mark or there abouts.

Although this image is good

http://atlantis.religionstatistics.net/alyan1.jpg

but it doesn't mean it was Atlantis for all we know it could be part of the old Andite civilization on the move as we now they were 2,500 years ago and of whom the Atlantis legend came from.

sevens

posted 12-18-2007 04:28 PM

Hi Bluehue

I been reading your research on Aden, I think its interesting.

Recently I have looking at the heads of the Persian Gulf to see if I could find clues to Dilmun to the East that should be located near to the Head of the Persian Gulf near Dalamatia when it was destroyed.

Here is what I came up with

Also Archaeologists in Iran have been uncovering very old ancient artifacts that seem to resemble the long ago reflections of the lost original city of the Sons of God.

Jiroft is a good example of pre Sumerian Civilisation that is reflective of the progeny of the fallen Sons of God known as the Nodites and later the Andites. Jiroft goes back to 9000BC of which its peculiar artifacts found are mentioned in the UB and also through scientific inquiry.

I'm thinking if there is a very old city of Dilmun to the East it may lay near those headwaters somewhere which is not far from the original cultural center of Dalamatia.

I'm also thinking that the civilization of the Ad or the Andites who evolved from the consummation of the Nodites and the Sons of Adam became the Andites of long ago. The Andites traveled all over the world as they lost there homes to due to flooding and spread there ideas of knowledge which we can be seen in design and construction methods all over the world including the Inca civilization.

I'm thinking about Aden and I'm wondering if its origins stem from ultimately the Andites or even the Dilmun to the East Nodites. Where Aden contains many myths and legends of this lost city of Dilmun to the East close by to the Persian Gulf Heads in there pre Islamic period.

Its a thought but from what I can see is that your research seems to take me closer to Dilmun of the East. I believe that the origins of civilization stemmed from the Persian Gulf which included Aden.

To me Aden has a distant reflection to the Ad and of the Andites including there culture and design genius.

I dont believe that the city of the Gods existed of Spain or anywhere near there. I think it is a great fallacy and is untrue as I feel the artifacts reflect a more latter stone age civilization that worshiped the Moon and Sun in different areas, Stonehenge is a good example where I feel the religion of the circle so to speak was also existent in Spain in that time to. and we are taking about 4000BC years ago. Where Jiroft predates all that by many more thousands of years, clearly a East to West migration of knowledge and civilization.

However the great first City from what I can read and see goes back up to 500,000 years ago to 150,000 years ago when it was destroyed due to submergence and a tidal wave.

Here is a link to the great city where from now one one must travel through the Seven Gates or Paths to get to the city.

../persian_gulf/index.htm

As I was was contemplating the site, it came to me to construct the site with Seven Gates and paths and branches leading to the city. In the same type as 1stEden of Cyprus was protected by the 12 gates which led to the 1stEden proper in the land of 1stEden currently submerged of Cyprus in the Mediterranean..

As I was constructing the Gates and paths I came across this fragment and immediately notice this references to the Seven Paths.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/essene_eden.htm

quote:

FROM THE ESSENE BOOK OF JESUS

THE SEVENFOLD PEACE
And seeing the multitudes, Jesus went up into a mountain, and his disciples came unto him, and all those who hungered for his words. And seeing them gathered, he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

"Peace I bring to thee, my children,
The Sevenfold Peace
Of the Earthly Mother
And the Heavenly Father.
Peace I bring to thy body,
Guided by the Angel of Power; Peace I bring to thy heart,
Guided by the Angel of Love; Peace I bring to thy mind,
Guided by the Angel of Wisdom. Through the Angels of
Power, Love and Wisdom,
Thou shalt travel the Seven Paths Job 38 "paths"
Of the Infinite Garden,
And thy body, thy heart and thy mind
Shall join in Oneness
In the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace

• To me the construction the Gates and Paths with its branches is a fulfillment of the above excerpt which has real meaning and understanding for me in this journey.

and another confirming fragment in Jesus' words.

Yea, I tell thee truly,
The paths are seven
Through the Infinite Garden,
And each must be traversed
By the body, the heart and the mind As one
Lest thou stumble
Into the abyss of emptiness.
For as a bird cannot fly with one wing,
So doth thy Bird of Wisdom
Need two wings of Power and Love
To soar above the abyss
To the Holy Tree of Life.

• Just reflecting in the above is outstanding!

In making the gates and paths of Dalamatia City, rebuilding the City of truth with its branches and then to run across these fragments whilst in construction of the gates was an incredible spiritual experience.  The journey to the ancient places  has all the elements depicted in the fragments..

For example Insert 31st October.  In the following is an early interpretation about expeditions.  The following in term of the journey since then could be about Evacuation to infinite garden being space and its paths is Sevens.  The message comes from the Abyss and leads to Space and its associated with the tree of life which infers immortality of those who qualify. Its called the "the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace"  Its a flight to a safe place off planet and its means evacuation of the elect, righteousness and the faithful to the Sovereign.

The Sevenfold Peace which in essence this operation is a Sevenfold operation
The paths are seven reflective of the Seven gates and paths to the city of truth which was built by the Sons of God, the infinite Garden where the tree of life was kept where it provided immortality to the Gods.
Through the Infinite Garden,
Passing through the Gates, through the Garden to the City and also reflective of the drive and discovery of Dalamatia City and Garden of the Gods encapsulating 1stEden and Dalamatia City both temples of the Gods in there respective Epochal period.
Shall join in Oneness
In the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace

The journey is about the conjunction of all the scriptures and information in each other religion that point to a single point like in the ancient cities. This conjunction forms a oneness and closeness to the Father of creation or the Gods if you like.
To soar above the abyss
To the Holy Tree of Life.

All the information of passing through the examination is encapsulated in the journey and oneness of the scripts as focalised on the ancient places. The knowledge and living of the love one another Jesus message is the information of success as presented in his words through the Essenes.

The personal success of passing through the abyss leads to the tree of life and immortality, it could be a message to the elect.
In the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace This is all reflective of the past expeditions to 1st Eden and the potential expedition to Dalamatia City in the Persian Gulf, its truly a flight to the sea of peace or trip on the boat of a great discovery that could change the face of the planet towards peace with an expansion of religion, wider and deeper! This is the testimony or the Ark of the testament.

Also note

quote:

Thou shalt travel the Seven Paths
Of the Infinite Garden,
and
The paths are seven
Through the Infinite Garden,

The Paths are Seven, Traveling through Seven Paths of the infinite garden and through the infinite garden. The paths are Seven built Sevens.

You know this could be the great confirmation of the paths that will lead to success as we go through the abyss, like the examination attached to the discovery and journey.

Sorry for the diversion but the thread of thought led that way!

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:05 am

and the gates also confirmed in

Quote:

Isaiah 62:10

Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up an ensign for the peoples.

Go through the gates, the way of the off the people(All People)Lay an expedition there and a physical pathway to the City of truth! And fly flag of Paradise as being the beacon of the walls of Salvation. I believe this scripture is fulfilled to by the construction of the Seven Gates to the City of first civilization and of the Sons of God built by them.

This is where the unfinished business lays and passing through the gates of the prophets of truth and living by the truth will lead to success as we pass through the abyss of judgment. I believe this is the physical sign prepared by the Most High and it serves no prejudice towards any religion. I would say this is access for all no matter who, I believe this construct is designed to filter all no matter whether he is a Christian or even a unbeliever. The research and all the documented truth can be utilized by all in there own home in there own privacy as this is between the individual and the Father in the Heaven, a personal thing.

Also the gathering of the stones to me is a direct reference to the quest of the Seven commands, the Seven commands lay in the waters and could be in this city, The confirmation of the City and discovery of the Seven commands would provide the confirmation of the Ensign of Paradise and a clear sign to the people.

So lets do what Isaiah and the Lord in heaven is telling us lets go through the gates and go out there and gather the seven commands inscribed on Stone Slabs and make universal history that will be recorded in the annals of Paradise forever and ever and it will be known.

In the images, I believe are the stone slabs that contain the Seven commands somewhere.

They are huge stone slabs and I feel the inscriptions must be huge, hopefully! or maybe the stone slabs are similar to the stone slabs in the abodes of our kind in the System Capitals where the stone slabs there contain a record of our history since we became sentient.

Similar to Dalamatia. Maybe these stones slabs contained a record of the history of Dalamatia for the whole time of its existence including the record of the rebellion and the inscriptions of the Seven commands.

We know through the UB the Dalamatia alphabet contained 24 characters and was similar to the Aryan language. That's the only clue, this first writing system was lost to the world.

Maybe there is so much there that you could never imagine. What maybe found there may very well be a real shock to the world, there could be a real cache of knowledge there that's pre150,000 years ago and has a record of the history of the whole city and its people before the first default!

However the Library of Fad was destroyed and there still could be fragments locked in the silt from the result of the tidal wave that destroyed the library. So many artifacts could lay under the silt of these places

We have to go there its of Planetary concern for the truth!

Just imagine that!

Sevens

Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:27 am

And this is the admonition by the Lord

Pearl Fifteen, St Ephriam Syriac priest 300AD,

1. Your garments glisten, my brethren, as snow;-and fair is your shining in the likeness of Angels!
2. In the likeness of Angels, ye have come up, beloved,-from Jordan's river, in the armour of the Holy Ghost.
3. The bridal chamber that fails not, my brethren, ye have received:-and the glory of Adam's house to-day ye have put on.
4. The judgment that came of the fruit, was Adam's condemnation:-but for you victory, has arisen this day.
5. Your vesture is shining, and goodly your crowns:-which the Firstborn has bound for you, by the priest's hand this day.
7. The armour of victory, ye put on, my beloved:-in the hour when the priest, invoked the Holy Ghost.

8. The Angels rejoice, men here below exult:-in your feast, my brethren, wherein is no foulness.
9. The good things of Heaven, my brethren, ye have received:-beware of the Evil One, lest he despoil you.
10. The day when He dawned, the Heavenly King:-opens for you His door, and bids you enter Eden.
11. Crowns that fade not away, are set on your heads:-hymns of praise hourly, let your mouths sing.
12. Adam by means of the fruit, God cast forth in sorrow:-but you He makes glad, in the bride-chamber of joy.
13. Who would not rejoice, in your bridechamber, my brethren?-for the Father with His Son, and the Spirit rejoice in you.
14. Unto you shall the Father, be a wall of strength:-and the Son a Redeemer, and the Spirit a guard.
15. Martyrs by their blood, glorify their crowns:-but you our Redeemer, by His Blood glorifies.
16. Watchers and Angels, joy over the repentant:-they shall joy over you my brethren, that unto them ye are made like.
17. The fruit which Adam, tasted not in Paradise:-this day in your mouths, has been placed with joy.
18. Our Redeemer figured, His Body by the tree:-whereof Adam tasted not, because he had sinned.
19. The Evil One made war, and subdued Adam's house:-through your baptism, my brethren, lo! he is subdued this day.
20. Great is the victory, but to-day you have won:-if so be ye neglect not, you shall not perish, my brethren.
21. Glory to them that are robed, glory to Adam's house!-in the birth that is from the water, let them rejoice and be blessed!
22. Praise to Him Who has robed, His Churches in glory!-glory to Him Who has magnified, the race of Adam's house.

What a blessing St Ephraim is, right on yea! What a beautiful priest and a good man!

10. The day when He dawned, the Heavenly King:-
opens for you His door,
and
bids you enter Eden.

This a complete reflection and confirmation of the message of this journey and points directly to the ancient places including 1stEden.

the Essene Papaers

Sevens

posted 12-18-2007 08:30 PM

quote:

Hi Julia

All the information of the Andites can be found here

Andite Information

Ive been attempting to follow the traces they left behind in the research and Ive been very happy.

Sevens

Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:40 am

Wisdom of Jesus

Quote:

12 and so was Jeshua the son of Jozadak; in their days they built the house and raised a temple holy to the Lord,
prepared for everlasting glory.
13 The memory of Nehemiah also is lasting; he raised for
us the walls that had fallen, and set up the gates and bars and rebuilt our ruined houses.
(excatly)
14 No one like Enoch has been created on earth, for he was taken up from the earth.
15 And no man like Joseph has been born, and his bones are cared for.
16 Shem and Seth were honored among men, and Adam above every living being in the creation.

Another reflection and in Metaphor of the setting up of the Seven Gates and restoration of the first temple in Dalamatia City.

and this from Isaiah

Quote:

The Commission to Cyrus
45
Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings,
to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else
.

Just Beautiful
Sevens

Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:13 am

And since we are speaking about gates.

Look at this fragment in Enoch regarding the Gates

Quote:

Of how Enoch saw the key -holders and guards of the gates of hell standing.

42 1 And I saw the guardians of the keys of hell standing over against the gates like great serpents, their faces like lamps that are gone out, their eyes like darkened flames, and their teeth naked down to their breasts.

2 And I spake to their faces:
'I had better not have seen you, and may none of my tribe come to you.' Enoch's ascent into the paradise of the righteous.

3 And I saw there a blessed place, and all blessed creatures and all there living in joy and in infinite happiness in eternal life,
6 Then I spake: 'My children, and now I speak to you: Blessed is he who fears God and serves him. And you, my children, learn to bring gifts
7 to the Lord, that you may enjoy life. Blessed is 9 he who judges a judgement justly to the widow and orphan, and helps every one that is wronged,
8 clothing the naked with garments, and to the hungry giving bread.
10 Blessed is he who turns back from the changeable path and walks along the straight path. 11 Blessed is he who sows the seeds of righteousness, for he shall reap sevenfold.
12 Blessed is he in whom is truth, that he may speak truth to his neighbour.
13 Blessed is he in whose mouth is mercy and gentleness.
14 Blessed is he who understands the Lord's works and glorifies the Lord God and I saw all the Lord's works, how they are right, while the works of man are some good, and others bad, and in their works are known those who lie evilly.

Sevens

Hear ye now of he who is liberated,
freed from the bondage of life into Light.
Knowing the source of all worlds shall be open.
Aye, even the Gates of Arulu shall not be barred.
Yet heed, O man, who would'st enter heaven.
If ye be not worthy,
better it be to fall into the fire.
Know ye the celestials pass through the pure flame.
At every revolution of the heavens,
they bathe in the fountains of Light.

sevens

Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:54 am

Quote:

"As the Abysses boil above the foundations of the waters, their towering waves and billows shall rage with the voice of their roaring; and as they rage, Sheol and Abaddon shall open and all the flying arrows of the Pit shall send out their voice to the Abyss.

And the gates of Sheol shall open on all the works of vanity and the doors of the Pit shall close on the conceivers of wickedness.....
The torrents of Belial shall break into Abaddon, and the deeps of the Abyss shall groan amid the roar of the heaving mud.... The heavenly hosts shall cry out and the world's foundations shall swagger and sway....

The deeps resound to my groaning and my soul has journeyed to the gates of death. (1QH 11:16-19, 32-35)

and a piece out of the Quran in relation to the Seven gates.

SHAKIR: It has seven gates; for every gate there shall be a separate party of them.

SHAKIR: Surely those who guard (against evil) shall be in the midst of gardens and fountains:

YUSUFALI: (Their greeting will be): "Enter ye here in peace and security."

and another piece in Metaphor to this time and the opening of the Seven Gates and paths to Dalamatia City

Book of Jubilees.

Quote:

24 And the Lord opened seven flood-gates of heaven,
And the mouths of the fountains of the great deep, seven mouths in number.
25 And the flood-gates began to pour down water from the heaven forty days and forty nights,

And the fountains of the deep also sent up waters, until the whole world was full of water.
26 And the waters increased upon the earth: Fifteen cubits did the waters rise above all the high mountains, And the ark was lift up above the earth,
And it moved upon the face of the waters.

The Seven gates, the entry to Dalamatia City.

and

St Ehpraim Pearl 3

Quote:

This is the month which brings all manner of joy; it is the freedom of the bondsmen, the pride of the free, the crown of the gates, the soothing of the body, that also in its love put purple upon us as upon kings.

This is the month that brings all manner of victories;
it frees the spirit; it subdues the body; it brings forth life among mortals; it caused, in its love, Godhead, to dwell in Manhood.

../persian_gulf/index.htm

sevens